User talk:VartanM/Archive3

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Vartan, may I borrow your uhmm Things and use it on my talk pages? Deniz^T_C 04:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but I would suggest coping the original from Hiberniantears [1]. Mine is a little trimmed down, and still work in progress. I might add links that might be useless to you. VartanM 04:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing restrictions

I've removed your name from the list of users placed under editing supervision per kiril's clarification. I think a lot of administrators interpreted the remedy as being for incivility or edit warring, so I'm going to have to take a look at the whole list and see if there are any others that shouldn't be on there. Sorry for any inconvenience, Ryan Postlethwaite 11:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Thanksgiving!

I just wanted to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Watermark

Thanks. (: Should be fine legally, since PD images are free to be cropped, resized, retouched, etc. Basically like the photographic equivalent of a park. Oc t ane ^{[improve me]} 22.11.07 2349 (UTC)

Cool!

Hey, Thanks Vartan, I'm am truly honored. ♫ Cricket02 01:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't mention it, I wanted to give you one for a long time. You deserve it. VartanM 00:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nagorno Karabakh: Monuments of History, Architecture and Art

Hi Vartan. I was contacted by user Bassenius who has recently been blocked through malicious sock Gransmister or something. Please help him to unblock. His latest participation was in the new article started by Verjakette was Nagorno Karabakh: Monuments of History, Architecture and Art. He is mistakenly identified as Verjakette's sockpuppet. Thanks in advance. Vishap 04:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your custom "checkuser"

Greetings VartanM, I too am a bit suspicious of the blocks of Bassenius and Verjakette. Depending on the results of your "checkuser", I would be happy to add my support for the removal of their blocks (along with diffs that I can provide) if you choose to take their case to the blocking admin. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 02:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi PocoX4, thanks for your support. Checkuser confirmed that Bassenius and Verjakette were the same user or at least used the same IP. But its not definite that they were Artaxiad. And the fact that an Artaxiad sleeper sock account was confirmed and blocked is a good evidence that they are not the same user. In any case as soon as I make sure that they are not socks I will let you know and I'm sure we could get an unblock. Previously, users were given second chances for using more then one account. VartanM (talk) 22:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have posted my evidence in your sandbox.Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 02:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These things are always messy, and it is sad to see someone who had useful contributions tossed aside because they were using socks. Due to CU, Bassenius, Verjakette, Hnarakert, and Vishap are all likely to be the same person, which means actions like writing Nagorno Karabakh: Monuments of History, Architecture and Art from two accounts makes them very likely to play other games that undermine building an encyclopedia in a collaborative fashion.

As these are new users, and perhaps the biggest problem is they underestimated the seriousness of enwiki, I would like to offer these users a way to rejoin the ranks here sooner.

If any of these banned users want to create an account on the English Wikisource, and constructively contribute there, I will unblock them here on enwiki and place them on 1RR parole for a few months. I would need to request a CU on Wikisource to ensure that they have only operated a single account on English Wikisource, but I would hope that it would only be a formality. I would be keeping an eye on the user, and you could assist with any language barriers, and if I feel they have shown they can interact peacefully with others on wikisource, I think it is fair that we consider them a reformed user and allow them back into Wikipedia. Everyone deserves a second chance.

To give you some sort of idea of the thresholds, I am thinking that somewhere between 200 - 500 new pages would be sufficient to demonstrate that they are committed to our objectives. There are many websites that have already faithful digitised PD documents, so it is often only a matter of copying and pasting. The pages do not need to be "uncontroversial" - they only need to have appeared in English in hard copy that are no longer copyright, and the pages are accurately transcribed. As a result, these can be documents about Armenia that are of relevance to the development of topics here on Wikipedia. This gives the banned users an opportunity to have a user/talk page on Wikisource as a way to interact with the Wikipedia folk, and usefully contribute by helping bring harder to access sources online.

Do you think an opportunity such as this would be of interest to any of the current banned users? John Vandenberg (talk) 04:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear John, I can not speak for them. You are welcome to invite them to Wikisource. I would like to see more users contributing in all of the sister projects. VartanM (talk) 05:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Verjakette accounts all have their email disabled. I have left a note on User talk:Verjakette. If you know of anyone else that might be willing to take up this offer, I can be contacted by email. John Vandenberg (talk) 07:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Images on Marines.mil

Hi Vartan. Many thanks for the link. It seems to be very useful. Cheers,--Kober^Talk 18:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shamakhi

Hi Vartan. Could you please provide the full context of the quote about the city? From what you provided it is not clear that the quote relates to the city of Shemakhi. You may even wish to upload the text to wikisource to make it accessible to everyone, as it appears to be PD. Thanks. Grandmaster (talk) 10:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on the talkpage of the article. VartanM (talk) 18:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Marx

On the page Karl Marx there is an error, at the beginning the article says he died on the 15th and in the death and legacy part it says he died on the 14th.

just wanted to point that out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.117.32 (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And you're telling me because? I don't think I ever edited that article. VartanM (talk) 00:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Book"

