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I need a peer review

I need a peer review of my article, its biographical and I'm trying to so the proper maintenance and changes it needs to have the "maintenance needed" box removed from the top of the page. Ive been told I can't remove it myself unless all issues have been fixed but some issues I'm not aware of and need help. Anyone available for a peer review or who thinks they can help me get this article into top shape, please respond. I could really use the help.

Zack198Zack198 (talk) 22:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Zack198, and welcome to the Teahouse. I presume this is about the article Skaz One. Let me ping the user who added the tag, maybe they can explain (as it is not entirely clear to me either what the problem is): @RA0808: – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

thank you, i appreciate it. Zack198 (talk) 23:03, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Finnusertop and Zack198: I tagged the article as a potential autobiography because of the creators username being close to the artist's real name (Zachary McDonnell Casciato = Zack; 1988 = 198). If the editor in question clarifies whether or not they are, in fact, the subject of the article (which would also be a COI disclosure) then I would be satisfied to remove the autobio tag. It's worth noting that an unrelated editor has just listed the page at AFD now RA0808 ^talk _contribs 00:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

yeah someone just put it up for deletionZack198 (talk) 00:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

i'll try and add more sources, i know the page is already linked to another approved page, so can't do much more than that.Zack198 (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Zack198. I'm not sure what you mean by "the page is alreday linked to another approved page", but I doubt that it has any relevance to establishing notability. As far as I can see, the article at present has not one single citation to a substantial, reliably published, independent source. Please understand that Wikipedia has no interest in what the subject of an article says about themselves (whether on their own website, or in an interview or press relese), and no interest, in most cases, on what anybody says about them in a blog. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have had published in reliable sources (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers). The only reference currently there which even might go towards establishing Skaz One as notable (in Wikipedia's sense) is the review from Indie Nation - and that will count only if it comes under the exceptions mentioned in WP:UGC. To save this article from being deleted, you need to find sources such as I have mentioned; and if you cannot find any, then Skaz One almost certainly does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability at present, and no article will be accepted however it is written. --ColinFine (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Timestamp

I am trying to create templates for my own use that are presigned. How do I get the time stamp to work properly? The only way I can think of it to work would not display the correct time. Thanks. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 01:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, A lad insane, and welcome to the teahouse. The usual way is to include the string "~~~~" in the template code itself, optionally wrapped in <includeonly>...</includeonly> tags, to avoid a signature displaying on the template page itself. Then be sure to always use the template with the subst: prefix (which is better for most notice templates anyway). This will parse once when the template is saved, and get the timestamp right, becaue it uses the normal signature mechanism. It also means others can use it unchanged and their sigs will appear when the template is substed. DES ^(talk) 05:12, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! -A lad insane (Channel 2) 22:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Pictures

Can I upload a picture to my user page? Iris Medallion (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, here's how. Be aware that you can only use free images on your userpage. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:42, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Layout of article

What are the necessary fields to be filled to make an article about a book.Can anyone of the experienced editors create an essay regarding the basic layout of articles of diff topics on wiki⭐FORCE RADICAL⭐ @ 07:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Books has guidance on how to structure articles on books, as well as some useful templates and suggestions. You can also ask for more specialised help there. Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:50, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Can I put a video for reference

I want to write an article of Origin of the Moon, in that I want to write that Earth had 2 moons during 4.5 billion years ago but the reference is video of How the Universe works - Secret history of the Moon. K. Badri Vishal (talk) 04:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@K. Badri Vishal: That depends. Where is the video located? Could you give me a link? — Gestrid (talk) 05:39, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

The link is http://YouTube.com/watch?v=3Ba5oOPyRUY --K. Badri Vishal (talk) 06:40, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@K. Badri Vishal: Unfortunately, I'm unable to watch the video, as it has copyrighted content that has been blocked in the United States. However, we have a rule about using YouTube as a source. We generally can't use YouTube as a source for information because it is user-generated content. Because of that, it's not, by Wikipedia's definition, a reliable source. — Gestrid (talk) 21:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

YouTube is just a host and isn't reliable or unreliable in itself. A video posted on YouTube by Joe Bloggs isn't going to be considered reliable, but a BBC video on there is. That said, this particular video doesn't strike me as the best source for scientific claims about the moon. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

K. Badri Vishal, thanks for asking about this. I think there are two separate questions here, so here are two answers:

One thing we may not do is link to any online publication that is (or appears to be) a copyright violation (see WP:LINKVIO) – and that, unfortunately, is the case for a lot of material on YouTube. The video you link to above appears to be How the Universe Works, season 4, episode 6, from the Discovery Channel. It was not uploaded by the Discovery Channel itself (which would make it a useable source), but by some random user; we have no reason to believe that use of it is permitted by the copyright owner. That's probably why Gestrid can't view it.
That said, you can use a video as a reference even if you don't link to it, as long as it is made and published by a reliable source. That Discovery Channel broadcast is a reliable source by our standards, but is unlikely to contain much (or any) significant information that is not already published in scientific sources – it's a popularisation of scientific knowledge (what Cordless Larry said). When you use a video as a reference you should cite the name, author and publisher (just as you would for a book), and the exact time – usually to the second – that you are referring to (instead of a page number). For the rather misleading suggestion that the Moon is unusually large within the solar system, the citation might be something like:

Mike Rowe (narrator) (2010). "The Secret History of the Moon". How the Universe Works, series 4, episode 6. Discovery Channel. 00:01:35.

Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Justlettersandnumbers. I will put this as my reference.K. Badri Vishal (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, a TV documentary narrated by Mike Rowe is NOT a reliable source for an FA on the moon. I wish you hadn't said this--the editor just made that same edit again and I blocked them for this. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, Drmies, obviously I too wish I hadn't said it if it got someone blocked. It was supposed to be for use in a new article on the origin of the moon – there wasn't any mention of an FA. Two separate editors (I was one) told him/her that it was unlikely to be a useful source. Clearly there's a lesson here – thoroughly check the user's talk-page and block history before responding to even the most elementary question. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, I didn't see the very first part here, about this supposed new article, where perhaps a not so great source could have been acceptable. Let me backtrack quickly and apologize for raising the suggestion that it was your fault they got blocked: it wasn't. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 12:20, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

pt:Ficheiro:Capa de Índia.jpg for Gal Costa's Índia

I want add pt:Ficheiro:Capa de Índia.jpg as ""Fair Use" for :

en:Índia (Gal Costa album)

en:Gal Costa

- Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 02:07, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Xb2u7Zjzc32. That image would not meet the non-free content guideline for the article on Gal Costa for two reasons. First, because a picture on an album can generally only be used in an article on the album, in order to meet "contextual significance" criterion of the non-free content criteria. Second, we cannot use a fair use image when a free image that serves the same or similar encyclopedic purpose exists—which here is met by the photograph of Gal Costa herself that is already in the article on her, and which is much more contextually significant there than would be an album cover. It could be used in the article on the album though, for the reasons I've outlined, though I think it needs to be reduced in size a bit to meet the "minimal usage". It would have to be uploaded here (not to the Wikimedia Commons, which is only for free images), a filled-out fair use rationale placed, and a license provided (here {{Non-free album cover}}). It's often useful to find a good example to work from, which often in turn starts with seeing if there's a featured article in the same content arena that has an image to emulate. Here, you might look to File:Beyoncé - 4.png. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

en:Gal Costa describes the controversy of this picture : pt:Ficheiro:Capa de Índia.jpg

this is the fair use context

Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 03:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi again Xb2u7Zjzc32. I used the normal case but it's true that if an image is part of critical commentary in an article, that may form an exception. However, that needs to be a real section on that issue, indicating the controversy belongs in the article, is a notable part of the topic's story, and the subject of citations to reliable sources in the article to sustain it. (BTW, since you are at the English Wikipedia, you need not place the ":en" language code definer before a link, just as if you were at the Portuguese Wikipedia, you wouldn't need ":pt". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Image

I found an image for my article "XTE J1118+480", but I don't know how to add it to my star box, which is already strange looking, and I want to credit the image creator. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CooperScience (talk • contribs) 05:41, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@User:CooperScience I've made a stab at cleaning up the info box, but there are fields that need to be filled in that I am not enough of an astronomer to do. It should be more clear now how to fill in the starbox form.

If you have a free, public domain photograph of the object, you can follow these instructions to upload it : Wikipedia:Uploading_images

That done, you can add it to the infobox with this template : Template:Starbox_image

Hope this helps. ApLundell (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

How to stop authors from posting wrong information ?

1. Mohun Bagan A.C. Page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohun_Bagan_A.C.

It is about the National Club status. I have been removing this line but some other contributor is adding the line about National Club. Mohun Bagan Club is not national club of India. It never was And I personally have filed RTI and have got answer from Honorable Sports Ministry of India that Mohun Bagan Club was never national Club of India. However some contributor keep on adding the line.. "Mohun Bagan is National Club of India"

2. Date and result of First Derby played by the Kolkata Club... Mohun Bagan A.C. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohun_Bagan_A.C. Kolkata Derby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata_Derby

In both the pages the information on first kolkata derby is getting changed. East Bengal got promoted in the first division league in 1925 only after that the first official match can take place however few contributor are changing the date to 1921. Even if there was a match played between East Bengal and Mohun Bagan that cannot be considered as official since East Bengal was not in First Division at that time... For reference I am providing the link of 1. goal.com http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/1064/i-league/2017/04/09/3737569/updated-11-facts-you-must-know-about-the-kolkata-derby 2. Ileague.ord official website of Indian football http://i-league.org/interviews-and-features/kolkata-derby-origins-and-history/

The correct information is first Derby took place on 28th May, 1925 which East Bengal won by 1-0 . Nepal Chakraborty was the scorer .

I had been repeatedly fixing these 2 information but someone is continuously changing it. Kindly look into the matter....Kindly prevent this edits.

