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Need some guidance

I wanted to contribute to an article, and tried to restore productive content from other editors recently removed by an old edit-warrior. Reviewed page history, and tried filing it on a noticeboard. Did I do it correctly? JustAGal2 (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi! I've just taken a quick look. I assume you're talking about Clemson Tigers football? The article has now been protected as a result of your filing at WP:AN/EW. It looks like you're attempting to remove a few paragraphs of text in this edit and this edit, but your edit summaries imply the change is something else. That doesn't look good: editors should try to assume good faith, but many editors will take that as you trying to hide the changes you're making, and that makes it much harder to assume good faith. Further, I don't understand why you're removing the content – it looks (at a very quick glance) to be relevant and well sourced.
I'd suggest that, even after the page protection has expired, you try discussing any content you propose to remove on the article talk page before actually removing it, and if/when you do remove content, you explain why you're doing it in the edit summary. That's much less likely to result in further edit warring.
—me_and 13:55, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. All I did in actuality was "re-add" earlier edits that were removed by the user I reported, before I continued to edit. Was I wrong to restore something also sourced, that was removed falsely by someone else in the prior edits? I put those diffs in the report. I guess I should have been more clear about what I was restoring, or "adding"? JustAGal2 (talk) 02:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Looking at this edit, for example, which has an edit summary of "re-adding awards", you added a paragraph starting "Recently, in 2015, Clemson has had a Heisman Trophy finalist...", but also removed a significant chunk of text from the "Danny Ford era (1978–1989)" section, starting with "This sanction was enforced...". I believe that's what they're complaining about in this edit summary.
When you say all you did was "re-add earlier edits", do you mean you didn't mean to remove that content? As I said above, removing content without noting it in the edit summary looks duplicitous, even if it wasn't intended to be.
—me_and 11:19, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

CSD tag removal

Hi, what does one do when a non-admin user other than the user who made a page removes CSD tags without addressing the issue with the page? Should this be discussed first, or should the tag(s) be reinstated, and it be discussed afterwards? Thanks, Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 09:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Rubbish computer. Speedy deletion is a process for uncontroversial deletions. If a CSD tag is removed by someone other than the creator, then the matter is clearly not uncontroversial. There should be a deletion debate. Although improving the article is wise and advisable, it is not mandatory. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 11:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
@Cullen328: Thanks! Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 12:34, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Editing help

please help editing the article at the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenal_Literature:_A_Global_Journal_Devoted_to_Language_and_Literature Prinshukr (talk) 11:41, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

What kind of help?
Looking at the article, I see that you need to cite multiple, unaffiliated, non-primary, professionally published mainstream academic or journalistic sources describing the article's subject. In other words, you need to cite some books or newspapers that describe the journal. Anything by WordPress fails our reliable sourcing standards, and nothing affiliated with the journal can be used to demonstrate that the journal is noteworthy. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:58, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
@Prinshukr: You can also link an article faster by writing [[Example]]. Thanks, Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 12:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Declined as individual not notable enough

Hi there, you kindly offered to lend a hand as I'm totally new at this. I'm trying to submit an entry about The Vice-Dean of Chester Cathedral and was told he isn't notable enough. He is a very senior priest and reverend canon within the C of E, and the Dean, already has an entry. What am I doing wrong? Many thanks.DevaWerburgh (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, @DevaWerburgh:, and welcome to the Teahouse. Within Wikipedia, the term "notability" is used with a particular meaning, as described in the article WP:NOTABILITY. Basically, it all depends on being able to provide in-depth coverage of the subject in several independent, reliable sources. Wikipedia articles live or die on the strength of their references, so you should start by collecting articles about him in newspapers, magazines and journals, books written about him, television and radio coverage (where it is verifiable) etc.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) - Convenience link Draft:Peter Howell-Jones
Hello DevaWerburgh - As it clearly states in the reason for refusal"
"This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule"
So far, you have cited no references whatsoever, you have added an external link to [http:www.chestercathedral.com], but that, clearly, is not "independent of the subject"
Which reliable, independent sources have given Peter Howell-Jones "significant coverage" - not just mentions in passing or inclusions on lists? You need to find these sources and cite them (see Help:Referencing for beginners for how to cite references.
If he has not received such coverage, he fails the golden rule and there cannot be a Wikipedia article about him - Arjayay (talk) 15:04, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

User:Ashwinbhajan/sandbox

I reviewed User:Ashwinbhajan/sandbox and declined it as lacking in adequate references. One of the references is the company’s own, and the other two didn’t appear relevant. I also put a copy-edit tag on the article. I now have a malformed comment on my talk page from User: Ashwinbhajan. It doesn't ask anything specific, but I assume that he or she meant to ask why the sandbox was declined. Can some other experienced editor review the sandbox and either explain to its author why it needs improvement, or explain to me why I should have accepted it? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Ahmed Saad Al-Azhari

A little bit of history: I created a page for an individual known as Ahmed Saad Al-Azhari, however as I didn't want to forget my username for this project, I inappropriately used a username that connected me to the subject. I even admit this in a conversation with an administrator when using the ahmedsaad.ihsaninstitute username. Anyway, the account has been rightly deleted

I still feel there should be an article on this chap so I have re-written it (previous attempts used too many references from the chaps website). Please let me know what you think. I am trying not to make it promotional, however I feel there needs to be an article on him due to his media appearances and influence in combating extremism. I have also been made aware that I have used rotting links, however I am trying to reference the BBC's program called 'Doha Debates' which Ahmed Saad appeared on, however the link is dead, and the only refereces that seem available are from you tube. Shall I just stick to the you tube links when citing the doha debates?

