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List of cities in Manitoba

Featured list candidates/List of cities in Manitoba/archive1

Nominator(s): B3251_(talk) 16:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominating in similar fashion to my previous nomination for List of cities in New Brunswick. Please let me know if I should expand upon or change anything and I'll be more than happy to do so. Thanks, reviewers! B3251_(talk) 16:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"are formed under the 1996 Municipal Act" => "are formed under the terms of the 1996 Municipal Act"
"In order to label an urban municipality as a city in Manitoba" => "In order for an urban municipality in Manitoba to be labelled as a city"
"the municipal governments of each city contains a mayor;" => "the municipal government of each city contains a mayor;"
"the two largest cities has wards," =>"the two largest cities have wards,"
"in both population and by land area" => "both in population and by land area"
"which has 749,607 residents and spanning 461.78 square kilometres" => "which has 749,607 residents and spans 461.78 square kilometres"
"The most recent incorporated city in the province was Morden," => "The most recent city to be incorporated in the province was Morden,"
That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done B3251_(talk) 22:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verification check MrLinkinPark333

Prose

"sixth largest by land area" - Needs an extra source to specify the territories as it's eighth overall. Stats Canada combines the provinces with the territories
"Cities, towns and villages... minimum population of 7,500" - Needs page numbers (page 1 and page 27).
"although Flin Flon, part of which is in the neighbouring province of Saskatchewan," - Stats Canada lists this as Flin Flon (Part) but does not specify the other part is in Saskatchewan.
Manitoba's capital and largest city -> Manitoba's largest city (as Stats Canada doesn't specify that Winnipeg is the capital of Manitoba).
the two largest cities has wards," -> two cities have wards (as the election source doesn't state population).

Table

Citation #9 (MHS Resources: Manitoba Communities) doesn't mention any of the incorporation dates and can be removed. The source next to each date are sufficient enough for verification.
The Regions need a citation.
Citation needed for the note saying Flin Flon is in Manitoba and Saskatchewan.
Pop. densities need a slight fix based on Stats Canada source: Flin Flon 376.1, Morden 609.6, Winkler 663.1

--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrLinkinPark333 Partially done: I've gone ahead and made some changes, but I could not find an extra source in land area. Please let me know what can be done about that. Regarding the regions, my assumption is that it would be WP:SKYBLUE because this can be verified just based on their geographic locations, and is what I'm guessing to be the reason why my also recently-nominated List of cities in New Brunswick passed without requiring citations for the counties each city belong to in there. B3251_(talk) 23:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to land area, I think an extra source that specifically states the names of the 10 provinces could help. This could be placed adjacent to the Stats Canada source, as it says Canada, provinces and territories. For the regions, I'm not sure if it's pass common knowledge per "easily verified by a non-specialized map". This doesn't have regions while this uses different regions..Otherwise:

The Government of Manitoba source also needs page 1 to show the 1996 Municipal Act..
sixth largest by land area" -> might want to reword to "sixth largest province by land area" to avoid confusion.
The Canadian Encyclopedia source can be reused for the note for Flin Flon in the table.
The Population densities still need adjusting.

MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrLinkinPark333:

Done B3251_(talk) 16:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're almost there:

The archived Government of Manitoba source from 2009 doesn't list Winkler and Morden as cities of Pembina Valley.
The archived Government of Manitoba source uses Northern and Winnipeg Capital regions, instead of Northern Manitoba and Winnipeg Metropolitan. Perhaps an extra source with these names can be added here, especially since Winnipeg Capital was renamed Winnipeg Metropolitan.
I'm not sure if the archived Government of Manitoba source is 100% clear that Selkrik is also in Winnipeg Capital. The two sources showing Interlake & Winnipeg Capital could help here.
Still need a source about sixth largest province to show the ten provinces. This can be placed next to the Stats Canada source.

MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrLinkinPark333

The archived Government of Manitoba source from 2009 doesn't list Winkler and Morden as cities of Pembina Valley.

If I were to guess for this situation, the map was most likely initially created before both cities were incorporated. I just used the Pembina Valley region map to clarify this because it shows both communities.

Regarding the other sources, I'm having a difficult time with finding sources for specifically the names and I'm both confused and unsure of what to do. One moment please. B3251_(talk) 14:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@B3251: Have you addressed all of @MrLinkinPark333's concerns yet? Just following up, not pressuring or rushing you. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Hey man im josh, almost. I've had trouble with finding sources to address the following of MrLinkinPark333's concerns:

Source for Manitoba being the sixth-largest province in land area, with a specific focus on the ten provinces.
Source that specifically names certain regions exactly like their article counterparts: Winnipeg Metropolitan Region and Northern Manitoba.

