User talk:Sikh-history/Archive 4

Stop to deleting the genuine text

Dear Mr Sikh History

Please stop the deleting the trusted and genuine text and history. You dont have right to interfere in Gujjar history and its personalities I think you have much better things to do.

regards (Gurjeshwar (talk) 03:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC))

Be Calm

Mr. Jat

I have entered Sachin Pilot Picure on gujjar wikipedia with genuine way, and you better know that sachin belongs to Gujjar community, and you always delete. We dont need your contribution on Gujjar wikipedia. The everything we write here with full authentic and proofs as described in Government ghazette. Dont try to remove any genuine text from Gujjar. We know about your conspiracy. Thanks

(Gurjeshwar (talk) 03:14, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

Dear Mr. Sikh history, i write whatever you entered on your webpage (i am jat), and please listen, m not inexperienced writer on wikipedia. Why you should give me warning without a reason? We are here to not promote or satisfying individuals feelings. We are here to provide authentic information for society.

(Gurjeshwar (talk) 06:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

TheJatBoy: Its true that Sachin Pilot is Gurjar. He is not Jat. I am 100% sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.176.129.21 (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Muley Jat

May be got a bit emotional. Unfortunately there seems to be many edit wars over South Asian articles, and thats why I got a bit flustered.

--WALTHAM2 (talk) 15:31, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Your very odd edits on two articles

You are an administrator , and I am Intrigued by how you are misusing your powers to provide misleading edits , references and deletions of valid content .
Here are two examples , I could explicitly provide several more instances in other articles .

• Kutha Meat .
• Khatri: Instead of coherently replying my query , you answer Will take a look when I get a chance?
  

Very unbecoming of an admin ??
Intothefire (talk) 18:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

REPLY to some very odd comments

I think this is a clear case of WP:LAWYER and not WP:AGF. I also note you have past history of this sort of behaviour as pointed out here. I suggest you concentrate on that first. Thanks--Sikh-History 09:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

PERSONAL ATTENTION REQUESTED! article: JAT People

My Dear Sir, it seems some people are interested in ruining the article. You are always very quick in reverting edits of the people. But Sir, why are you ignoring what's going on, in the introduction section of the article. A person seems to have directly added the quote from another Encyclopedia Website, using that particular encyclopedia cite as a reference. But Sir, the users are expected to provide very strong references (with ISBN), but in this case, it is not so. The original text should be restored. Why don't you suggest them to provide such information on the External Links section, if they are so interested. And when you have all the authority in the world regarding this article, why are you waiting to revert the edit. Using quotes from other Encyclopedia Websites, doesn't seems to be a solution. Their are a number of Websites on the internet, whose information contradicts with each other; this is only going to create edit wars. Please look into the matter. I am looking forward for yor cooperation. Such ones should be limited only on the talk pages, and not on main page of the article. Ask them to discuss on talk page.

I think people deserves to share their views, but in a proper manner. I believe that guy didn't find any other strong reference which is acceptable by you guyz (official editing crew), and he involved informatiom from other websites. Anyone can do that, there are a number of Websites on the World Wide Web. This one needs your attention. Everybody should be given a chance to edit, but with neutral approach, and not to acheive any particular goal. You must have got what I am trying to say. This is not good what happening to the article.

Respected Sir, I do respect this page. I have never made any such attempt which may create any edit war, when you have advised me to not to do so. If you respect this fact a bit, please take necessary action. Sincererly. Abstruce (talk) 13:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

[Here http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=jat+peasant#q=jat+peasant&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=bks:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wp&fp=7145a8ee82ec6b14] are hundreds of books that refer to the "Jat peasant" caste. It's called WP:Balance. Thanks--Sikh-History 18:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

i did, look at my explanation. i was talking about how the concept of sikh extremism was being used erroneously in the article. the article was defining sikh extremism, not by an extreme or fundamental interpretation of sikhism and according actions, but instead was simply describing men who were born into sikh families, who did not follow fundamental or extreme interpretations of sikhism, as being sikh extremist, solely because of their background.this is erroneous and proof is beared by how the documented athiest Bhagat singh was described in the article as being a sikh extremist, despite his non -adherence to the proper definition of sikh extremism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.242.70 (talk) 23:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Where, according to my history, have i been deleting properly cited information?