Feel free to give me any other advice.

Thank you for your time. Please also see the logs under the blocked username ahmedsaad.ihsaninstitute Imran 108 (talk) 19:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I would like to add, should the administrators become satified with the validity of the article, could you please offer any advice in suggesting how the article can appear among the top hits on google? If i type 'ahmed saad al azhari' in google, there is a load of stuff om him, however it all seems promotional, therefore I was hoping that a well referenced, unbiased article would be needed among those hits.

Also, I was thinking on adding a picture - can you direct me to some instructions where I can add a picture of him?

thank youImran 108 (talk) 21:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Re your Google and image questions: we really aren't concerned with Google rankings, we are here to build an encyclopedia.
  • If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
  • If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 01:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Imran 108: in answer to your question about YouTube: It is sometimes acceptable to link to a YouTube video, but only in limited circumstances:
  • Only if it is clear that the video in question does not contravene copyright. Many videos on YouTube are clearly copyright violations, and Wikipedia articles may not link to them. It looks to me as if "The Doha Debates" Channel on YouTube is an official channel for them, and so the videos are authorised by the copyright holders; but I couldn't find a clear statement to that effect. If you can show that they are authorised, then it is permissible to link to them.
  • Assuming that the copyright question is satisfactorily answered, then there is the question of how you are going to link to the video. The use of external links in articles is quite limited, except for links to sources for references.
  • It is permissible to cite an interview, but please be aware that that is a primary, non-independent source, and can be used only to support certain kinds of information. It cannot contribute to notability.
Finally, I acknowledge that you say that you are trying not to make it too promotional; but asking about Google rankings suggests to me that you are here to tell the world about Al-Azhari. That is what "promotion" means. Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about anything or anybody: it is here to summarise the telling-the-world that has already been done about a subject by people unconnected with the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Noad Lahat's location of birth

Can someone take a look at the talk page of Noad Lahat? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Noad_Lahat I asked the question and was about to make the change myself, but then I checked the page history and found there has been a low intensity edit war going on. Noad Lahat's location of birth is "Alfei Menashe, West Bank" (a settlement that is), but is listed as "Alfei Menashe, Israel". Can someone solve this? Thanks in advance! ImTheIP (talk) 02:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, ImTheIP. Please be aware that the Arbitration Committee has imposed discretionary sanctions on all editing pertaining to the Israel/Palestine conflict, and anyone who engages in edit warring concerning such matters risks being blocked. Regarding the specific issue, I think that the precedent set at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem should be followed. Jerusalem is obviously much larger than Alfei Menashe, but neither should be described in the infobox as being part of Israel, Palestine or the West Bank. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:05, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
But Jerusalem straddles the border of the West Bank and Israel. Alfei Menashe is entirely within it. The page for Alfei Menashe says itself that it is in the West Bank, it is just Noad Lahat's page that is wrong. All media sources I've found about the fighet says he is from the West Bank: http://www.timesofisrael.com/mma-fighter-invokes-shoah-after-win/, https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Noad_Lahat.html, http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/72445/israeli-ultimate-fighter-leaves-san-jose-for-gaza-operation/ Also because I've started a discussion on the talk page and no one has been willing to refute my arguments, doesn't that mean I am allowed to change the text? ImTheIP (talk) 18:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Creating a Wikipedia Page/Adding to one

Ok so I'm obviously new to this Wikipedia thing because I'm not even sure how to reply to my own thread. I'm wanting to either create a Wikipedia page on "Effects of microbeads on Canadian lakes and environment," and I've been told it would be better to add to the "Microbead" page which already exists. I have written this paper myself for school, but it is encyclopedic and formal with all the requirements of a proper Wikipedia page. The information includes onlyl Canadian examples and research, which is why I thought it should be its own stub. It also includes the Federal and Provincial solutions and proposals to solving the problems of microbeads (all properly cited, of course). Should I just try and create this as a new Wikipedia stub/page and they will put it onto the already existing "microbead" page if they feel it should not be its own page, or is there a way I can try to just add my information to the already existing page? Thanks to all whole reply :) Aidannoval (talk) 06:24, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Aidannoval. You asked a very similar question earlier, and I am not sure if I can say much new. It is wise in most cases for a new editor to spend some time editing existing articles rather than beginning new articles, because it is very difficult (though not impossible) for a very new editor to create a new article successfully.
The first question that comes to mind is whether or not this is really a discrete topic worthy of a separate article. Is the microbead problem in Canadian lakes significantly different from that in American lakes in adjoining states along the US - Canadian border? If not, have you just selected information about Canadian lakes and excluded similar information about lakes in other countries? If so, your article is probably original research which we do not publish on Wikipedia. Please read Your first article. Another thing that comes to mind is what you are describing is far more than a stub. In 2016, we should be striving to write articles that are far better than stubs.
I looked at your edit history and see no edits to a sandbox or a draft article. I am assuming that you are working on this possible article off Wikipedia. Please keep in mind that this is a collaborative project. If there was a draft somewhere here on Wikipedia, I could offer you far more specific advice. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
To reply as part of the original thread you started, Aidannoval, scroll down to its heading, #Is my topic okay to go on Wikipedia? and click the "edit" button next to that heading. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
how would I add a significant but short addition to an article. Specifically the article on the song,"happy days are here again"'was used in 1932 asa campaign son by both FDR and Adolph Hitler. In the movie,"Triumph of the Will' Hitler and his entourage are shown singing the song on an airplane during his largely air born 1932 Nazi party campaign tour. If nothing else this seems an ironic coincidence. Tom Mulroy174.102.159.196 (talk) 03:57, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Post this information on Talk:Happy Days Are Here Again and give a reliable source. It is possible that the movie itself is a source, but the requirements to cite a movie are more detailed than what you would usually have.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

