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Congratulations
First time I've sat down to my computer in eleven days and I am thrilled to see the latest in good articles you have had a strong hand in getting to that level. You are so much more appreciated than you could ever know, Susun. Every award that can be sent your direction is warranted but none can adequately express or accurately describe the depth of your impact on the encyclopedia and the community surrounding it. --ARoseWolf 15:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- ARoseWolf, good to see you. It always makes me smile, just to see your name. I honestly never look for awards or expect them. The reward for me in working on the encyclopedia is to learn (it's a very selfish endeavor) and to possibly impart some of the information I have learned to others (maybe a tiny bit self-less, but self-serving still because it makes me happy when others tell me they learned). My fervent hope is that the encyclopedic record some day shows girls that women have indeed always been involved and impacted world events. Your encouragement, along with other editors, keeps me going. SusunW (talk) 16:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Copy edit request
Greetings @SusunW
Lately I ended up in off the routine rescue effort of a stub article called D-Agree. I do not see my general topic article c/e supporting users around since couple of days. Please see if you are around and spare some time for some copy edit help for the article D-Agree.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am hip deep in working on a critical article for women in climate, but if I finish that, I will pop by and look. Sorry, but there's a clock ticking on this one and I have to stay focused on it. SusunW (talk) 13:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Ursula Sillge
On 16 July 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ursula Sillge, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ursula Sillge's attempt to organize a 1978 national lesbian gathering in East Germany led to the banning of Charlotte von Mahlsdorf's venue for LGBT meetings? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ursula Sillge. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ursula Sillge), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
pipe characters
Hi Susun! I saw this edit and wanted to share that instead of (sonntags|club) you could do (sonnntags|club). I think the former only didn't work because it was inside of the image template, so it thought the | was separating parameters.
Anyway thanks so much for starting that article, and all your hard work on it!! = paul2520 💬 13:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Paul2520 Thanks! I was very interested in her story. Imagine, churches being involved in assisting the LGBT community. Certainly not the experiences of most places around the globe. As for the "|", Gerda tried to use it also (not in the image template) and it didn't work. It truncates all the text before the punctuation mark. I just tried to use your solution and it still truncates the text before, so I previewed it, but didn't save it. SusunW (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's fabulous! I'm glad to see more and more churches near me being LGBTQ+ allied. I wish I had been involved with such a church in my youth.
- I found a fix! See here. The Wikipedia article Vertical bar helped me; I have a bit of experience with HTML editing. = paul2520 💬 16:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! As is probably obvious by now, wiki-technology is way beyond my skill set :) I appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- ...says the editor with 61k edits! ;-) = paul2520 💬 16:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Paul2520, I know my limitations. Research and writing, I know how to do. I use the exact same formatting on every single article I write. Anything outside of those rote things I know how to do leaves me scrambling to find someone who can help me. I absolutely promise you, I am baffled by the majority of wiki-technology. Heck, I cannot even make its search engine work logically for me. If I google something, I inevitably find a wiki-article, but not if I search on wiki. Its technology and me have different intuitions, we don't think the same, and the whole coding thing, don't get me started.
SusunW (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @SusunW: I'm very much a coder & happy to help with these things. Feel free to let me know if I can look over an article. I also love submitting to DYK (working on one now for Ada Buisson).
- I hear you with the search not always finding what you need. I often Google with "site:en.wikipedia.org" to ensure I find Wikipedia pages. = paul2520 💬 17:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Paul2520 I'll add you to my list of people to ask for help. I will need you, but you might regret having told me your skill. 3:) As for DYK, in my perfect world, I'd write articles and someone else would nominate them (Yoninah used to do that for me and I miss her). I find the process confusing, time consuming, and somewhat combative. But, it takes a village to make WP work and we all do what we do best. SusunW (talk) 17:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Paul2520, I know my limitations. Research and writing, I know how to do. I use the exact same formatting on every single article I write. Anything outside of those rote things I know how to do leaves me scrambling to find someone who can help me. I absolutely promise you, I am baffled by the majority of wiki-technology. Heck, I cannot even make its search engine work logically for me. If I google something, I inevitably find a wiki-article, but not if I search on wiki. Its technology and me have different intuitions, we don't think the same, and the whole coding thing, don't get me started.
- ...says the editor with 61k edits! ;-) = paul2520 💬 16:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! As is probably obvious by now, wiki-technology is way beyond my skill set :) I appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Wagner Reed
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DYK for Gerlin Bean
On 19 July 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gerlin Bean, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that activist Gerlin Bean co-founded the Organisation of Women of African and Asian Descent in 1978, an event described as "a watershed in the history of Black women's rights activism"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gerlin Bean. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Gerlin Bean), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Eunice Newton Foote
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Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Wagner Reed
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Peace, Strength and Rainbows
I tried going as quietly as I could but I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't write you personally, here, not some email, because here is where you have had such an impact on my life. I could have written this on my talk page but I decided to write it here. I will write others as well. But I wanted this to focus on you. Susun, I can not express the feelings I experienced last year when I went through my illness. I wanted, so bad, to be with my family, my daughter particularly. All I have ever wanted to be was a mother of a daughter that I could pour myself into hoping to hear her Song blossom and grow. But I can't have that experience naturally. So when my daughter came into my life I cherished the opportunity. And then Covid hit and then I got diagnosed with Leukemia and that was taken away from me for that time I was so defeated.
