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Paige Bueckers

Nominator(s): Sportzeditz (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Paige Bueckers, one of the most promising women's basketball players and currently a top player at the college level for UConn. She was considered the best high school basketball player in the United States at Hopkins High School in Minnesota, and had a historic first season at UConn, becoming the first freshman to win a national college player of the year award. Bueckers has several gold medals representing the United States in youth tournaments.

This article briefly went through a peer review and I believe it meets the criteria of a featured article. It is comprehensive and well-sourced, illustrated with many good images, and its content does not change significantly on a daily basis. Although it is early in the subject's career, I have been a regular contributor to this article for nearly 2 years and expect to make sure it remains up to date. Sportzeditz (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review no licensing issues found (t · c) buidhe 20:53, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: I restored some of the more notable awards in the infobox (mostly national honors), and added sources to the awards section you created. Let me know if you have further input on this. Sportzeditz (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

14 awards in the infobox still seems like far too many. (The infobox is supposed to provide basic information at a quick glance; excessive length undermines its purpose). A better approach might be "see the body" and link the body section where the awards are listed. (t · c) buidhe 20:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: It is common for basketball biographies to have a long list of awards (see FA-class articles like Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan), so I would be interested in hearing others' thoughts on this before removing more awards. Sportzeditz (talk) 15:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude

Please be advised that I have watched precisely one basketball game in my life, so am approaching this from a decidedly non-expert position :-)
"winning all four she was eligible for" => "winning all four for which she was eligible"

Done. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"She led her team in three-point shooting" - is there an appropriate wikilink for "three-point shooting"?

Done. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"In seventh grade, Bueckers played for the tenth grade and junior varsity basketball teams at Hopkins High School" - I am not 100% clued up on how grades work in US schools, but the article on the school suggests that it only starts from the tenth grade. Does this mean she played for a school which she did not attend? Is this normal? Did any sort of special dispensation have to be given?

I believe this is normal. The handbook from the Minnesota State High School League says that students in 7th grade can be eligible to play for high school teams. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"earning All-Metro first team honors" - what does "All-Metro" mean?

I have added a link to the Minneapolis–Saint Paul metropolitan area. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"She was additionally one of three finalists for the Gatorade National Player of the Year award" - no need to link the award again as you only just linked it in the last paragraph

Done. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Bueckers moved to the Minnesota Metro Stars AAU program" - I had to stop for a minute here and think what AAU could be, so maybe put it in brackets where you used its full name before

Done. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"During her senior season, Star Tribune columnist" - no need to link the paper again

Done. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"a 63–59 overtime win over No. 1 South Carolina." - in what were they number one?

Added link to AP Poll. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Bueckers's father, Bob Bueckers, played high school basketball as a point guard." - no need to link point guard again

Done. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If she's at university, is it worth mentioning what subject her degree course is in (assuming this is public knowledge)? Or does it not work like that in the US?

I have not been able to find this information, although it is sometimes publicly available for college athletes. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I got on a first pass. An engaging read even with essentially no knowledge of the subject matter :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: I have addressed all of the points. Thanks for the review. Sportzeditz (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:37, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Sportsfan77777

Noting that I reviewed this article for GA, and again at peer review, hence the quick support. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 07:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some minor comments:

In the first sentence, "Big East Conference (add "in NCAA Division I")"
She has experience in 3x3 basketball ===>>> She was a Youth Olympic gold medalist in 3x3 basketball
She has a slim build, which encourages opposing teams to force her to play through contact,[109] but displays quickness and agility. <<<=== Maybe restructure or move the last part of this sentence to a new sentence. Also, I think "quickness and agility" is what you might expect from a slim player, so I'm not sure you need the "but".
Typically, an awards and honors section goes after all of the prose (see e.g. LeBron James).
I think "Footnotes" is usually just written as "Notes", not sure if there is a reason for that.

