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Thank you so much for the warm welcome! I am relatively new to wikipedia and am focused on just a few pages for editting until I become more experienced, so I deeply appreciate the welcome and the helpful information! Wikiman5676 (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Mano Laohavanich

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons. Thank you. JimRenge (talk) 12:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Please take your time to read our policy about Biographies of living persons, verifiability, neutral point of view, original research and WP:ATTACK. Self-published sources, such as [1] and [2] are not acceptable per WP:BLPSPS and BLPPRIMARY. Thank you JimRenge (talk) 13:03, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry, I thought that was an appropriate edit and source because it was directly from him and it seemed to support the previous statement. Thank you for the warning, I will be more careful when adding material. Given this I will refrain from editing this particular page for the time being until I get more familiar with Wikipedia policies in practice. Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:41, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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hello Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ, thank you for the advice. would you mind providing an example of what I can do to improve the article? Thanks Wikiman5676 (talk) 05:08, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Peace Revolution (November 16)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Keep up the good work! S Khemadhammo (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Article Merit (Buddhism) submitted for peer review

Hello Wikiman, you might be interested to weigh in:

Wikipedia:Peer review#Merit (Buddhism)

See you later, --S Khemadhammo (talk) 01:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

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um. I did not copy anything. According to that revolvy site the article was copied from Wikipedia Wikiman5676 (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

GA nomination Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro

Wikiman5676, a user has been so kind as to start a GA assessment of the article on Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro. There is only a seven-day period to correct all suggestions, so it is a bit of a race against the clock. I might need your help on this. Thanks! --Farang Rak Tham (talk) 17:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Really? 7 days? okay. Wikiman5676 (talk) 17:29, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

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On 9 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro ordained the British monk who set up the first Theravada monastic community in Britain? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Yes this was indeed an error. I have fixed. Wikiman5676 (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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You might be interested to join the Wikipedia cup competition on Wikipedia:WikiCup/2018 signups. Lots of GA reviewing and nominating. Could be interesting to put Buddhism a bit more on the map. I have signed up myself as well, but am currently in the middle of an intensive Pali course.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 07:50, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

GA review Wat Phra Dhammakaya

Hello Wikiman, A user has been so kind to start a GA review about Wat Phra Dhammakaya. You might want to follow the review and perhaps assist now and then, since you have contributed to it so much.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 13:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC) Farang Rak Tham (talk) 13:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Assessment vs. peer review

Hello, I noticed you submitted some articles for reassessment, and then also requested feedback. However, feedback is usually given through a peer review process instead. On Wikiprojects, they usually just assess quality. Try submitting at WP:PEER REVIEW as well.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 08:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the headsup. Wikiman5676 (talk) 03:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

If you assess my articles Buddhist devotion and Sacca-kiriya, I will assess any article you want. Agreed?--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 21:00, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Sure. just give me some time to get to it. I'd really like the Tzu Chi article reassessed. I'm curious if my edits improved its quality enough to improve its assessment. Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

I rejoice in your merit for your assessments. I was wondering whether the sacca-kiriya article made any sense.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 10:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

made sense to me. But then again I am a practicing Buddhist. Wikiman5676 (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

DYK entry?

Hello Wikiman, I have come up with a Did You Know? entry, for Wikipedia's first page: User:Farang Rak Tham/sandbox#Wat Phra Dhammakaya. It has not been submitted yet. Let me know what you think.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 09:33, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Farang Rak Tham how about something about the temple stopping a listing on the Thai stock market from Thaibev? Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:37, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

i feel like that would be more interesting Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:46, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay, Wikiman5676, why don't you give it a try? You can replace the ALT1 line.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 08:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I have submitted Wat Phra Dhammakaya's and Khun Yai Chandra Khonnokyoong's DYK now. I am continuing with History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 23:40, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Farang Rak ThamShouldnt the entry have said"... that a new Buddhist temple started in the 1970s in Thailand, has grown to a number of three million practitioners globally?" instead of that has grown?

Which DYK entry do you mean? The entry I submitted is here.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 08:41, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Meanwhile, here is a draft for the DYK entry for History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya:

• Did you know that ... the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Phra Dhammakaya organized protests which prevented alcoholic beverage company ThaiBev from listing on the stock market?
• Did you know that ... the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Phra Dhammakaya broke a Guinness World Record for organizing the longest journey walking over flower petals?

Draft DYK Wat Paknam Bhasicharoen:

• Did you know that ... the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Paknam Bhasicharoen organizes blood donations every three months? [problem: only Thai source]
• Did you know that ... Somdet Chuang Varapuñño of the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Paknam Bhasicharoen set up a national program to promote ethical precepts in Thai society?

