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Changed user name, still listed on class module with old user name

As a student I signed up with a user name that I then changed to 'franza615'. My user name on the Student Page of the Class Module still has my old user name and is not displaying the work I have done. Do you know how I can update this??

Franza615 (talk) 01:15, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Franza615. Anything that is calculated on the fly, such as "History" and "Your contribution" pages, should update to show the current name. But anything that has been incorporated in the text of a page (including places where you signed a contribution with ~~~~ is fixed and will not be updated automatically. If it matters to you, you can edit that page - make sure you explain why you are changing it in the edit summary, so nobody will mistake it for vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

How to draw attention to the newly created page?

I started creating page about the Star Wars character and I need help from more experienced Star Wars-fans editors. How do I find them? -FriyMan (talk) 11:53, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming that this is about CT-5555, you need to demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's definition of notability. If you want to find other editors interested in Star Wars, see WP:WikiProject Star Wars, and while there please read the section "Things to remember" within WP:WikiProject Star Wars#Your role. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

India article not reflecting neutral point of view

India, a country of extreme poverty and one of the highest number of millionaires- has an article which I, as an Indian, do not connect to - because it does not reflect India the way it is today. Wikipedians are probably not willing to discuss about it on the talk page. For example- very specifically, the one thing I was told while trying to add "tourism" sub-section in economy was- "tourism does not contribute significantly to India's GDP". I have ample of reputed citations which prove that Tourism contributes more than 6% of the GDP- which is world's 7th largest GDP. Therefore, I am eager to resolve this issue that has been pending since 2 years. And I would also be willing to contact more administrators about this if you feel it is needed to resolve this. Thank you very much. Pppooojjjaaa (talk) 02:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Pppooojjjaaa, and welcome to the Teahouse. India is a Featured article, meaning it's one of Wikipedia's best and its content has been thoroughly thought out. You should bear this in mind when suggesting changes, and familiarize yourself with the various milestones that the article has reached (see at the top of its Talk page). Since it's a huge topic, you should see if whatever you wanted to write about tourism would be better at Tourism in India or Economy of India. Only the key details of various industries should make it to the article on the country itself. And while it's not a numbers game, you can count that we had a section for every 6% segment of the economy, we would need a whopping 16 sections. Clearly it is not a good way to organize a topic. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I understand. However, the best thought out content needs makeover time to time as India surpassed China in 2015 (IMF data) to become world's fastest changing/developing country. With hundreds of UNESCO world heritage sites, with one of the 7 wonders of the world, tourism is also growing rapidly. In fact, sub-sections like clothing- can be removed to fit more important ones like tourism. Education institutes of India (more than 5 business schools in top 100 and 37 universities in top 500- QS rankings) and Space technology of India (extensive satellite networks, first country in the world to reach Mars in first attempt) are among more important factors than clothing. I honestly can say for sure the article does not represent 2016's India. Pppooojjjaaa (talk) 03:18, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Be bold. Add a sentence here and a sentence there (with proper citations of course). Just because it's a featured article doesn't mean you can't make improvements. Find a good spot to place those details and do for it. With FAs it's often best to go slow rather than adding section or paragraphs.Dig Deeper (talk) 04:07, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Dig deeper, it means a lot :) I have had really tough 2 years with wiki :) I will hope someone adds it someday. I just feel that even if after 2 more years I am successful in getting a tourism section, it won't have an effect on India's tourism performance. But I really am a fan of the way you answered my query :) Thanks for that again. Can you also help me with my question on deletion of wiki account. Pppooojjjaaa (talk) 04:16, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

You've only been editing for 6 month on English Wikipedia. If it has been "tough" that is often an indication of editing in a manner that is too aggressive or not following Wikipedia policies. You have tried to add 2 paragraphs to a feature article. Editors who have spent months or years making improvements to this article are right to be reluctant when a new guys suddenly appears and try to make drastic changes. Also India has about 40,000 page views per day. That's huge. With views that high, Wikipedia's reputation is involved and threats of blocking your account are justified. Personally, I tend to avoid articles this popular because changes are always very very slow. If you can't be patient and go very very slow, then edit less prominent articles.Dig Deeper (talk) 15:37, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

How to delete wikipedia account

Hello, I read that I have to change my username in order to be able to delete wiki account. But I do not how to contact "renamer" to do so. If I delete the gmail account associated with this wiki account, will it work? If not, can an admin block my account? Thanks Pppooojjjaaa (talk) 03:27, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, Pppooojjjaaa. There's no real way to truly delete a Wikipedia account, as every edit must be attributed to some user. However, if you wish to change your username, you should read Wikipedia:Changing username and select the appropriate page to go to. (Having gone through the rename process myself, I would use the first option if you have enabled and confirmed an email address to use with Wikipedia.)

However, it appears they will not be processing rename requests until at least December 16 due to maintenance. You are still able to submit a request in whatever way you choose, but the renamers cannot actually do anything with it until that time.

