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August 18

Project banner shell

I added one to Talk:Bettina (disambiguation) (per nagging message), but the project isn't showing up. Also, what's the point of adding the shell? (Something unspeakably sinister from the Cabal?) Clarityfiend (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The shell serves to compact its WikiProject-related content. Yes, it seems to compact Anthroponymy into nothingness; but no loss, I think. I was going to provide an example of how useful such compacting usually is, with an example I expected would be extreme, so visited Talk:Donald Trump. This turns out to have

{{WikiProject banner shell |class=B |living=yes |activepol=yes |collapsed=yes |vital=yes |listas=Trump, Donald |1=
{{WikiProject Donald Trump |importance=Top}}
{{WikiProject United States |importance=Top |USTV=Yes |USTV-importance=Mid |USGov=Yes |USGov-importance=High |USPE=Yes |USPE-importance=Top |USPresidents=Yes |USPresidents-importance=Top}}
{{WikiProject Conservatism |importance=High}}
{{WikiProject New York City |importance=High}}
{{WikiProject Politics |importance=High |American=Yes |American-importance=Top |political-parties=yes |political-parties-importance=High}}
{{WikiProject Business |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Television |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Biography |a&e-work-group=Yes |a&e-priority=Mid |politician-work-group=Yes |politician-priority=Top}}
{{WikiProject 2010s |importance=Top}}
{{WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography |importance=Top}}
}}

-- again, all compacted into visual nothingness, as far as I can see. Odd. But despite the invisibility (to human eyes) of the templates, the talk page is categorized properly. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Bettina (disambiguation) was missing a pipe after class=list so the WikiProject became part of the class parameter. I don't think disambiguation pages should have that anyway so I removed it.[1] The WikiProjects on Talk:Donald Trump are hard but not impossible to find. You did pick a page with a lot going on. Click "show" at "Other talk page banners" and then "This level-4 vital article ... is of interest to multiple WikiProjects." PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete my submission

Please help me by deleting my submission or confirming deletion. Thank you. TrinbagoianNetwork (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only edit you have resembling a submission was an edit to a sandbox, which has been removed. 331dot (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How would I make it so that Wikipedia shows the Incubator in the language list?

I don't know how this is done, so I am asking here.
I thought of creating an extension for it, but I can't seem to figure out how Wikidata gets all the possible languages. If I could, then I may be able to create an extension for it. But I don't, so I don't think so.
It doesn't seem like Wikipedia already has this setting, so I'm asking here. Kxeon (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interwiki links in the sidebar from Wikipedia and Wikidata in general does not work for incubator wikis. See incubator:Help:FAQ. Recon rabbit 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kxeon: Incubator pages can add code to the page itself to display interwiki links on the page. For example, incubator:Wp/iba/Kenyah contains {{INTERWIKI|Q180540}} to display the interwiki links in the Wikidata page Kenyah Dayak (Q180540). However, the iba page is not and cannot be added there so other wikis cannot find it and display an interwiki link to it. wikidata:Help:Sitelinks#Linking to Wikimedia site pages says: "Wikidata currently supports sitelinks for most Wikimedia projects (except Incubator, see phab:T54971)." PrimeHunter (talk) 13:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for an NPOV contributor to clean up article | Music Technology

Hello,

I am currently involved in an ongoing dispute regarding the article on Turntablist Transcription Methodology (a musical notation system for scratching and turntablism).

I have adhered to Wikipedia standards by adding citations and links to support fact-checked content, maintaining a Neutral Point of View (NPOV), and removing unsourced additions. Additionally, I have improved the article’s layout with a clearer timeline to reduce redundancy.

However, another user persistently reverts the article to a version that appears biased and cluttered with uncited information. The central issue revolves around the inclusion of an inventor credit, which is inherently subjective. To uphold NPOV, I have removed all mentions of "inventor" and similar terms.

Despite these efforts, the revert pattern continues without resolution. Could a Wikipedia expert intervene to assist in resolving this issue? Also, under what circumstances could a user be blocked for disregarding Wikipedia standards?

Thank you for your assistance. WikiSkratch2000 (talk) 14:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, WikiSkratch2000. It sounds as if you are asking for some sort of authority figure to come in and rule on a dispute. That is not how we work in Wikipedia. If you are unable to reach consensus with other editors, please look at dispute resolution for the next steps you can take.

See WP:blocking policy for the policy on how blocks are used. ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrolling article hatnotes?

Is there a way, tool or user role that would let me find article maintenance hatnotes – "more citations need", "written like an ad", etc – and sort them by date?

Reason: I frequently find these tags dated from years ago, that no longer apply to articles that have been significantly edited and improved since. I'd like to remove them when appropriate. Thanks! Tsavage (talk) 15:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tsavage Some templates populate a category which you can look at directly and in other cases you can go to the template page and click on the tool "what links here". So {{More citations needed}} could work like that: but beware it has ~387,000 hits! I prefer to use the external link to WikiProject Cleanup Listings, which I can filter according to my interests. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can also look at the various subcategories at Category:Articles_needing_cleanup, to see if there are subjects that are of particular interest to you. Valereee (talk) 17:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Michael D. Turnbull @Valereee Thanks. Lots of ways to almost get there, but not quite! If I could see something like "more citations needed" from 2010 and earlier, for example, that would be great. Otherwise, too much clicking through. I suppose a custom database query would be the way. Cheers! Tsavage (talk) 16:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tsavage You can get that with an insource search. Hence to find those from August 2010 you would use this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, cool! Perfect!! And...duh. Can just search for template strings in articles...so simple! Given the number of hits from your example, just "more citations" by month will satisfy my urge to remove for a while. Question, answered! Tsavage (talk) 15:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can I apply for university in Wikipedia

hi guys to University of Johannesburg Lino khanyoh (talk) 16:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't, this is an encyclopedia, not a university application site. I suggest contacting that university directly to see how you can apply. 331dot (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Idea

It would be nice, especially when sections are large, to be able to close a section at the end of said section. GordonBombayIII (talk) 17:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, GordonBombayIII. Take a look at Template:Discussion top. That may be what you are looking for. Cullen328 (talk) 17:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, GordonBombayIII is using the mobile version where level 2 headers usually have an arrow indicating the section can be collapsed/expanded. See e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia#Characteristics. I don't know any way to add this option to the end of a section. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From the back-end side, it seems like it wouldn't be hard to add a copy of the start-of-section toggle

<span class="mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small indicator mf-icon-rotate-flip"> </span>

or something like it to the end of the section, just before the close of the section's </div>. No idea where this is all implemented, and this is just from diving into the page source just now. DMacks (talk) 00:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changing a Wikimedia Commons image license to a less restrictive one?

Hi, I have several images that I have previously uploaded to Wikimedia Commons under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license. Is it permissible for me to change these to CC BY 4.0 (a less restrictive license)? Thanks! EvanBaldonado (talk) 18:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EvanBaldonado: That is absolutely fine (as long you are the copyright holder, which I assume is the case looking at the images). The original license will still technically also apply, since it cannot be revoked, but that's irrelevant because the new license allows everything the old one did anyways. Tollens (talk) 18:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Yes, I'm the one who took them and am the copyright holder. I just updated them all to add the new licenses alongside the old ones. EvanBaldonado (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]