B3251_(talk) 20:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With the sixth-largest province in land area, yoo can keep the Statistics Canada source and add a source naming the ten provinces next to it. If you're having trouble finding sources using Winnipeg Metropolitan Region and Northern Manitoba, you could use the Government of Manitoba naming instead and pipe them to the article names. I have been in your situation before with having difficultly finding exact sources. It's not just you :) MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrLinkinPark333 thanks for the advice, will try to do soon B3251_(talk) 10:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not following up on this yet, I'll look for the sources this week. B3251_(talk) 19:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @B3251. Please consider this a gentle request to finish up on addressing @MrLinkinPark333's concerns. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrLinkinPark333 done, apologies for the delay B3251_(talk) 18:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Thank you for working on this continuously. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

Could you add a reference that helps verify note a? I understand you explain it in the lead, but it could be beneficial to name the references and add them to the note
Consider changing 2021 Census of Population to 2021 Canadian census, so match the target article
Can we come up with a better title than "total cities" for the row that sums up the stats?
Consider adding a note, possibly in a note next to "Manitoba" in the bottom row of the table, that explains the total population includes xyz
Ref 9 – Inconsistent when compared ot the other city website sources, move the entry for the "publisher" parameter to "website" for consistency among similar references
Ref 10 – Publisher is unnecessary and adding it makes it inconsistent with ref 1.
Ref 1 – Move the entry for publisher to the website or work parameter (based on Template:Cite web, this seems more appropriate)

That's what I've got for now. Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: Partially done: first three done, please let me know what you think. I have a couple of questions:

Regarding your request to add a note explaining total population including 'xyz', do you mean that the total population of Manitoba includes the listed cities?
Ref 9 can be replaced with news sources such as 1 / 2 (same agency). Let me know if you think this would be preferable.

I'll get everything else done once I hear back just for extra clarity. Thanks! B3251_(talk) 17:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@B3251: Sorry, I had a lot of pings and I missed a few I needed to respond to. As for the point of clarification, I was suggesting a note to clarify where the rest of the total, not including the listed cities, comes from. For ref 9, the source itself isn't the issue, it's that you used publisher, which default to non-italicized text, whereas your other citations to city websites used the website/work parameter, which defaults to italicized. I made the change myself though, which means the references to City of X are now consistently italicized. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh Hi josh, thanks for clarifying for me and also making that adjustment. Regarding the clarification note for Manitoba's total population, would you consider it acceptable for the note to state that the rest of the population comes from Manitoba's other municipalities etc? Thanks, B3251_(talk) 16:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that's fine @B3251. I just want a note that answers the inevitable question of "where's the rest of that population number come from?" Hey man im josh (talk) 18:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @B3251 as a follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh Sorry, I haven't gotten around to making updates. I'll try finishing this tomorrow. B3251_(talk) 13:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh Sorry for being late in notifying you, but I did finish this soon after I made the comment. B3251_(talk) 14:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alavense

Manitoba currently has 137 municipalities, out of which ten are categorized as cities - As per MOS:NUMNOTES: "Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures, even if one of the numbers would normally be written differently".
Could something be said about regions? They are introduced in the table with no previous mention.
the smallest by land area is Dauphin which covers - A comma is missing before "which".
I think it's a bit weird to have Population (2016) under 2021 Canadian census.
Nothing is said about the functions of cities or municipalities at large. I think that would come in handy.

That's what I saw, B3251. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 09:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alavense Changed two of these, though I have some comments in response to other points which can correspond more with List of cities in New Brunswick, which I had passed around 1-2 months ago.

Regions: I'm unsure if regions have to be mentioned prior because the list is about cities specifically, not the regions. The regions are just included in the table to show where geographically the cities are located.
I had this with the New Brunswick list which was fine (though someone recently changed this with 2023 redistribution data instead). The 2016 population is included under the 2021 census because the Canadian census includes the 2016 data themselves for population comparison.

Thanks, B3251_(talk) 16:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the explanations. Support. Alavense (talk) 07:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

I still view this as a fork for List of municipalities in Manitoba as I did with the New Brunswick page. Perhaps if it included something different like former cities? As it is, it's just copied from the main list. Also splitting the gallery seems like an odd choice. Mattximus (talk) 22:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@B3251: Please respond to the above when you get a chance. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alavense @Hey man im josh I feel that Hwy43 explained this better than I ever could in my nomination for New Brunswick. If it seems necessary to include former cities I can, but the New Brunswick nomination, which has two less cities than this list, ultimately passed without adding former cities (mostly just two cities that amalgamated with Saint John). B3251_(talk) 17:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you intended to ping Mattximus here. Alavense (talk) 07:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read the previous nomination and it was suggested by another user to add both former cities, and explain why some municipalities have the qualifications for a city but are not cities. Both suggestions were not made before promotion. I would echo that these should be included in this article and the other one before promotion. Otherwise it's just a fork. Mattximus (talk) 15:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do still think that the way Wikipedia handles Canadian cities vs. municipalities lists needs some rethinking, but given prior precedents, this meets the criteria for promotion. I would urge the nominator to differentiate the cities lists as bit more from the municipalities lists. Promoting. --Pres N 21:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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