— Gestrid (talk) 07:21, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Alternatively, of course, every good-faith editor here is entitled to a clean start, especially since your account is relatively new here. Basically, this means you can just go ahead and create a new account and (optionally) not tell anyone. This means that you can use your old account for some purposes. If you do this, it's generally recommended that you place a notice on your old account's page to let others know that it's your alternative account. This helps you avoid accusations of sock puppetry (the illegitimate use of multiple accounts for different purposes such as harassing users, "voting" on something more that once, and other things). — Gestrid (talk) 07:54, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you can delete an account: all edits have to be ascribed to an editor and closing an account would leave a hole in the edit history. You can: 1. ask an Admin to move your account to a different name-space; 2. create a new account and request that the old one be blocked. In the latter case you might want to ask for a history-merge (or whatever it's called) to move your edits in the old account to the new one. Deleting you email account will just remove the email account, no more... Hope this helps — Iadmc ♫^talk 07:18, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Additional: you can add {{help me}} with a question to your talk page and someone will be over to help ASAP... might be quicker than the Teahouse — Iadmc ♫^talk 07:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Especially since this is the English Wikipedia. Most English-speakers are likely asleep right now. — Gestrid (talk) 07:35, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Apart from those in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, India, and many of those in South Africa, the UK and Ireland. --ColinFine (talk) 10:24, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

What is your reason for renaming? Keep the following in mind especially in the context of your India edits...

The old account must be clearly discontinued, and the new account must avoid editing patterns or behaviors that would allow other users to recognize and identify the account. It is expected that the new account will be a true "fresh start", will edit in new areas and avoid old disputes, and will follow community norms of behavior. A genuine clean start is not considered improper. However, if an editor uses their new account to resume editing articles or topics in the same manner that resulted in harassment or a negative reputation in the first place (becoming involved in disputes, edit warring or other forms of disruptive editing), the editor will probably be recognized and connected to the old account. Changing accounts to avoid the consequences of past bad behaviors is usually seen as evading scrutiny and may lead to additional sanctions. from intro of WP:CLEANSTART Dig Deeper (talk) 15:48, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks to all of you for your replies to this editor. I wanted to let you know that you may have duplicated answers in this thread User talk:Drmies#LOL. At the end of that thread Pppooojjjaaa claims to have found a way to block themselves from signing on to WikiP so you may not hear from them any further. MarnetteD|Talk 15:59, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

musical artist box & image

The musical artist box I had in my sandbox doesn't show up now that my page is in draft mode. How do I fix this? Also, what is the best way to post an image of the artist I am creating a page about? Songuitar333 (talk) 01:17, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Songuitar333, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixed your broken template. Seems the extra brackets were causing the template not to appear. I've also gone ahead and done some general (very general) cleanup on that infobox, too. — Gestrid (talk) 08:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Songuitar333 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC News and #100WomenWiki

Hello - the main BBC News site is running a piece on tomorrow's edit-a-thon for women, encouraging the public (i.e. BBC readers/viewers) to participate across multiple global events. Is there a need to communicate to New Page Reviewers and other edit watchers to expect more first-time editors and reinforce WP:BITE? I wasn't sure who to notify, or whether this is already widely known. Thanks for your guidance on next steps, if any. ‑‑Dstone66 ⑆^(talk)⑇^(contribs)⑈ 21:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Dstone66: May be a good idea to post this at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers. TimothyJosephWood 21:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I've also gone ahead and notified WikiProject Women. See WT:WOMEN#BBC Editathon tomorrow. — Gestrid (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

For other editors wondering, the BBC News piece appears to be: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38219838

— Gestrid (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm very concerned that these instructions don't mention anything about notability, GNG or even sourcing/references. There is a Mashable article too. This is a great idea, but who's in charge? Are they ensuring that there is at least 1 BLP prod avoiding reference in each article? This can easily go very wrong if the deletionists start tagging/deleting. The-Pope (talk) 15:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

The-Pope: Looks like the appropriate contact is bbc100.women@bbc.co.uk TimothyJosephWood 16:31, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood and The-Pope: I've heard that Wikimedia UK is working with them and I've also watched the video, which is a lot more detailed than the article is. The video probably came from Wikimedia UK, and BBC doesn't understand the importance of our policies. — Gestrid (talk) 18:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

As a follow up, a (probably incomplete list) is here. Carcharoth (talk) 18:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

picture deletion in commons with no reason

Hello. I recently took a picture of a plain cigarette packaging, and published it in commons, to insert it in the english and french page of plsin tobacco packagingThe pictures have been deleted the 9 of december 2016. I don't understand why. I have the right to take a picture of an item i have bought. It was my picture, no copyright. Maybe you can clear this issue. Thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viiizi24 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Viiizi24. According to our records, you have never logged onto Wikimedia Commons with your current username. What was the exact name of the file you uploaded? — Gestrid (talk) 19:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello.

