Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of heads of state of Gabon/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 06:15, 22 June 2008 [1].

List of heads of state of Gabon

I have extensively altered this page and I want to see if it is ready for FL status. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 20:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - This list is quite small. See Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_candidates#Nominations_of_lists_with_small_scopes. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 20:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Why is there so much space after the Key section and the key section's table?
- It is to make room for the Gabon politics navbox. The lead is admittingly short, but it's hard to write a long lead for a 4 entry list. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 21:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The images are pretty big in the table and perhaps could be smaller so the table isn't stretched too much.
- Changed to 100px. Could someone speedy delete Image:Mba.jpg to make room for the file of the same name at commons? I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 21:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why are there two "Took office" columns?
- Replaced one with "Left office". I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 21:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary King (talk) 21:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it "heads of state of Gabon" instead of "Presidents of Gabon"? --Golbez (talk) 22:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Because Jean-Hilaire Aubame was never president. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 22:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then the table needs some "Presidents" removed. --Golbez (talk) 22:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Why? I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 22:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Sorry, I suppose I was unclear. The table is titled "Presidents". The first column is headed "President". Yet only 3 of the 4 entries were actually Presidents. Therefore, the table needs altering, most likely by changing the word "President" to something else. Also, perhaps we don't need the party information table at all, and you could just link the parties directly in the table. --Golbez (talk) 04:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please use {cite book}, and find some way to explain in the table which ones were presidents and which ones weren't. --Golbez (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No idea how, but the empty space needs to be removed. Also, I miss more information in the list. See List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom for a featured example. More sources would be welcome too. Garion96 (talk) 22:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why? It is an esibly finite list, just check the articles on the heads of state for more. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 22:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - You can check the actual article also for the dates of office, still they are in the list. This list needs more, it already is minute to begin with. Garion96 (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As is, four entries is way to little to warrant it's own page. And two of the entries are the same person! However, Garion's suggestion of looking at the UK list might be a good idea. With some more content per entry, a la the Prime Minister list, the four might not seem so paltry. Though even with such a change, I honestly don't know if that would be enough to make me change my mind. Drewcifer (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Where do you suppose the information would go? I will add some info on the notes. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 22:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Important update: I have now added more information abothe HOSs with refs. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 23:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - {{citeweb}} The only ref provided. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 23:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- There's more than one, but for the African Elections one, DONE. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 00:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not willing to support or oppose to this FLC nomination, but I'll give you some suggestions.

I read some comments above about the list mentioning "President" a lot. You yourself mentioned that one of the heads of state (I think it was Aubame) was not President. Therefore, you should change the section headline from "Presidents" to "Heads of State." You should do the same for the column heading as well.
- Changed. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 10:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which people were de facto heads of state?
- Aubame, though really the country was in chaos. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 10:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please redirect Parti Gabonais du Progrès to Gabonese Party of Progress.
- Done. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 10:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you list PGP, mil, and n-p as parties/political affiliations in your key? They're not relevant to any of the four heads of state.
- They are part of a template of Gabonese politicians that is transcluded onto the page. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 10:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once more work is done on this list in a few days, I would be happy to review it again. Keep up the good work! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dem393 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have one more comment to add:

"Leon M'ba's first term was interrupted by the above mentioned coup...." You never mentioned a coup against M'ba above this text in the lead paragraph. Please revise.--Dem393 (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified, must have been lost in my revamping. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 17:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! Support--Dem393 (talk) 17:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A few comments
- I agree that the white space needs to be removed. It looks terrible.
  - Impossible, unless you contact a developer tochange the software. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 00:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The Notes for the first two entries are very badly-worded and confusing. What relationship did the "revolutionary committee" have to M'ba?
  - Changed to "...a revolutionary committee was formed to govern Gabon during a coup." I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 00:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Aubame usurped his way through the presidency, and was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his role in it. - I don't think "usurped his way through" is a normal construction. The pronoun "it" at the end should refer to "prison", as that's the most recent noun that matches in number and gender, but I'm not sure if "it" is supposed to refer to the usurpation or the presidency itself.
  - Changed to "...his way to the presidency, and was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his role in the coup."
    - Okay, but that's still not a proper use of usurp (at least in American English). It means to "assume, seize, take over, arrogate" or "take the place of". The object should be direct (e.g. either "he usurped the presidency" or "he usurped the guy before him"). But that word's not usually used that way (as an active verb) anyway. Tuf-Kat (talk) 01:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If three entries in the Notes column are to be complete sentences, the last one should be too. And if it isn't a complete sentence, it certainly shouldn't have a period at the end.
  - Changed to "M'ba died in office on his second term."
- Why refer to him as Albert? Normally, we'd use the last name, but since there are special circumstances here, the first name might be acceptable. It appears that his first name was Albert-Bernard, right?
  - Changed to Albert-Bernard. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 00:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd rather remove the key entirely and link to the parties in the Party column.
  - Done. I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 00:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've edited the lead and am now happy with the wording.
Tuf-Kat (talk) 23:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

Avoid just repeating the list name as the intro line of the lead.
- Changed to "Three people have served as heads of state in the history of Gabon..."
"served five consecutive terms " if he's incumbent then I'd say he is still serving then isn't he?
- Changed to "...Omar Bongo is serving his fifth consecutive term..."
4->four, 3->three.
- Done.
You need a key for the political parties, particularly as most don't even have an article.
- There was one earlier, but the concensus was to remove it.
Worth pointing out in the lead that while you're including Aubame, he only served as de facto head of state for a single day.
- Done.
Year ranges should use en-dash, not hyphen.
- Done.
"heads of state " or "Heads of State"?
- "heads of state"
Insufficient citation, e.g. "M'ba was Prime Minister from 1957-1961." and "From 17 to 18 February a revolutionary committee was formed to govern Gabon during a coup. " both need references.
- Cited to the book.
What is ref 2 (Biteghe 19 )?
- The book.
Don't think you need Gabon as a See also - it's linked in the article.
- Removed.

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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