Let me know what you think, and if you have any further ideas, feel free to add them to the list.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 09:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I was talking about the 3 million followers DYK. I'll take a closer look in several hours have to go to work.

For history I think something like Did you know that ... the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Phra Dhammakaya organized protests which prevented what would have been the largest listing on the Thai stock market at the time? Wikiman5676 (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Mm. But then you didn't mention the name of the company. But if we did Did you know that ... the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Phra Dhammakaya organized protests which prevented what would have been the largest listing on the Thai stock market of an alcoholic beverage company?, this would change the meaning. Er...--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 17:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Farang Rak Tham ...the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Phra Dhammakaya organized protests which prevented ThaiBev from listing on the stock market in what would have been the largest listing in Thai history?

Maybe something like this? Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:43, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

But how would people know they produce alcoholic beverages? How about "...the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Phra Dhammakaya organized protests which prevented a beer company from listing on the stock market, in what would have been the largest listing in Thai history?" Although I am afraid it is still too lengthy. Anyway, I am posting it. Anything other ideas for the history article?--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Posted here.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 12:59, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

For Wat Paknam I would like to throw out a more direct idea. Did you know that....the Buddhist monk Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro transformed a nearly abandoned Thai temple into a prosperous center of meditation with over 500 monks (the highest in Thailand at the time)? Wikiman5676 (talk) 02:53, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I like it, though we have to cut it a little. You can't have more than 200 characters. And there's another problem, in that the two Thai sources that support this statement are now paywalled and I didn't keep a copy of them. So I have to find another source with the same statement, or pay a fee to enter the Matichon newspaper clippings library. It's actually not that expensive, but you need a Thai bank account to pay them. :-(

Still, the statement is worth it. I am starting to look in the sources that I did keep.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Found a better source and added it.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 10:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Posted it here for the time being.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 09:45, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Photos

Hello,

I noticed your activity on the Wat Phra Dhammakaya page and that you helped get it to Good article status. Thank you! I noticed that none of the photos on the page or the History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya page had photos of the standoff itself. I actually have several personal photos taken during the standoff that I have uploaded. Was wondering if you would find it suitable to upload a few to both of the pages.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dhammakaya_Standoff.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gates_of_Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya_during_Article_44.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Police_squadron_prepare_to_enter_Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monks_and_laypeople_sit_peacefully_at_Dhammakaya_gates.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya_street_during_article_44.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alms_offering_at_Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya_during_lockdown.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monks_from_other_temples_protest_Dhammakaya_lockdown.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dhammakaya_monks_sit_and_picket_soldiers.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dhammakaya_monks_chanting_with_soldiers.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Police_squadron_prepare_to_enter_Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dhammakaya_monks_hold_signs_against_junta_forces.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lone_monk_at_Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya_during_article_44.jpg

Thank you again for your contributions and improving the articles to good article status. DhLeaks44 (talk) 18:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

thank you! I forgot to thank you for the article 44 pics. they were great additions to the articles! Wikiman5676 (talk) 05:13, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Wat Phra Dhammakaya

On 25 February 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wat Phra Dhammakaya, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Wat Phra Dhammakaya contains a large monument with a million Buddha statues? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wat Phra Dhammakaya. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Wat Phra Dhammakaya), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

The DYK for Wat Phra Dhammakaya got the article a whopping 3,345 hits. Let's keep this up!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 08:51, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Precious

"make contributions where I think they are suitable"

Thank you for quality articles focused on Buddhism in Thailand, such as Wat Phra Dhammakaya, Mano Laohavanich and Peace Revolution, performed in collaboration, for suggesting images and for condensing, for "looking to make contributions where I think they are suitable", - casual Wikipedian, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I am happy to see that people are a fan of my contributions! Wikiman5676 (talk) 03:00, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello from P Farang

Hello WM, check this information...

Also, there is an entry about Dhammakaya meditation at the DYKs, for which I also put your name. Comments are welcome over there.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:53, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

I like those DYK suggestions a lot actually. Wikiman5676 (talk) 05:45, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Really? I'm glad. I thought you'd hate the dolls, hehe.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:31, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Its an excellent analogy for the 18 bodies actually. Wikiman5676 (talk) 01:15, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Dhammakaya Movement

On 11 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dhammakaya Movement, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Dhammakaya Movement teaches that Nirvana exists as a literal reality within each individual? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dhammakaya Movement. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dhammakaya Movement), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya

On 18 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Thai Buddhist temple Wat Phra Dhammakaya broke a Guinness World Record for organizing the longest journey walking over flower petals? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, History of Wat Phra Dhammakaya), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Dhammakaya meditation

On 23 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dhammakaya meditation, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Luang Pu Sodh Candasaro set up a "meditation workshop" to practice Dhammakaya meditation in shifts? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dhammakaya meditation. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dhammakaya meditation), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Interested in serial murder becomes saint?