Rony DasguptaDasgupta.rony (talk) 14:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Dasgupta.rony, welcome to the Teahouse. On the Mohun Bagan A.C. page, the reference being used for the "national club" claim doesn't seem to mention anything about that in the article. In this case, you may need to look into dispute resolution (I'd start with the article's talk page). Discussing why the information is incorrect on the talk page will help to reach a consensus on the article.

On the Kolkata Derby page, it looks like you put the reference you are trying to cite in the edit summary rather than in the article itself. I'd recommend checking out WP:REFSTART to get a good idea of how to add references to the article. With good reliable sources, your changes are much less likely to be reverted. Random character sequence (talk) 16:53, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

How can i create a page about an actor and publish it? Please specify where exactly should i write and submit.

How can i create a page about an actor and publish it? Please specify where exactly should i write and submit. If you could give me guidance on the above, it will be great.Aiswaryasmkm (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

There are instructions about creating an article here : Wikipedia:Your_first_article.

Before you start, you might want to learn about the rules for biographies of living people.

ApLundell (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

And, if you have any kind of personal connection with the actor in question, Aiswaryasmkm, you also need to read about how your Conflict of interest makes it inadvisable to write about him. --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Well done

I'm so glad for you because i love the teahouse. -- FRANCO-LEYMAS OFICIAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrancoLeymas (talk • contribs) 22:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Franzi help

Hi, I have written Franzi page, but i see some issues. I want to understand what can i do :) For example i say that Franzi is one of the oldest italian brand in the luxury leather goods, because it was founded in 1864 and I know that Prada is from 1913, Gucci is fom 1921, Fontana milano is from 1915, Fendi is from 1925, Ferragamo is from 1927, Bottega Veneta is from 1966.. I know there are no sources that say the cronological order of the foundation of all the italian company to mention as a source, but it is an obvious deduction from the facts. Even more if we think that Guccio Gucci itself was an employee of Franzi. But since I'm new at wikipedia i want to understand if I went wrong using this deduction system and if yes, what can i do to do the things in the right way. A true thanks :) --Carlo ch (talk) 14:12, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Carlo ch and welcome to the Teahouse.

As strange as it may sound, you can write that Franzi is the oldest brand only if you have a reliable source that states it. The act of making "an obvious deduction from the facts" is not allowed under the policy of WP:SYNTHESIS. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:08, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Sources/references on article talk page making it difficult to follow the bottom-most section's conversation

Is it possible to generate a section heading for the sources that are appearing at the bottom of a Talk page in order to differentiate it from the bottom-most discussion on the page? The references make it difficult to follow that bottom section of discussion. --Mrtea (talk) 12:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mrtea. Where you want the citations to display, place {{reflist-talk}}. Rather than placing a section header at the bottom to separate them, it allows those displaced citations to appear in the thread where they were intended. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Fuhghettaboutit. This seems to be what I'm after. I notice on this particular talk page, which is probably due for an archiving, that there are many sections that contain references. I'm not clear on how to use {{reflist-talk}}. Am I supposed to place the template in every section on the talk page that contains a reference? Sounds tedious :) --Mrtea (talk) 12:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what page you're here about but I can't imagine it would take more than a minute if you clicked edit at the top of the page to open up the entire page for editing (rather than at each section header) and then used copy and paste.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:50, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: Probably it's about Talk:WorldNetDaily page. --CiaPan (talk) 13:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mrtea: The {{reflist-talk}} template lists (and gives numbers to) all references above it, which were not listed yet. So, yes – if you want to list all references from each section within that section, you'll need to add the template at the each section's end. --CiaPan (talk) 13:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mrtea:, I've added the template just to the sections where references are used. Does the page now display as you expect? It didn't take long using search and copy. Dbfirs 06:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Quoting offline sources and attempt to vandalism with intention to malign a living person or a reputed organisation's image

I have been editing the page of City Montessori School and trying to correct the links and add factual information. However some editors are hell bent upon quoting offline sources which are nowhere available offline too in the cited daily but they dont relent. My edits removed from here twice These are attempts are maligning the reputation of living person or a reputed organisation. How to tackle this issue. Velociraptor2012 (talk) 06:04, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Velociraptor2012. Welcome to the teahouse. As you have been advised on your talk page, sources do not need to be available on-line, but they do need to be available somewhere such as bookshops or libraries. Are you claiming that a cited source is fictitious? Do you have some connection with the school? If so, then please see WP:Conflict of interest. The correct place to discuss content is on the talk page of the article. Dbfirs 06:18, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Velociraptor2012, in this edit you added that Sandeep Pandey was allegedly associated with Naxalites and was involved in anti-nationalist activities. Just to bring to your attention (per this source) that decision of ousting him was quashed with the Allahabad High Court commenting that these terms shouldn't be used lightly. In the same edit you removed what was given in the source to something altogether different. Here too you changed the info cited to The Times of India article. --Skr15081997 (talk) 07:19, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Skr15081997, Firstly the edit about Sandeep Pandey here was quoted as per the source of news which I cited. I accepted your edit to revert as it was cited with a later piece of news regarding HC order. Secondly Here I did not edit the source however I just noticed that whatever was existing was not false and had a reliable source. So there is no reason to remove it. Velociraptor2012 (talk) 10:06, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