In fact, it is you who has deleted what I included from the Britannica Online article. Please do not waste my time with your petty arguments on user updated online encyclopedias, which in this case is wikipedia. If you have no better way to spend your free time than to find ways to demean an ethnic group to satisfy your own insecurities, please do so elsewhere. Wikipedia is a tool used by many to gain information on a variety of topics, and to give false and or bias information would be an injustice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeonamorh101 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Following Up: PERSONAL ATTENTION REQUESTED! article: JAT People

My Dear Sikh-History Sir, Thank You very much for your valuable time. I would have posted new text under old one, but a gentlemen seems to have interrupted the section I started, in between.

Respected Sir, I have two queries, but they are inter-linked with each other, that's why I am putting them together here. I have read WP:Balance before as well, and it clearly states that when reputable sources contradict one another and are relatively equal in prominence, then the person editing the text is expected to describe both approaches and work for balance. Same seems to be the case here , I think you would also agree to it. So, instead of deleting the line I wrote, you could have used any phrase like, On the other hand; and then described another views as well, Sir.

Furthurmore, as you told me that there are many references which describes the same view as the Encyclopedia Website from which the information has been posted in particular, then why aren't they put as a reference; but instead, an Encyclopedia Website has been directly used as a reference, in an article of Wikipedia!!!

And even if they are put as a reference, can any of their writer counterbalance the reputation of Col. James Tod!!! Please be honest!

Furthur, even if their is any such person, then also, both the statements deserves to be on the page. I believe that's what WP:Balance demands. And so Respected Sir, I once again Request you to look into the matter, and take necessary steps. And of-course, I do respect the fact that you have always tredted me with leniency. And, I have never used any such comments like 'biased' for you Sir or anyone else, ever. Please tell me whether books written by Col. James Tod can be used as a reference to post information on Wikipedia or not (if the text is used in accordance with the guidelines of Wikipedia) Abstruce (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Editor DBacham, got rid of many of the 19th century references, because they were simply wrong. Thanks--Sikh-History 22:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Muley Jat

I have already used this book as my source Rivalry and brotherhood: politics in the life of farmers in Northern India by Dipankar Gupta. There is also reference to a second book on your list "Social movements and the state by Ghanshyam Shah", I will try to get hold of this as well to further strenghten the article. --WALTHAM2 (talk) 22:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Into The Fire

I have examined some of the diffs for the recent dispute between yourself and User:Intothefire. Some of his concerns are valid; if you are adding content to articles you need to have sources to back it up. There is already so much unsourced content in our India/Pakistan articles, but it is inappropriate to add still more. Same thing goes the other way: If you are removing content that quotes a source, you better have more justification that simply saying "the sources are wrong" before you remove it. When an editor has a concern about your content decisions, please address them; don't just remove them from your talk page. Example: [here]. I have also left a message on the talk page of User:Intothefire, which you are welcome to read. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 01:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

RE: User Into The Fires WP:Wikistalking and WP:Harassment

Greetings, I think your concerns are a bit undue as regards any participation on my part in this argument. Intothefires asked me for support/advice, and I simply said "if you feel you have a case, take it to ANI and do it unemotionally, with a clear context, and provide difs." The only vague form of "support" that could possibly be inferred was "yeah, one of the diffs looked excessive." So far as your complaint about alt accusations, your link just brought me back to a talk page about this current ITF issue, where I don't see anything from me about alts. Are you referring to some other case, and if so what does that have to do with the disagreement between you at ITF? In short, the argument between you and him is not my issue, and I simply told him "can't help you, take it up with ANI if you think you have a case." Hope you guys manage to sort things out amicably. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

OK

Have it your way.Winston786 (talk) 15:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Upsetting people about caste divisions

Hi! I am so glad you wrote to me on this contentious subject - one that has been troubling me for years. In principle I agree with you totally. On the matter of caste, though - I have found through long and bitter arguments (as I am sure you would be aware) that any mention of caste is likely to stir up reams of heated debate that never seems to get anywhere and is just a great waste of time and energy (two things I am running short of).