I went through hell in my young life, things that need not be repeated. I was introduced to the Rainbow by my grandmother. It changed my course in life and gave me a steady foundation along with the love of music and learning she stirred in me that I only connected with her in the last several years. No one knows how close I was to giving up last year. I didn't put that on all of you. I carried that burden alone. And it hurts me to think there were times I literally wanted to leave my daughter, (I said I wasn't going to cry) without me. But when I was at my weakest and those thoughts came to my mind you renewed the stirring in me for life. You put my eyes back on the path to recovery and gave me hope. You were my family through that. You inspired me to get better.
Working on this project in the capacity that I have is so small compared to the vast works you have done. I marvel at the masterpieces you create with your words. But more than that I see the strings that bind us together and the song that's played on those strings. You have been my peace, my strength, my rainbow. It's been an honor and know that you can email me anytime and I will respond as soon as I can. My beautiful friend, always stop and look for the small details in Life, a plant growing up through the crack in a sidewalk, a bee buzzing from flower to flower, a butterfly floating on a breeze, every person you walk by showing off their colors, from the sea crashing against the shore to the call of the caribou on the side of a mountain slope to the sounds of a bustling city on the move, in the details of Life is where you will hear my Song. 
--ARoseWolf 14:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am smiling through my tears. We are the strength for each other, always. There is always someone who has walked our path and can help us back to light and the sparkling rainbows around us. If we listen to their songs and dance to their rhythms until we have strength again to make our own, we will reach the rainbows. I am honored to have been one of those people for you when you needed it. Know that you have been that person for me as well. I carry you with me always. SusunW (talk) 14:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Premilla Nadasen
Hello Susun! I thought you might like to know that I finally got round to starting Premilla Nadasen's - all thanks to you bringing National Women's Studies Association up at WiR! Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lajmmoore Thank you so much! These women's studies academics are near and dear to my heart. Without them, (and digitization) many, many of the biographies we write wouldn't have been possible. I appreciate your work so much. SusunW (talk) 21:26, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Emily Rose Bleby
Hi! I wonder if you or Dr. Blofeld might have access to some additional sources for Emily Rose Bleby who was born in Jamaica and worked in the British West Indies with her missionary father before making South Wales her home? A photo would be lovely but I couldn't find one. No worries if you're busy with other things. -- Rosiestep (talk) 15:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Rosiestep Let me check and I'll get back to you. SusunW (talk) 15:13, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh lovely, great to see Penarth! We had the biggest port in the world at the time I think with the coal industry and so many emigrated from the West Indies. I'll have a look a bit later, nice one Rosiestep! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:32, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Some stuff: Bleby "arrived with his wife and infant child about the beginning of April, 1832" p 103 "Henry Bleby was the first Chairman of the Demerara section", (p 384) i.e. 1862-1866 in Guiana (p 411) 1868 became district chair in Bahamas for ten years.(p 427) Returned to UK 1878[1] These folks were serious abolitionists.[2][3] She was nominated as a poor law guardian[4]. Found a lovely obit with more info @britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk but I cannot figure out how to clip it, so I saved the PDF and e-mailed it to you Rosiestep. SusunW (talk) 16:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for all of this, SusunW! Really helped to flesh out the article. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- No problem Rosiestep. Ask any time and I'll try to help. No luck at all on a photo. SusunW (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah the trusty Western Mail. I visited it as a kid and saw the printing press and offices! Couldn't find anything Rosiestep but then I don't have access to the sources Susun has!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:26, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, Dr. B, and thanks for looking! --Rosiestep (talk) 17:37, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah the trusty Western Mail. I visited it as a kid and saw the printing press and offices! Couldn't find anything Rosiestep but then I don't have access to the sources Susun has!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:26, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- No problem Rosiestep. Ask any time and I'll try to help. No luck at all on a photo. SusunW (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for all of this, SusunW! Really helped to flesh out the article. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Some stuff: Bleby "arrived with his wife and infant child about the beginning of April, 1832" p 103 "Henry Bleby was the first Chairman of the Demerara section", (p 384) i.e. 1862-1866 in Guiana (p 411) 1868 became district chair in Bahamas for ten years.(p 427) Returned to UK 1878[1] These folks were serious abolitionists.[2][3] She was nominated as a poor law guardian[4]. Found a lovely obit with more info @britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk but I cannot figure out how to clip it, so I saved the PDF and e-mailed it to you Rosiestep. SusunW (talk) 16:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh lovely, great to see Penarth! We had the biggest port in the world at the time I think with the coal industry and so many emigrated from the West Indies. I'll have a look a bit later, nice one Rosiestep! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:32, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello Susun! Can you find anything in your newspaper archives on composer Bruce Faulconer? Dallas and Texas papers more of a chance. Anything you can save for me? No worries if too busy.