How do I make a disambiguation page?

Help please! I need to make a disambiguation page with the title "Trampolene" so that people searching for the band Trampolene can be directed to "Trampolene_(Band)" instead of "Trampolene" a song by Julian Cope, which they are named after. I have read articles about how to write the page but please can someone explain how I would actually start the page and redirect the song so that searches don't automatically go there. Stripeyjane (talk) 22:22, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Stripeyjane. We actually already have a disambiguation page for trampolines, at Trampoline (disambiguation). Does that do what you were looking for? Cordless Larry (talk) 22:33, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
@Cordless Larry: No, they're talking about Trampolene (the song) and Trampolene (band)- they want Trampolene (band) moved to Trampolene I think (or Trampolene to be a disambiguation page for the song & the band).
Personally I think the best thing to do is move Trampolene to Trampolene (song), redirect Trampolene to Trampoline (disambiguation), and add Trampolene (band) to Trampoline (disambiguation). Joseph2302 (talk) 22:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
No! It's Trampolene spelt "Trampolene"! It's 1) a band 2) a song - both spelt that way - not the bouncy thing!! Thanks for your reply though Stripeyjane (talk) 22:36, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Since both listings are variant spellings of a word that has multiple meanings, and one is already on the disambiguation page, I will add the other one to the Trampoline (disambiguation) page. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Also, and someone may object, I've created Trampolene (disambiguation) as a redirect for a non-implausible misspelling. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:44, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Joseph2302's idea. Trampolene as a misspelling of trampoline may even by the primary topic and its redirect should be pointed directly to Trampoline but I think pointing it at the DAB page is a good compromise. For the moment, I've added a hatnote to the article on the song capturing the misspelling and the band, but that would have to change if this was implemented.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:48, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, even if it's really confusing with the spelling. As long as people searching for the band page can get to it!! Stripeyjane (talk) 23:09, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Author of book

Hello! I wanted to know if authors get written a biography in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.35.7.27 (talk) 22:55, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Only if they are notable – in the secial sense we use that word to mean the world taking note of a topic by writing about it substantively (not just mere mentions) in reliable, secondary sources that are entirely independent of the topic. See also WP:AUTHOR for a subject-specific guideline on notability of authors (though I personally believe all the subject specific guidelines should be deleted). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:18, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Template or Note to add for reference URL that leads to unrelated site?

Hello,

I just noticed a reference section URL link that leads to a website unrelated to the article content. What is the correct tag/flag/note to add so that readers are aware of the problem and/or editors can address the problem? (And where should that be added?)

The article is One Direction, the reference is #105. It looks like the reference should link to a page devoted to an event; instead it links to a jewelry broker's site.

Thank you for your help! Laatu (talk) 13:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

The URL in question is http://www.1dday.com/ which is supposed to link to a site about "1 D Day" - a day dedicated to One Direction fans - but instead is about a jeweller. I would be tempted just to delete the offending reference, since there is already another reference to support that statement.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:06, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I've added an archive link. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:16, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you David Biddulph, that is very helpful. For future reference & to help me learn how things work, IF an archived page for that reference were not available, what would the correct procedure be...delete that reference? add a flag (and if so, which one)? other?
Laatu (talk) 14:24, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Link rot tells you what to do, including where to place the {{dead link}} tag if necessary. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
That's very helpful. Thank you ! Laatu (talk) 04:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

How can I submit an article on a credible subject but that does not have enough published references?

Hello,

I am writing an article on an ancient healing method that is very effective and verifiable through standard medical reports. However there is not much in terms of published information available on the subject. There are however medical reports of practitioners that corroborate results.

How do I get this article published?

