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Server 2008/IE7 screenshot

I have reuploaded with a high quality .png shot so dont revert please. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamieostrich (talk • contribs) 10:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

RMS

Hi Warren, havent seen you around for long. Taking a wikibreak? Anyways, if you are around, could you please put your thoughts on Talk:Windows Rights Management Services#Article name. --soum ^talk 15:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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You know, I'm more than happy with your original screenshot. No clutter, no fuss. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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MiB vs MB - Thanks

Thanks for your prevailing sense in the Vista edits on MiB vs MB. peterl 22:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Hi

Oh...my...god....your name is Warren and you live in Ontario, Canada? Dude! My name is Tyler Warren and I live in Niagara Falls, Ontario. How creepy is that! Tyler Warren 08:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

New iMacs

Hi. There are still no sources to back up the claim of a Crestline chipset being present inside the new iMac. Instead, the disputed info about the new iMacs being Santa Rosa (supported by many sources) is being relied upon by editors who actually disagree with that info to draw the (so far un-sourced) conclusion a Crestline chipset lives inside the new iMac. It would be cool to have some reliable sources for this latter claim if it going to be found on Wikipedia. -GnuTurbo 16:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I have proposed a compromise for the Apple hardware since 1998 template. -GnuTurbo 17:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion

There's an ongoing dispute with an anon and myself regarding the correct terminology (Santa Rosa or Crestline) for the MacBook Pro's and Intel iMac's. If you have a second read over the last few replies on the Intel iMac talk page and let me know if I'm being ridiculous or not. However in summary, the anon feels even mentioning Santa Rosa is wrong, though his Wikilink for Crestline links to the Santa Rosa platform. Other points are made on both sides, just have a look as I value your opinion on other matters in the past. Cheers mate. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you Microsoft-paid?

You write articles like a fanboy obvious Microsoft is paying you amount of money to push positive view of Windows. Wikipedia is open source philosophy and Windows should be attacked and criticized for the good and free sake of computing. Linux on the way die M$ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.83.121 (talk) 11:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia might have been born out of an open source philosophy, but the views it holds promotes a neutral point of view, nothing else. As such, biased information is not tolerated here. And editors as biased as you are have no place here. Go troll elsewhere, or you will be blocked from editing here.

And for your information, neither of us, who keep the Microsoft articles free of idiotic open source zealotry and pointless bashing, are paid by Microsoft. --soum ^talk 12:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Surely your time would be better spent improving your English grammar than criticising people you don't know. Also, Microsoft doesn't pay me, and I use Macs for most of my personal stuff. -/- Warren 03:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello.

I need a bit of help; I'm what some would call a "wiki noob". Ekkusu 18:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

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Windows XP Talk

I've posted a couple of comments on Windows XP talk page.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Windows_XP#Service_Pack_2_external_links... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Windows_XP#User_Interface

Need your views on this... Mugunth 18:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Read this, ya idiot.

http://radiohead.com.hk/

Go to that link, and why don't YOU read, before saying I'm making stuff up, douchebag. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

Windows Server 2003 as Workstation

Eeeh? I don't grok your argumentation. Nobody claims that Windows Server 2003 comes in a workstation variant. The subsection clearly stated that there was no such variant (EDIT: The exact wording is "Windows Server 2003 does not come in Workstation editions, but..." - Dylansmrjones 02:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)), so your argument is moot. Do you have a relevant objection or perhaps even a suggestion on how the information can enter the article? If not I'll revert your edit in 6 hours (that'll be 10:49 local time in Denmark). Dylansmrjones 02:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

How is it misleading? The proposed text clearly states that Windows 2003 Server DOES NOT come in a Workstation variant. So the text does not claim anything like you describe. Could you come with an objection which is related to the actual wording and not something unrelated? I disagree with your assertion that it is unimportant. It is clearly not as http://www.google.com/search?hl=da&q=windows+server+2003+as+workstation&btnG=Google-s%C3%B8gning&lr= clearly shows. 680.000 hits for Windows Server 2003 as Workstation is clearly enough to make it notable. NB: I will not re-add the subsection under "Variants" since it would merely lead to a stupid edit war. I will however work further on a section for such modifications and add an independent section outside "Variants". Adding such a section will not happen without prior notice. I will post it at the talk-page 48 hours before adding it. Is that good enough? :) Dylansmrjones 03:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

