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August 14

Landing gear problems

united airlines bozeman mt landing gear would not lower 8/5/2013 for 35 minutes,they weren't sure landing gear was locked so passengers had to be in crash position for landing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.56.33 (talk) 01:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Is there an article about this aviation incident? If so, discuss at the article talk page. If not, was the incident notable enough for an article? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:AIRCRASH there would only be an article if the plane actually crashed. Technical problems are a daily routine ocurrence for airliners and of no lasting significance or notability unless the incident results in a change in the law/regulations or the aircraft's design or manufacturing process. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Ref tag question

What is the tag to use when a cited reference does not support or even contain the content it supposedly sources? I believe I've seen it before but can't recall what it is. OccamzRazor (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Probably {{Failed verification}} or {{irrelevant citation}}. RudolfRed (talk) 05:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you for your quick response. OccamzRazor (talk) 05:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article - Sadat Institute of Higher Education

Hi Everyone, I am the Publishing Manager of Sadat Institute of Higher Education. I wanted to create a page describing my university, when I created it was nominated for speedy deletion, they said I violated the rules, however I am the owner of the website which I copied text from it is www.sadat.edu.af now what to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SayedAzeemSadat (talk • contribs) 08:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Question title added. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 09:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you copied text from a copyright website, then Wikipedia will regard that text as a copyright violation unless the copyright owner explicitly licences it according to the procedure in WP:Donating copyright materials. If you own the copyright, then it is open to you to donate the text in that way, and that will clear the copyright problem. However, text from a subject's own website is usually not appropriate for a Wikipedia article, because text from the website is usually too promotional in tone. It is right and proper for the institution's own website to speak of it in a promotional tone, but Wikipedia requires neutral language.

In fact, if you are employed by the institute, you probably should not edit such an article at all, as you have a conflict of interest. Your best course is to find the multiple reliable sources, independent of the subject (such as newspapers or books) which discuss the institution in some depth, and request and article at requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Christopher Miles (Director) page

I have been a fan of the director Christopher Miles work for some time and even wrote a paper on him for a college course. I found his page, which had warnings across the top about not being enough citations to verify sources of information. I have been through it in some detail and added citations where I know them to apply. Have I done enough for this warning to be removed or do I need to do more? Or perhaps this is an automated process which just happens when Wikipedia notices the changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlin Energy (talk • contribs) 09:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Merlin. Looking through the article, it appears that you have done an excellent job! The article certainly doesn't need the tag anymore (which, by the way, is manually placed there by editors). I'll go back through with a fine-tooth comb and tag any more wrinkles with a {{citation needed}} tag, but you've definitely done well. Thanks for your hard work! Deadbeef 09:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback too Deadbeef. Now feeling inspired to look at others :) Merlin Energy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlin Energy (talk • contribs) 09:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have just been going through the Wikipedia layout guidelines to see if I can get that warning removed too and it appears to comply as far as I can make out with the possible exception of not having a picture in the box on the top right with his birth date etc. Do you have any suggestions or comments? Merlin Energy (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

It appears that this has been resolved. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding "Authority control"

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk Team Editors:

An inquiry addressed to Wikipedia Information Team concerning "Authority control" responded with a referral to your department.

The EN, DE, ES Wikipedia articles about José Bernal require "Authority control" to provide easy access to readers doing research on this Cuban-American artist, 1925-2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Bernal, because there is a very large number of people named Jose Bernal, at least one Mexican artist and many other artists whose names include the name "Bernal."