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:14, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hey Dr. Blofeld, what time frame? I found this guy, but not sure if he's who you are after. If he's your guy, there's quite a bit more. I can look tomorrow. Just about to head to dinner with my sister. SusunW (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- That's our guy! Nice one. I need some more articles demonstrating coverage in reliable sources. 80s and 90s could use some more but anything you can find would help. How do you apply for access to Wiki library resources nowadays? Metawiki? I want access to the big archive sites like newspapers.com.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dr. Blofeld For the Wikipedia library, go here and sign up for both newspapers.com and newspaperarchive.com. You will also have access to the "bundled references", like OUP, Ebsco, etc with a library pass. Texas papers can be searched here as well. Stuff for you[5],[6],[7],last paragraph, did he move to Ohio?,[8],[9], [10] and he's on this page but the first page tells you what it's about,[11],[12] Hope that helps. SusunW (talk) 13:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks!! It's one of those which has to be gleaned together to produce something acceptable I think as a raw Google search doesn't turn up much in detail. It shouldn't have been redirected as he's clearly notable for more than just that Dragon series. Cheers Susun! :-) !♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yep, Dr. Blofeld. Kind of like every woman's bio, there just isn't a single source, but I agree he's notable. Just have to find snippets here and there to put a bio together. Glad to help. SusunW (talk) 14:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- That's our guy! Nice one. I need some more articles demonstrating coverage in reliable sources. 80s and 90s could use some more but anything you can find would help. How do you apply for access to Wiki library resources nowadays? Metawiki? I want access to the big archive sites like newspapers.com.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Ukrainian Melody
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today: violin solo and you can listen Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lovely! Thank you. SusunW (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- nexz: yesterday I attended a unique concert - the 18th Thomaskantor after Bach conducting - and with some good luck caught him happy afterwards! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Very cool. Always good when you can snap a photo to share and listen to lovely music. SusunW (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- thank you! ... and another opportunity 14 July: Voces8, pictured - I have a FAC open, in case of interest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- today: birthday music for a friend, after hiking in the Swiss Alps and a funeral with flowers on a bench and a Rilke poem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- thank you! ... and another opportunity 14 July: Voces8, pictured - I have a FAC open, in case of interest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Very cool. Always good when you can snap a photo to share and listen to lovely music. SusunW (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- nexz: yesterday I attended a unique concert - the 18th Thomaskantor after Bach conducting - and with some good luck caught him happy afterwards! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Women in Red August 2022
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--Lajmmoore (talk) 11:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Your GA nomination of Eunice Newton Foote
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Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Wagner Reed
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Your GA nomination of Evdokia Reshetnik
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WiG Editathon Barnstar
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Women in Green GA Editathon — July '22 | |
| Thank you for your excellent contributions to the biographies of Margaret Nygard, Rita Miljo, Eunice Newton Foote, Elizabeth Wagner Reed, and Evdokia Reshetnik at the WiG "Women and the Environment" editathon event! You rock. :-) All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC) |
Atalie, not Iva
Atalie (Cherokee: ᎠᏔᎵ, romanized: Atali) sounds like an incredible woman from just the limited reading I've done. Her writings are so beautiful and the fact she was a singer, amazing. Coincidentally I found her listed here though they have her as Iva so we might want to change that later. --ARoseWolf 15:43, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- I thought you might find her fascinating. Definitely will do a redirect to Iva (mainly because she was enrolled as that), but the majority of the sources are Atalie. [13] Have hardly scratched the surface. Tons of entries in newspapers.com and archive.org. Smithsonian says they have photos, but alas, I have no idea how to see them. SusunW (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- You can see a few just doing a casual google image search but I'll see if I can dig around and find more. It's not surprising there is a lot of information on her. She seemed very popular in affluent circles and had quite a way with words. --ARoseWolf 17:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I was good yesterday morning, but the poisoning symptoms returned in the afternoon, so we'll see how it goes today. Great news is we have no mosquitoes. If I survive the malathion, I might be able to celebrate that in the garden :s SusunW (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- ARoseWolf Would you be willing to look over what I have and give input, make changes, or additions? I think I have gleaned most of the important stuff from Callam, but you might want to give that a read through. The links at the top are all photos that I want to ask George about. SusunW (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- This is an outstanding article. I looked over it to see if anything stood out but most were covered by others or yourself and I rarely see things disjointed in anything you write anyway. As I stated on Ian's talk page, writing her name in Cherokee would be difficult at best. If it sounds as it is written then perhaps it would be as I stated or at least that would be an option. My actual birthname was not Asareel, that name became mine when my uncle and aunt adopted me. It's what I've known and what I'm known by so it's what I use. I keep my birthname for myself as something cherished from my past and to honour my mother and her family. Thank you for writing this article about an incredible