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Javanese vs. Chinese junk
Hello Verosaurus. I was wondering about this edit over on List of Indonesian inventions and discoveries. Are you sure that Djong (ship) wouldn't be a better wikilink? It's the specifically Indonesian version of the ship, whereas the Junk (ship) is the more general version not specific to Indonesia. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
- @MezzoMezzo: Actually, the general "junk" ship itself was invented by Malay people (I am referring the ethnic, not the country). This is agreed by historians namely P.Y Manguin, Robert Dick-Read, Anthony Reid, Joachim Schliesinger, R. A. Donkin, Qin Dashu, Yuan Jian, and few others which I cannot remember. The word "junk" itself came from Malay (specifically Javanese) word Jong/Djong, recorded from Javanese 9th century inscription. Malay people already sailed to Chinese ports since 1st century. Before 9th century, the Chinese have not yet mastered building ocean going ships, in the Song dinasty (started 960 A.D.) they are starting to employ Malay shipbuilder to design their own ships. Even to the 19th century, Chinese word for ship is not something sounded similarly to "junk", instead they call their ship "chuan". Southern dialect, however, directly influenced by Malay sailor so there are some words similar to "junk". But still, they call their own ship as "chuan". One of the aforementioned historian even said that the term junk itself only refer to Chinese ships after 17th century, when production of real "junk" (the Malay one) stopped.
- I created the "Djong" page to make it's own dedicated page, because the information is too much to be included in page "Junk (ship)". As for the definition of Junk in the wikipedia : "Junk is a type of ancient Chinese sailing ship..." it is misleading. The creator of the page is pro-Chinese (no racist or politics intended here). For a bit reading you may open http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/2008869/where-did-word-junk-come.
- Or if you want to search thoroughly, There are some books you can read online:
- Anthony Reid and The Study of Southeast Asian Past
- Robert Dick-Read The Phantom Voyager
- Between East and West: The Moluccas and the Traffic in Spices
- Ancient Silk Trade Routes: Selected Works From Symposium On Cross Cultural Exchanges and Their Legacies in Asia
July 2018
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Ways to improve Mayang (boat)
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August 2019
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. User:Ymblanter (talk) 07:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)- Specifically, you added copyrighted material to Palari (boat), and you already had previous warnings.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
September 2019
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Sheba. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. The clue for me was "apparently true" which appears to be your own interpretation.[1] Doug Weller talk 10:05, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Giovanni de' Marignolli and Sheba
I've removed all of this - some was original research, the main thrust of the paragraph though wasn't speculation on location, it was just an error by Giovanni de' Marignolli according to his article. Doug Weller talk 10:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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Apilan and kota mara
Hi I’m just reviewing Apilan and kota mara. I’m wondering why you decided to create an article about two separate terms, and whether splitting this into two articles might make sense. What do you think? Mccapra (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC) Hi Mccapra. The reason I made it as one article because they are both structure to mount cannon in Malay ship. However, splitting it to 2 separate articles would still makes sense. I also made separate redirect page for each of it.
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Al-Wakwak
Hello, Verosaurus. Just wanted to say great work on the Al-Wakwak article. Thanks for your contributions. — LissanX (talk) 21:07, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Comment on Javanese contact with Australia article
Hello Verosaurus. I have made some comments on the talk page of this new article and also alerted other WP editors on the Fringe Theory noticeboard. Nickm57 (talk) 05:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
November 2020
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27 April 2021
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Hi, I just realized that I, in fact, can still reply here. I was unresponsive for a long time because I can’t log in to English Wikipedia. This means I can’t open the talk page and reply to the conversation there. Since it happened all the time, I assume that I’m no longer able to do anything in English Wikipedia, and as such, I made no further attempt to reply to the conversation on my talk page. After Yamla sent the last message, I got a notification on the Wikimedia Commons website, which after I clicked it, lead me here. The system has autologged me in, and I discovered that I can still reply to my talk page. Below is my answer to Diannaa's questions.
* What is copyright?