I've fixed a disambiguation problem, but the box hasn't gone away

This alert appeared on my first ever newly-created page, Shine a Light (Billy Bragg and Joe Henry album) -

This article currently links to a large number of disambiguation pages (or back to itself) (check | fix). Please help direct these ambiguous links to articles dealing with the specific meaning intended. Read the FAQ. (May 2017)

I clicked on "check | fix" and carefully fixed all of the examples listed. If I go to that link now, it states, "No disambiguation links on Shine a Light (Billy Bragg and Joe Henry album)."

And yet the scary box remains. Does someone else need to confirm that I have done as asked? It's spoiling the look of my page! Acol37 (talk) 10:31, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Acol37 If you've fixed the problem you should remove the relevant maintenance template. Most of these tags are not automatic, they are added and removed by editors such as yourself. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the guidance. This may seem like a dim follow-up question, but how do I remove the template?

Acol37 (talk) 06:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Someone has done it for you, but all you would have to do is remove the {{dablinks|date=May 2017}} tag. RM2KX (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Situation Room (photograph)

How did the user make the image in the article Situation Room (photograph) clickable so clicking on a person will take me to their respective article???--Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 22:43, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Shorouq, they have used an Image map to make an area of the image clickable. 22:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mduvekot (talk • contribs)

(edit conflict) The user made a template {{Image map for The Situation Room}} that included coding to make parts of the image clickable. Another example can be seen if you go to the edit window at The Club (dining club)#Members. See mw:Extension:ImageMap. This sort of thing is pretty complicated to do. If there's a particular image you want this done with, it might be best to ask at Wikipedia talk:Graphics Lab for help. Deor (talk) 23:05, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

My account auto logged out and won't let me log back in ' to prevent hijacking '

That's it. I'm on mobile Internet now, where it seems to be saved but won't let me edit (user Kingsif) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.0.5 (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

seems to be working in another tab, nevermind :) Kingsif (talk) 01:56, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Chief Topinabee

I'm concerned: I read something on Wikipedia about my ancestor, but some of the history got switched around. I might be able to change it; is it OK if I did that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snakeeyes26 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

If you are just rearranging the timeline, or removing unsourced information, then go ahead and make the changes. If you are changing or removing sourced information, or adding facts that "you know", then you should also add references to WP:Reliable sources to support your changes. Your WP:Conflict of interest is probably not significant in this article. Dbfirs 06:19, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Reference Date not Appearing

I was editing a page and using a source from UNESCO, the edit was going well but when I tried to add the date of the source it stopped showing the actual fact, just the source link. Below is the URL for the page and the date that should be linked to the reference, the reference is on the number of speakers. URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salentino_dialect Date: May 27, 2017

Wmpetro (talk) 02:54, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Wmpetro and welcome to the Teahouse.

Sometimes you have to check the documentation for templates to figure out how to use them. If you go to Template:infobox language and check the date parameter, you will see that it expects a 4-digit year. Try just putting in "2017" in place of the longer date and see if that doesn't fix you up. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:35, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Sources

Hi, I have some information I would like to add to the Lindsey Stirling page; but I am not sure how to insert my source so it will come up as a footnote? Iris Medallion (talk) 06:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Iris Medallion and welcome to the teahouse. Our guidance WP:Referencing for beginners should help you to add references to WP:Reliable sources. Basically, anything between <ref> ... </ref> tags appears as a reference at the bottom of the article. Are you asking about footnotes that are separate from references? Ask again here if you need further help. Dbfirs 06:41, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Deletion notices

How do I not get a deletion notice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheriff45 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Sheriff45 and welcome to the Teahouse.

One reason the articles you have been creating have been marked for deletion is that they contain no references whatsoever. Without references, they cannot remain on Wikipedia. You could do better if you follow the advice in WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:19, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Sheriff45, and welcome to the teahouse. You need to be aware that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. This means that it does not contain an article about every topic and person that exists, only about those that have been written about previously in WP:Reliable sources so that they are notable in the Wikipedia sense. If you are working on an article, and have not yet added references, then you should put it in draft space so that you are allowed time to work on it before anyone puts a deletion notice on it. Dbfirs 07:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Help with Mehgan James draft

Experiment (See talk page )

Editor: @Lmhp10:

