User talk:Zaubertinte

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Hi @JdcomixJdomix,

thank you for your message regarding my "first article" in Wikipedia. In fact, it is supposed to be a translation of my article already published in the German Wikipedia, but I am still struggling with the translation tools, as the template for a company profile in the American Wikipedia differs from the German one.

My article has been reviewed by several reviewers, has as references the Japanese Patent Office, the Japanese Tax Office and so on.

I would also like to publish my article in the American Wikipedia, as airbrushing is much more popular in America than in Germany / Europe and I think that my article would enrich the American Wikipedia.

So if someone speaks German as a native or second language, I would be very happy about your support and would appreciate it if you would suspend the deletion request for the time being.

Thanks! Zaubertinte (talk) 14:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Jdcomix (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciated, but says "Done"?

Have you made sure that the deletion request is suspended? Do you have someone on hand who speaks German and can help me with the various templates? :-)

Thanks anyway for your swift turnaround! Zaubertinte (talk) 15:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Jdcomix, thank you for your patience with me and my article. I have now finished the article and would be happy if you can explain to me how I can actually publish the article shifting from my user space. There is a special function for this in the user interface of the German Wikipedia, but I can't find it here... Thanks in advance! Zaubertinte (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Zaubertinte/Hokushin Seiki

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Hokushin Seiki (September 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

You have not proven notability. Your job is to show by reference ng that it passes WP:NCORP

Patent and trademark registrations are not useful for referencing. Anyone can register these, just by supplying the fee.

Blogs are useless, as are instruction manuals.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Hokushin Seiki and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Timtrent,

First of all, thank you for your quick response. Even if for me it is as disappointing as it is incomprehensible...

My article “Hokushin Seiki” met the so-called “relevance criteria” in the German Wikipedia without any problems, equals “WP:ENCORP” in the American Wikipedia, and was published after reviews (just like you do). It's not a completely new article, it already exists. I just had problems with Wikipedia's translation function because, for example, the INFOBOX:COMPANY template in English does not correspond to the German template. So I decided to create the article as a “new” article in the American Wikipedia.

And to be honest, I would have expected the article to be even more relevant here, since airbrushing is much more popular and widespread in the US than in Germany or Europe. And for anyone who deals with the topic of airbrushing, this article is really interesting.

Hokushin Seiki is the airbrush manufacturer for decades and if you bother to re-read the article after my answer, you will hopefully see why the patents - especially when compared to the technical drawings in the instruction manuals of well-known airbrush brands - are interesting and important as a reference.

I really hope that I was able to express my surprise at the refusal to publish my article in a polite and understandable way and I look forward to a positive response from you.

Thanks a lot. Zaubertinte (talk) 16:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zaubertinte This perplexes people when they ask for an article form a language version of Wikipedia with less stringent policies than the English Language Wikipedia. What you need to know is that all the language versions are independent. I agree that this is somewhat bizarre, but it is so. You have indeed expressed your surprise.

There is no "American Wikipedia" though.

The issue that you have is that 'interesting' does not equate to 'notable'. Your job is to prove that thge org passes WP:NCORP. I'm sure it does, but the references are not acceptable here, and you will need to find better ones.

If you have translate this from the German version you must attribute it on the talk page, using {{Translated page}} please. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I wasn't happy with the translation function because of the different templates. ;-)

So now I'm in a quandary... I fully understand the difference between interesting and notable and have already walked this tightrope with my German phrasing and references, if you know what I mean?!

Notable about this company is that they have been producing airbrushes for countless companies (Iwata-Medea, GSI, Ginza, VOLKS, Tamiya, Wave... I could list 20/30...) for decades, but no one knows who they are. It's 2024 and this company doesn't even have a website! :-O But the fine line is just that: explaining how important this company is without “revealing,” let alone embarrassing, its ODM customers. In this context it is also about company secrets and so on. Actually at this stage I don't know what to do. But thanks for the talk page redirect. Zaubertinte (talk) 17:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest your first search should be for references. The corp smells notable, but we have to verify that. Anything you cannot reference should be discarded until you can find a reference.

Of course it would make sense if all the Wikipedias were the same. That will (now) be a huge project which could have been made easier by design at the very beginning. Templates will trip everyine up!

I will predict that all language versions will become more stringent with inclusion criteria as time passes. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, challenge accepted. :-) But without violating any copying rights of the selling companies, providing appropriate references could take some time. Therefore a request: leave my draft for now.

And it would be really great to be able to get all of these different language templates under one roof!

Thank you! Zaubertinte (talk) 17:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drafts are editable by all, but I am doing nothing with it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the talk page template for you. If you woudl like a further opinion please post a request at WP:AFCHD when other reviewers will also be happy to guide you.

Hello, Zaubertinte! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]