Also, I believe that the caste system is gradually breaking down and I try not to contribute to people digging their heels in over caste issues. Additionally, I think that saying whether a caste is a caste of peasants, warriors or "royals" is, fortunately, becoming increasing irrelevant in the modern world as we find people of all castes (and casteless people as well) taking up and working in roles completely unthinkable just a few decades ago. This, I believe is an extremely positive development, and one which may allow India to be a much fairer and happier society and allow millions to lead far more fulfilling lives. Certainly Jats are found working in practically every possible occupation these days. So, to refer to them as a "peasant caste" is becoming not only more and more irrelevant, but actually serves mostly to cause division and bad feeling. Perhaps a way around this would be to put things in the past tense. For example, it might be possible in the article to say (without, hopefully, starting another bitter feud) that Jats were previously considered to belong to a peasant caste. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on all this. Many thanks for bringing it up. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

PS. About the use of Encyclopedia Britannica: As it is, like WP, a secondary source, it should be used with great caution - especially on contentious issues. Furthermore, aa it is in competition with WP, I prefer not to use it as a source unless others are not available. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 23:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Name change

Hi, Sikh History. I hope all is well with you. I just saw your note that you are thinking of doing a user-name change. That might be a good idea, who knows? People might be assuming you are here to promote a particular agenda. Please be sure to drop me a line and let me know what your new user name is, if you decide to make a change. And thank you for taking my criticism last week with your usual good humour. Happy editing, --Diannaa ^(Talk) 16:21, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Alphabeticalizing sources

In reference to the links listed at the end of the Sikhism article, what do you have against alphabeticalizing the links? What is the current order? Order of relevance? Who decides that? Listing the sources in alphabetical order is a neutral, convention that is widely accepted. Why do you not accept it? Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa (talk) 05:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, me and other editors have tried to put the links in order of relevance, as some sites are obscure. Also there has been a bit of a free for all, in adding links, therefore we have had to take a view that no more links are added, unless one is removed, and you have to add an edit summary as to why. Thanks--Sikh-History 11:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Wikistalking

I can only provide you links to the pages where as soon as I did any editing, Rama's Arrow showed up and started an edit war along with his tag team. He and his tag team and meat puppets successfully got me and three other users banned. He was later removed from the post of administrator after he started to fight against the members of the same tag team who previously supported him. I, as a Pakistani Muslim, had firsthand knowledge of Pakistan and Islam which he constantly challenged and fought against. He is one of those fanatic ideologues who want to enforce their own version of facts and, because of extremely faulty and unstable nature of Wikipedia, get away with breaking every rule in Wikipedia's books by subversion and threats. Because I have realized that Wikipedia is a hopeless venue with zero respect and is viewed with utter abhorrence in among academia I have ceased to be a regular contributor. Hope this helps. Szhaider (talk) 15:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Sahota

Hello sahota is ramgarhia tribe of tarkhan caste. i have many cousins surname name sahota they all tarkahns, ramgarhias plz edit sahota page same as panesar,sagoo,hunjan,bhogal (clan ramgarhia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.53.176 (talk) 14:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Sardarji Jokes

Hi, personally, I'm against derogatory Sardarji jokes, but a title like "Racist jokes against Sardarjis" would be a POV title. To give an analogy, "Sexist blonde stereotype" would be a POV title; Blonde stereotype is a better title -- we should assume that the reader will be intelligent enough to realize that the stereotype of blond women being considered stupid is sexist.

Besides, there are many Sardarji jokes which depict the Sikhs as witty (such as some of the Pakistan-bashing ones). I've long wanted to add a "positive stereotypes" section to the article, but can't find good references for it.