The art of Cuban-American José Bernal, whose Wikipedia link is noted above, is published in books, articles, catalogs, monographs. Also, it is in 13 art museums, one in Spain and twelve in the U.S.A., and his artworks continue to be incorporated in art museum collections and museum exhibitions. Therefore it would be a significant and helpful addition to his EN, DE, ES articles to have "Authority control." Unfortunately, attempts to follow the guidelines in Wikipedia's "Authority control" link haven't been successful, even with assistance from Wikipedia volunteers and staff of the Smithsonian Institution. For this reason I seek assistance from the expertise of your Help Desk Team, as it was suggested by the Information Team. With appreciation for your consideration of this request, Ulla1540 (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Ulla1540

This must be about Wikipedia:Authority control. I, for one, had never heard of Authority control. I wish you luck in finding someone who understands it. Maproom (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have at times added {{Authority control}} to articles; it's quite straightforward, just a matter of searching the various databases and copying the identifiers into the template. But I have had no luck finding José Antonio Severino Bernal Muñoz in LoC, VIAF, ISNI or OGND. There are of course a lot of José Bernals, but I couldn't find one whose dates matched. He may just not be sufficiently well-known. Sorry about that, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Humanities

I want to know about humanities. if u give me a paragraph then it will be easy for me to understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.247.181.70 (talk) 15:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you have questions to ask, try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. If you want to read about the topic, it is at (not surprisingly) Humanities. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

tabs help

Hi,

I am trying to figure out how to make/ configure/ or use a template to create tabs on my project page that look like these tabs: Wikipedia: GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration. I have not been able to find any templates or sources that help me do this. I want to give the tabs my own titles and have them appear blank when I first get them so I can fill them in.

Please help me figure out how to create tabs, or link me to a good template for tabs. Thanks!!!!!!! OR drohowa (talk) 15:57, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The tabs on Wikipedia:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration are implemented through Wikipedia:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration/Tab header. You can use a similar format and modify it to suit your requirements. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

template on my article says i dont have reliable sources

Please review my article Hanwant Mal Lodha, the template says that I do not have reliable sources or references on my article, there are no references available on the internet but the information is available on the subject's blogs which wikipedia wont allow me to add in references, other information are from the law journals, which we have referred from, and i have written in the references section. If you think they are suitable then please remove the template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.99.194.189 (talk) 16:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have moved your message to the foot of the page, as that is where new messages are found. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:31, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Blogs are almost never reliable sources, and the subject's own publications are not independent, and so are not regarded as adequate either for notability or for supporting content other than uncontroversial factual information. References are required to be inline to identify the information that they are supporting (see WP:Referencing for beginners). Finally, the "reported cases" that you have adduced almost certainly say nothing about the subject except that he represented certain parties. In order to have a Wikipedia article about a subject, there must be multiple reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject, which have written at length about the subject; so in this case it would require articles in books or journals written about Hanwant Mal Lodha. These do not have to be online, or in English, but they have to exist and be referenced in the article, otherwise the article fails to establish that the subject is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and the article will be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Demande de publication