Also, you need to add alt text for the images. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 08:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Sources are an appropriate mix of sports news websites/newspapers, local news websites/newspapers, and official team websites. I don't see anything questionable.
Since you link most of the sources, you could link CT Post to Connecticut Post.
There are a few instances of BIG EAST being in all caps when it doesn't need to be.
ESPN is a publisher. It is correct in most sources, but there are a few where it is referred to as a website.
Use the User:InternetArchiveBot to archive all of the sources if you can. Otherwise, just archive the ones below using Internet Archive (or replace if not available).

Links not working:

Spotchecks:

In [95], "She matched the program record for points in a season opener set by Kerry Bascom in 1989", I see the source says the most points since Bascom, but not that it was a program record.
The following sources support the associated statements: [25] (first sophomore to win award), [47] (career stats), [51] (finalists), [68] (Maya Moore), [101] (tournament stats), [114] (signature shot)

Sources appear to be in good shape. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsfan77777: I addressed all of your points and thank you for the support. Sportzeditz (talk) 16:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sportsfan77777, just checking that the source review is a pass? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AryKun

Like Chris, my experience of basketball consists of half an NBA game and The Last Dance, so a non-expert review here as well.
"as well as football" → Maybe specify American football?
Link assists at first mention.
"selected as Big East Preseason" → "selected as the Big East Preseason"
Is there a link for "osteochondral"?

I could not find a suitable link.

"Bangkok, Thailand" → Here, the link includes just Bangkok, but you previously include both the city and the state it's in (eg Edina, Minnesota). Be consistent.
"Doha, Qatar" → See above
That's all I could find. AryKun (talk) 05:09, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AryKun: All done. Sportzeditz (talk) 16:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support AryKun (talk) 03:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Although not required, a review at my FAC would be appreciated.

Drive-by from CPA

There's a MOS:SANDWICH issue in the High school career section. Please remove this issue. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CPA-5: Done. Sportzeditz (talk) 16:31, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thank you for that. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 16:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HF - support

Will review this one. Hog Farm _Talk 01:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

" and has been considered one of the top players of her generation." - See WP:RS/AC; is there a source that specifically says this is a consensus? If not, you'll need attribution

@Hog Farm: I removed this statement after not finding a source saying it is consensus. Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

date of birth does not appear to be cited anywhere

Added. Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Bueckers became friends with future National Basketball Association (NBA) player Jalen Suggs while in elementary school" - a bit nitpicky, but the source doesn't support that Suggs in an NBA player, because it was published before he was drafted

Added a source from after he was drafted Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Cosgriff nicknamed her Olive Oyl, in reference to the slender cartoon character, due to her thin build" - is this due weight?

Removed Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"She led Hopkins to a 31–1 record, suffering her only loss to Elk River High School " - recommend rephrasing this to stress more that it was the team's only loss, as basketball is not an individual sport As screamed by coaches across the country, "There is no 'I' in team!"

Done Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"In January 2018, as a sophomore, Bueckers was sidelined with an ankle injury that had been hurting her up to that point in the season" - recommend indicating the start of the HS ball season for comparison (IIRC it's November in MO, not sure about MN)

Rephrased to indicate it begins in November Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"On March 16, she scored 13 points to win the Class 4A state championship, 74–45, over Stillwater Area High School" - again "as the team won" or some other phrasing; basketball is a team sport

Done Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"leading Hopkins to another undefeated season and 62 consecutive wins" - it's not specified that the prior season was undefeated, so the use of "another" stands out as odd

Done Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Bueckers has been regarded as the best player in Minnesota girls' high school basketball history" - again RS/AC; do either of the sources specifically say that this is consensus? The first one doesn't seem to, and the second one seems to be dead.

Changed statement to "one of the best" as it does not appear to be consensus Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

" the No. 1 team" - is the tool tip needed? If it's considered necessary to give the tool tip, go ahead and spell it out

Done Sportzeditz (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hog Farm _Talk 02:14, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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