woman. --ARoseWolf 15:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- ARoseWolf Would you be willing to look over what I have and give input, make changes, or additions? I think I have gleaned most of the important stuff from Callam, but you might want to give that a read through. The links at the top are all photos that I want to ask George about. SusunW (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I was good yesterday morning, but the poisoning symptoms returned in the afternoon, so we'll see how it goes today. Great news is we have no mosquitoes. If I survive the malathion, I might be able to celebrate that in the garden :s SusunW (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- You can see a few just doing a casual google image search but I'll see if I can dig around and find more. It's not surprising there is a lot of information on her. She seemed very popular in affluent circles and had quite a way with words. --ARoseWolf 17:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Identity claims
Re: the discussion at Women in Red, I genuinely do not understand why non-Native people find the subject of mistaken/false identity claims to be such a "minefield," a taboo subject, or something so complex it can't be broached. The idea that Women in Red not deal with Indigenous subjects in the future seems so extreme to me. I don't understand why people would be reluctant to reach out to experienced editors at Wikipedia:WP IPNA. Everyone has been calm, civil, and on-topic (which is pretty good for Wikipedia conversations, since many often get heated). Thanks for your efforts to clarify and explain. Yuchitown (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
- I absolutely agree Yuchitown. I've pondered if it seems easy to understand to you and I because we've lived with it our whole lives? As I've said repeatedly, I am not Native, but I grew up in Oklahoma and the biggest portion of my family are all Native. (My grandmother was the only child of my great-grandfather's first marriage, but he had 12 children who were Native with his second wife.) But, that said, whether one understands the situation or not, a solution doesn't have to be difficult or keep us from doing editathons. Just saying specifically who made the claim should not pose a huge problem or be an obstacle, IMO. The good thing about Women in Red is that discussion almost always remains civil. I appreciate you and your work. SusunW (talk) 18:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- I figure this is a good (ongoing) exercise in trying to breakdown the concepts to the public. The idea that one should consult Native people or tribal sources seems to be a dealbreaker for many, but it seems obviously that most people do not know that much about Native identity, so I don't understand the resistance to consulting Native sources (especially ones freely available online) or how to overcome it. Yuchitown (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
- I'm with you, Yuchitown. I'm thinking hard how to approach it, but I haven't come up with any definite ideas. There seems to be resistance to stating who said it, which I don't understand. Stating who said it, to my mind, isn't making a judgment call on whether the source was right or wrong, but I think that's what I am reading? I also truly don't understand why pointing out that someone is not Native, is a problem. It almost seems from the conversation that by saying that the person was not Native, the understanding is that their contributions are invalidated. Just because someone built a career on a mistaken, fake, or even false identity, doesn't mean that the work they did is less valuable or notable. Anyone can make contributions to causes without being an actual community member. My brain is exploding. Is it that it is simple, but people are making it complicated; or that it is truly complicated, and I am making it too simple? SusunW (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was just musing. I don't want your head to explode!!! 😊 Yes, Jeannette Costo Henry is still notable for her writing and activism. Many people went to their graves believing family stories and did not necessarily mean any harm. (Of course, nowadays it does behoove anyone to vet Native claims.) If these were articles about nuclear physics, editors would be expected to learn something about the topic; not parrot newspaper articles; there is a deep set, widespread resistance to learning facts about Native Americans or see tribes as authorities.... Hmm. Yuchitown (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
- Yuchitown So very much what you said (and if it were medicine, they'd have a whole different set of stringent requirements, to prevent quackery). It was never my intention to keep people from writing about indigenous women, merely to make them more aware that false claims are a problem. I appreciate your musing. It does help me clarify my own thoughts. SusunW (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yuchitown, I would never expect anything but a calm and civil Susun. We must not get caught up in conflating the validity of a claim of being Native or a descendent of Natives with notability. As I have stated before, Wikipedia can be written about a hoax, especially when a notable career or profession is built on a hoax and even if the hoax isn't fabricated by the notable individual but something believed to be true by them based on family stories. I think we should point out the truth if evidence can be presented for it but that shouldn't diminish the thing that made the individual notable even if it is based on the hoax or fake identity. It's funny but I saw my daughter watching a video recently concerning the Navajo (I have her studying the history of the Athabaskan peoples living here in the interior of Alaska and she stumbled on the fact the Apache and Navajo speak a language very similar and possibly migrated from Canada and Alaska) and it was where a man was interviewing some Navajo members in New Mexico and asking them how they felt about people dressing in something like Native dress and wearing feathers in their hair for something like Halloween. The majority didn't care about anyone dressing in (not correct but similar) Native attire. The overwhelming concern was with the feather in the hair and making sure it was not real eagle feathers. Certain animals are so sacred to traditional beliefs of Native cultures. It makes sense that most would be concerned about the respect and honor paid to these sacred spirits. But most are not offended about imitation so long as the individual doing it is not intentionally trying to cause harm and to me that's the key. We should most definitely seek assistance from someone who can help us identify the validity of a claim. But it's okay, if that individual is notable, to continue to write about them even if we validate that their claim is false. --ARoseWolf 15:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Rose, I'm not following your point. I don't know where anyone was suggesting that a notable person was not notable for not being Native. I don't know anywhere anyone was recently suggesting deleting an article because someone was not Native. Yuchitown (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