Yes it is because i used an old pseudo: Giowd3. File was: [File:French plain tobacco packaging as of december 2016.jpeg] Thanks for your feedbackViiizi24 (talk) 19:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Viiizi24: It was uploaded by Ghiowd3. The deletion log at commons:File:French plain tobacco packaging as of december 2016.jpeg refers to commons:COM:PACKAGING. Owning a copyrighted product does not give you the right to publish photos of it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Ok, but why delete my pic of plsin packaging, when there are plenty of other pictures featuring packd of cigarettes with logos (see for example, the marlboro page)

Rules apply only to certain pics? I think some pics are not welcomed to be shown. This is contrary to freedom of information...Viiizi24 (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

@Viiizi24: Some of the images in the Marlboro cigarette article should probably be deleted from Wikimedia Commons as well. Please be aware that, as a matter of policy, Wikipedia Commons does not host images of copyrighted logos, artwork, book covers, album covers, movie posters and the like. Wikimedia websites are private and have the right to establish their own rules, and you must comply with those rules. Here on Wikipedia, we host some of that type of non-free image, but onlyif such usage fully complies with the policy. This is not negotiable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I understand the policy, but i just don't understand why a plain pack of marlboro have to be deleted, and not a full of colors and logo normal pack of cigarette. In my sense, there is more cooyright in the normal pack than in the plain pack (with no colour/logo)

I understand the rules, but the same rules have to apply to everyone. Otherwise it is not rules but arbitrary decisionsViiizi24 (talk) 21:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

There are two different policies. Commons is very strict on copyright. Wikipedia has a Fair use policy but it needs to be used carefully and sparingly. (See Wikipedia:Non-free content.) The rules are being applied consistently, but you uploaded to Commons. Dbfirs 22:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Viiizi24. As pointed out by some others, Commons and Wikipedia operate for different reasons and under different policies and guidelines. There are lots of similarities and overlap for sure, but there are also some very important differences. If you want more specific information as to why a file was deleted from Commons, then you should ask at c:User talk:Taivo since Tavio is the Commons administrator who deleted the photo. If want more general information on Commons copyright policy, then you can ask at c:COM:VP/C. There is also probably a notification posted about the file on the user talk page of your Commons account, so check there as well. The Wikipedia Teahouse deals primarily with editing related questions on Wikipedia, so there's not a lot the hosts can do when it comes to Commons other than give some general advice. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Viiizi24. You are quite correct that the same rules apply to all. The way this happens is up to you and me. If you come across examples of such photos which you think are outside the policy, then please tag them so they can be deleted; don't expect that "somebody else" will do it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:49, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Before you starting tagging a bunch of images, keep in mind that certain logos are OK in some circumstances (eg. if small file size and used only to represent that product and nothing else). Please see WP:LOGOS and WP:NFCI and discuss on Wikimedia Commons before doing any large scale tagging.Dig Deeper (talk) 18:40, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

tool to check if cites links on blacklist

I have tried to add additional sites but continue to be block I did get a warning about some of them being on the blacklist I thought it was as result of linking from the search page rather than the source. When I checked errors in my sandbox it was approved. How can I check to see which links may be causing problems Truthitmatters (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Truthitmatters. The blacklist itself can be found at MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. The processes for requesting sites be added or removed are outlined at WP:BLACKLIST. In practice, I generally just do what you did: I try it in my Sandbox and see what happens. --Gronk Oz (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

user page

How do you create the boxs that say like:(EX) This user likes cats. ive seen others with them Catteth75 (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Catteth75. They are called userboxes. See Wikipedia:Userboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Cat-specific boxes are available at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Cats. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:29, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

And if you see a userbox that you like on somebody else's user page, you can copy that code onto yours. (That's where I got all of mine.) --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

limit on characters when adding info

I have many questions today. Is there a limit on characters when adding info to talk pages? Truthitmatters (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Truthitmatters, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any limitations. If there is a technical limitation, it is probably so big that it is not humanely possible to reach it. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:35, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

The total limit for a page is determined by mw:Manual:$wgMaxArticleSize. Wikimedia wikis use the default 2048 kilobytes = 2 MB. There is no limit on posts as long as the total page stays within this limit. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

There is also a limit of about 250 characters for the edit summary (not the edit itself), although it depends somewhat on exactly what characters are used - see Help:Edit_summary#The_250_character_limit. --Gronk Oz (talk) 19:06, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk pages are for explaining yourself. It should not be necessary to use an inordinate amount of words to make oneself understood. We have an essay called Too long; didn't read. It is partly a joke but the idea remains that others shouldn't have to read a lot of text to understand what you are trying to say. Bus stop (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Truthitmatters As someone who tends to post things that are perhaps a bit too long, long posts jammed packed with lots of information seem to often end up being ignored by other editors simply because it's too much work (so to speak) to reply to everything at once. A better approach might be to ask your questions separately in order of importance to you. This keeps all the comments for a particular question in a single talk page section and makes it easier for other editors to respond to particular questions without feeling they have to answer them all. I also suggest that you might want to try avoid flooding an article talk page with tons of new questions all at once. Maybe ask one and wait a day or two before asking another. In addition, try and remember that Wikipedians are volunteers and people do get busy, so you might not get quick responses. You can also try asking a one of Wikipedia's noticboards if your questions are more general in nature and not about specific article content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Studio Ghibli Page edit problem

Hello, I was viewing the "Studio Ghibli" page on here and noticed that "The Red Turtle" was not listed in their films, so I took it upon myself to add the film to add the film to the column table of all studio Ghibli films, the formating looks about the same as the rest of the films and I just used the formating of the rest of the films to add The Red Turtle's content. and when I previewed the edit, it looked to work film, but now the page is messed up, and the table column is way to larger and the Red Turtle section is spaced out way to far and the box is dipping down and to the left. I really want to learn formating, I done some for other sites, but nothing quite this big before, any help would be great here. thanks ~Kalo26

Here is the link to the page: Studio Ghibli — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalo26 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You had deleted the terminating characters of the table, and also confused the formatting of the reference at the end. I've corrected those in this edit. You ought to fill in more of the parameters in the {{cite web}} template for that final reference (which you inserted as a bare URL). --David Biddulph (talk) 18:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

What do <tvar> and <!-T:> mean or do ?