Regards, Vishakha 1.23.72.46 (talk) 16:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Please clarify. How is the effectiveness verifiable through standard medical reports if there is not much published information? Please explain. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Further to Robert's comment, Wikipedia policy dictates that we are not interested in whether a "healing method" is effective, but rather whether it has been covered in some depth by independent, reliable, published sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:20, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I would reword that. We only consider a healing method verifiably effective if its effectiveness has been covered by independent reliable published sources. However, the original poster's question seems to be contradictory. If the healing method is verifiable through standard medical reports (reliable sources), how is there not much published information? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Indeed - though we could also have an article about an ineffective method, so long as it was documented in reliable sources. The point being, effectiveness isn't the issue but rather sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
True. We have lots of articles on pseudo-science and quackery. However, to the original poster, there seems to be a contradiction between saying that there is not much published information and that the effectiveness is verifiable through standard medical reports. I would still like the original poster to clarify. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:53, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you all for your response. It has helped clarify my thoughts better. To answer your question about my contradictory views on published material; I considered published material as articles etc.. that are published by say a book or journal. I did not know if practitioner's medical reports could be considered as published material. From the comments above it seems like these reports can be considered as references and that is heartening. I'd like to rewrite my article and back it with all the references I have.

Regards, Vishakha Atmayogachennai (talk) 05:55, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Medical records that doctors keep on their patients would not be an acceptable source, Atmayogachennai (and I don't know how you would have access to them). Only published medical reports (for example, in a medical journal) would be acceptable here. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I would like to create a post and like the idea of learning the forum rules

Hello. I am new to this area of Wiki... I first want to thank you for your kind invitation to learn. I suffer from lack of time to spend on such sites as I work two jobs. So, please forgive me in advance for any lack of knowledge that I currently do not posses on these matters.

I have a site that is almost all about "Events" and want to share the site on Wiki. So the first question is can I do that?

The next question is right up your alley. That is how to go about editing comments. Am I allowed to share the url here?

Kind regards, WolfieLoneWolf95665 (talk) 17:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Wolfie, I'm not sure that your website would be regarded as a WP:reliable source in the Wikipedia sense, where we prefer to cite sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy published in print or broadcast by an established organisation. That's not to say that your website has anything wrong with it, just that we don't usually cite this type of source. When you edit articles, you should normally cite such reliable sources using a citation template or a similar format. Dbfirs 18:40, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure that LoneWolf95665 is proposing to use the website concerned as a source, but rather to create a Wikipedia article about it. Is that correct, LoneWolf95665? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Ah, yes, now that I've read the sandbox, I think you are correct. We now run up against notability in the Wikipedia sense. Dbfirs 22:36, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse Wolfie. In order to qualify for an article in Wikipedia a subject must be notable, which we define as significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Has whatshappeningtoday.com received such coverage (like for example articles in the San Francisco Chronicle)? If not an article about it would not be accepted.
If that doesn’t discourage you, please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Since whatshappeningtoday.com is your website, you are “strongly discouraged” from writing an article about it. Wikipedia is not for getting the word out.
If you are still not discouraged, please read Wikipedia:Your first article. —teb728 t c 23:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
IN as much as I see the discouragement sent in your citations I do offer such legal and verifiable information as that which resides with the United States Trade Mark and Patent Office. http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4807:pqu5j.2.1.

As for other sources of verification we offer also the registrar of Wild West domains on the who is.

Beginning March of 2016 we will begin running radio advertisements promoting the site with KVGCradio in Jackson California.

And as for conflict of interest maybe I should ask if a newspaper reporter from a small town would be able to write a non-biased, non-conflict of interest wiki. "Who wrote the one for Facebook?"

I am not discouraged as to my efforts in marketing the site. As I mentioned I wanted to see how Wiki was used and was forthright in the beginning as to being a novice.

This all smacks of "snobishness" and control of history and facts. Kind of like what is not shared here on what happened to the American Indians.. hmmm boycott.. wiki? Well.. I guess I do not need to donate the thousands any longer. So now I am not discouraged. LoneWolf95665 (talk) 07:32, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm sure that you appreciate the need for us to have some rules here at Wikipedia, LoneWolf95665. One of those is that in order to demonstrate that it is possible to write a neutral article about a topic, we need to have independent sources about it. A radio advertisement for a product or website is not an independent source. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

How to move sandbox content to another from a newly established account?

How do one move their sandbox article content to another page? Sedique (talk) 04:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Sedique If this is about User:Sedique/sandbox, Wikipedia already has an article on that subject at Maker culture. Please read Wikipedia:Your first article. One of the things it teaches is to check first that there is not already an article on your subject. —teb728 t c 09:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Can you please suggest how can I modify my work that has been declined previously?