- You haven't suggested that, and I never would expect you would, but it has been suggested that because they claimed something that was false that it was a hoax and not suitable for Wikipedia according to WP:HOAX. I was simply agreeing with your assessment that a person may still be notable and their article completely appropriate even though they claim something that is untrue, such as in the case of Jeanette's activism and writing. The rest was simply diatribe on how its incorrect to assume everyone has the same opinions about things that we ourselves may agree or disagree with and it is equally incorrect to force another human being to adhere to our own personal standards or philosophies. It wasn't directed at anyone particular, least of which you. Only the first sentence was specifically directed at you and I should have made that more clear. My apologies, Yuchi. --ARoseWolf 17:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- I appreciate you both so much. Truly. I am having a very difficult day and it makes me smile to see both of you here. SusunW (talk) 17:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- I offer you another smile Susun - I spend far too much of my time these days doing backroom stuff at SPI, and not enough time working on articles with brilliant, collaborative people like you. Hope your day improves. :) Girth Summit (blether) 18:20, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Girth Summit it is lovely to see you here and it did make me smile. That is just one of the reasons I would never, ever consider becoming an admin, but mostly my reluctance stems from my aversion to policing others. Just not in my list of favorite things and I find life stressful enough without adding to that with monitoring other people. Hope all is going well for you. SusunW (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Susun, you are one of my very favorite people here on Wikipedia. I hope your day gets better. Your Song is so beautiful to me and I love your Colors. Keep smiling. There are a lot of editors here that I admire and highly esteem, many of which I consider friends, both Yuchitown and Girth Summit come to mind since they have commented here. I appreciate all of you. --ARoseWolf 19:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- There's always a trade off between what we enjoy, what we're good at, and what needs doing - lots of things pulling in different directions. We need more articles like the ones you write, and you're good at writing them. If you also enjoy doing it then it's the perfect situation, and you shouldn't feel like adminning is sonething you ought to do too. I hope you keep doing what you do, and that I get a chance to do some more of it with you. Girth Summit (blether) 19:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Some days real life kicks you and some days research is a nightmare. When those things happen in conjunction, it makes for stress. I don't operate well under stress, so taking moments to breathe and converse, definitely help and put things into perspective. I truly appreciate each of you and that you helped me to destress. Smiles are amazing medicine. I hope tomorrow is a gentler day for all of us. SusunW (talk) 19:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- By the way... I'm on holiday just now, in Moray. About 15 miles from Aberlour. I've already been to take some better pics of St Margaret's Church, planning to try to find MMG's grave tomorrow, and take some pics of her house if the shortbread people will key me in. Girth Summit (blether) 20:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Girth Summit That is exciting! I miss travel. I have traveled my whole life and this not being able to since 2019 has been awful. I wish you luck with the search and the photos. My husband and I have spent many hours wandering cemeteries. I find them peaceful and fascinating. SusunW (talk) 15:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- By the way... I'm on holiday just now, in Moray. About 15 miles from Aberlour. I've already been to take some better pics of St Margaret's Church, planning to try to find MMG's grave tomorrow, and take some pics of her house if the shortbread people will key me in. Girth Summit (blether) 20:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Some days real life kicks you and some days research is a nightmare. When those things happen in conjunction, it makes for stress. I don't operate well under stress, so taking moments to breathe and converse, definitely help and put things into perspective. I truly appreciate each of you and that you helped me to destress. Smiles are amazing medicine. I hope tomorrow is a gentler day for all of us. SusunW (talk) 19:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Girth Summit it is lovely to see you here and it did make me smile. That is just one of the reasons I would never, ever consider becoming an admin, but mostly my reluctance stems from my aversion to policing others. Just not in my list of favorite things and I find life stressful enough without adding to that with monitoring other people. Hope all is going well for you. SusunW (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- I offer you another smile Susun - I spend far too much of my time these days doing backroom stuff at SPI, and not enough time working on articles with brilliant, collaborative people like you. Hope your day improves. :) Girth Summit (blether) 18:20, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- I appreciate you both so much. Truly. I am having a very difficult day and it makes me smile to see both of you here. SusunW (talk) 17:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- You haven't suggested that, and I never would expect you would, but it has been suggested that because they claimed something that was false that it was a hoax and not suitable for Wikipedia according to WP:HOAX. I was simply agreeing with your assessment that a person may still be notable and their article completely appropriate even though they claim something that is untrue, such as in the case of Jeanette's activism and writing. The rest was simply diatribe on how its incorrect to assume everyone has the same opinions about things that we ourselves may agree or disagree with and it is equally incorrect to force another human being to adhere to our own personal standards or philosophies. It wasn't directed at anyone particular, least of which you. Only the first sentence was specifically directed at you and I should have made that more clear. My apologies, Yuchi. --ARoseWolf 17:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Rose, I'm not following your point. I don't know where anyone was suggesting that a notable person was not notable for not being Native. I don't know anywhere anyone was recently suggesting deleting an article because someone was not Native. Yuchitown (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