I was looking at the markup language in the article m:Gender gap (to try to learn how the coding works and what typing each different character means/does; after having encountered problems trying to link one of the suggested articles to somebody and trial-and-error teasing apart where the error was coming from), and I noticed things like     at the beginning of section-headers, as well as that several of the suggested articles to read contained <tvar (without a close-arrow >!!!), so I was curious what those things did to the markup (like what effect the T:(number) and such had). BUT, no amount of Googling or searching through Wikipedia answered my questions. Help:Cheatsheet suggests that the arrows "Hide text somewhere for editors", however mw:Help:Formatting, and c:File:Wiki markup cheatsheet EN.pdf seem to not provide much help either. I've kind of gleaned that it's some HTML feature, but can't seem to find any more information about what the numbers after the T do/mean, what the ! after the < and before the --T: do/mean, nor what any of the <tvar things before the website lists do.

I've been on-and-off lightly editing here and there (but don't have too much time nor confidence to do too much; see bullet-points #2 and #3 here, or, directly from the original blog-post text, from bullet-points #2 and #3 in this article from the Gender gap page) for a few years, so I have a half-decent understanding of some of these things, but can't manage to figure out what this "hidden text" and/or <tvar thing stuff are all about, how they work, why they're used, etc., so am seeking help, in order to ideally enhance my Wikipedia-editing abilities and understanding and/or confidence. PolymathGirl (talk) 07:08, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Bush6984: anything like  is an "HTML comment". It has no effect on the way the page appears to readers, or on the internal workings of Wikipedia. It was put there by an editor to inform or guide other editors, or maybe only the editor who put it there. (I have never come across <tvar>. I can't help you with what that does.) Maproom (talk) 09:07, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

I know the comments with "T:###" is a way to mark pages as translated. MetaWiki, which is a sort of global wiki that Wikimedia (the company that keeps Wikipedia's lights on) uses to communicate with everyone, among other things. Because not everyone speaks the same language, some pages have to be translated to other languages. It's my understanding that MetaWiki pages are shown in the user's default language. — Gestrid (talk) 09:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@Bush6984: They are only used in translatable pages in multilanguage wikis like meta: and commons:. Wikipedia doesn't use them since each Wikipedia language has a separate wiki. See commons:Commons:Preparing a page for translation and mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation administration. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

All good to know. Thanks y'all for all the input and guidance.

I've gathered that when y'all say "translation" that you're not meaning between one coding language to the next (e.g. HTML --> Java etc.) but rather literal human spoken-language translation, just like between e.g. English WP and German WP. That's certainly good to know, as I was thinking that the only way of translating between Wikimedia articles was by clicking over to e.g. the German page, typing out a translation, then saving it once it was ready. This concept of using HTML hints/guides is intriguing to me. Further, I thought Wikipedia was "the main thing" (even though they've sworn to never advertise), so this is news to me that Wikimedia is a company that earns the money to pay for Wikipedia. I appreciate that tidbit of education! It's good to learn that it's HTML, that it's translation-related, and that it's something that the original author may have just been using for their own reference (not necessarily relevant to any of the rest of us). In that case I guess I'm just kind of wondering "well, so as to not unnecessarily take up extra bytes of space on Wikimedia's servers, why not go back and delete those extra <T# things nowadays that they're probably not useful/helpful/functional anymore?

I was just so confused because I was expecting the <T# numbers to increase consecutively with each section or citation, but they didn't and they seemed quite all-over-the-place and disjunct, which threw me off. Thanks again for the clarification and lesson! PolymathGirl (talk) 04:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

@Bush6984: There are some misunderstandings. Do not remove translation markers. They are used both to help future translators and control the display of translated pages. Many translations are only partial and the software uses the markers to display a mix of English and translated text for partial translations. This can both happen if the original English text was never fully translated or if it makes changes which are not added to the existing translations. The syntax  is HTML for a comment where "..." can be any text which will be ignored. The MediaWiki designers chose to use the same syntax for wikitext comments. mw:Extension:Translate is not a default part of MediaWiki but can be installed by MediaWiki wikis as an extension. It has chosen to use comments for translation markers so they can be ignored by all other software than the extension itself. Such use or "misuse" of comments is common when features are added to a programming language. All edits and past revisions, even of deleted pages, are stored permanently on the servers so deleting text will actually increase total storage although it sometimes reduces other costs like cpu use and bandwidth. The Wikimedia Foundation is not a company but a non-profit charitable organization which runs Wikipedia and other wikis with funds from donations. The English Wikipedia came first and the Wikimedia Foundation was created later to help run it and get donations when it grew wildly and other wikis were added. One of the advantages of the Wikimedia Foundation is that it has a charitable status allowing donors to give tax-deductible donations in the United States and some other countries. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:38, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

How do I capitalize an article title?