Article: User:Lmhp10/Mehgan James

This editor could use some help from experienced editors. However, no need to even look at the material until the editor responds here that they are willing to join in the discussion.--S Philbrick (Talk) 20:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I would like some advice on how to improve this draft Lmhp10 (talk) 21:36, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Texas City native, Mehgan James, is a seasoned reality star who made her debut in 2008 on 50 Cent's "For the Money and the Power." Mehgan was the last female standing in the competition and was later cast in season 9 of Oxygen Network's "Bad Girls Club. " The former high school triathlete and oldest of seven appeared on the first two seasons of "Bad Girls Club: All Stars Battle" before joining the cast of Basketball Wives LA. Mehgan is currently in production for a reality series produced by Tyra Banks as well as a docu-series for MTV called "The Millennial Mogul." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Lmhp10: instead of placing an alternative version of the draft here, it would have been better to give a link to the version in your userspace: User:Lmhp10/Mehgan James. Trying to discuss multiple versions of the draft at the same time is likely to lead to confusion. Maproom (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. Very new to this and it is all a bit confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lmhp10. Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, only properly has articles on topics that have been written about in substantive detail (not just mere mentions) in reliable, secondary and independent sources. Your only job if you want this article to "stick" is to look for and cite those types of sources, in a transparent manner, if they exist.

Because this topic has already been the subject of a community deletion discussion here, you need to find those type of sources and cite them in a manner that significantly improves on the version of the article that was in place when that deletion discussion took place; that is, this version. If it's not already clear, by "significantly improve" I am chiefly talking about the sourcing and not the text.

If those sources don't exist, do not waste your own valuable time; no article will be possible. In relation to the sources issue, I think you might benefit from reading Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:23, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow. Mehgan James is mentioned on several Wikipedia Pages like Bad Girls Club and Basketball Wives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Girls_All-Star_Battle_(season_2)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Girls_Club_(season_9)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_Wives_LA_(season_4)

Hi Again Lmhp10. Her mention in other Wikipedia articles is irrelevant. Topics need to be notable to warrant encyclopedia articles. The general notability standard is met by demonstrating that the world has taken note of a topic by substantive treating it in the types of sources I talked about, outside of Wikipedia. Please read the pages I've linked here and above. Not only must these standards be met for a topic to warrant an article as a baseline, but because the deletion discussion I linked already determined she did not meet these standards, the draft will only be accepted if it addresses the basis for the deletion which was notability so there's a very high bar here to be met, before any move from draft to the mainspace. You must strive to understand by reading these guidelines and policies. They are the compasses we go by.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Google Mehgan James LOL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry Lmhp10, but that response indicates you have not understood what is needed. You have to find:

Reliable sources, as that is defined at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources – treatment in mainstream newspaper articles, non-vanity books, magazines, scholarly journals, television and radio documentaries, etc. – sources with editorial oversight and a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means generally not random personal websites, blogs, forum posts, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, self-published sources like open wikis (including other Wikipedia articles), etc.
They must be entirely independent of her;
They must be secondary sources, written by third parties to a topic;
Such sources must have substantive discussion of her, not just mere mentions;
And they must actually be used in the draft, by proper citation to verify the information content and demonstrate notability (without copying; write in your own words).

This is your burden of you want this article to stick. If you don't your draft will not become an acceptable article and will be deleted as a repost of an article already discussed at a deletion discussion, with consensus to delete as not meeting Wikipedia's notability guidelines..--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

www.famousbirthdays.com/people/mehgan-james.html

www.imdb.com/name/nm7417110/

http://www.oxygen.com/very-real/mehgan-james-and-keke-palmer-just-got-into-a-serious-twitter-fight

http://www.vh1.com/news/239015/mehgan-james-kayvon-webster-denver-broncos-new-boo/

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/models/mehgan-james-net-worth/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Lmhp10, none of those sources would be suitable to show notability. Famousbirthdays.com lacks detail and isn't reliable. IMDB is User generated and therefore not reliable. Celebritynetworth.com is not reliable. Oxygen and VH1 are slightly more reliable and could be used to source some minor facts, but since they are her employers, they are not independent and cannot be used to show notability. John from Idegon (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/mehgan-james/credits/769228/

http://www.lonny.com/Mehgan+James

http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/mehgan-james?excludenudity=true&sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=mehgan%20james&family=editorial

http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/mehgan-james-32699.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hottest-wags-super-bowl-50-gallery-1.2518160?pmSlide=1.2518141

https://tvdeets.com/mehgan-james/

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/animals/mehgan-james-ok-magazine-summer-kick-off-party/vp-BBBho4z

https://theboxhouston.com/tag/mehgan-james/

https://www.mayhementertainmentpr.com/?lightbox=image_1sgq

http://urbanbellemag.com/tag/mehgan-james/

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ia7pi_mehgan-james-star-magazine-s-hollywood-rocks-2016-red-carpet-fashion-broll_people

http://www.xxlmag.com/eye-candy/2015/10/eye-candy-mehgan-james/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

http://maximotv.blogspot.com/2016/04/mehgan-james-star-magazines-hollywood_15.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/was-mehgan-james-fired-basketball-wives-la-reality-star-reveals-she-wont-return-2368600 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/106165/20150903/basketball-wives-la-season-4-cast-things-get-heated-between-tami-roman-mehgan-james-on-twitter-but-why-video.htm