- Yuchitown, I would never expect anything but a calm and civil Susun. We must not get caught up in conflating the validity of a claim of being Native or a descendent of Natives with notability. As I have stated before, Wikipedia can be written about a hoax, especially when a notable career or profession is built on a hoax and even if the hoax isn't fabricated by the notable individual but something believed to be true by them based on family stories. I think we should point out the truth if evidence can be presented for it but that shouldn't diminish the thing that made the individual notable even if it is based on the hoax or fake identity. It's funny but I saw my daughter watching a video recently concerning the Navajo (I have her studying the history of the Athabaskan peoples living here in the interior of Alaska and she stumbled on the fact the Apache and Navajo speak a language very similar and possibly migrated from Canada and Alaska) and it was where a man was interviewing some Navajo members in New Mexico and asking them how they felt about people dressing in something like Native dress and wearing feathers in their hair for something like Halloween. The majority didn't care about anyone dressing in (not correct but similar) Native attire. The overwhelming concern was with the feather in the hair and making sure it was not real eagle feathers. Certain animals are so sacred to traditional beliefs of Native cultures. It makes sense that most would be concerned about the respect and honor paid to these sacred spirits. But most are not offended about imitation so long as the individual doing it is not intentionally trying to cause harm and to me that's the key. We should most definitely seek assistance from someone who can help us identify the validity of a claim. But it's okay, if that individual is notable, to continue to write about them even if we validate that their claim is false. --ARoseWolf 15:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yuchitown So very much what you said (and if it were medicine, they'd have a whole different set of stringent requirements, to prevent quackery). It was never my intention to keep people from writing about indigenous women, merely to make them more aware that false claims are a problem. I appreciate your musing. It does help me clarify my own thoughts. SusunW (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was just musing. I don't want your head to explode!!! 😊 Yes, Jeannette Costo Henry is still notable for her writing and activism. Many people went to their graves believing family stories and did not necessarily mean any harm. (Of course, nowadays it does behoove anyone to vet Native claims.) If these were articles about nuclear physics, editors would be expected to learn something about the topic; not parrot newspaper articles; there is a deep set, widespread resistance to learning facts about Native Americans or see tribes as authorities.... Hmm. Yuchitown (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
- I'm with you, Yuchitown. I'm thinking hard how to approach it, but I haven't come up with any definite ideas. There seems to be resistance to stating who said it, which I don't understand. Stating who said it, to my mind, isn't making a judgment call on whether the source was right or wrong, but I think that's what I am reading? I also truly don't understand why pointing out that someone is not Native, is a problem. It almost seems from the conversation that by saying that the person was not Native, the understanding is that their contributions are invalidated. Just because someone built a career on a mistaken, fake, or even false identity, doesn't mean that the work they did is less valuable or notable. Anyone can make contributions to causes without being an actual community member. My brain is exploding. Is it that it is simple, but people are making it complicated; or that it is truly complicated, and I am making it too simple? SusunW (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- I figure this is a good (ongoing) exercise in trying to breakdown the concepts to the public. The idea that one should consult Native people or tribal sources seems to be a dealbreaker for many, but it seems obviously that most people do not know that much about Native identity, so I don't understand the resistance to consulting Native sources (especially ones freely available online) or how to overcome it. Yuchitown (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown
The last time I traveled was 2019! I think that's when I first showed the signs of being sick though two biopsies came back negative. I just wanted to travel the roads my Papa took us down every year. I took my daughter and niece with me but I really over did it. I used to travel a lot, going international but mostly sticking to the lower 48 states. I have very fond memories of annual trips to Montana, Wyoming, Washington, California. I always tried to time my trips to Cali around Coachella. Back in 2012 I was on the beach in Santa Monica when I got caught up in a huge group of people. We danced to music in this large circle of humanity. It was amazing. I may have had a little too much to drink (lol). I do remember the LAPD helicopters flying over. Wherever people were I seemed to be there just enjoying the sounds and colors of our human Songs. It was always intense and sometimes painful but I wouldn't trade the experiences for anything. Now I get all the "quiet time" I want or can stand. --ARoseWolf 16:14, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I've taken one international trip since 2019 - to Dublin, for a weekend - and caught covid, having avoided it up until that point. It wasn't worse than a bad cold, no long-term effects thankfully, but it definitely put me off aeroplanes for the foreseeable. I'm sticking to holidays in the UK for now.
