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Template:Infobox Indian TV actor

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Indian TV actor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Articles about Indian actors can just use Template:Infobox person. eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:HanSurname

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:HanSurname (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We already have Template:Infobox surname. eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@70.24.250.235: Which doesn't alter the fact that it's surplus to requirements. ► Philg88 ◄ ♦talk 07:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is being used as a replacement, see Liang (surname).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:34, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox European football

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The result of the discussion was merged (NAC) Frietjes (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox European football (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox African football (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox European football with Template:Infobox African football.
Rather than creating a new infobox for each continent, it would be better to add the extra fields to the existing template, and rename it Template:Infobox international football awards or something like that. eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Con Safos Jalapeño

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:31, 7 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Con Safos Jalapeño (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

the image is used a bit, but this template seems to be unused. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Memphis Redbirds roster navbox

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Memphis Redbirds roster navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Minor league rosters change too often for this to be of any use and it has not been updated with anything close to regularity so the information is often out of date or inaccurate. Spanneraol (talk) 22:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:El Paso Chihuahuas roster navbox

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:El Paso Chihuahuas roster navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Minor league rosters change way too often for this to be of any real use and it does not seem to be updated regularly so the information is not accurate or useful in any way. Spanneraol (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did open a discussion on these on the project page.Spanneraol (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Rosters changing frequently isn't a viable reason to remove templates, in my opinion. There's really not THAT many more transactions in the Triple-A leagues on a daily basis than in MLB. Alex (talk) 03:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Most players have articles of their own. The template serves well for navigation within them, and it's easy enough to maintain. Seems useful enough to me. --CrunchySkies (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox valley

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The result of the discussion was do not merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:53, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox valley (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (142 transclusions)
Template:Infobox landform (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (47 transclusions)

Propose merging Template:Infobox valley with Template:Infobox landform.
A valley is a type of landform. {{Infobox landform}} already looks like a subset of the valley template; merge at the former name but keep 'valley as a redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox forest

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The result of the discussion was Keep DavidLeighEllis (talk) 04:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Template:Infobox forest (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 79 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox park}} (2320 transclusions; already used for nature reserves and similar), to which any necessary parameters should be added. This name should then be kept as a redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox rockclimbing crag

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox rockclimbing crag (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Three transclusions)
Template:Infobox climbing area (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Thirteen transclusions)

Propose merging Template:Infobox rockclimbing crag with Template:Infobox climbing area.
Similar subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox French canal

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The result of the discussion was merged (NAC) Frietjes (talk) 18:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox French canal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox canal}}, into which any required parameters should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Largest cities of Norway

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The result of the discussion was reorganize as suggested by Kjello. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:41, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Largest cities of Norway (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Most populous urban areas of Norway (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Largest cities of Norway with Template:Most populous urban areas of Norway.
These templates seem to be mostly redundant. Also, the statistics don't seem to match up but I believe editors more familiar with them can help clarify this issue. Waldir talk 19:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The two templates claim to measure two separate things: urban areas (tettsted) and metropolitan areas (storbyområde). This explains the difference in populations. {{Largest cities of Norway}} is not a navbox, but is intended to be content in the article Norway. {{Most populous urban areas of Norway}} is a navbox, so a merger should be out of the question. On the other hand, the way the navbox is structured is highly problematic. Although it uses figures for metropolitan areas, all the links are to cities proper/municipality articles. This is misleading. I notice that is also a new (per January 2014) navbox. What has traditionally been used is {{42 most populous cities of Norway}}, which sticks to urban areas. I propose keeping {{Largest cities of Norway}} and deleting {{Most populous urban areas of Norway}}. Arsenikk (talk) 07:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Taking another look at this template, it seems to be all false information. For instance, if Oslo's metropolitan population is set to 1.5 million (which it can according to certain definitions), that would include areas such as Drammen, Sandvika and Ski (which have their own entry). Similarly, if Bergen's metropolitan population is set for 400k, it would include Askøy. The same could be said about Stavanger and Sandnes. Arsenikk (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info. A couple notes:
  1. You say "{{Largest cities of Norway}} is not a navbox, but is intended to be content in the article Norway". That should probably be documented in the template. Is that the case with the analogous templates for other countries? If so, the category should have that note too, and the master template as well.
  2. Both {{Most populous urban areas of Norway}} and {{42 most populous cities of Norway}} use {{Navbox with columns}}, which makes it easier to select the list, compared to the largest cities template. Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, it would be nice to have the nicer html structure in the "largest cities" template. Possibly it would be worth refactoring {{Largest cities}} itself for this.
  3. It's hard to find {{42 most populous cities of Norway}} from it's name (low discoverability) and it's unclear, from the title alone, how it's different from {{Largest cities of Norway}}, except in the number of cities. Shouldn't it be renamed?
Waldir talk 21:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of thoughts from a Norwegian very interested in population statistics.

{{Most populous urban areas of Norway}} is a complete mess. The title claims to list metropolitan regions. But the numbers are a mixture of urban area numbers, and metropolitan region numbers. A metropolitan region one should be created, but then named {{Largest metropolitan regions of Norway}}. Actually the whole metropolitan regions article need to be updated. The term byregioner hasn't been used by the government since Storbymeldingen back in 2003. After this the term used has been "bo- og arbeidsmarkedsregioner". Which translates to "common living and working region". The latest update I could find from 2013, divides all of Norways 428 municipalities in 160 different regions. Many of them only including one municipality. These regions are then divided in five categories. A:Big city regions, B:Regions with medium size cities, C:Small town regions, D:District centers regions, E:Regions with small or no centre. Category A and B sums up to 20 regions. While adding category C sums up to 51 regions.