http://www.realmrhousewife.com/2016/08/10/mehgan-james-joining-next-season-wags/

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articles/79405/20160126/basketball-wives-la-star-mehgan-james-dating-nfl-player-headed-to-superbowl-50-pics.htm

http://www.wendyshow.com/2016/12/29/keke-palmer-twitter-feud-with-mehgan-james/#.WSiaiRPytcw

http://www.wetpaint.com/draya-michele-mehgan-james-twitter-feud-1432655/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/keke-palmer-fights-mehgan-james-162240043.html

http://www.houstontrendmag.com/home/2016/06/07/love-hip-hop-comes-to-houston-featuring-kirko-bangz-mehgan-james-jhonni-blaze-more/

http://en.paperblog.com/mehgan-james-interview-bad-girls-club-all-stars-2-846054/

http://christiandaily.com/article/basketball-wives-la-updates-mehgan-james-will-not-appear-in-season-5-jennifer-williams-of-miami-teases-she-might-join-la/52281.htm

https://www.houstoniamag.com/articles/2016/7/18/perfect-party-august-2016

http://www.harborer.com/mehgan-james-net-worth/

http://uhmagonline.com/mehgan-james/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432852/WAGs-Carolina-Panthers-Denver-Broncos-revealed.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry Lmhp10, none of those links are helpful. That is to say, posting a mixture of raw links to blogs, videos, photographs, random websites, mere mentions, etc., without apparently any culling of them to meet the standards I've attempted to convey, and as unmoored from the article and their use in it, does not move the needle forward. We are not checking some box here on number of links that exist. The draft needs to use the sources, in a proper manner, with the right kind of winnowed sources located (if they exist), in a manner showing that notability has increased since the AfD discussion was held. As the person who wants this draft to be accepted, you would have to do so, while writing the content that those carefully chosen, substantive sources, verify. At this point I don't know if an acceptable article is possible, but my advice is to not spend any more of your time because I don't see that as a possibility.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:04, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Those are the sources I used to acquire the content to write her bio. The last several links have great bios in them as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmhp10 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Then you have a task ahead of you, Lmhp10. You should read the most reliable of the sources that you used, paraphrase the text in your own words to avoid copyright issues, and give a reference to the reliable source for each statement that you make. Ask again here if you need more help with the task. Dbfirs 11:36, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Cross-wiki notification?

Last night I was surprised to see an email telling me "Loveless‬ a laissé un message sur votre page de discussion sur Wikipédia." I didn't trust such an unanticipated email so I didn't click the message but I browsed on over to Wikipedia (English as always: I rarely even visit other languages of Wikipedia and have never contributed to them). Sure enough there actually was a new alert at the top of the page next to my name. It led me to my Notifications and thence to [1] where I have seemingly been welcomed to the French Wikipedia as a new user by Frakir (not Loveless!?). (After I'd read and navigated away I had the devil of a time guessing how to find it again: it had disappeared from my All Notifications.) Why was I greeted thus? Could I somehow have caused it by dozing off with fingers resting on my tablet? How could this have come about? --Egmonster (talk) 10:03, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Egmonster. I actually had this same thing happen to me, also on fr.wiki. I was given a welcome notice a full two years before I make my first edit there. So, first off, accounts nowadays are generally global accounts. Before this, you had to register a different account for each project (see also Help:Unified login). And it looks like a bot operator on fr.wiki has their gadget set to probably welcome all new users after some period, and do so without regard to whether they've actually edited in the French language. It looks like the bot operator is here, but they don't have anything like Wikipedia:Babel user boxes on their user page, and they've only made about 500 contributions to en.wiki, so it's anyone's guess whether they speak English well or can contribute to the discussion here. Maybe if we can get a French speaker to reach out to them. TimothyJosephWood 10:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Pinging User:Tamfang, as basically the only French speaker listed at Wikipedia:Local Embassy that seems to have been active in the past few days. TimothyJosephWood 10:27, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I can only agree with PrimeHunter below. I've had such greetings in Lithuanian, Piemontese and Malayalam; probably I clicked to those sites to see the local spelling of a place-name or something. —Tamfang (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Egmonster: Your account is automatically created at a Wikimedia wiki if you view any page while logged in at another wiki. Special:CentralAuth/Egmonster shows your accounts. fr:Special:Logs/Egmonster shows your French Wikipedia account was created 1 minute before the welcome post.[2] Some wikis automatically post a welcome message to new accounts. Loveless is a bot doing this in the French Wikipedia but it signs as a random volunteer from a project to help and welcome users. There is a setting at [3] saying whether to get email notifications of posts to your talk page. The notification may still be visible at the French Wikipedia [4]. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:37, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you TimothyJosephWood, Tamfang, and PrimeHunter for clearing up the mystery. I hate the thought of the system creating multiple accounts so promiscuously. Do you think Wiki-spam rather lowers the tone of the whole project? Even if I silence my automatic notifications, the multiple accounts will still stealthily be created unless I keep logging out and in whenever I want to do research. Where could I put in a word for deprecation of this practice? --Egmonster (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Egmonster, eh, for most people it's entirely useless but unnoticeable. I mean, you've had 60 or so "accounts" for the entire time you've had this one, and since you don't use them, you didn't even realize until you ran up on a less then ideal bot setting on a comparatively smallish project. Nearly all of the time they just sit there dormant. On the other hand, for people like me who use en.wiki, do occasional editing in other languages, and frequent Commons and wikiquote fairly regularly, having a unified login is immensely useful. The most that should probably be done is have fr.wiki adjust the settings on the loveless bot, since I'd wager the majority of the people it notifies can't even read the message. TimothyJosephWood 13:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