Hello,

The page "Forensic psychology" should have "psychology" with a capital "P" and it is bothering me. I'm a Forensic Psychology major, and although it's not the end of the world, it bugs me that it's not properly titled. Is there a way to fix this?

Thank you.

Knowlesieruns (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Knowlesieruns, welcome to Wikipedia! As far as I can see, the title as written is correct. Wikipedia uses sentence case for the titles of articles, so the "psychology" in "Forensic psychology" would only be capitalized if the term was a proper noun, which, after a Google search, doesn't appear to be the case. That said, if you ever come across an article title that does need to be changed, you'd have to move the page, using the method here: Wikipedia:Moving a page. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 16:40, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

It is Wikipedia's style to avoid unnecessary capitalization. Wikipedia's conventions are described at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters. Different publishers etc. have their own house style. For comparison, Chicago University Press (as described in the Chicago Manual of Style, 16th edition, Section 8.84) specifies "Academic subjects are not capitalized unless they form part of a department name or an official course name ...". --Boson (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Creation of page for Rotary club

I wish to create a page for the Rotary Club of Southampton (UK). The club will be 100 years old in 2018 and I want to provide some history of the club and the people involved in it and their links to Southampton.

The main source material will be a book published in 2000, ISBN 0-9538744-0-0, but it will not be a copy/paste, just reference point. Newer information will be added, such as the names of recent presidents.

I am a member of the Club. RotarySouthampton (talk) 19:01, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@RotarySouthampton: Welcome to the Teahouse. According to Amazon, that 2000 book was published by the Rotary Club of Southampton itself. Accordingly, it is both a primary source and a self-published source, and is therefore not acceptable as a reliable, independent source for establishing notability for a Wikipedia article. In addition, your username violates our policy on usernames since it indicates that it is a shared account or an official account for an organization. We allow only individual accounts, so please change the name. Please also read an excellent essay called Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I also suggest that you read WP:BRANCH which says, "As a general rule, the individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not considered notable enough to warrant a separate article - unless they are substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area." Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:19, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I would add to Cullen328's good answer, RotarySouthampton, that your purpose sounds to be incompatible with Wikipedia's: it sounds as if you want to mark the centenary. While it is may be possible that a satisfactory Wikipedia article could be written and accepted in time for your centenary in 2018, that intention might compromise the neutrality of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 19:37, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

All, thanks for your feedback. I did read "your first article" and noted "Do not create: pages about your company" hence my question as a member of what is not a company. I did also note that there did not seem to be any club pages on Wikipedia. I will delete my Wikipedia profile tomorrow evening after getting any further feedback. I think we can live with the existing online resources that help to document our history. Thanks again.

RotarySouthampton (talk) 20:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@RotarySouthampton: You can request a new username here, if you would like to. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I hope you will stick around with a new user name to contribute to Southampton related articles. Editors are thin on the ground in Hampshire.Charles (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi RotarySouthampton There are over 5,000,000 articles on Wikipedia and all of them can probably be improved in one way or another, so like Charles posted above, Wikipedia could always use more help. You will have to change your username first per WP:ORGNAME, but this is a fairly simple request and usually does not take much time at all. If you do, however, decide to leave, then please understand that there is really no way to delete an account once it has been created. You can request that any information on your userpage be deleted per WP:UP#Deleting your user page or subpages, but the account itself is likely to remain except in certain special cases as explained in Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Answers

Hi, there are a lot of helpful people here, who answer to things politely.Can I answer on subjects which I know too?Are there any prerequisites that I must know about doing the same?Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:17, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Adityavagarwal, there is no formal requirement for answering questions, either here or on similar boards like Wikipedia:Help desk. However, it is very important that people only answer questions they know the answer to. Doing otherwise will likely be confusing and frustrating to users who are probably here to begin with because they are confused and frustrated.

As a fairly new user, it is likely you won't know the answer to many questions. I've been around WP for about eight years, and I still have to skip over some more technical questions. However, there are often questions I think I know the answer to, and so I have to go and find out, which helps the people who are asking, and also helps me better familiarize myself with Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. TimothyJosephWood 15:34, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Adityavagarwal, this page is specifically for questions about editing Wikipedia, not for general questions about whatever a person's areas of expertise might be. (See the note in the top right of the page header when you open the page (not while you're editing it): "Welcome to the Teahouse! A friendly place to learn about editing Wikipedia." If you want to help with things you are knowledgeable about, you could look for WikiProjects relating to those subjects. There are nearly 2500 WikiProjects, not all of them active. The list is here; you can change the sort order by clicking on the up-and-down-triangles icons in the column headers. --Thnidu (talk) 03:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Celebration Bowl

I want to add that ABC is the television partner of the Celebration Bowl in the feature box at the top of the Celebration Bowl page, but I've been unable to do so. Here is my edit | television_partner = American Broadcasting Channel

If some could help, I would appreciate it. RaEdits RaEdits (talk) 12:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you look at Template:Infobox college football bowl game (which is where {{Collegebowl}} redirects), you'll see that there isn't a parameter called "television_partner", so that's why it doesn't display. Note also that American Broadcasting Channel in your question is a redlink, because no such article exists. Did you mean American Broadcasting Company? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:54, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes David, I meant American Broadcasting Company. Also, thank you for directing me to the correct template.

