User talk:Tracy ann essoglou

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Hello, Tracy ann essoglou. You have new messages at Timtrent's talk page.
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Please bear in mind that I am not active much on Wikipedia at the moment, as it says on my talk page Fiddle Faddle 22:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You keep saying that Timtrent gave you a one-line answer but the above post has a clear link in "You have new messages at Timtrent's talk page". On the Internet, differently colored text usually means a clickable link. Answering in the same place a question was asked is a common way to communicate here. The detailed reply is below your original post. The section has since been archived so the original link doesn't work but my quoted version shows where the link went at the time. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Women's Action Coalition

This article exists anyway. As I replied to you before, please improve it in any way you see fit and within our rules. If you need help I suggest WP:Teahouse/Questions. Fiddle Faddle 07:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have better time than Timtrent. You can contact me with questions at User talk:PrimeHunter, or you can make sourced suggestions with {{Request edit}} at Talk:Women's Action Coalition. Note that if you have personal unpublished knowledge then it cannot be used in Wikipedia. It's not my field but I know Wikipedia policies. You can also try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Feminism where you may (no guarantees) get the attention of users with more knowledge about the field. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:18, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I assume it was you who posted to me. Please log in when you edit about a topic your account has edited so your edits can be seen together at Special:Contributions/Tracy ann essoglou. Special:Contributions/Taylorckuhn shows that account is also inexperienced so I don't know whether she can do more than you. The page history [1] of Women's Action Coalition shows the accepted version was created by EMredink and improved by others but has never been edited by Taylorckuhn. Deleted pages can only be viewed or restored by administrators but I am one and have restored Draft:Women's Action Coalition. Note the page history [2] shows two versions by two different users. The first by Zebian.t is here. The current version of the draft is by Taylorckuhn. Offline sources are allowed but is your article available online so others can easily see what it says and compare to what you want the Wikipedia article to say? It's problematic if you cite your own work without others being able to check that what you want to say is in the published article and not taken from your unpublished knowledge. As mentioned, only already published content can be added to Wikipedia. There are also neutrality requirements new users often break so it's really best if you post suggestions to Talk:Women's Action Coalition instead of trying to edit the article directly. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Prime Hunter, Thought I was logged in but I will be sure to double check in the future since I have not checked the 'keep me logged in' option. Hell of a learning curve! and thank you for your willingness, time & patience. Compliments to all of you for this formidable engagement.

For reference and ease, I am pasting my first communication to TimTrent here below. As you will see I added links throughout for TT's convenience and to demonstrate that Kuhn's submission on WAC was based on numerous citations and formally published references as was stated in the grounds for its rejection. I think she was under the impression that a submission did not have to be complete and intended to add to the piece over time. We were in agreement that I would supply her with my collected digital reference links over time as she added to the piece.

My motivation is simply that I am eager to see WAC added:

i) since I have students who would immediately benefit from a replete entry, 
ii) WAC was remarkable organizing direct action activist group that preceded Occupy but was similarly impactful
iii) to make publicly available and easily locateable the numerous references and resources relating to WAC, its archive at NYPL, and  ensure the historical legacy and accuracy of activism.

I don't know how to make live links here so my sincere apologies in advance. Thanks. Tracy

___________TAE to TIMTRENT MARCH 2016

From: tracy ann essoglou <taessoglou@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 5:50 PM Subject: Fwd: Nice to meet you! To: Tracy Ann Essoglou <taessoglou@gmail.com>

WIKI - WAC Inquiry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#article_on_the_Women.27s_Action_Coalition_submittled_last_year_and_rejected

Hi Tim, My name is Dr. Tracy Ann Essoglou: http://sftpwr.com/artist-and-activist-tracy-ann-essoglou-phd/ https://www.linkedin.com/profile/preview?vpa=pub&locale=en_US http://independent.academia.edu/TracyAnnEssoglou https://medium.com/foossa-files/thinking-architecture-b551cc4e819d#.giurh1ax0 TAEartworks.squarespace.com MissingModules.wordpress.com SinsoftheNewMillennium.wordpress.com http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simplygrace/2015/02/10/awakening-grace-wisdom-series-exploring-personal-cultural-myth-in-business (first of five)

I was one of the founding members of the Women's Action Coalition: http://archives.nypl.org/mss/3376 which was featured in the New York Times in June of 1992: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/12/nyregion/no-more-nice-girls-in-angry-droves-radical-feminists-just-want-to-have-impact.html?pagewanted=all and more recently: https://www.facebook.com/artbasedsocialworkpractice/photos/pb.700345296720768.-2207520000.1463536179./918833408205288/?type=3&theater

I also authored the first historical account and published chapter on WAC (available under my name on Researchgate, Academia.edu and my website called “Louder Than Words: a W.A.C. Chronicle https://www.researchgate.net/publication/302381308_Louder_Than_Words_A_WAC_Chronicle in the then groundbreaking book: But Is It Art?: The Spirit of Art as Activism http://www.amazon.com/But-Is-Art-Spirit-Activism/dp/0941920291 edited by Nina Felshin: http://curatorsintl.org/collaborators/nina-felshin and published by Bay Press, Seattle in 1995. http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/the-mysterious-disappearance-of-bay-press/Content?oid=9829

I have approximately 35 (probably more as companies go back and digitize their print archives) digital references to the existence of the Women's Action Coalition in addition to the 35 plus boxes in the New York Public Library's Activism Archive, videotapes, slides, soundtracks and other documentation.

So I am wondering why Taylor Kuhn's submission on WAC was rejected by you for lack of "adequate reliable resources??? See communication below from link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Women's_Action_Coalition

___________ TIM TRENT SUBMISSION DECLINED April 2015

aft:Women's Action Coalition From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Submission declined on 23 April 2015 by Timtrent (talk).

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources. You are encouraged to make improvements by clicking on the "Edit" tab at the top of this page. If you require extra help, please ask a question on the Articles for creation help desk, ask the reviewer that declined your submission, or get help at our live help chat from experienced editors. Find sources: "Women's Action Coalition" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · HighBeam · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · Wikipedia library. Declined by Timtrent 9 months ago.Last edited by HasteurBot 0 seconds ago. Reviewer: Inform author. Resubmit Please note that if the issues are not fixed, the draft will be rejected again.

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Symbol opinion vote.svg Comment: This has since been created at Women's Action Coalition. Please consider expanding that version of the article Rankersbo (talk) 06:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Symbol opinion vote.svg Comment: We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42 Fiddle Faddle 12:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC) _____________end TTRENT

APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT AS TO WHAT CAN I DO TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION? Thank you very much. Tracy

Tracy Ann Essoglou, PhD. taessoglou@gmail.com _____________end TAEssoglu

As we keep telling you, there is currently an article at Women's Action Coalition. It has been there since 10 March 2015‎. There is no longer any reason to discuss the rejection of the old draft at Draft:Women's Action Coalition. It's hidden from search engines. Everybody searching information about Women's Action Coalition will find Women's Action Coalition which is a real live Wikipedia article and not a draft. It's the first search result for me in Google and Bing, and the second in Yahoo. In a Wikipedia search it's either the first result or the searcher is taken directly to the article. You can consider whether content in the draft should be incorporated into the real article at Women's Action Coalition but apart from that, please forget about the draft. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]