I think it's best to leave the article with a "neutral perspective" look. Otherwise, the reader may be dismissive of it as propaganda. Just my two cents. utcursch | talk 05:45, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Guru Nanak Dev

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Citation requested

Please see my note for you on the Talk Nanda Page,
Intothefire (talk) 18:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Sikh History

For a seasoned contributor of wikipedia , its strange that you repeatedly make similar unsubstantiated , uncited contributions ....some repeatedly like the following 3 in two different articles , and then not take cognizance of your own edits , attributing them to others or confusion . Since these three edits are practically the same and over three years surely they can not be a persistent mistake .

4 December 2009

14 February 2011

16th Nov 2010

• Please provide a citation for this content .
  

• Just too many Punjab ethnological articles have been befuddled by insertion of phony un cited information and persistent mis categorization .

• Is it possible that you are using content from the book (although its only my guess) "Origins and History of Jats and Other Allied Nomadic Tribes of India By B.S. Nijjar" . If yes you may like to see an interesting comment by a fine editor Talk Indo-Scythians page
  

Either case would appreciate to have your specific response
Intothefire (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Hi, Intothefire. I was looking at the diff from November, and it appears that the unsourced material of which you complain has since been replaced with sourced content. So I ask you what is the point of asking for a source for it at this time? It is not even in the article any more.

The diff from December 2009, over a year old, and the more recent diff from February 2011. These are both from the article Nanda, and like any other editor, you are free to remove material that has no citations. In the case of the Nanda article, though, if you strip out all content with no sources there will be virtually nothing left. This is true of many articles about India and is a huge problem as much of India's history and information about clans, tribes, and castes is not written down anywhere.

Some of your remarks above are a little inflammatory and I suggest that you comment only on the content of the articles and not speculate about the motives for the behaviour of your fellow editors. Please post your comments about articles on the talk pages of those specific articles so that the community at large will be aware of the discussion. Persons interested in the Nanda article would not think to check this page for discussion about its content. Thank you. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 16:40, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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Can you take a look at Dera Sacha Sauda?, it looks pretty biased to me, especially the long list of charity works and the wording about controversies but basically I'm not sure what to do with it.--Profitoftruth85 (talk) 21:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hi. On the humanities reference desk someone is asking, politely, about Sikhs and Punjabi ethnicity. I thought you might be able to give a well-informed answer. Some of us have done our best but we're not experts. Best wishes. Itsmejudith (talk) 21:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

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Kapoor family

Hi, as an uninvolved watchlister I am a bit tired of all these claims and counter claims to the whole section of articles and I think its time for a WP:RFC to stop all the reverting, what do you think? Which article is the most central for the discussion - Kapoor family ?Off2riorob (talk) 14:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Sardarji_jokes

Please do not repeat your recent edit on Sardarji_jokes. It is being discussed on the talk page, as was made clear prior to your edit. You may have a conflict of interest here, so I would suggest that you leave it to people who do not. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

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Removing attribution

Please don't do this. It violates our plagiarism policy. Thanks, Theleftorium ^(talk) 14:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

sahota (tarkhan-ramgarhia caste)

hello sikh history guy am i tarkhan for some reason sahota are not jat never will be jat also way remain tarkhan and why u deleting my edit page on sahota its tarkhans or ramgarhia --Ramanpreet sahota (talk) 11:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Jat people: about the reverts!

Hello,

You have reverted some of My contributions on the article: Jat people. I have some doubts and believes that the information does not deserves to be removed this way without a brief explaination. I respectfully ask You to please join the discussion at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jat_people#Experts.27_Assistance_deeply_Requested.2C_about_the_Guidelines_of_Wikipedia. Please at, Section: Experts' Assistance deeply Requested, about the Guidelines of Wikipedia. at Talk:Jat people. I would be grateful to You!