My Edited Draft

(Jamiat Ulama e Hind (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2017 (UTC))

This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

C.Fred

You have deleted my additions on a page Jamiat Ulama e Hind.

Can you please email me by draft of editing so I can update it

regards

Jamiat Ulama e Hind (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Jamiat Ulama e Hind, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can access your edits to the article in its page history: here Old revision of Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind

Also please note the message on your talk page. You cannot have "Jamiat Ulama e Hind" as your username on Wikipedia. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:02, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Page Created

Hi, I created a page Draft:Education Expert ( Non Government Organization), quite a while ago. I also created many pages related to moths; however, this one still seems to be in draft. Can you say if there is something wrong with the page or with something I missed? Adityavagarwal (talk) 12:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Adityavagarwal, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you have missed a step: you need to submit the draft for review (I've added a template that let's you do so by clicking the blue button that appears). However, the draft is in no shape to pass a review. Wikipedia is not interested in what the organization has to say about itself, but what others have to say about it. You need to cite reliable third party sources and base your article on them. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:59, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I totally did not know to submit for a review. Yeah, also, the point raised by you is right. However, I do not know if there is even any third party saying that about the organization; anyways, do you think I should even apply that for a review?Adityavagarwal (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

In its current state, submitting it for review seems futile. Third party sources are absolutely necessary. Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. No third party sources, no article, I'm afraid. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:20, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

why don't I have a user page

Hello I'm don't have a user page or sandbox or anything Whistle toe ll (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Whistle toe ll, your user page is at User:Whistle toe ll, your sandbox would be at User:Whistle toe ll/sandbox as soon as you create it, by clicking on the link and writing something on the page that opens. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I want to write about my published book

How can I write about my published book on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhijit Borah (talk • contribs) 14:19, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

@Bhijit Borah: Hello and welcome. You really should not write about your own published book on Wikipedia, that is what is called a conflict of interest. People naturally write favorably about themselves and their own work, even if unintentionally. If you can show that your book is notable per the notability guidelines for books(click to review), you can visit Requested articles to request that others write about it. 331dot (talk) 15:07, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

My edited Draft

(Jamiat Ulama e Hind (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC))

C.Fred

You have deleted my additions on a page Jamiat Ulama e Hind.

Can you please email me by draft of editing so I can update it

regards

Jamiat Ulama e Hind (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: C.Fred. Hi Jamiat Ulama e Hind. Your edits to the page were reverted, not deleted; they still exist and each and every one remains accessible in the page history. Accordingly, there's no need to email anything. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:56, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Museum of Bad Art

How did the user make two maps in the info box of the article Museum of Bad Art and afford it in options???--Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 13:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Super ninja2. I don't know how deep an explanation you want. Museum of Bad Art uses {{Infobox museum}} with |map_type = Massachusetts#USA. I have demonstrated it here with the code:

{{Infobox museum
|map_type    = Massachusetts#USA
|coordinates = {{coord|42.248026|-71.172969|display=inline}}
}}

{{Infobox museum}} calls {{Location map}} with the feature described at parameter {{{1}}} at Template:Location map#Parameters. {{Location map}} uses the feature at User:Jackmcbarn/switcher with code at MediaWiki:Gadget-switcher.js. Other wikis would need similar JavaScript for the radio button feature to work. I see you mainly edit the Arabic Wikipedia. It doesn't currently appear to have such code. Pages in the MediaWiki namespace can only be edited by administrators. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

How to become a administrator?