My article was declined by the reviewer. I appreciate the decision and want to make my article more appropriate for wikipedia. Need your assistance in this regard. If you please highlight the words and phrases which I should change, it would be easier for me to edit. Thank you in advance. Drabantika17 (talk) 06:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. It is always useful in such questions if you give a wikilink to the article in question. In this case I guess that you might be referring to Draft:Ranajit Das? One of the problems is that although you have a list of bare urls in a "References" section, you haven't given any indication as to which parts of the text of the article are supported by which of the "references". We do that by footnotes, and an explanation of how to do it is given at WP:Referencing for beginners. One example of unencyclopedic and promotional language is "A poet, not just a poet, rather to say an activist of words and thought, Ranajit has bought a unique genre in Bengali poetry of modern era. His non-fictional prose pieces are popularly accepted for the content, diction and analysis as well." Another is the whole of the section at Draft:Ranajit Das#Philosophical and Political thoughts:. I have added a number of useful links to your user talk page, and in particular you should read WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:40, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Drabantika17: you have uploaded an image of a book cover, claiming it as "own work". The photography may be your own work, but I doubt that the book cover is. I fear that this image may have to be removed from Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 10:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

The page The Cuckoo (song) has a footnote with an external link that has rotted. However, the external site has been archived to another site, so a replacement link is possible to the same content. What's the correct way to fix this?

The current reference at the end of the page reads: 

 "The Cuckoo". Folkinfo. June 8, 2006. Retrieved 2009-01-02.
  1. Silently change the link destination?
  2. Change the destination, lose the information that the destination is part of the now-defunct "Folkinfo" site?
  3. Add a few words noting that the site is now archived at this other link?

And what is the correct style for making the change using the {{cite}} syntax?

Thanks,

Eac2222 (talk) 14:11, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey Eac2222. That citation uses the template {{cite web}}. If you click on that linked template, you'll see it has documentation. Under Examples, see the documentation for Using "archive-url" and "archive-date" (and optionally "dead-url") for webpages that have been archived. See also the later section under URL. If you have any problem after reading that, please ask. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Fuhghettaboutit -- thanks! I hadn't thought of looking for doc in the template. I think I've got the page right now.
Eac2222 (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Creating article on username talk page - word count?

Hi all, new to Wikipedia :) Just wondering if it is possible to see a character count when writing a new section on your username talk page? Any help much appreciated Lyndzcmedia (talk) 13:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lyndzcmedia. I know of no native ability to do this, but you could always hit preview, then copy and paste into a character counter such as this one. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether this is what you're looking for, @Lyndzcmedia:, but if you go to the "View history" section, it shows how the character count of the page changed with each edit. So when I look at the history entry related to your question above, it says (+319)‎ - you added 319 characters in that new section.--Gronk Oz (talk) 17:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Hey @Lyndzcmedia, might sound a bit silly bit you could copy and paste the text to a word document and check it there. KerryFromThePub (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

How Do I Use Text As A Hyperlink?

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with making text into a hyperlink to something? For instance I want to mention a news article, and link it using the person involved's name. How would I do that?

Thanks!

KerryFromThePub (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, KerryFromThePub. You can create a new reference to the online newspaper article, and there are several different methods to do so, explained at Referencing for beginners. I use fill-in-the-blank Citation templates, which contain a preformatted field for the URL. We do not usually hyperlink text in an article to an external website, but rather to other Wikipedia articles. The exception is a section at the end of an article with appropriate external links. For example, an article about a notable company will have a link to the company website at the end. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:47, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Styles in user pages

Hi, I want create own section in user page about which pages I created. And I don't want, that be a simple style, I want that be a colorful, in short stylish.Music land - Lukaslt13 Come in my talk! 16:12, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Lukaslt13. Please take a look at the User page design center. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:54, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

How to transfer my article from French to English

Hello,

I have an article written in French in Wikipedia French. How can I translate the article from french to English and transfer it to Wikipedia English site?

Thanks for your help,

Bah Lamine Bah 19:39, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Start by reading the WP:TRANSLATE guide page. If you need furthe assistance, you know where to find us. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) - Please note it is not "your" article, and assuming you mean Draft:Thierno Abdourahmane Bah I wonder if you have a conflict of interest in editing that article - please read and follow our guidance on conflict of interest here - Arjayay (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
To get a translation of fr:Thierno Abdourahmane Bah for English Wikipedia, you or someone else would have to create a high quality translation. Your copy-and-paste copy at Draft:Thierno Abdourahmane Bah is a bad start because it has lost the footnotes from the French original. —teb728 t c 20:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Page gone weird

I was editing the Mahindra racing page and updating the formula e results when I had to add a new driver, this is when one of the columns went very tall and I tried everything to fix it. If anyone can have a look and let me know how this problem is overcome it would be appreciated Vulcan9919 (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You had deleted the termination of the table ( |} ). I have repaired it in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:08, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Reference

Hello! I have tried to add a reference where I see arrows pointing up with a numerical order of the references. When I tried to add mine it didn't align properly with the rest of the references. 69.65.92.202 (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi which article are you talking about? The edit above is the only edit made from that IP address. Nthep (talk) 16:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse 69.65.92.202. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners. You add the footnote in a ref tag in the body of the article—not in the References section. —teb728 t c 21:16, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Editing a post

I want to edit a post but I cant seem to get in back up. Is there any way I can bring it back up to edit? Spedlow (talk) 20:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Spedlow. Assuming you mean something you have previously edited in Wikipedia, pick, the "Contributions" link at the top of the page. It will give you a list of all the edits you have made, and you can pick the link to the relevant page, and then edit it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse Spedlow. To edit a section of a page, you can click the [edit] link to the right of the section header. For example to edit this section click the [edit] to the right of "Editing a post" above. To edit a page without sections (or edit more than one sections at once), click the Edit tab at the top of the page. Is that what you wanted? —teb728 t c 22:51, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Given permission to a picture

Hello Community

I am writing my first page and I wanted to use a picture. I have emailed the owner of the photo and asked for permission to post their picture. There responded and said yes. What copyright tag would I use to validate my use of the photo. He has not explicitly said that everyone could use the photo but I am sure he would. What copyright tag should I use?