Thanks! Sincerely: Abstruce (talk) 17:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Outline of Sikhism

I noticed you are heavily into Sikhism, and I could sure use your input. What would be the best ways to improve this article? The Transhumanist 01:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me

You said I removed content in a Twinkle warning on the 13th but I didn't edit the page that day. Also, if you were reinstating the message you left previously that I blanked, you are not allowed to restore deleted messages on another member's talk page.

Please read up on Wikipedia guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.112.182 (talk) 14:16, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Jat page edit

Hi, regarding the edit in Jat, could you remove the Jat girl pic of 19th century and replace it, will some other pic of jat female. The pashtun page has many colored pics.Kindly add alike. Honestly there are pics of many pretty Jat women. Can't we add that and remove the one added of Runnea Jatni. Wikipedia sometimes becomes a status bar from which people start stereotyping the community (and children identify and know about themselves). It is request, please change the pic.

http://www.liveindia.com/shimla/Maharaja_Bhupinder_Singh_Patiala.html

http://sareedreams.com/2011/07/surprisingly-simple-sarees-on-patialas-maharanis/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/revealed-the-woman-who-terrified-the-british-empire-1690412.html?action=Popup

Additionally the display pic, shows Jats as Hindus, wouldn't that create issues with the non-hindu communities.I mean the muslim Jats can raise an objection to it. Kindly look into it.--Sheokhand (talk) 12:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Sheokhand, and welcome to Wikipedia. I am Dianna, and I am an administrator on Wikipedia. The photos you suggest, while great pictures, are protected by copyright. In the U.S., any works published after January 1, 1923, are the property of the person who took the picture and cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia without the consent of the person who took the picture. When a work has not been published in the U.S. but in some other country, that other country's copyright laws also must be taken into account. It is a very complicated business. Private individuals sometimes take their own pictures and upload them to Wikipedia as well. Further information is available at Wikipedia:Image use policy, WP:Copyrights, and WP:Public domain. --Dianna (talk) 14:30, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Sheokhand (talk) I think Dianna has covered what I would have stated. Remember, Wikipedia, is an encyclopedia, and therefore we must treat it as such. Thanks SH 16:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Expert attention requested

Hi Sikh-history,

Sitush recommended I contact you regarding the article Nirankari. I've spruced it up as best I can (and learned some interesting new things in the process), but it could really benefit from an editor with a good understanding of Sikhism and its tenets - which, I'm sorry to say, isn't me. If you have an opportunity to take a look at the page, I'd be very appreciative. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 10:28, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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Sourcing etc

I apologise if I appear to be coming down heavily on the sources that are used in Hari Singh Nalwa. I am not unduly concerned about you - we are both capable of having a sensible, civil discussion about things - but in dealing with the IP it really is important that I am seen to play fairly. I mean, we should do that in any case but this one is a bit of an awkward case.

One good thing that should come out of it is that I may begin to get a better understanding of the people and the period that the article covers. I am coming at it with little or no prior knowledge! - Sitush (talk) 00:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Spiritual use of cannabis

Hi. The text saying Sikhs smoke cannabis has now been removed; you may wish to add the page to your watchlist however. Cheers! In ictu oculi (talk) 04:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

References

Hello and thanks. But i must say that i used wiki's for references in rare cases moreover i used them bcz they have further references to sources. Anyway I'll keep your suggestion in mind. TariButtar (talk) 09:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Removal of panthic.org

Hi, I noticed that you've been systematically removing citations to panthic.org in the reference sections of Wikipedia articles. Your edit summary suggests that this is not a reliable source. I don't understand this determination. From what I can see at http://panthic.org/about.php the website appears to be fairly reliable. Was there a discussion on Wikipedia where it was determined that this is an unreliable site? Thanks. -Thibbs (talk) 13:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for you note. I guess I'm just trying to figure out whether panthic.org's putative unreliability is a determination that has been made by the community (perhaps at WP:SIKH) or whether it was something you determined on your own. I'm not versed in matters regarding Sikhism, so I would accept your view in goodfaith, but if no discussion on this topic has yet taken place then I think it might be a good idea to start a thread on the topic at WP:SIKH just to gain a broader community view. The reason for this mainly has to do with the large number of Wikipedia articles that have used this source in the past and which seem to indicate that at least some people have considered it reliable in the past. Does that sound reasonable? -Thibbs (talk) 23:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