In Rainbows

Hi there. Would you mind self-reverting this change. There is an AMG review now. (I'm trying to keep my revert count down because I find it hard to keep track of for fast-changing articles such as this.) Thanks in advance. --PEJL 10:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a review on allmusic's web site at the provided link, so, no. -/- Warren 13:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe your browser is over-aggressively caching the page. The review is up. It starts with: "In Rainbows, as a title, implies a sense of comfort and delightfulness. Symbolically, rainbows are more likely to be..." --PEJL 13:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not an issue with my browser. The review isn't there. If it was there, it's gone now. Continue this on Talk:In Rainbows, please. -/- Warren 14:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

AMG review of in rainbows

I'm posting this here because it's not related to the article. About the AMG review, have you bypassed your browser's cache? That could explain why you're not seeing the review. And I agree that the quality of the review is ... odd. Cheers! -- Flyguy649 ^talk 16:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I just saw the thread above... sorry about that. Remove if you'd like. Anyway, I'm using Firefox, and I see the review fine today, although it wasn't up about 10 hours ago. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 16:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

PowerBook IS vs WAS

Generally I'm with you on using is instead of was. However, I think that particular sentence doesn't make scan for me this way. I don't think the tense needs to change, but something else needs to change as a result of the tense change. Maybe the sentence needs to be broken up. I'm not actually sure, or I'd just do it. Can you have another look, please? --Steven Fisher 16:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I've generally been in favour of lead sentences in the format: [name] is a [description] that was [timeline]. It's kind of inspired by how we do biographies, where we give birth and death dates right in the first sentence (albeit in parentheses). I've gone back and forth in my head a few times on the idea of splitting this format into two sentences, but then the sentences end up being really short, which is something I'm not a fan of. Another possibility would be something like [name] is a discontinued [description]. ... the challenge is that we really want to nail that first sentence as a very succinct and highly readable statement. In one sentence -- what is the PowerBook? What is Mac OS X? Try to do it in twenty-five words or less. This is not that easy! :-)

Compare Windows 95 and Windows 98, for an example of incorporating the timeline into the first sentence, vs. not.

(And go figure, Someone changed the Mac OS X v10.4 article today to do is -> was. sigh.)

Give it some thought, and maybe poke around some other areas of the encyclopedia for inspiration. Let's see if we can find a good approach that we can apply to hardware and software articles alike. -/- Warren 20:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Is vs Was in Mac OS X articles

Hi. I'm just here to tell you that while it is true that it is and always will be, for example, "the fifth release of mac os x," both words (is and was) are true and both are correct. However, the connotation must also be taken into account, and "is" gives the impression of "latest and greatest," while "was" tells the person there is something newer. Also, there is no concern of people thinking that "it was the fifth release but it isn't the fifth release anymore," because this information is self-evident and not stated otherwise. I'm not going to bother reverting all your edits because you might just revert further (even though that would be against the 3-revert rule), but I'm asking you to revert your edits. Just consider the natural flow of reading and writing. Althepal 22:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I have considered this, for quite a long time (going on a year and a half), and... well... you're thinking about this wrong. A thing continues to be a thing even if it's been discontinued, or is no longer sold by its creator. That's all that matters. Mac OS X v10.4 continues to be something that is very much in the present tense for the millions of people who use it. Same with Windows 2000. My iBook G4 continues to exist in this universe as an iBook G4, very much in the present tense, regardless of the fact that it is no longer sold by Apple. If a person, place or thing no longer exists at all, then, and ONLY then is it appropriate to use the past tense when leading off a description of it.

While there may be specific elements of a person, place or thing that can be described in the past tense, but we should absolutely not lead an article with that detail -- even if that detail is the most well-known one. For example, you would not lead off the article on Robert Scoble with something like "Robert Scoble was a technical evangelist at Microsoft."... we correctly state who he is in the present tense first (his occupation), then we get to temporal details second (past jobs and accomplishments). This ordering is evident all over the encyclopedia. CN Tower, for example; Commodore 64 for another.

