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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]
List of cities in Odesa Oblast (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): Dan the Animator 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With my Crimean list FLN promoted sometime ago, my Kherson list looking like it'll pass, and seeing that I won't be able to finish up the other lists I was working on too soon, thought I'd use the intervening time to continue the series! In the southwest of Ukraine, Odesa has never been occupied by Russia (except Snake Island and I suppose maybe some oil rigs off the coast) in contrast to the other lists that've come through FL. Lots of history and sights, this list might also have some of the most-picturesque photos imo. Looking forward to suggestions and excited to continue to improve the series! :) Dan the Animator 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image and accessibility review by Arconning
[edit]- Accessibility
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time.
- Images
- File:Odesskaya oblast location map.svg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Arcadia-Odessa-aerial-9.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Lebiazhe Lake, 2020.05.03.jpg - CC BY 4.0
- File:Chornomorsk-aerial-2.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- Images have proper licenses, captions, and have alt text
- These are all my comments, hope they can be addressed. :) Arconning (talk) 13:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review Arconning! :) I think I added in the caption param into the table but take a look just in case. For the images, sounds like everything's good so nothing to do with that? Let me know if there's anything else I can do to improve the article and thanks again for the review! Dan the Animator 18:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Nice work! Arconning (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review Arconning! :) I think I added in the caption param into the table but take a look just in case. For the images, sounds like everything's good so nothing to do with that? Let me know if there's anything else I can do to improve the article and thanks again for the review! Dan the Animator 18:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Alavense
[edit]- As of 5 December 2001 - There's a space missing between the reference and the beginning of that sentence.
- From independence in 1991 until 2020 - I think From independence in 1991 to 2020 works better.
- The Port of Kiliya in Kiliia - I think it's weird to have two different transliterations so close together. It makes it look as if they were different places.
That's the only thing I saw, Dantheanimator. I've got a couple of nominations going on, in case you have time and fancy having a look at them. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Alavense! :) I fixed up everything. Let me know if there's anything else I can do. Dan the Animator 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Great work. Support. Alavense (talk) 05:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source review by Generalissima
[edit]Sources seem consistently formatted and laid out. Everything is cited to quality government-affiliated or otherwise reliable sources on the topic. I don't see any statements that lack citations. The data checks out, as does the English language sources. I'm good to Support here. Thank you as always for your good work, Dantheanimator. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- A complete aside; Since you've done a fair bit of research on this topic, have you considered writing a City status in Ukraine article? That could be something that gives more context on this. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Generalissima! :) About my research on the topic, I've been sporadically working on for a few weeks since CMD's comments on the Kherson FLN to find additional sources and try to rework the standardized beginning of the lead to be more precise since it generalizes quiet a bit as-is and could better reflect how city status was handled historically. That said, a City status in Ukraine article is a great idea! :) I'll try to get that article started eventually but probably won't be for a little while and will do it over time since there's a few other things I'm working on (hoping to make my next FLN one of the non-cities Ukrainian lists I've been editing for a while). In any case, let me know if you have any other article suggestions... they're very helpful! Thanks again, Dan the Animator 18:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Dantheanimator The only other suggestion I had would be improving List of renamed cities in Ukraine, which doesn't seem to haave any context, mention the Russian occupation, or include updated info from the (extremely long) List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of derussification and List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of decommunization in 2016. If you really wanted to, you could probably split and merge those other two lists into a list of renamed settlements in each Oblast. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- List of renamed cities in Ukraine is definitely in need of a lot of work. My opinion is that that article would probably benefit from a change in scope so that it only lists name changes not covered by the Crimean, derussification, and decommunization lists (which there are a lot of). About the derussification and decommunization lists, I've already been working with Shwabb1 in improving the derussification list and I think it's going in a good direction. I don't think splitting would be necessary and the current organization with the derussification and decommunization lists, even as long as they both are, are each still readable and not excessively long though @Shwabb1: has more familiarity with the subject area and probably could comment more on this. Dan the Animator 19:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, after second thought, the List of renamed cities in Ukraine could keep its scope and just be redone to have an oblast-by-oblast alphabetical layout with a format similar to List of craters on Mars, with sub-articles if necessary though a single article with a long list like List of craters on Venus makes sense to me. I'd also add that I'm working on making Ukrainian lists of villages by oblast and a lot of them will have over a 1,000 items like the FL List of municipalities in Quebec so the length of the list isn't necessarily always an issue. Dan the Animator 19:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just looking at the name, List of renamed cities in Ukraine is supposed to include only cities (although in its current form, some rural settlements and villages slipped in as well), which means it shouldn't be extremely long. In contrast, the derussification and decommunization lists specifically mention toponyms, not only cities, thus they are much longer. Another problem I see with the renamed cities list is that occasionally it counts the change of the official language as a name change (e.g., Golaya Pristan (1786) → Hola Prystan (1923), or Żółkiew (founded) → Zhovkva (1939), where the language changed from Russian or Polish to Ukrainian but no official renaming occurred). Shwabb1 ⟨taco⟩ 03:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, after second thought, the List of renamed cities in Ukraine could keep its scope and just be redone to have an oblast-by-oblast alphabetical layout with a format similar to List of craters on Mars, with sub-articles if necessary though a single article with a long list like List of craters on Venus makes sense to me. I'd also add that I'm working on making Ukrainian lists of villages by oblast and a lot of them will have over a 1,000 items like the FL List of municipalities in Quebec so the length of the list isn't necessarily always an issue. Dan the Animator 19:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- List of renamed cities in Ukraine is definitely in need of a lot of work. My opinion is that that article would probably benefit from a change in scope so that it only lists name changes not covered by the Crimean, derussification, and decommunization lists (which there are a lot of). About the derussification and decommunization lists, I've already been working with Shwabb1 in improving the derussification list and I think it's going in a good direction. I don't think splitting would be necessary and the current organization with the derussification and decommunization lists, even as long as they both are, are each still readable and not excessively long though @Shwabb1: has more familiarity with the subject area and probably could comment more on this. Dan the Animator 19:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Dantheanimator The only other suggestion I had would be improving List of renamed cities in Ukraine, which doesn't seem to haave any context, mention the Russian occupation, or include updated info from the (extremely long) List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of derussification and List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of decommunization in 2016. If you really wanted to, you could probably split and merge those other two lists into a list of renamed settlements in each Oblast. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Generalissima! :) About my research on the topic, I've been sporadically working on for a few weeks since CMD's comments on the Kherson FLN to find additional sources and try to rework the standardized beginning of the lead to be more precise since it generalizes quiet a bit as-is and could better reflect how city status was handled historically. That said, a City status in Ukraine article is a great idea! :) I'll try to get that article started eventually but probably won't be for a little while and will do it over time since there's a few other things I'm working on (hoping to make my next FLN one of the non-cities Ukrainian lists I've been editing for a while). In any case, let me know if you have any other article suggestions... they're very helpful! Thanks again, Dan the Animator 18:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 16:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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