Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Faisal of Saudi Arabia/1
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- Result: Kept First look at the article I noticed
Faisal's sons received exceptional education compared to other princes born to Saudi monarchs.
, which seemed too peacocky (I toned it down). I then read the rest of the article thinking I would agree with the nominators view. Apart from the first paragraph in "Religious inclusiveness" (whose source I can't access) it struck me as positive but not overly praising. There are also a few negative sections. Without a presentation of sources showing more criticisms that have been missed there is nothing here that we can really use to judge the non-neutrality of the article. I commend the original reviewer for looking up other sources in this regard and read through this one myself and am seeing nothing negative not presented. There is agreement here that the presented quotes from the article are fine and given the absence of other red flags this appears neutral enough to meet the GA criteria. AIRcorn (talk) 07:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
The article should have a {{POV|date=August 2019}} tag added and be entirely rewritten in a neutral POV. The article reads like an extended resume from a fan, especially the "Early experience" section (which is not even a real section title for biographies). The sentence "In 1962 Prince Faisal helped found the Muslim World League, a worldwide charity to which the Saudi royal family has reportedly since donated more than a billion dollars," is exceptionally braggy.
Sentences similar to "King Faisal seemed to hold the pluralist view," should be entirely rewritten; they are both puffery and biased. The article is also written like a dramatic play, with struggles and winners and losers. There are countless run-on sentences.
This is not a good article. It is poorly written, with unclear and unconcise prose (1a). The article is full of peacock language, and should be entirely rewritten to address the facts (1b). As well, it is not neutral, as the article alternates between a praise piece or governmental propaganda (4).
tldr; This is frankly the worst article I have ever read that qualified as a GA. The status should be removed. Zkidwiki (talk) 01:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: I was the reviewer who passed it as GA. I was also suspicious about the neutrality, but after looking closely I did not find anything problematic. e.g. "In 1962 Prince Faisal helped found the Muslim World League, a worldwide charity to which the Saudi royal family has reportedly since donated more than a billion dollars" is a factual statement supported by an RS. Are you suggesting that the fact that he founded an organization and his family donated to it should be hidden because it makes the subject sound good? Similarly to "King Faisal seemed to hold the pluralist view" I don't see how it is puffery or biased if it's supported by RS. I spot checked several similar statements in the article and they seem to hold up with references. I compared it with other biographies (such as Britannica) and I didn't find any major omission. If you were going to demonstrate neutrality problem with this article I suggest maybe show examples of (a) unsourced statements or those that misrepresent the source, or (b) omission of major facts or point of views (c) inappropriate language or wording. HaEr48 (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: I have to agree with the reviewer's statement above. Though I only scanned through the article, it seems like it's above-adequate in terms of writing. Really seems like facts are supported and stated. Also, I feel the neutrality of this article (in the excerpts provided) is completely unbiased and neutral. It's a fact they donated over a billion dollars, or that he presumably held the pluralist view, not something braggy. FredModulars (talk) 03:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)