- Didn't make it to Aberlour today (weather was rotten), but you can see some of the pictures I took the other day at Gordon Chapel - all that lovely stained glass. Still trying to work out whether a gallery like that is the best way to display them, it's not quite what I had in mind, but images aren't my forte. More will be forthcoming! Girth Summit (blether) 16:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- @ARoseWolf and Girth Summit: Interesting that 2019 was the cut off for all of us. November 2018 was when I was diagnosed with breast cancer and all travel pretty much ceased, except for one trip to Berlin in 2019, between radiation treatments. Then Covid hit and my oncologist said, no more travel, no more socializing. I long for the random sing-alongs and dancing with wait staff in Paris and Florence. We have had some truly special travels and for some magical reason, Les and I always get adopted by locals and invited to off-the-tourist-track moments. I think travel is necessary for the soul to grow. Sorry the weather was uncooperative, but hoping that improves. Will look at the photos. SusunW (talk) 16:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Goodness - sorry to hear about the breast cancer, how awful. Is that in the past now, or are you still going through treatment? Weather is looking better for the rest of the week here, thankfully - you can't go on holiday to Scotland and expect decent weather every day... Girth Summit (blether) 16:53, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Girth Summit December 2024 is the ultimate release-day for me if nothing happens between now and then. So far all seems good other than the occasional reaction to meds, usually when they change or when I am stressed. I doubt you could survive our heat, but you can definitely travel every day in Yucatan and expect lovely weather except for about an hour or two every day, when it showers lightly until November. Then it's the worst of hurricane season for a month and returns to sunshine in December. Our weather is blissfully boring. Sun every day. SusunW (talk) 17:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I could survive the heat - I have spent time working outside in Abu Dhabi in August, when you need to wear gloves because touching metal will burn your hands, so I think I can survive pretty much anything! What I couldn't do is enjoy it. My ideal day is about 18°C; I'm happy enough up to maybe 25°, above that I get to feel itchy and sticky. A few of my family members have had breast cancer; I'm happy to say that they have all survived, and are all living normal lives again now. I'm glad it's going OK for you so far, and I'll keep everything crossed for you until December 2024 - that will be a good day when you get the all-clear! Girth Summit (blether) 17:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am the opposite, I am comfortable once it hits 28°C but below that am miserably freezing. Thank you for your well-wishes. I can honestly say this journey would not have been as easy without the support of friends. SusunW (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Try being served divorce papers on your 30th Birthday which happened to also be Valentines Day. A year later and I was being taken to hospital the first time for leukemia like symptoms. This went on for a while. Then they decided to hospitalize me again and do two biopsies which resulted in two negative results. I spent some time under evaluation and released. Because I had a prior history of mental issues I was followed for a psych evaluation (imagine that). Given a clean bill of health both mentally and physically I was left to wander for another year before being properly diagnosed. Then I had to go through that almost alone due to covid restrictions, except for those here that became my family during that time. I get that Wikipedia isn't necessarily here for friendships or social connections in that sense and its not supposed to be therapeutic but I don't understand how so many easily dismiss the human side of this project. Maybe that's my problem, I just can't separate the two. I would not be able to handle the heat now though I could tolerate it more when I was younger. If you want exciting weather you can always come up for a winter. It might be quite the change of pace. I can turn on the heaters for you. lol --ARoseWolf 17:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Asareel, I cannot imagine that WP is not supposed to be therapeutic for everyone. I can honestly say that when I am researching and writing, I am in my happy place. I am fortunate not to have had to walk most of my journey through life alone. But those times that I did experience aloneness, definitely made me stronger and taught me to bend with the forces I could not control. I am glad that you found strength and chosen family. I too survive by their grace. In honesty, the mere thought of Alaska in winter is daunting. SusunW (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I did and do find strength in you and others, Susun, some don't even know. Especially on those days when my own strength wavered. Sometimes I still don't feel strong enough. But I read way more than I write here. And I cherish most everything I read and those I come into contact with, even those I have disagreed with or have disagreed with me. --ARoseWolf 18:31, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm lost for words, Asareel, I really don't know what to say to what you wrote above. Awful. Terrible. 'I hope you are OK and move past this' seems woefully inadequate, but it's true, so I wrote it. I agree that the social side of this project is too often derided - sure, we're all here to write and improve articles, but the act of collaborating with other people - even if it's just someone saying to you 'hey, nice work' - that's a big part of it for a lot of us. We overlook that at our peril - a clinical environment where it's all work and no play would doubtless make a lot of productive people drift away. Girth Summit (blether) 19:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Girth, there are quite a few editors here that are the reason I am still around, some may be shocked to know they are one of them, else I would have drifted away long ago. I'm not a prolific writer like Susun, I still haven't mastered the English language though I've lived in the US since I was 11. I've managed to teach my daughter some of Italian and even some Hebrew and Yiddish words and phrases. She's walking this journey of mine in learning Cherokee too. I see the world in ways some people would call crazy but it's my reality and no one knows it better than me. I choose to shine a little light on those here and my contributions, for now, with exception of some copyediting, are to encourage those like Susun to keep writing because I am an editor but also a fan of Wikipedia and that includes the policies and guidelines, even those I find confusing. It's produced this community and this encyclopedia so far. It's a beautifully woven symphony of sounds and colors for me. I was called something in Tlingit which I'm not sure I fully can translate but I was told it equates to Aurora's Wolf, Aurora being the Aurora Borealis. It was given to me by a dear Tlingit friend as we watched the shape of a wolf form in the Aurora over Haines in 2016. I have tried to live up to that phrase or that name bringing light into the darkest of days for those I come into contact with in every aspect of my life. That's not just a persona, that's who I am at my core. --ARoseWolf 19:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm lost for words, Asareel, I really don't know what to say to what you wrote above. Awful. Terrible. 