Chariot Rider (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The permission needs to come directly from the copyright holder, not from you. The process is described at WP:Donating copyrighted material. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Chariot Rider, please be sure that the copyright holder knows that if they donate the image to Wikimedia Commons, anyone can reuse the photo any time for any purpose, including commercial ventures, without asking for permission. Attribution is the only requirement. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

how to embed a video on an entry

Hello, which is the correct editing process to embed a youtube video on a wikipedia entry on my user talk page? Thank you in advance! Everynameistaken15 (talk) 16:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Everynameistaken15, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm afraid what you're trying to do is simply not possible. Embedded YouTube videos are not supported; the only videos it's possible to include are ones on Wikimedia Commons, and the videos there must be under free licenses. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 19:48, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi @Howicus: thank you! I'll just post a link then :) Everynameistaken15 (talk) 10:04, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Barbara Liella King, Creator

Help. I am the creator. Been verified. Still held hostage in Stockton, CA 95210. Would u help me with an entry. Need press to get money released from USA. Going to new monetary unit. Richard Branson and everyone else trying. Dob 02-11-1953. Thank you. Otherwise returning home, space, with Ray Simons only. Thank you♡ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbara Luella King (talk • contribs) 07:39, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Barbara Luella King. I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about, but unless it is related to editing Wikipedia, this is the wrong forum for it, and there is unlikely to be any help for you. --ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

How to comment

Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with a small problem. We are doing a course in university and we are asked to leave comments under one another's blogs, I was wondering if you could give me advice on how to do this? Many Thanks Tellegee (talk) 14:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I see you are included in the list of University of Sterling students referred to in the section immediately below. Please read and follow that advice - and please note Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - not a blog - Arjayay (talk) 14:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


Page gets deleted for the second time

Hi am Abhishek Pathy, i created a page for myself as to showcase my project as well. It is unfortunate that even after correcting the second time my page is deleted stating 11G as reason.Kindly help me get this done am not clear where am going WrongAbhishek Pathy (talk) 15:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Where you are going wrong is trying to create a Wikipedia page for yourself to showcase your project. The purpose of a Wikipedia user page, for users who are here to improve the encyclopedia, is shown at WP:user page. If you wish to create a web page to showcase your project, there are plenty of web-hosting sites on the Internet, but Wikipedia isn't one of them. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

problem with image file on site

I uploaded and obtained permission for an image on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Dailey

It was working fine, but suddenly disappeared and I can't figure out how to fix it.Gaw54 (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gaw54 - When I first opened the page, it appeared not to be working correctly, and it seemed to have started when you changed the article's caption. I was simply going to delete it and re-add it, but it appears to be working fine now. Onel5969 TT me 17:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I just discovered that someone deleted the file from Wikimedia without notifying me. This was done despite the fact that I had correctly uploaded the image and obtained permission: [Ticket#2016020110012237] Confirmation of receipt (Re: Copyright Authorizat [...]) There must be a better way to do this in a more collegial manner and not cause so many headaches. I've just wasted an hour trying to figure out how to deal with this and still have no resolution.Gaw54 (talk) 17:06, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

OK Thanks, Would have been nice to have been brought into the loop when it was deleted yesterday. But all's well that ends well. Gaw54 (talk) 17:15, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

wikipedia wants to delete my entry

They say it doesn't follow some bloody guidelines or another. All this bullshit is a bit too much for my brain to decipher, so if they want to delete the bastard, then so be it .... and history goes direct to the rubbish bin. I won't bother with this fn site anymore. Run by a bunch of geek brained wankers !!! Majicbooma (talk) 19:49, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

The article was nominated for speedy deletion and then deleted as a hoax. If it was history and not a hoax, then you can discuss it with the nominating editor, User:Everymorning, or the deleting administrator, User:CactusWriter, or you can request undeletion at requests for undeletion. If it really is history and not a hoax, it probably needs more references, and should be submitted via Articles for Creation. If you want to create articles that are not true, there are other sites for the purpose. Please do not vent anger here. This site is for friendly discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Also, creating a new page to rant about deletion of the previous page is not useful. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:57, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

my content can't be viewed

For my class I am supposed to write a post under my talk section. I wrote and published one, but when I search myself my post does not come up. I am worried by teacher won't be able to find it. I am also searching my classmates usernames and nothing us coming up. What am I doing wrong?