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First, by reading and understanding the respective article about Wikipedia policy. If I want to use a content, I need to check the copyright license of the content that would be used. If no license can be found, it must always be assumed that the content is under the copyright of someone or something. If the content is from a book, the publisher held the copyright, which may be shared by the author, or by a combination agreed by the author and the publisher. For a journal article, I should check the webpage of the journal for information about the license (the article itself would be subject to copyright). Webpage and news page is, of course copyrighted, the holder being either the author (of an article) or the governing body/owner of the page. Copy-pasting a text is not permitted in Wikipedia. To avoid copyright violation on the text, I must reformulate the text using my own words, by doing so I’m not doing plagiarism. For images, the copyright is held by its creator. If I want to use/upload the image, I need to contact the owner of the copyright and asked permission to use/upload it, under a license that is suitable for use in Wikipedia. Some content may be already under public domain, they would only fall under public domain if stated as so or after a number of years after the death of the author/creator, governed by the laws of the United States of America, or the country in which the content originates. Verosaurus (talk) 00:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Accept reason:
You now seem to have an understanding of copyright and how it applies to Wikipedia editing. — Diannaa (talk) 14:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Part of your answer to the first question is a copyright violation, as you have copied it from here or elsewhere online. — Diannaa (talk) 13:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
New answer for the first question@Diannaa:. — Verosaurus (talk) 21:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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I have moved your new answer to the bottom. You are not supposted to alter messages someone has already replied to. Your new answer to the first question is not very good, more like word salad than a proper answer.— Diannaa (talk) 23:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Revised answer @Diannaa:
* What is copyright?
Copyright is a right owned by an creator or someone/something who has been granted that right to reproduce and distribute their work(s). It usually has a limited duration that is regulated by law and varies by state or country.Verosaurus (talk) 03:10, 17 February 2022 (UTC)- I have unblocked your account, as you now seem to understand copyright and how it applies to Wikipedia. Please be aware that I will be checking your edits. Any further violations will result in another block, which would likely be permanent. — Diannaa (talk) 14:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you.Verosaurus (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
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DGG ( talk ) 23:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Discussion at Talk:Sarah Azhari
I invite you to please join the discussion at Talk:Sarah Azhari.
Hello, we are seeking help with the Sarah Azhari article, created in 2013 & recently the subject of a deletion proposal. At issue was whether or not the Indonesian language sources establish notability. I am inviting you to the discussion at Talk:Sarah Azhari#Help with Indonesian language sources because you are in the Category:User id-N & have a minimum of 1,000 edits across all Wikimedia projects.
I realize that some of you are very busy while others may no longer be editing. Nevertheless, I thought it wise to consult with you.
Thank your for the work that you do on Wiki[mp]edia! Peaceray (talk) 21:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
February 2022
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- Okay, thanks for the information Verosaurus (talk) 08:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Okay, I will keep this in mind Verosaurus (talk) 12:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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May 2022
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Girth Summit (blether) 16:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)- Apologies - on closer inspection, it looks like my block and deletion were premature. On first pass, I saw the article as a direct copyvio of this 2013 blog, but I now see that you copied the material from an existing Wikipedia article, and the content that concerned me was present in that article prior to date of the blog - in other words, it was copied from us, not the other way around. Apologies for the inconvenience, I have unblocked your account and will restore the article. Best Girth Summit (blether) 16:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Hi Philbrick, I have learned about Wikipedia's copyright policy, and subsequently I became very careful in wording my edits. I have made sure the sentences I added would not result in copyright infringement by rewording it. The exception is the quotation (under the section "Ptolemy IV's thalamegos"), which is meant to be as similar as possible to what the source says, except for my own grammatical improvements.
- I did not use the pdf file you pointed out in the edit summary, in fact, my sources can be seen on the reference list.
- During the edits, however, I noticed that there are sentence(s) that were similar to the source but were not added by me (specifically these: (Ancient Greek: θαλαμηγός = "room carrier" from the Greek Thalamos (room) + Ago (haul/carry/lead) and The huge twin-hulled catamaran was commissioned by Hellenistic king Ptolemy IV Philopator for himself and his wife Arsinoe III ca. 200 BCE.). But after my investigation, I found that sentence already exist in Wikipedia before getting copied in the source (the one in Wikipedia being older than the source). In my edits, I have reworded those sentences so it would not be very similar to the source. I think your assumption about me infringing copyright and reverting is unjustified, I await your reply. @Sphilbrick: Verosaurus (talk) 02:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- The tool used to identify potential copyright violations is very good but not perfect. One thing it doesn't do is treat material in quotes (or bloackquotes) as exceptions. There is good reason for this as excessive quotations are problematic but it does mean review does have to take care to distinguish between quoted and nonquoted material. I took a second look at my review and think I missed the fact that a large portion of the overlapping material was quoted. The quoted material included 217 words. As far as I know, neither copyright law nor Wikipedia practices specifically prescribed acceptable lengths for quoted material. That passage is longer than I would have felt comfortable using as an editor but there are very good arguments for using explicit quotes rather than rewriting in many circumstances and this may well qualify. It is possible that other editors would counsel shortening of the quotation but it is clear to me that you are appreciative of copyright rules and were using a long quote in good faith. I reverted my removal. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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