RaEdits (talk) 13:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Question About Rewriting an Article

Hi, I am very new to Wikipedia. I edited very heavily (rewrote) an article on the Bowers Museum that has disappeared. Obviously I did not do things properly. Can my version be restored or do I need to start all over again? I am sure the research was good and the references are all there. Nevertheless, I clearly did not do something I should have. What is the proper approach to rewriting an article that needed a lot of improvement? Thank you so much for your input. Susan M Anderson (talk) 21:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Editor The Banner reverted your edits because they seemed to be promotional material more suited to a leaflet advertising the museum than to an encyclopaedia. If you have some connection with the museum then you ought to declare it. Perhaps you could discuss your changes on the talk page of the article? Probably some of it could be restored. Dbfirs 21:44, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

The thing to realise, Susan M Anderson, is that Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything that an organisation, or its employees, agents, or associates, say or have said about it. Nothing. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have published about it in reliable places. Furthermore, no Wikipedia article anywhere should ever contain language like "provide insight into the world of art as a transformative, cultural experience" unless it is directly quoting an independent reliable source that has said this about the subject. (Actually, in my view the language that The Banner restored in that paragraph - "provides an opportunity to examine cultures of the world" is only somewhat better). --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your input ColinFine and Dbfirs. The information included in my entry is very similar to entries for the Metropolitan Museum of Art or Los Angeles Museum of Art. I am not a staff member of the museum, but have organized exhibitions for them as a guest curator. Knowing that I have written a couple of articles on Wikipedia they asked me to work on their entry. I am happy to remove the "promotional material" but to remove a whole article without any word to the author seems harsh, and not very productive. I would very much like to know what is considered promotional and what is not. I have not seen the rewritten sentence suggested by The Banner you referred to. I do not know where to find it but will now go search. Susan M Anderson (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

To answer your question about what is considered promotional, I would recommend reading Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Writting in Neutral Point of View. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dig deeper (talk • contribs) 04:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Susan M Anderson. Comparing other articles is usually a bad idea, unless the article you are comparing with has been given Good article or Featured article status: many of our five million articles are substandard, unfortunately. In general, if you have worked with the museum, you are discouraged from working on an article about it, precisely because it may be hard for you to see what is promotional and what isn't. The example I quoted says nothing objective about the collection, and is entirely evaluation or interpretation, and so does not belong in any Wikipedia article in Wikipedia's voice. The replacement sentence I referred to is not one written by The Banner, I believe, but just what was there in the version they reverted to: "provides an opportunity to examine cultures of the world" - this is less promotional than your words, but is still an interpretation, not an objective statement. I see that there has been considerable work on the article since this exchange, by you and others. Well done. --ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

ColinFine and Dbfirs thank you for your remarks. I am a museum professional that has worked as a staff member or guest curator throughout southern California. I think looking at a museum professional as the wrong person to write a museum article is like saying no specialist in Chicano art should write articles on Chicano artists. There are standard approaches to how museums' Wikipedia articles have been written; it makes sense to be consistent and follow the format that others are following, so I believe it can be productive to look at other museums' entries. I have never seen one that was considered a Featured Article. Probably won't happen as they are usually pretty straightforward. Also, museum articles are chock full of images, unlike many other sites; this makes sense as museums are largely repositories of visual culture. It is wonderful to be in contact with people here on Wikipedia; you obviously care and are concerned with keeping the articles factual and well-researched. Bravo!Susan M Anderson (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Being straightforward shouldn't be a barrier to featured article status, Susan M Anderson. There are a couple of museums and a gallery listed at Wikipedia:Featured articles#Art, architecture, and archaeology if you're looking for examples. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Cordless Larry I agree. You are right. Straightforward is not the issue. It is just that articles about museums are not exciting in any way nor do they appeal to a "pop audience." They are meant to direct the public to the institution, which is unlike other Wikipedia articles really. The only museum I see on the list you sent the link for is a museum that a private individual opened called The Museum of Bad Art. Museums opened by private individuals are almost always what are considered "vanity museums." The article is interesting but to the average museum professional it might raise a red flag. I am not saying it is not legit. But I wonder if anyone really went over that article with a fine-toothed climb like they did mine. Thank you for letting me know about that helpful section of Wikipedia. It really is interesting to see what has been considered exceptional in some way. Now I wonder how those articles rise to the top. Susan M Anderson (talk) 21:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