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Réflexion sur la « rupture avec le passé : Kemit » (Olugasa Ombeni, 2013) La méconnaissance historique étant une rupture d’un peuple avec son passé. C’est mourir pour mieux renaître. La renaissance tant caressée par les peuples africains d’Afrique et du Monde Noir, la conscience historique est un retour permanent permettant de faire renaitre le passé fascinant et glorieux. Comme toute entreprise humaine ou tout défi d’un peuple, la connaissance historique permet de surmonter les difficultés et retrouver en soi une connaissance du passé solide et outillée, une vigueur et une résistance Pharaonique (grandiose) Noir de qui nous descendions. C’est une nouvelle étape de maturité pour un peuple qui fut pendant longtemps traumatisé et renié (relégué dans le processus de reconstruction du monde) dans tous domaines de la vie humaine, qui passe par le fait de réinvestir ce que l’on avait oublié en lui et négligé en soi parce que d’autres (les détracteurs) l’ont voulu le faire croire qu’il était inférieur et incapable de se prendre en main dans toutes possibilités intellectuelles en vue de découvrir, de réapprendre, de rétablir, de comprendre, de réécrire et de retransmettre en lui seul son passé séculaire. Au travers les mauvaises expériences vécues avec l’autre, en l’occurrence de l’occident, sa politique d’assimilation et paternaliste, sa religion sauvage et détestable, son économie gourmande de dominante au détriment des autres et son modèle sociologique discriminatoire et raciste, la souffrance, la misère, la pauvreté, la guerre, la violence, le viol, la drogue et la cigarette blanches, la prostitution et la pornographie roses, l’assassinat par assassinats, le transfert des maladies (vaccins), l’approvisionnement des armes à feu, la démocratie commercialisée, le système immobilier comme monnaie courante de contrôle d’espaces et d’exploitation, le terrorisme moyen de justifier sa démocratie, les prises d’otages complotés et bien d’autres moyens conceptuels et internationaux de domination et de destruction, nous apprenons, nous désapprenons, nous réapprenons et nous comprenons ce que l’on attend de la vie, ce que l’on attend de la grande humiliation et réduction humaine (déshumanisation et asservissement) que nous avons connues et que nous connaissons aujourd’hui, en effet, nous faisons face à une haute vitesse technologique internationalisée et génie génétiquement humain et OGM (organisme génétiquement modifié). Rien de plus que nous pourrons souhaiter; le sentiment ou ce retour historique nous permettra de nous mettre en marche vers une rencontre plus authentique, digne, respectueuse et responsable avec nous-mêmes et avec un nouveau partenaire volontaire. Il est rare de rencontrer dans la vie ou dans ce monde sauvage où nous avons été habitués à des humiliations, où le noir est visible dans sa torpeur d’aliénation dans son aliénation confortable, dans son autodénigrement, dans son autodésaffirmation et dans son autodestruction seulement dans les domaines des peuples qui savent rendent justice à part ceux-là qui l’ont humilié et prétendent encore combler son fossé alors qu’ils sont d’abord injustes à son égard parce qu’il a appris à bâtir des ponts pour promouvoir un échange bilatéral des connaissances scientifiques et technologiques. Pas même leur assistance soi-disant alimentaire et pacifique la plus humiliante et hypocrite dont la plupart d’entre nous attendent encore recevoir avec les démarches de dénonciation, de négociation et de réconciliation. Dans ce retour permanent, il est communément dit : « construire peut être difficile et détruire c’est aussi facile » ; il faut une rupture avec l’autre parce qu’il apparait comme la bâtisse que nous voulions démanteler. Alors que nous sommes appelés à nous servir de cet adage universel pour nous désendoctriner ou désaliéner ou désignorer des religions barbares (judaïsme, christianisme et islam) et nous déprogrammer du paradigme universel inventé par nos anciens colons dont précisément nous n’avons pas la maternité ni la moindre vision de voir ce monde du même oeil, alors que pour nous, se déprogrammer du système politico-économique et Onusien-pharmaceutique est une démarche de solidarité ancestrale africaine, kamite, dont également nous n’avons pas été des concepteurs ou architectes ni des applicateurs et éditeurs, d’autres parmi nous, n’arrêtent de se faire prendre étant « possesseurs » de ces savoirs en blanc-rosés dans les idéologies universelles et affirment être satisfaits avec les pincettes des statistiques et propagandes souvent délivrées sous le dictat des organisations dites internationales, en l’occurrence de l’ONU et ses enfants pays occidentaux. Mais cette même organisation, ONU en sigle, a été conçue, élaborée et établie par les anciens négriers, esclavagistes et colonialistes afin de protéger leurs propres intérêts et perpétuer la boucherie humaine, est là comme et, est la