Hi. (No pun intended ...) Inch beses? Can you help me out? An anonymous editor made a change to Arabic language, claiming that the Arabic word "kitab" (book) is used in Armenian. Is this true? Thanks. Cbdorsett (talk) 12:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. Cbdorsett (talk) 12:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Artsah

Thanks VartanM, I will read it and get familiar, also will ignore Atabek and alike in the future. Steelmate (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

Thanks for the heads up. --Golbez (talk) 20:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lacin

VartanM, could you please put Armenian script in Lacin, I was asked by Pocopocopocopoco to do it but I am not proficient in Armenian language enough. Thanks. Steelmate (talk) 03:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic attacks

VartanM, attacking Aseris as nation being bazaar IMHO is not the most productive method for stating Armenian point of view, as they lead nowhere... please refer to a specific person (Atabek?), and even then refer to what the person did instead of what kind of person he is. I know I made same mistakes by referring to Atabek as illogical person, I should have said Atabek's behavior is that of an illogical person. Whoooph... but hey that way we can have more productive collaboration overall! Steelmate (talk) 19:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll keep it in mind, I should have followed the advise that I gave you. VartanM (talk) 19:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joyeux Noël

I just want to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Merry Christmas! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Turkics in Armenia -- Cat ^chi? 23:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions (information on which is at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions) on any editor who is active on pages broadly related to Armenia, Azerbaijan, or related conflicts. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, satisfy any standard of behavior, or follow any normal editorial process. If you inappropriately edit pages relating to this topic, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The Committee's full decision can be read at the "Final decision" section of the decision page.

Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, with the appropriate sections of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures, and with the case decision page before making any further edits to the pages in question. This notice is given by an uninvolved administrator and will be logged on the case decision, pursuant to the conditions of the Arbitration Committee's discretionary sanctions system.

- Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 22:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TfD

No, thats ok with me. Its a left-over from my period of experimenting with userboxes. --Soman (talk) 08:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Licensing of your uploads to commons

I see you are using {{PD-USGov}} on images that were taken outside of the US. I am going to retag them under {{PD-Old}} because we aren't certain if a US employee had taken them. You state the author is unknown. -- Cat ^chi? 22:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Most of them are the works of the US Near East Relief. All the images come from Library of Congress, so they are in public domain in the US. As long as you don't delete them, I have no problem what license is applied. VartanM (talk) 23:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

Hey Vartan, thanks very much for my first barnstar. Nagorno-Karabakh is a subject I'm very much interested in and I plan to work on some of these when I get around to it.

Question: Do you know anything (ie an official website) about an Armenian thinktank called Mitk Analytical Center? I've notice some of there writings when I read regnum.ru. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 18:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just some friendly advice

Hi, Vartan. I see you've been promoting Wikiproject:Karabakh via new templates. To be honest, I don't think this is a very good idea. I've looked at the history of that project and I don't think anyone ever got permission to create it in the first place, so it's likely to be dismantled soon anyway. The Armenia-Azerbaijan dispute has reached boiling-point on the Arbitration Enforcement page and this isn't helping matters. I can see a lot of admins are starting to have frayed nerves (and tomorrow morning they'll probably have bad hangovers!). I certainly don't want to see anyone banned over this issue. As I said to Armenian and Azeri editors on the Arbitration Enforcement page: "Come on, guys, please! This isn't helping anyone. Step back a bit before you all get yourselves banned at Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. Deciding to promote Wikiproject:Karabakh at this point in time is a seriously bad idea. Can't you see how much Armenian and Azeri users are trying admins' patience here with the eternal edit-warring over Nagorno-Karabakh? How about a moratorium on NK articles for at least a month. Surely there's plenty to work on elsewhere. Remember, Wikipedia is not a battleground". I'd really like to see Armenian and Azeri editors step away from NK for a while and do productive editing elsewhere. Otherwise we might have the sorry spectacle of 2008 starting with mass bans. I hope you can see my point. Happy New Year! --Folantin (talk) 19:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Folantin, but you also have to see that the project exists and as a member of that project I created that tag and tagged some NK articles. I refrained from placing it on Azerbaijan related articles, to not offend the Azeri users. And what did I get in return? A mass revert and a report to arbcom? How am I supposed to AGF on part of administrators who are letting a banned user to contribute and instigate editwars. We have one admin that admitted that his communicating with Grandmaster off wiki, and so far he shows up to give Grandmaster a hand. He blocked Fedayee for 24 hours for not AGF. AGF clearly says not to make claims you can't back it up. Fedayee has a full page of evidance that Ehud is Adil. And what about Penwhale for restricting me for saying that article titled Azeris in Armenia can't have whole section covering various Turkic tribes that weren't Azeri. As for Arbcom I copletly lost my faith in it. They are good in producing dozen of principals, but nobody cares to enforce them. Every time I reported an arbcom violation I have been ignored for days and then come and tell us to get moving. Parishan is free to make WP:Point violations, Atabek is free to call users edits hogwash and compare NK people with Nazis... What good is a block when admins are clearly encouraging blocked users to evade their blocks with sockpupets [2]. VartanM (talk) 20:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!

