User talk:Undercaker

This is Undercaker's talk page, where you can send them messages and comments.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Your submission at Articles for creation: Daniel Millar (May 3)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Paul W was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Brief, passing mentions in routine theatre reviews do not amount to significant (ie: detailed, in-depth) coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Daniel Millar and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Paul W (talk) 21:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Undercaker! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Paul W (talk) 21:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul W Hi Paul. Thanks so much for the feedback here. I really appreciate it. I'm a total novice when it comes to creating a new page so any and all advice is very welcome. I will review this and resubmit as and when. Just to clarify, it is 'evidence for notability' that you are looking for with this kind of submission, is that right? Many thanks again. Undercaker (talk) 21:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The key is verifiability (WP:V) - statements about the subject, particularly in a biography of a living person, need "an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material". Many thanks. Paul W (talk) 16:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for June 17

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Oswald of East Anglia, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Dane. Such links are usually incorrect, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. (Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.)

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, --DPL bot (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Something in the Water (June 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Iwaqarhashmi was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Something in the Water and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Waqar💬 17:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Something in the Water (2024 film) (June 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of films). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This film draft does not have Reception information to establish film notability . Please resubmit with reviews or other Reception information. (If the reviews have not yet been published since the release of the film, please wait for the reviews to be published, since the film appears to have been released.)

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Something in the Water (2024 film) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Robert McClenon (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Something in the Water (2024 film) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Something in the Water (2024 film). Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 20:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon Thanks Robert. I appreciate you leaving a more detailed message. This is the first page about a film that I've created. If you can, are you able to recommend *specific* sources and references for film that aren't IMDB or reviews? I'm aware this film exists - I saw it today - so I'm a little lost as which websites and publications consitiute 'reliable' in Wikipedia's view. Thanks again for taking the time, Robert. Undercaker (talk) 21:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Undercaker - Reviews are the reliable sources that are significant coverage of any film. You have put in footnotes for two reviews, but you didn't summarize them, so what you should do is to add a Reception section summarizing what the reviews said. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon Thanks Robert. I have done that and resubmitted, so fingers crossed. Thanks for your help. Undercaker (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Something in the Water (2024 film) (June 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SafariScribe was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

IMDb is not a reliable sources. See WP:IMDB.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Something in the Water (2024 film) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SafariScribe Thanks for the feedback. Have resubmitted without IMDB references Undercaker (talk) 11:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Something in the Water (2024 film) has been accepted

Something in the Water (2024 film), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Ae245 (talk) 11:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ae245 Thank you very much. Much appreciated. Undercaker (talk) 11:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for September 10

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Antony and Cleopatra, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page John Hollingworth.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 2 December 2024. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2024 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Fabian (Twelfth Night character) (November 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by KylieTastic were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Fabian (Twelfth Night character) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

KylieTastic (talk) 10:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KylieTastic Hi KyleTastic. Thank you for your message. I still fairly new to page creation and I'm very keen to learn more. Are you able to tell me specifically what is wrong with the references I've used? I only ask because they are actually largely the same references that are used in exisiting Wikipedia pages about other Twelfth Night characters (mainly Toby Belch and Andrew Aguecheek), so if those references work for those characters, why can't they work for this one? I'd love to know more. Thanks so much in advance for your help. Undercaker. Undercaker (talk) 10:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, unfortunately there are a lot of the existing articles that do not meet the current WP:policies and guidelines. Sir Toby Belch is tagged as original research and it not well sourced, Sir Andrew Aguecheek is better. You rely largely on referencing the book which does not help show a subject is notable also note Wikipedia:No original research and don't draw your own conclusions. The rsc.org.uk source is just used for the single quote leaving Elam which I will admit not realising is was a book as "See the discussion in..." was rather informal, but I have fixed up that source. Sir Andrew Aguecheek references a couple more books, if you can find an additional couple of sources that would help - I'm sure lots exists. It not my area so I can't say if topic would be deemed notable per se as a well known Shakespeare character, maybe, but for other books, films etc poorly sourced character articles tend to just get redirected to the main article so see what you can find for additional sources/content and re-submit. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 11:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KylieTastic That's really useful. Thank you so much. I'll have a tinker around with it and resubmit later today. Thanks for a really detailed explanation, I really appreciate it. Undercaker (talk) 11:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Fabian (Twelfth Night character) (November 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Asilvering was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please see WP:OR. Wikipedia articles need to be based on WP:SECONDARY sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Fabian (Twelfth Night character) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

asilvering (talk) 03:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering Hi Asilvering. Thank you for your message. I'd love to ask some advice from you if possible. I've added as many references as possible to this, including relevant secondary sources that already exist on the Twelfth Night main page, and on the pages of other characters in the play. Why aren't these references acceptable for this character? Can you tell me specifically what it is I'd need to do to have this page accepted please? I'm a relative novice to this so please be as directive and simple as you'd like. Thank you so much in advance. Undercaker (talk) 09:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Undercaker, the issue isn't that there are too few references, per se, but that anything evaluative needs to come from reliable, secondary sources. Once you have this sorted out, it should be a pretty easy pass through AfC, since Shakespeare's characters have been analyzed to hell and back. For example, in this sentence: This is often as a result of the difficulty of introducing a new character relatively late into the play, especially after Maria specifically names Feste, not Fabian, to be the third onlooker during the gulling of Malvolio. You've used a citation from Twelfth Night here. But all that citation can confirm is that Maria specifically names Feste, not Fabian, to be the third onlooker during the gulling of Malvolio. What we actually want here is a citation that confirms This is often as a result of the difficulty of introducing a new character relatively late into the play. Do you see what I mean here? -- asilvering (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way - I see elsewhere on your talk page that you have been comparing your work to the existing articles we have on various characters. These articles are often terrible. I got into editing Wikipedia in the first place because our articles on literature topics, even hugely famous ones, are often so, so bad. So if this is your jam, boy do we have a lot of work for you! You'll never be bored again. If you're interested in Wikiprojects, you might care to join WP:BOOKS. -- asilvering (talk) 19:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Fabian (Twelfth Night character) (November 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jannatulbaqi was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Fabian (Twelfth Night character) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Baqi:) (talk) 15:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jannatulbaqi Hi Jannatulbaqi. Thank you for your message. I still fairly new to page creation and I'm very keen to learn more. Are you able to tell me specifically what is wrong with the references I've used? I only ask because they are actually largely the same references that are used in exisiting Wikipedia page about Twelfth Night, and about other Twelfth Night characters (such as Toby Belch and Andrew Aguecheek), so if those references work for those pages and characters, why can't they work for this one? I'd love to know more. Thanks so much in advance for your help. Undercaker. Undercaker (talk) 16:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Undercaker, Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions! However, I noticed that two senior editors have already reviewed and rejected your article. After reviewing their feedback, I find myself in agreement with their assessment. You should take a look at asilvering's comment for further insights. For additional guidance, please refer to [this]. Baqi:) (talk) 16:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jannatulbaqi Ok. Thanks for the feedback. Undercaker (talk) 16:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]