Kacollins95 (talk) 12:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You'll find your contributions at Special:Contributions/Kacollins95, accessible via the "Contributions" link at the top of any page. To find contributions from another user, change your user name to theirs. If you are using the Wikipedia "Search" facility, by default it looks just at articles, not at user talk pages; you would need to change the search option to look in a different namespace, see Help:Search.
It does cause some confusion to have such content on your user talk page, as that is intended to let other users contact you about your contributions to the encyclopedia. It is unfortunate that your teacher hasn't read Wikipedia:Student assignments; it might be wise to point that page out to him/her. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi @David Biddulph: thanks - yes I have read those docs. We've worked out a solution now. GregXenon01 (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
(e/c) Hi Kacollins95. Your content can be viewed. Look to the very top of this page and you will see certain links, including "contributions" and, next to your username, "talk". The talk link will lead to your talk page where you've posted the content. The contributions tab, will show you ever page you've ever edited, and in this case, will also provide a link to your talk page, where this content is posted. However, this content appears entirely related to the goals of Wikipedia, and might be speedy deleted as misuse of Wikipedia as a webhost, or after discussion referring to WP:NOTWEBHOST. Can you please advise if there is a central education page where we can see the assignment and where your teacher might be contacted? Thanks--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
This search finds 35 of you, presumably all from the University of Stirling. You will probably want to read the section #Contested Deletion? as several of your colleagues have had their user talk pages deleted for inappropriate use. Your teacher needs to address this urgently. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi all - thanks for coming in on this. I'm the instructor involved. This is the first iteration of the exercise. The ide is that students are not encouraged to use the wiki as a blog or free host, but the exercise in question is a way to encourage use of editing, wikimarkup, as well as the key principles of civility and free exchange of ideas. Hence the edits are restricted to user talk pages for the moment.
There are 3 further exercises of this nature - very modet, 2-3k character posts, plus comments to aclimatise the students to the editing process, before we launch a discrete project in Wikibooks (now in its 3rd annual iteration) next week.
Please advise on reversion for posted content. Thanks. GregXenon01 (talk) 15:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
May I suggest you look at Wikipedia:School and university projects, read the associated advice, and add your project to the list.
I do not know how that project prefers to work, but if this is an exercise, it might be better if your students used their own individual sandboxes, which are meant for experimenting with mark-up, rather than talk pages, which are for other editors to leave messages on. - Arjayay (talk) 15:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Another suggestion, if you want to centralize the comments, is simply to create a new sandbox, connected to your user account, e.g. User:GregXenon01/sandbox/students. And all your students could use that to experiment. Onel5969 TT me 17:14, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi @Arjayay: thanks for the advice. We've worked out a solution now, which involves switching these exercises to Wikibooks. We will be conducting a collaborative project there this month anyway (it's been notified on the Wikibooks educational projects page). and @Onel5969: yes, that's a good idea, we'll try a few things out with Sandbox. Thanks! GregXenon01 (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Submission Question

Hello!

I recently submitted an article for 55 Places the community was kind enough to review for me on January 22nd. Unfortunately, it was rejected because of a "lack of notability".

I was just curious if someone may be able to expound on the factors within the article which lead to your decision so I can craft the article to better adhere to the Wikipedia guidelines.

Since 55 Places is an online entity, I considered submitting it as a website instead of a business and positioning the content from the angle of a the digital space as opposed to a brick & mortar business. Do you think this is something that may increase the chances it will be accepted?

Any feedback you would provide would be great!

Thanks! -Adam Drwoo12 (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

No matter what you call it, or however you characterise it, an article about it must demonstrate notability through references to significant coverage in reliable sources.--ukexpat (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Help editing a draft for John Garcia Gensel

Hi, I wrote an article which was rejected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Garcia_Gensel I tried to correct tone issues, but I don't quite understand why my references was named in the reasons for declination. I had made several corrections but was hoping you may be able to help me we comments on how to improve the article so that it is publishable. Thanks, Billie בילי (talk) 17:37, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

There hasn't been any issue about the references in the decline. The decline was based on the tone. Also, the draft needs a heavy copy-edit. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. Since I have changed the tone of the article and I am not a copy-editor, what can I do to improve the article at this point? I don't want to waste the time of others by resubmitting if it will be rejected again. בילי (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Anyone who writes English at the native fluency level may copy-edit a draft. You don't have to be a member of the copy-edit guild. If English is not your native language, requesting help here would be appropriate. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
The tone still needs help. You could ask for help with that here also if the other editors think that the subject is notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:41, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism and 3RR

A user is adding wrong wikilink in the lead of Sallekhana page. I reverted these edits considering it clear vandalism. I have reverted these edits more than 3 times. I haven't reverted the last edit. Will 3RR apply on my edits. Also, please revert the last edit, it is very much wrong. It is the first line of the page. -जैन (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