We're an encyclopedia. It's really important for us to be as precise, accurate, and consistent as possible. -/- Warren 00:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but if it is an article about someone who is no longer alive, yet who's works are continued to be read, you use the past tense. Even if Tiger is still used, it isn't still in production. I see your point, and I can tell you see mine, but I still feel and think that "was" would be more appropriate for a non-current OS, for the primary reason that it makes it clear at the start that it isn't the most recent one shipping with computers (and it isn't incorrect either). If it says "this is the fifth release," I think it is the current one. If it says "this was the fifth release," I understand right away that it's not the latest release, and I bet that's the way many people think. It's more likely to give the correct impression, and it is accurate, and perhaps even more precise than "is" (because it limits the time). That's my view. Perhaps a vote can be held somewhere. Althepal 02:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Leopard Criticisms

I've added this section back and started this section on talk page... Please respond... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mac_OS_X_v10.5#Criticisms Mugunth 11:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Criticism Section on OSX

• The Java story was a leading article on Reddit, YC, and Digg, and was commented on in Daring Fireball.

• The APE crash story is probably the most widely reported problem with Leopard.

How do you want to resolve this dispute?

Can we start by not conflating the two issues? What cause do you have for removing the Java thing? It's a common critique of Leopard.

--- tqbf 00:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

3RR on OSX 10.5

How do we resolve this problem without posting something to the 3RR noticeboard?

I understand that you disagree with the edits I've made to the page. I'm making them in good faith. Instead of fixing the content, you're simply erasing it. You're also conflating the Java critique with the APE critique. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tqbf (talk • contribs) 00:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

You stop making edits that clearly contravene WP:V, and I'll stop reverting them. How's that for a solution? -/- Warren 01:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, since we're not going to resolve this ourselves, I've simply referred this to the 3RR noticeboard; your last rv was your 4th in 24 hours. Sorry for not signing the previous comment! --- tqbf 01:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Warren, you're being attacked here. None of your reverts qualify under 3RR rules. Give it a break Tqbf. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, assumed from the barnstars he could find the 3RR noticeboard himself, but was probably bad form not to cite it. --- tqbf 01:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Mac OS X 10.5

Could you please brief me on the situation there?--soum ^talk 14:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Can I get your take on something?

You seem to be the editor to ask about Apple/Win32 stuff. I rewrote Ioctl (WP has a bad habit of presenting cross-platform API stuff as if it was Unix-specific.) Can I get your take on it? In a perfect world, which I have no business demanding from you, you'd litter the article with redimprove tags so I know what needs to get cited in an article like this.

Thanks; no response necessary if you're too busy.

--- tqbf 23:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

NT

Indeed. As I read your comment, you're saying that because the name is deprecated since it is incorporated into later products which do not have "NT" in their name, it was never a true statement. Tedickey (talk) 16:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that there's no single correct name for it. "New Technology File System", "NT File System", "NTFS File System" and "NTFS"-with-no-acronym have all been presented by people at Microsoft as the correct name over the years. Because of this, Wikipedia should either explain all this (though not in the lead... it's not that important) or skip the issue altogether. -/- Warren 18:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

hmm - with the material existing in the article now, the natural order of presentation would seem to put it near the beginning where it deals with the origin and contrast to FAT (both of which are a little underdeveloped). However, the rest of the second paragraph doesn't seem to flow well for that purpose. Tedickey (talk) 20:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. A new section near the top to cover naming and initial development would be great. There are some good external links on the talk page to get that going. -/- Warren 02:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Requesting comments. :) --soum ^talk 15:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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I think, that Microsoft, maked Vista forgot eliminate on one error: Vista no turn on, because Vista for turn on in 900Mhz, so I front page Windows Vista. Thank you very much and good night. Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 22:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm forgot: I has got Vista in my computer, but I'm unistalled Vista, and now I have again Windows XP Professional. I'm saw with your userpage, than you deploy Windows Vista. IMO Windows Vista, is bad sistem, so I front page Vista operating system is..bad and, he has many errors. I'm waiting for your anwer on my talk page.Cheers Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 17:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I know, I know. I wrote you, because I wont, damn you my opinion and you knew, reason my edition. Thanks.Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 21:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Would love you input

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