There's also Icelandic Phallological Museum, Susan M Anderson. I wouldn't say that the featured article process rewards articles appealing to a "pop audience", and the quality criteria are quite strict. Of course, in some cases the FA review will have been some time ago and the article might have changed a lot since - you can check this on the article's talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Cordless Larry Another remarkable museum, much more interesting than most, at least to some--a museum containing a collection of more than two hundred and fifteen penises and penile parts belonging to almost all the land and sea mammals that can be found in Iceland. Good work finding a museum entry that is exactly what I'm talking about, sir. haha I am not sure what your point is. But I am beginning to feel harassed by you rather than helped.Susan M Anderson (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I was just trying to help you find some FA-class articles on museums, Susan M Anderson, since you said you couldn't find any. I'm sorry if that came across as harassment. Unfortunately those two rather unusual ones seem to be the only two. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:51, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I've also just found Wikipedia:Good articles/Art and architecture#Museums and galleries. The GA criteria and process are quite a bit less strict than the FA ones, in my experience, but there might be some good examples there. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:12, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Cordless Larry, thank you for the link to good museum sites. Will take a look. Susan M Anderson (talk) 16:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Need Help

Can someone help me writing articles please. I am screwed here. This is almost the 100th time I am trying to write an article.

Nikitasundaram (talk) 13:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Nikitasundaram. Looking at the draft in your sandbox, the immediate problem is that there are no references. Content on Wikipedia must be verifiable to readers. This is done by including reliable sources in articles to ensure that the content is supported and not the original work or thought of Wikipedia editors.

Poking around the internet, it looks like there's been hardly any news coverage of the organization, and very little coverage in English overall. If there are reliable sources available in non-English languages, this is perfectly acceptable for the purposes of Wikipedia. If there is not, this is likely due to the fact that the organization seems to have been founded in 2016, and it may simply be too soon for it to have garnered enough coverage in reliable sources to justify its own Wikipedia article.

As a rule, Wikipedia doesn't decide what topics are notable enough for their own article. Instead, the sources we use decide what is and is not worth writing about, and we then use their judgement to justify whether a subject should be included here. It may be very likely that in six or twelve months the organization may have gotten enough attention for its own article, but until it has, there's not very much Wikipedia can do with the subject. TimothyJosephWood 13:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

User:Nikitasundaram - You say that this is almost the 100th time you are trying to write an article. Is that merely an exaggeration, or have you tried to submit the article using other user names (which is normally not permitted), or have you previously been editing under an IP address or a shifting IP address? I am aware that some editors find getting drafts approved frustrating, but some regular editors find exaggeration annoying and don't think that it helps. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Need help writing an article

I have tried without success to write a bio wiki page for Ras Klamps a Jamaican born musician. His contribution to reggae music is relevant. I most likely need help writing the article as I am not a writer nor good at navigating the Wiki format. Thanks for your assistanceRasKlamps (talk) 06:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You need to read the advice which you were given more than a month ago on your user talk page, particularly WP:Your first article and the reasons why your previous attempt to create the article Ras Klamps was deleted. You also need to read about autobiography and conflict of interest. Your current draft will be declined because it has no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject to demonstrate notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

One thing to remember, RasKlamps, is that Wikipedia has essentially no interest whatever in anything that anybody says about themselves, or that their friends, relatives, employees, agents, or associates say about them. Nothing. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have published about them in reliable places, such as major newspapers or books from reputable publishers. In an article about a living person, every single piece of information should be cited to a reliable published source, and nearly all of it to sources completely independent of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

One more thing to remember is that referring to yourself in the third person is not helpful, especially if your username and article name are the same. It simply makes some experienced editors think that you are trying to slip promotion past us (which I assume is not your intention). Robert McClenon (talk) 17:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Moving a section of a page

There is the section "Cot-caught merger" on the page "Phonological history of English low back vowels". On the page's corresponding talk page, someone made a request that this section be on its own page. I would like to take up the task myself. I wish to move the section of the page to its own article. I have seen it done before, e.g. "New Jersey English." Does anybody know how? Thank you.LakeKayak (talk) 03:51, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi LakeKayak, welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikipedia:Splitting, and Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects since Cot-caught merger is currently a redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I do thank you, Prime Hunter. It took some time but with help from other users I was able to split cot-caught merger onto its own page.LakeKayak (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding regional films

Hi its my first time being here on teahouse i wanna ask the experts and volunteers here about some of the problems i am facing. My intension is to expand the reach of wikipedia to every language i know. I have been writing an article on film named Tu Maza Jeev which is a regional film i have added almost 6 sources that the film exits still my article is nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. How can a regional film have large coverage ? so please help me in this matters as it's critical --†Ïv㉫Ǹ Ｇ✿Ǹ＄Aしv㉫＄ 13:08, 12 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiven2240 (talk • contribs)

Tiven2240: no-one doubts that the film exists. What is in doubt is whether it is notable, in the sense that word is used here. If the film doesn't have large coverage, it probably isn't notable.