The user was repeatedly adding "suicide" word even though the discussion about it was going on the talk page.-जैन (talk) 16:05, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
जैन and GideonF both need to stop edit-warring. This is a content dispute, in which GideonF correctly took this issue to the Talk page, but you have not yet been able to reach consensus, so you should follow the subsequent stages of the dispute resolution process. But जैन, editing that you disagree with, however strongly, is not vandalism, and it will not help your argument if you call it vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so you mean adding a link to the article "suicide" is correct? When no reference in the article support it.-जैन (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
This is very sad. You're supporting the addition of wrong wikilink in the very first line of the article and you think it's not vandalism. So a user who doesn't provided any source is right and everything else is wrong.-जैन (talk) 16:31, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
जैन, you need to read WP:Vandalism. GideonF clearly feels having the link is an improvement, so it is not vandalism. I don't see anything in ColinFine's response that says he supports the inclusion of the link. He says and I am saying that you are both editwarring and you both need to stop. You need to discuss it on the talk page or use other forms of WP:Dispute resolution to clear up the problem. -- GB fan 16:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I am attempting to discuss it on the talk page, but the fact of the matter is that जैन is waging a one-man campaign to remove all references to suicide from an article about ritual suicide, for reasons that he is unable or unwilling to explain.GideonF (talk) 16:41, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Not even a single reference I have removed. You haven't added any.-जैन (talk) 16:44, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Instead I removed unsourced content that explained why it is not suicide.-जैन (talk) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Someone who hasn't contributed to the article significantly, adds something (that too a link to wrong article) in the first line, without any source and then it is not considered wrong. Sorry, this is really sad.-जैन (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
The new unsourced addition should be removed first and then it should be listed for RfC. -जैन (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Neither ColinFine nor I have said that addition of the link is right, nor one did we say it is wrong. We have said that it isn't WP:Vandalism, because we have a very strict interpretation of that word and this addition does not meet that definition. Please consider using one of the WP:Dispute resolution methods to solve this dispute. -- GB fan 17:03, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
@GB fan: Okay, but it is unsourced and should be removed. I removed it but my edit was reverted.-जैन (talk) 17:11, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I am not getting involved in your content dispute as I have no knowledge of the subject. I am here to give advice on how you can try to solve your dispute. I will also stop the dispute if I see another revert on that page. -- GB fan 17:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
@GB fan: The user is reverting edits made by an experienced member of "WikiProject Jainism". When nothing on the page supports that the practice is suicide. He is adding suicide bar also. Why he is allowed to wreck the page? -जैन (talk) 19:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I saw what's going on and it seems that we might be in need of admin intervention or third party intervention. Can someone please guide, how to invite a third party neutral view into the issue? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 20:14, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
The RfC will bring others to the discussion.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 04:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Remove redirect to create stand alone page for a well respected conservation organization

I'd like to create a page called "Island Conservation" to describe an organization of the same name. Unfortunately "Island Conservation" currently redirects to "Island ecology" a related topic but hardly a huge overlap.

Island Conservation is a non-profit organization that has been in existence since 1994 dedicated to "preventing extinctions by removing invasive species from islands." It is the preeminent group conducting conservation on islands having deployed teams to protect 994 populations of 389 species on 52 islands. The organization has a staff of 40 people working in the Caribbean, North America, South America and the Pacific. You can read more here: http://www.islandconservation.org/mission-and-history/

I'm looking for a collaborator who can help me remove the redirect and create a stand alone page for the organization. Thank you for any help you can give me. User: angusparker Angus Parker (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC) Angus Parker (talk) 04:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I suggest creating the draft article in draft space and submitting it for review. If the reviewer is satisfied, they can tag the redirect for speedy deletion to make way for the move. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:21, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Robert. That sounds like a great idea. Do you have any pointers as to how to satisfy a reviewer other than writing a factual and well documented article? Best, Angus (Angus Parker (talk) 05:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Write a factual and well-documented article supported by third-party reliable sources, not just the organization's own web site. What have other people written about the organization? Avoid peacock language that praises the organization. Also, if reviewers initially decline the article, take their comments seriously. For instance, if they say that the tone needs to be changed, and cite one particular sentence, reread the entire article to see if there are other examples of language that need to be changed. Those are my suggestions for now. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Robert - Wise advice. Now the work begins! Angus Parker (talk) 06:54, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I can't change the title of a page.

Hello, I am trying to change the name of the wiki page, "Sea Around Us Project." The organization now uses the name, "Sea Around Us."

From what I've read, one needs to use the "move" button normally located on the top right of the page, when logged in. It does not look like I have a "move" button. I recently became a member eight days ago. From what I understand, I should be able to change the title of an article now.

Any information would be great!

Many thanks, Doceans888 (talk) 23:39, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Move would be listed under the "More" dropdown menu. RotubirtnoC (talk) 23:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse. To move a page you need to be autoconfirmed. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:54, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
In almost all cases, autoconfirmed status requires an account that is at least four days or more old which has made ten or more edits. You meet the first standard but this post is only your seventh edit. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Assistance with Elíz Camacho article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:El%C3%ADz_Camacho

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.110.4.191 (talk) 07:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

How to highlight a username in an edit summary?

What is the code to make a link showing the "talk|contribs" thing next to a username in an edit summary? Lupine453 (talk) 06:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lupine453. Standard Wikicode, which you can copy and paste from signatures, works in edit summaries, but it is difficult for me to imagine why you would want to include links to both an editor's user page and also their talk page in an edit summary. It is supposed to be just a brief summary of your edit, after all. If you want to communicate directly with another editor, then talk pages are the best place for that. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:25, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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