Moby von Robot the III was blocked for sockpuppetry shortly after asking this question. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:40, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How to become a administrator?Moby von Robot the III (talk) 01:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Moby von Robot the III, welcome to the Teahouse! Administrators are editors who are given some additional tools that help them to do all kinds of maintenance work that is necessary to keep Wikipedia running smoothly. To become an administrator, you need a significant amount of experience of how things work here, and have shown understanding of all kinds of policies, and have shown good judgment and temperament. You need to pass a review process by fellow editors, but it's best not to request to become administrator until you have the necessary experience. There are no hard rules for when someone is ready, but in practice you have to think about one or several years of active, good, contributions. See Wikipedia:Administrators for more information. Gap9551 (talk) 02:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Moby von Robot the III. Here are my suggestions: Begin by contributing productively to the encyclopedia for at least a year or two. Create several new articles, improve and expand other articles, and work to bring at least one or two articles to Good Article status. Familiarize yourself with our policies and procedures, and get involved in administrative areas of the project. This may include fighting vandalism or evaluating articles which have been nominated for deletion. There are many other behind-the-scenes administrative areas of the encyclopedia that need useful input from editors who are not administrators. Always conduct yourself in a thoughtful, reasonable way, and seek to resolve rather than inflame disputes. A year or two of consistently positive contributions will go a long way toward preparing yourself to be an administrator. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:09, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Moby von Robot the III. You might also want to read Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates. In any case, with less than 40 edits over the course of less than a month, you are some distance from being ready to be an admin or to pass an RfA. I would suggest that you follow the advice above, always use edit summaries, always try to be helpful and not aggressive, and check back after several thousand edits made over a year or more of steady editing. DES ^(talk) 18:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

nom de plumes

I have a question. Who are all these guys that send messages with names like MrX, drm3 and Yann? If you want to criticise me or my article on the Dublin Celts football club,dont hide in the shadows and snipe, come out and abd face me and debate. Nothing worse than a coward! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinwsharkey (talk • contribs) 20:19, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Kevinwsharkey, and welcome to the Teahouse. Using a username other than your real name is allowed, and even encouraged, by Wikipedia policy: WP:REALNAME. It has nothing to do with "hiding"; all edits made by users are logged, and since everyone is only entitled to only one account (with limited exceptions), we know exactly what people are up to, even if they don't do it under their real names. Also, calling other users "cowards" is not appropriate: WP:NPA – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:29, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Kevinwsharkey, it appears that you are using two accounts: Kevinwsharkey and Kevin w sharkey. Please note that this is against Wikipedia's rules, and you should pick one of them and stick to using it, alone, in future - otherwise, you will be blocked from editing using either. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:35, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kevinwsharkey. You need to know that "all these guys that send messages" are just volunteer editors like yourself who are guiding you in following the rules and policies of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopaedia, so it does not publish WP:Original research, and it has very strict rules about copyright. If you wish to publish an article about a topic that you know lots about, but has not already been written about in WP:Reliable sources, then you need to find another website or publisher. On the other hand, if you follow the rules and find WP:Reliable sources for each fact in your article, then it will be welcomed provided that you disclose your WP:Conflict of interest. Unfortunately, we cannot accept your memory of what other players have said to you as a source unless each fact has been published somewhere else. Dbfirs 06:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Kevinwsharkey. I endorse all the comments to you made above. In addition, you wrote "my article on the Dublin Celts football club". I hope that by "my article" you meant "the article that I created". Please be aware that as per WP:OWN, no editor "owns" or controls an Wikipedia article, nor does any editor need the permission of the creator, or of anyone, to edit any article, provided that the intent is to help improve the article. DES ^(talk) 18:43, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

How do I know your real name is Kevin W Sharkey and not, say, Maurice Micklewhite or Frances Gumm? —Tamfang (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

How to delete a citation

I have added a citation using cite->template. There is some mistake and I want to delete that citation. Where do I go and delete that!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nagaraj Kolara (talk • contribs) 03:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kolara. Since you were the one who added the citation, you can simply self-revert your edit. In some cases, however, you may have to manually remove the citation by clicking on edit (at the top of the article or at the relevant seciton) and tnen removing the template syntax. Just make sure to leave an edit sum explaining why in either case. If you do have to manually remove it, try and make sure not to remove any other article content or do any accidental damage to the article; also, please remember to remove both ref tags for the citation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page views: Massviews using pagepile

Hello and many thanks for the helpful responses to my questions so far. I wonder if this is the right place for a question about page views. I have been looking at some pageviews for wikipedia pages on here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Cat%7CDog

I would like to try to get the page views for a long list of medicines, so I tried to use massviews. I made a pagepile (9220) and then another much shorter one (9221), but the results I get dont make sense, eg the medicine orlistat has around 700 views a day when I enter it in page views on its own, but comes up as single digits in massviews or sometimes there is an error saying that it is not found. I think I am misundertanding or not using the tool correctly, is there an explanation or documentation anywhere on how to use massviews with pagepile? Many thanks for any insight and apologies if this is not the right place for the question. Libby EMAcomm (talk) 21:54, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Libby EMAcomm. Use uppercase initial letter in the PagePile. I made PagePile 9224 as your PagePile 9221 but with uppercase: [5]. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter. Fantastic! Huge thanks for this information Libby EMAcomm (talk) 06:22, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Do you include rejected ballots in election turnouts on wikipedia?

Hi, I'm doing a bit of work on some local elections and was wondering what the best way to show rejected/spoilt ballots in the turnout figures was - should I just add them to the total turnout figure and leave it at that or create and extra row for rejected ballots? Ballotboxworm (talk) 12:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ballotboxworm. I think the best place to ask this question might be at Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums. The members of that WikiProject probably have come across this before and they should be able to help. Just post your question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:29, 29 May 2017 (UTC)