I am currently working on Aṅgulimāla. You might want to help. Lots of discussion, many sources. The article in its current form still needs much improvement. I have a Dropbox folder with articles not used yet over here. Let me know if you are available. No rush of course.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Cool, yeah i can make some contributions later. I am a bit occupied at the moment tho and cant make any major commitments. I have some classes i need to finish up. Wikiman5676 (talk) 03:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, take your time!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:17, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Peer review 112

You might want to weigh in.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 17:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

script page

Hello Wikiman, you were asking about the script page I talked about. This is Special:MyPage/common.js. Everyone has a page like this. You can upload apps on this page that will facilitate editing. Instructions can be found on WP:US. I use quite a list of scripts: User:Farang_Rak_Tham/common.js.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:45, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh okay. very cool. Thank you very much. Wikiman5676 (talk) 01:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Global Buddhist Network

On 11 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Global Buddhist Network, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Global Buddhist Network used to be a Thai television station featuring Buddhist content, but was shut down by the Thai military junta? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Global Buddhist Network. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Global Buddhist Network), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations DYK entry

You might want to take a look at this.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

For a DYK review to pass, one of the nominators must also review another user's DYK nomination. This is called QPQ. In the case of this DYK, would you like to do the honors?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused by your statement, do you want me to nominate it or to review this DYK? Wikiman5676 (talk) 01:23, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I would like you to ask you to review another DYK nomination. For each DYK nomination to pass, one needs to review another. Since your name is also on the DYK nomination for 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations, you can also fulfill the requirement.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh ok. but the rule says if I have nominated less than 5 articles for DYK i dont need to fulfill the QPQ requirement. I haven't nominated any, so I dont think that's even necessary. the DYKBot credits me with more than five already, but according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Reviewing_guide#Finishing_the_review it doesn't only include nominations, as i haven't done any yet. If what what the bot has credited me for does count then I'll do one to meet the QPQ requirement. Wikiman5676 (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay Farang Rak Tham so just for the sake of learning how to do DYK reviews i did one here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Australamphilina_elongata do I have to wait until its completed to use it for the QPQ? Wikiman5676 (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Nice job! Sadhu! I suppose we have to do QPQ because the entry has my name as the main nominator, and I have already submitted more than five DYK entries.

You don't have to finish the review to be able to post a link to it at 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations. So you did it right.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:22, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikiman, I think we need to discuss some possible other DYKs and come to a consensus on them, otherwise our Japan-lover is messing everything up again. These are my suggestions:

1. ... that a Thai government department was accused of wasting a large amount of government budget meant for temples, but was allowed to investigate such fraud by themselves?
2. ... that the Thai junta defrocked a number of high-ranking monks before trial in the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations? [This one is yours, he has omitted to review it]
3. ... that a Thai monk fled and asked asylum in Germany when he was accused in the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations?

Although our Japan-lover has proposed that we nominate a hook involving the investigations leading to calls for reform in Thai Buddhism, or a hook relating to international or domestic responses, I am pretty sure that the former would be too speculative and not quite to the point, and the latter would be marked for lacking neutrality. But nevertheless, as a token of good will, we could propose:

4 ... that several Thai Buddhist networks sued Pongporn Pramsaneh, head of a Thai government department, accusing him of fraud and negligence in the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations?

5 ... critics accused the Thai junta of using the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations as a cover-up for their own failings?

Cant think of anything else except maybe 5. Wikiman5676 (talk) 05:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

How about 6. ... 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations led to the defrocking of high ranking monks and was seen as a form of political revenge? Wikiman5676 (talk) 05:30, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Well formulated. But for most people, defrocking of a monk is quite a meaningless event. Most Christian monks do not wear their robes most of the time, and for Western people defrocking is an abstract ceremony run by church officials. I do like the part on revenge though, but we can't say it was seen—that's too general. But was seen by critics should be okay. May I suggest an amendment:

7. ... that the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations led to the detainment of high-ranking monks and was seen by critics as political revenge?

What do you think?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure.or maybe something like "imprisonment" or "arrest" instead of detainment. Wikiman5676 (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Good point. I actually started a discussion about the word detain on the talk page of the article. Let's try again, shall we?:

8. ... that the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations led to the imprisonment of high-ranking monks and was seen by critics as political revenge?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I propose to submit hooks 2, 5 and 8. What do you think?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Wikiman5676 (talk) 18:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

We made it.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)