As Arsenikk says, the {{Largest cities of Norway}} is only used in the Norway article as content. However, though it claims to list cities, it actually lists urban areas. The term city is equivalent to by in Norwegian. In Norway you have something called bystatus. Or city status. In the old days the king decided which towns were allowed to trade, and to what degree. Because of this, not all urban areas are cities. For instance is Askøy the 25 largest urban area. But don't have a city status.

Statistics Norway now only release numbers for municipalities, and urban areas. But not cities. Because of this, there is great confusion on what is the population of Norwegian cities. When referring to the population of a Norwegian city, most would use the population of the respective municipality. The problem with this is that some municipalities actually have several cities. The other problem with this, is that this would include vast areas of rural land. Which by most people wouldn't be defined as part of the city. Because of this, others would use the number for the respective urban area when referring to the population of a city. The problem with this then, is that some cities have grown together. For instance the urban area of Porsgrunn/Skien includes five different cities. A third possibility, which in my opinion is the most correct one. Is to use the population number of the urban area, that's within that respective municipality. If we take Oslo as an example. Oslo municipality had 613,285 per January 2012. While Oslo urban area had 925,242 inhabitants per January 2012. Of this 607,690 lived within the municipality of Oslo. Which then would be the population of the city Oslo.

The population of the city Trondheim, would then be listed as 167,598. Which is the same as Trondheim urban area. While the population for the city Stavanger would be listed as 124.960. Which represent the population of the urban area Stavanger/Sandnes, that lives within the municipality borders of Stavanger municipality.

There should in my opinion exist four different templates.

  1. One listing the largest municipalities of Norway. {{25 largest municipalities of Norway}} serves this purpose. But the numbers are outdated (2008). And the template is only included in 5 articles. It should be included in all 25.
  2. One listing the largest urban areas of Norway. {{42 most populous cities of Norway}} lists all urban areas with a population greater than 10,000. But as Waldir asks, it should be renamed as it currently lists 48. And it have to be added to all the articles it includes. One could also ask whether it need to list all over 10,000. The similar templates for Sweden and Denmark lists only the top 30.
  3. One either listing all 102 official cities of Norway. Not including any kind of population number. Listing them either alphabetically or geographically. Or a template listing the largest cities, mainly using urban area numbers. But within the respective municipality should the urban area cross municipality borders as mentioned above.
  4. One listing the largest bo- og arbeidsmarkedsregioner. Which can be translated to metropolitan regions.

When it comes to these two templates. {{Largest cities of Norway}} is used as content in the Norway article. And should mainly stay as it is. It should however either be changed so it specify that it lists urban areas, and not cities. Or actually list population of cities using my definition of population numbers in cities. Even though they're not official in any kind. While {{Most populous urban areas of Norway}} should be moved to {{Largest metropolitan regions of Norway}}. And then be cleaned up so it includes the top 20 bo- og arbeidsmarkedsregioner. Read category A and B.

Kjello (talk) 21:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kjello makes some good points and I would support his proposal on how to organize the templates. Arsenikk (talk) 09:18, 12 April 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I also support Kjello's proposal. Additionally, any of the two options for the {{Largest cities of Norway}} template seem reasonable, as long as both the template name, its documentation and its contents make it clear what data is being presented; I'll let the editors more versed on Norway topics make that decision. --Waldir talk 16:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I always cringe when someone tries to quantify Norwegian cities. The lack of a formal definition, or at least one that has any connection to the average person's concept of a city, makes it very difficult to find sources. Some claims of being a city also seem unlawful to me. The names of the four largest cities are probably uncontroversial, but not their populations. Basing something on our own custom definitions might cause a neverending battle with other editors who update the numbers (in good faith, but without reading any guidelines) according their own definitions. List of towns and cities in Norway suffers from this, but I have long since given up on trying to maintain coherence there. Going for metropolitan areas seems like a safer bet to me, but that should be reflected in the name. Ters (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Continental Baseball League

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:23, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Continental Baseball League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I just nominated the main article in the template for a prod deletion, teams aren't notable Secret account 19:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox orchestra concert

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox orchestra concert (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox concert (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only five transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox concert}}, into which any required parameters should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Metal Gear character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Metal Gear character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only eleven transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Fluss1

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The result of the discussion was keep as a substitutable template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:43, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The result of the discussion was Keep DavidLeighEllis (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Template:Infobox Fluss1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template coded in German. Redundant to {{Infobox river}}, into which any better or additional features should be merged. If kept, that should only be on the basis of it being a Shimming template, which must be "subst:" (probably by bot) whenever it is used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Sonic character

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Sonic character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only sixteen transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox pulps character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox pulps character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only ten transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Toho character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Toho character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only two transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox StarCraft character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox StarCraft character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only four transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Space:1999 character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Space:1999 character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only eleven transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox domestic cricket season

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Template:Infobox domestic cricket season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only twelve transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox cricket season}} (Transclusion count: 31) of {{Infobox cricket club season}} (Transclusion count: 136). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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