Dear VartanM! Thank you for good words! You're surely more and more worthy of a Great Barnstar for your tireless contributions to Wikipedia, civility during the discussions and tolerance to newbies! With respect and kind wishes, Andranikpasha (talk) 19:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

		Special Barnstar
		For all of your hard work and contributions! With respect, Andranikpasha (talk) 19:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andranik, Happy NEW Year. Նոր Տարիտ Շնորհավոր լինի: Մի մտածի սրանք շատ փոքր մարդիկ են Հայերի դեմ: VartanM (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Բա ոնց, եղբայր ջան! Շնորհավոր Ամանոր! Andranikpasha (talk) 02:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mitq website

Thanks very much! Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been speedily deleted as a re-creation of a previously deleted stub type. Please note that stub types should be proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, but also please note that by longstanding precedent stub types of this nature are only normally created for internationally recognised independent regions or nationally recognised administrative regions (and the latter only when the number of stubs at the national level is large enough to warrant such a split), as disputed/aspirant regional templates often result in edit warring - something which is far more of a problem with templates and categories than it is with individual articles. Grutness...wha? 23:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: ArbCom Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. -- Cat ^chi? 18:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Note

This contained several assumptions of bad faith. Please note that per the terms of the civility supervision you have been placed under, such assumptions are not permitted and may be rewarded with brief blocks. This is a final warning. Moreschi ^{If you've written a quality article...} 21:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I sourced all of my claims. How can I be assuming when I provided evidence, that such thing did happen. Grandmaster didn't even bother to deny it. VartanM (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a line from WP:AGF This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary. Someone felt so strong about this, that they made it appear in bright red. VartanM (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vartan, send me a message, I want to learn more about Wikipedia Yerkatagear (talk) 16:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

italics in Armenian writing

Hi VartanM, Happy New 2008 Year! Can you please confirm that italics can be used in Armenian writing and we can use italicised Armenian text in English wikipedia? Thanks, Steelmate (talk) 23:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the leaning font is italics? Please check this resource : http://books.google.com/books?id=yvTlMwIez-UC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=armenian+script+italics&source=web&ots=Jn8t0ayfAN&sig=8b4JjsK0yPU8-1lh8SvkTgSxdNc and this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Armenian_alphabet.png Steelmate (talk) 05:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Golbez said:

"italicizing Chinese or Thai would just render these harder to read..." - which I agree.
"and so far as I know, is not a form typically used in those languages" - which I agree, it is not a form Chinese or Thai.
"The same applies for Armenian" - I disagree. It doesn't apply to Armenian, as Armenian has italics and even used it in original form and uses now widely in books and here in Wikipedia articles in armenian and many other Wikipedias, Even Chinese Wikipedia italicised Armenian words.
"....which has no Latin or Cyrillic text in it. Azeri and Turkish do have a Latin root and are able to be italicized." - yes I agree but it is not an argument to conclude that Armenian language cannot be italicised. And also Armenian is branch of Indo-European languages similar to Cyrillic or Latin, very different from Chinese language.

Also you said:

"but it[italic Armenian] was never used as it is being used in English" - so I conclude you agree Armenian has italics but not widely used. Actually according to the google book I sent you Armenian is in italics in original form, and all the pages you sent me have Armenian in italics also Wikipedia pages in Armenian and other languages have italics. So granted it may not be used as much or as little as in English, it is still used and that reaffirms that Armenian has italics.

Thanks, that is what I needed you to confirm!

P.S. by the way Golbez never said or meant "because they're latin script and we need to differentiate that from English", he said because they're latin script we can italisise it, vs. Armenian which is not latin therefore we cannot, which is something I disagree with him.

Steelmate (talk) 06:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a phrase in a google book stating "The italic form is the original style of Armenian script" on page 24. Didn't you find it? What exactly did you find stating opposite there? Steelmate (talk) 08:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks, I did provide him this link as well. Will wait for his response. Steelmate (talk) 08:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ehud Lesar

Thanks for letting me know. After seeing Grandmaster's post, I contacted Ehud Lesar. He said he didn't know, and he asked me to suggest ways to confirm the identity. Later in his reply, he suggested that we could have a webcam chat, and he would edit a page on Wikipedia at the same time to confirm his identity. Nishkid64 (talk) 06:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Kaloian

Does Alexander Kaloian need Armenian script? Badagnani (talk) 04:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume he was born in the Armenian SSR, and lives in the nation of Armenia? Badagnani (talk) 00:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any photos. Badagnani (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration

Hi. Please be aware of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Ehud Lesar arbitration case. Thanks. Grandmaster (talk) 07:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar/Award

File:Sakharov 1943.jpg		Andrei Sakharov Award of National Merit
		For your tireless efforts and contributions to Wikipedia. -- Aivazovsky (talk) 21:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I saw that you got caught up in a mess with the Azeri users. I feel for you, man. -- Aivazovsky (talk) 21:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio on Tatev

Could you take a look at Talk:Tatev. John Vandenberg (talk) 03:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian Collage

Hi Vartan, can you please cast your vote for the design and content on Armenians collage here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians Thanks. Steelmate (talk) 01:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenians[reply]