By the way – it would help non-Indian speakers of English to understand the drafts you are writing if you made the phrase "East Indian" into a link to East Indians the first time you used it in each draft. I was quite surprised to learn that East Indians all live on or near the west coast of India, until I looked at that article. Maproom (talk) 19:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Mathematics Article Creation Assistance Request

Hello Wikipedia,

In 2011 I formulated a simple mathematical formula that inverts two positive whole values into reciprocal notation and launches them through a process to find for the product of their multiplication. The formula and process was named and copyrighted as Pythagorean D and I would like to create an article on Wikipedia. The implementing of the formula subsequently also led to the discovery of a decimal axis and will need some help in making this article substantial enough that more people will explore Pythagorean D and it's many potential becomings beyond. Is there anyone that can provide the assistance needed to make this available to the world by Wikipedia? I have a smartphone, a pencil, eraser, ruler and experience with Pythagorean D...beyond that I would need to walk many miles, eat ham sandwiches and probably drink a bottle of Sprite in order to utilize the city library for scanning and editing. The formula is exampled below.

(6•4): 6 - 4 = 2 [z] 1/4 - 1/6 = 1/12 [k]

Z ÷ K = 24

The incorporation of a decimal axis on(at least) the X plane allows for precision plotting of, not only the product of 24, but also the infinitely repeating (1/6) value. The discovery is substantial and significant to real life applications and deserves to be further explored.

Dustin°•. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhomShallBe (talk • contribs) 23:24, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Is this WP:original research? As explained in that article, if it your own work then you need to find somewhere else to publish it. Wikipedia only records what is already published in WP:reliable sources. Google doesn't seem to know about your discovery. Dbfirs 00:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Dustin. The identity

 ${(x-y) \over (1/y-1/x)}\equiv {(x-y) \over (x/xy-y/xy)}\equiv {(x-y) \over ((x-y)/xy)}\equiv xy$

hardly seems to merit a Wikipedia article. But in any case it will not do so unless multiple reliable sources, indpependent of you, discuss it. --ColinFine (talk) 19:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

ColinFine, although this formula alone may not warrant an article, the implementation of the decimal axis certainly adds a basis to substantial reason. In light of Wikipedia requirements, pertaining to source accreditation, Pythagorean D will thence need to be published.

On the positive side of the X-axis, at the point of the first whole unit(1), construct a line segment northward, equal to one whole measure, terminating at zero. From this terminal point construct another segment eastward with respective whole values. Plotting points (1/4) and (1/6) above the X-axis then provides the necessary course for reaching the product of (4•6). The secondary horizontal axis is used for locating the result of division. (1/4) and (1/6) are plotted above the unit 4 and also the unit 6(four plotted points in the space between the X-axis and the secondary). It is [1/6 above 4 connecting through 1/4 above 6] that meets the product (24) on the X-axis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhomShallBe (talk • contribs) 18:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

WhomShallBe (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

What markup is used to point to a page in a different language wiki?

Tfore (talk) 19:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Tfore. It depends on where you are linking. See Help:Interwiki linking. TimothyJosephWood 19:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

If I were working on an article in en:Wikipedia, and I wanted to link to the German-language article on Michael Croissant (because there isn't yet an English-language version), I would do it like this {{Ill|Michael Croissant|de}}, to produce this: Michael Croissant [de]. Maproom (talk) 22:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

It's about a Wikipedia Page

I have right a wikipedia Page of a football player named: Barkley MIGUEL PANZO, i have put the link and ect.. but they still righting "This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find link tool for suggestions. (December 2016)" If someone could help i will be happy,

the URL of the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkley_Miguel_Panzo

Thanks you all Adjana99 (talk) 01:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Adjana99. Ideally, we want Wikipedia articles to link to each other, so that interested readers can follow articles they're reading to other articles that are related, and which add context and additional information. All this tag means is that no other articles currently link to the one you just created. Usually this can be fixed by searching for articles containing the name of the new article, and adding Wikilinks by using brackets around the name of your article, so that it looks like [[Berkley Miguel Panzo]]. TimothyJosephWood 01:49, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Help!

I try to convert a file to vector, Nuvola apps info.png, but it finishes in black and white. How I can make it full-color? GXXF T • C 17:32, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

It sounds like you are trying to trace an image using Inkscape. You should change the setting to Multiple scans..., Colors. If you are using a different program, there is probably a similar setting. Just a word of warning: automatic tracing programs are not very efficient, and you will have to edit the paths manually. In the future, you would probably get a better response at Wikipedia talk:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop. --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 21:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

NO! I dont't have any vectorizer. I used an online website. GXXF T • C 22:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

@GXXF: Ok, there should still be a setting regarding colors somewhere. I highly recommend using Inkscape for this, as it allows you to edit the SVG right after you trace it. If you want to use the website, I'll have to know which one you are using to be able to help you. --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 02:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

It's about a Wikipedia Page

Thanks Timothyjosephwood, I have find articles, can you have a look on the page Barkley Miguel Panzo and help me to see if everything is ok now please ?

Thanks you for the answers

Adjana99 Adjana99 (talk) 06:53, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Adjana99: I think (I don't know for sure) that playing on a national football team is enough to establish notability for a footballer. But there's still room for improvement. The English is not good. I can't understand the third sentence "he was selected to integrate an academy like Clairefontaine (football)": how do you integrate an academy? and was it actually Clairefontaine, or just some similar academy? Also, the citations need improving, they are all just to bare URLs at present. Maproom (talk) 09:45, 13 December 2016 (UTC)