It does, but I think you will find it is sometimes difficult to get consensus there. Thanks for the heads upSH 11:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

OK I'll leave it in your hands. Happy editing. -Thibbs (talk) 12:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Rape during operation blue star

Dear user I have noticed you have some interest in article relating the operation blue star et al I am currently working on a article relating to the use of rape as weapon to coy the population into submission during the insurgency in 1984 in Punjab. I will start this work soon during summer (july/august)after my pharmacy exams would you be willing to contribute? I will let you know around that time and send a link to a sandbox if you want. I believe a separate article is required as it is a notable issue one which should not be whitewashed into sub sections. Regards Billy 86.182.173.186 (talk) 14:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I also helped created articles on rape such as rape in jammu and kashmir so I do have some experience in this subject 86.182.173.186 (talk) 14:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Something I am not familiar with but would interest me. Whether it is worthy of a seperate article is questionable. SH 07:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe it could be mentioned in the human rights violations article on operation blue star (if there is one that is) however If I find several sources on the topic and the motives of Indian armed forces and the local population who set out to ethnically cleanse the sikhs I think it should deserve a seperate article I will tinker for a few weeks at the moment and let you know cheers 86.182.173.186 (talk) 09:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Protection of Sikhs during the 1984 anti-Sikh riots

Hello, please consider keeping your insights at POV in article about the section Protection of Sikhs during the 1984 anti-Sikh riots. Thanks -- ɑηsuмaη ^{ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ} 10:39, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, appreciated. If there are any sources available you know, can you cite there ? -- ɑηsuмaη ^{ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ} 17:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Sikh Diet Issue

Sorry, I just saw your message today. Not sure what I could have contributed but the link you left is not directing me to the intended page. The issue of diet is not straight forward in Sikhism. In general meat eating is discouraged. There is a Hukamnama by Guru Tegh Bahadur asking his devotees from east to abstain from fish , meat and intoxicants. I do not have this reference handy but try Pyara Singh Padam's works or some other works which details all the hukamnamas of the Gurus. But to say that Sikhism is totally opposed to meat eating is also wrong. Nihang Sikhs are allowed to eat meat if it has been slaughtered as part of shastar tilak and distributed as "Maha Prasad". Please note even Nihang Sikhs are not allowed to consume meat procured in any other way. They don't buy meat from open market. In general, it looks like indiscriminate killing and meat consumption is discouraged in Sikhism but is sometimes allowed in certain cirumstances, provided it accompanies prayer. In Balay wali Sakhi , Guru Nanak eats meat to teach Pandits in Kurukshetra. But he was a Guru ...to the ordinary Sikhs I believe 9th Guru's hukamnama to Poorbi Sikhs would apply. Not sure you agree with this information or find it useful but I thought it might help assist your search for references. Sorry I do not have any references handy. Thanks.--History Sleuth (talk) 21:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

That Hukamnama you refer to was found to be a fake. Sikhism is a very pragmatic faith, and is not subject to dogmatic practices. These dogmatic practices were the reasons why Sikhism was formed. It was meant to break away from Hindu dogma. I myself am a vegetarian by choice, but abide by the Akal Takht ruling that non-Kutha meat maybe consumed by Amritdhari Sikhs. Thanks SH 15:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Question

Hi while surfing Youtube, i found the following vid and was very disturbed by what it claimed.