voie et la voix des nations et entreprises occidentales pour éteindre ou neutraliser tout processus du génie noir pour son peuple noir et d’ailleurs toutes les injustices et répartitions inégales de nos richesses dont nous sommes séculairement victimes trouvent leur sens dans les organisations dites internationales. En outre, nous reconnaissons tous ensemble si quelqu’un s'éloigne de toi et bien laisse-le aller et s’il est fort que toi, fais la sourde méfiance et il comprendra en quoi tu as été toujours important pour lui et il existe grâce à toi. Ton destin n’est jamais lié à lui seul, cela signifie simplement que sa part dans ton histoire de vie est terminée et reste comme une oubliette ou historiette. Responsabilisons-nous chers compatriotes kamites, le Dieu de nos ancêtres et de nous-mêmes, qui a fait que la noirceur nous couvre, nous témoigne et nous résiste, sait que pour certains peuples esclavagistes, colonisateurs, impérialistes, religieux, instigateurs de l’apartheid, du génocide au Rwanda et de carnages dans le Congo, des assassinats par assassinat c’est vraiment un stade de soulagement mais pour d’autres parmi nous ce serait trop difficile. Mais nous ne devons pas construire notre destin sur le paradigme de la vie des autres peuples. La construction de nos rêves dépend de nous-mêmes et nous devons la vivre pour nous-mêmes ainsi que nous serons plus en mesure de la vivre avec les autres et la partager. Responsabilisons-nous et nous serons capables de responsabiliser des générations futures. Nos détracteurs et falsificateurs de notre histoire comptent beaucoup sur nos filles et fils parce que pour eux, ceux-ci se baigneront dans la matrice de la domination, de l’endoctrinement et de l’aliénation confortable, de l’autodénigrement, de l’autodésaffirmation et de l’autodestruction dont ils sont les vrais instigateurs. En guise de conclusion, la renaissance africaine à voir avec mes quelques démarches que j’ai entreprises et pensées que j’ai construites dans les rapports et apports de compréhension du sens ultime de la conscience historique dont il est maintenant convenu d’attribuer la paternité à l’historien le plus éminent et influent, Cheihk Anta Diop, est devenu assez logiquement le signifiant d’un horizon savant le plus désirable pour tous les Savants Noirs, Kamites. C’est à point précis que mon rêve vient de se canaliser : « adaptons doucement certaines pratiques historiques, culturelles et spirituelles-religieuses et apprenons ensemble qu’en respect, rien n’est inutile si nous choisissons ensemble nos limites et bien tout est possible. Une vieille histoire vivace (Afrique) doit se préparer dès le début de l’histoire, ce qui est notre repère du passé, une vigilance permanente sur ce passé et surprises abondantes est les prémices d’une histoire moderne, organique, stable et harmonique entre peuples de l’histoire avec l’autre. Plus encore que la compréhension historique substitutive administrée aux anciens avec rigueur et dialogue, le sentiment et la conscience historiques sagement et savamment discutés et entretenus stimulent et entretiennent la coopération jusqu’aux exploits. Chaque histoire dans sa naissance et son évolution de son apogée doit dans sa mesure et limite retransmettre les us et coutumes et les outils de celle-ci. Olugasa, c'est un nom que j'ai inventé qui désigne Ombeni, Lumumba, Garvey et Sankara: Demande de l'ouverture de la justice

(email address removed Rojomoke (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.210.84.207 (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia; you may be looking for fr:? - ????

fr:WP:Guilde des Guides -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

temporarily shut down page

How can I temporarily take down a wiki page that I published too soon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.5.254.13 (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you're the only contributor, you can just redirect the page to another relevant page (for example, redirecting a page about an album to the album's artist) or if you want it actually deleted you can put {{Db-g7}} at the top and an administrator will delete it shortly. Scarce2 (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

You could also, assuming that you have an account and Move rights, move it to a sandbox under your username and then have the redirect deleted. Dismas|^(talk) 21:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

ClueBot edit didn't stick

A few weeks ago ClueBot reverted vandalism at Chrome steel. However, the content is still visible on the page, though it's missing from the source when you go to edit. What could be causing this, and how could it be fixed? I tried purging. --BDD (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I just did a purge and it seems to have gone now, although I have no idea why that didn't work when you tried it. January (talk) 20:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)