'I hope you are OK and move past this' seems woefully inadequate, but it's true, so I wrote it. I agree that the social side of this project is too often derided - sure, we're all here to write and improve articles, but the act of collaborating with other people - even if it's just someone saying to you 'hey, nice work' - that's a big part of it for a lot of us. We overlook that at our peril - a clinical environment where it's all work and no play would doubtless make a lot of productive people drift away. Girth Summit (blether) 19:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I did and do find strength in you and others, Susun, some don't even know. Especially on those days when my own strength wavered. Sometimes I still don't feel strong enough. But I read way more than I write here. And I cherish most everything I read and those I come into contact with, even those I have disagreed with or have disagreed with me. --ARoseWolf 18:31, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Asareel, I cannot imagine that WP is not supposed to be therapeutic for everyone. I can honestly say that when I am researching and writing, I am in my happy place. I am fortunate not to have had to walk most of my journey through life alone. But those times that I did experience aloneness, definitely made me stronger and taught me to bend with the forces I could not control. I am glad that you found strength and chosen family. I too survive by their grace. In honesty, the mere thought of Alaska in winter is daunting. SusunW (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Try being served divorce papers on your 30th Birthday which happened to also be Valentines Day. A year later and I was being taken to hospital the first time for leukemia like symptoms. This went on for a while. Then they decided to hospitalize me again and do two biopsies which resulted in two negative results. I spent some time under evaluation and released. Because I had a prior history of mental issues I was followed for a psych evaluation (imagine that). Given a clean bill of health both mentally and physically I was left to wander for another year before being properly diagnosed. Then I had to go through that almost alone due to covid restrictions, except for those here that became my family during that time. I get that Wikipedia isn't necessarily here for friendships or social connections in that sense and its not supposed to be therapeutic but I don't understand how so many easily dismiss the human side of this project. Maybe that's my problem, I just can't separate the two. I would not be able to handle the heat now though I could tolerate it more when I was younger. If you want exciting weather you can always come up for a winter. It might be quite the change of pace. I can turn on the heaters for you. lol --ARoseWolf 17:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am the opposite, I am comfortable once it hits 28°C but below that am miserably freezing. Thank you for your well-wishes. I can honestly say this journey would not have been as easy without the support of friends. SusunW (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I could survive the heat - I have spent time working outside in Abu Dhabi in August, when you need to wear gloves because touching metal will burn your hands, so I think I can survive pretty much anything! What I couldn't do is enjoy it. My ideal day is about 18°C; I'm happy enough up to maybe 25°, above that I get to feel itchy and sticky. A few of my family members have had breast cancer; I'm happy to say that they have all survived, and are all living normal lives again now. I'm glad it's going OK for you so far, and I'll keep everything crossed for you until December 2024 - that will be a good day when you get the all-clear! Girth Summit (blether) 17:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Girth Summit December 2024 is the ultimate release-day for me if nothing happens between now and then. So far all seems good other than the occasional reaction to meds, usually when they change or when I am stressed. I doubt you could survive our heat, but you can definitely travel every day in Yucatan and expect lovely weather except for about an hour or two every day, when it showers lightly until November. Then it's the worst of hurricane season for a month and returns to sunshine in December. Our weather is blissfully boring. Sun every day. SusunW (talk) 17:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Goodness - sorry to hear about the breast cancer, how awful. Is that in the past now, or are you still going through treatment? Weather is looking better for the rest of the week here, thankfully - you can't go on holiday to Scotland and expect decent weather every day... Girth Summit (blether) 16:53, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- @ARoseWolf and Girth Summit: Interesting that 2019 was the cut off for all of us. November 2018 was when I was diagnosed with breast cancer and all travel pretty much ceased, except for one trip to Berlin in 2019, between radiation treatments. Then Covid hit and my oncologist said, no more travel, no more socializing. I long for the random sing-alongs and dancing with wait staff in Paris and Florence. We have had some truly special travels and for some magical reason, Les and I always get adopted by locals and invited to off-the-tourist-track moments. I think travel is necessary for the soul to grow. Sorry the weather was uncooperative, but hoping that improves. Will look at the photos. SusunW (talk) 16:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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Thought I'd share, I finally added a couple images to the Poison Waters article. Happy editing! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:54, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Congratulations! Glad you were able to finally get them! They look great. SusunW (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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