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September 12

Le Lyonnais shipwreck

Hi, I was curious about the recent discovery of a shipwreck that occurred on 2 November, 1856: [1]. I cannot find mention in Wikipedia (neither EN nor FR) of either the wrecked French ship, Le Lyonnais, nor the American ship Adriatic, though there are several British ships by that name. The above article states 114 people died of the 132 passengers and crew, so this was a tragic and major event. Could you help me confirm this is not already in Wikipedia somewhere, before I attempt to draft a new article? Harris7 (talk) 11:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adriatic (ship). 2A00:23C5:E161:9200:4553:8C87:5013:6612 (talk) 12:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I see now that "just one more search" (for the string "le lyonnais" within any article, rather than page title) would have led me to that article. Harris7 (talk) 12:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Harris7: Lyonnais is listed at List of shipwrecks in November 1856#4 November. Mjroots (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes on astrology

Hi, I would like to find the original authors of two quotes on astrology:

A planet does not have any astrological influence until it is discovered
—misattributed to Linda Goodman in Weird Science by Michael White

Stars remember the influence of the constellations that corresponded to them two thousand years ago
—attributed to some "~~sidereal~~tropical" astrologer in Science and the Paranormal, edited by G. O. Abell and B. Singer.

-- Carnby (talk) 20:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know the first one was misattributed? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked Weird Science on Internet Archive. Attribution was: Linda Goodman's Star Signs NY: Bantam Books 1968 (no pages). First edition of Star Signs was published in 1988 (St. Martin Press, N.Y.); in 1968 Goodman published Sun Signs (Taplinger, N.Y.). However, neither books contain that statement. Carnby (talk) 06:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The concept is at least implied in Star Signs in various places where it prognosticates the discovery of a planet which will change the rules. For instance, "The Number 6 vibrates to the planet Venus. It represents the feminine essence, compassion, and (until Venus gives up her rulership of Taurus when the planet Pan-Horus is discovered) also money." In Sun Signs I found the concept stated in detail: "It's important to mention here the still unseen planet Vulcan, the true ruler of Virgo, since its discovery is said to be imminent. The discovery of the true ruler of a sign changes the characteristics of those born under it. To give only one example, during the period when both Aquarius and Capricorn were ruled by Saturn, the February-born, such as Abraham Lincoln, clearly showed the melancholy traits of that planet. But when Uranus (the symbol of electronics and space, and the true ruler of Aquarius) was discovered—in its proper time in the universal plan—Aquarians began to reflect qualities of restless discovery, and a more electric, unpredictable, progressive personality, such as that of Uranus-ruled Aquarian Franklin D. Roosevelt." Card Zero (talk) 08:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen the argument, in which it suggested that due to the precession of the equinoxes the traits of the signs of the tropical zodiac (sun signs) are based on the alleged properties of the constellations they are named after but which they no longer occupy, so the predictions are based on "the properties of empty space." The answer was that the modern sun signs are not devoid of stars. In any event, astrologers make predictions based on the positions of the "planets" (including the sun and moon) and the angles (aspects) between them, which are unaffected by precession. Sidereal astrology does not have this problem. 2A00:23C5:E161:9200:80BA:5D7D:BDC5:5EAA (talk) 12:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colour of mixed race South Asians and Native Americans

Is it possible that most mixed race South Asians (e.g. Indians & Pakistanis) and Native Americans can either be white or have the same skin and hair colour as all Asians and Natives? 86.130.217.84 (talk) 20:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You asked in your previous question how skin color was inherited, and I answered. The answer is the same. SamuelRiv (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The mixed-race South Asian and Native American actors and characters I've noticed were... In the film East Is East, the Khan children with a Pakistani father and white English mother, who had the same colours as their father's. Jimi Mistry, born of an Irish mother. Emil Marwa with an Indian Kenyan father and mother of Norwegian descent. Zita Sattar with a British mother and Pakistani father. In the Bonanza episode The Underdog, Harry Starr (Charles Bronson), born of a Comanche father and white mother and in The Burning Sky, Aaron Gore (Victor French) who had a Sioux mother. In Chato's Land, Chato (Charles Bronson), who is half-Apache. In Big Jake, O'Brien (Glenn Corbett), a half-breed Apache born of a Chiricahua mother and Irish father. In the Little House on the Prairie episode Injun Kid, Spotted-Eagle/Joseph Stokes, born of a Sioux father and white mother. And according to a get.tv article, Chuck Norris was born to an Irish mother and a Cherokee father and kids always called him a half-breed. And I think his Walker, Texas Ranger character was part-Cherokee. 86.130.185.199 (talk) 19:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]