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFFQvWc4w4

So, i was wondering. Is Operation Shuddhi Karan a hoax fabricated by Khalistani extremists, or did it in fact occur? You seem to be quite knowledgeable on Sikh history, so i would like to hear from you regarding this. Thanks. Joyson Prabhu ^{Holla at me!} 21:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure whether that video is true and mass rapes occured in order to convert Sikh girls. There certainly are cases of rape during the Delhi pogroms on 1984. I find that very hard to believe and the sources dubious. There is evidence from independent sources of fake encounters instigated by forces under KPS Gill in Punjab. Thanks SH 08:41, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I was pretty sure that its a hoax fabricated to incite communal outrage, but i'm pretty relieved to hear an expert on Sikh history such as yourself confirm it. I did some search on google and all links pointing to the supposed operation were to Khalistani websites. I did a search on google books as well, and nothing came up. Regards, Joyson Prabhu ^{Holla at me!} 09:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

An article for you

Do you fancy sorting out Jassa Singh Ramgarhia? It looks to be quite a mess and may well be within your sphere of interest. - Sitush (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a bash when I get a spare moment. Thanks SH 15:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks. My list of things to do is becoming over-long! - Sitush (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear Brother - Sikh-History, This humble being was trying to update the page on 'Sant Nirankari Mission'. I added some spiritual Ideology and other community services being rendered by the Mission. But your kindself reverted that back. Kindly, if not too difficult, give me your mail ID, so that we can interact. I am based in Chandigarh, India. Love and Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovemankind (talk • contribs) 07:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Regarding 'Sant Nirankari Mission'

Dear Brother - Sikh-History,

This humble being was trying to update the page on 'Sant Nirankari Mission'. I added some spiritual Ideology and other community services being rendered by the Mission. But your kindself reverted that back. Kindly, if not too difficult, give me your mail ID, so that we can interact. I am based in Chandigarh, India.

Love and Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovemankind (talk • contribs) 07:17, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear Brother SH, the page on 'Sant Nirankari Mission' is under contruction. There will be nothing unreferenced eventually. Kindly bear with it, let the task come to a finishing state. Thanks

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Sant Nirankari Mission

SH stop unnecessarily reverting Sant Nirankari Mission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharat42 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

See the discssion page for this. There are multiple issues with your sources. ThanksSH 17:53, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

As aforesaid by 'Lovermankind' at ['Sant Nirankari Mission'] the concerns raised by you are really genuine and will be addressed soon in the next revisions of the article. Merely reverting the valuable content is not a good solution. Provide the author with a scope of improvement and let him come up with a refined version of his article. I think your are satisfied with my reply and have faith in me. Thanks for your support. Jaspreet Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharat42 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear Matthew and SH – Earnestly speaking, the idea was only to add to the existing page, may be in the shape of ‘spiritual ideology’ or ‘history which was missing, or community service which was untouched. I agree with both of you, that due to lack of familiarity with ‘WIKI policies’, some deviations might have crept in, but that can always be improved with your support, as long as the intentions are good. Being senior members, your support can always go a long way.

And one more submission, that Bharat42 and myself are not same, and there is absolutely no intention to do anything tnat is not constructive. I hope you will take my words. Thanks and Regards. --LoveMankind talk 09:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Sant Nirankari Mission#Improve this article

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Sant Nirankari Mission#Improve this article. Peaceray (talk) 20:24, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Possible vandalism

You might like to take a look at Special:Contributions/76.68.6.13. I've reverted some obvious vandalism, but I'm not in a position to evaluate all edits from that source . Lavateraguy (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Kaliram Dahiya

How can I provide sources about the man who is not very famous but has made immense contribution to the society? You must be knowing that many Revolutionary Freedom Fighters of erstwhile Punjab region were not given any recognition by the Indian Government. Kaliram is one of them. He and his brothers are very famous in Sonepat region. There are 2 temples in that region for these 3 brothers. I am in contact with Shishram's Great Grandson and he is providing me the correct information. I had even given references of his website but you removed it. I want to know when you have no knowledge about Kaliram then how can you edit his section? He died in 1946 but you again reverted it back to 1944. I have his picture in Indian Army Dress but I can't upload it because my account is not 90 days old. Tell me what should I do? How will India know about the people who died for them? They were just like Bhagat Singh and they are being treated in this way. Bhagat Singh and all revolutionaries died in vain. Today for even writing about them we need to take permission from others. This is hypocrisy. Please look into this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thejatboy (talk • contribs) 17:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sikh-history, I've been looking at Kaliram Dahiya as well. Unfortunately I think that the article will ultimately have to be deleted for lack of notability, since it seems as if there are no reliable sources for it... but concerning Dahiya's year of death, I suspect that 1944 was a typo by the article's creator and that 1946 is the correct year, based on the fact that he was supposedly killed in the Pune Harbour mutiny, which from what I understand was part of the Royal Indian Navy mutiny. Note, however, that my knowledge of Indian history is not very good, and I base this only on the Wikipedia article about the RIN mutiny (which obviously isn't a reliable source either :-) ) Since it is the article's creator who has changed the year of death to 1946, and since there are no sources for either year, I would lean towards changing it, pending sourcing or a deletion discussion. But you are much more of an expert on this subject than I am, and I defer to your knowledge here. All the best, --bonadea contributions talk 09:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

PVC Hoshiar Singh

I am from family of PVC Hoshiar Singh Dahiya. He retired as a Brigadier which can proved if you search on google. The information given on Wikipedia was incorrect and when I changed it, it was reverted by you. On wikipedia it is given that he retired as Colonel which is not true. And any changes that I make to the articles are being reverted. This is totally misuse of the power. Please correct the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thejatboy (talk • contribs) 17:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Code of Conduct Translation.

Sikh Rehat Maryada, Sikh Rahit Marayada, Sikh Reht Maryada.

Rehat and Rahit are Arabic, Hindu and others people names, where as Reht is not. Are you telling us that the Code of Conduct was named after a person, or is it Reht the right translation, if you go on to the SGPC web site they only use the one translation "Reht". Needs to be clear about it, if it is named after a person then sticking to Rehat or Rahit would be ok, but if it is not then Reht should only be used. It will save on world confussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.105.220.66 (talk) 15:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Ranjit Singh

I have protected this page as you appear to be engaged in an edit war with another editor. Please discuss the merits of your argument on the talk page, then ask an administrator to make appropriate changes to the article as decided by consensus. I make no judgement on the validity of your arguments but please do discuss them rather than reverting the changes with minimal discussion. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 17:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I see you've suggested mediation - good idea! Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 17:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

What are you telling me by leaving this [3] on my talk page?--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 00:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

God in Sikhism

I noticed that user Singhprince is adding some unverified content to the article God in Sikhism. This user is trying to blend some other things with Sikhism. Thanks Theman244 (talk) 23:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI

I reported you at [4].--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 16:19, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

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Guru Nanak Dev

Hi, I think last paragraph in the article (Guru Nanak in Shikarpur?) should be removed because there is source to verify it. The other reason being when you read the whole paragraph, last three lines had nothing to do with life of Guru Nanak. Thanks Theman244 (talk) 23:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Jat vs Jatt

Hello my friend, I've queried spellings at Talk:Jatt Sikh. I vaguely recall some debate about this somewhere before but cannot find it. Can you explain things there? - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

VERY little information is out there about the difference between Jat and Jatt, but Jat is a tribe and Jatt is caste, they are two different people from complete different backgrounds, status and lineage. Jatt are all Sikhs, and Jat can be (Hindu, Sikh, or Muslim). Castes like Chamar and other daljit castes are from the tribe. This article combines info of Jat and Jatts, which is incorrect, and for some reason the word is used interchangeably. This is why some daljits call themselves Jat and Jatt call them fakes, because neither know the history, due to status and popularity within the caste system, Jatts make notice of their caste and the word Jatt over Jat is more popular and known. Basically the daljit take pride in the Jat word because of the caste system favoring upper caste but what they dont know is that all the favoring is for the Jatts not Jat. Same for Jatts that mention fakes changing their names, when they dont know the word Jat exists and its different from Jatt. The Jatts were said to be from foreign invaders, just like many other Sikh clans, that were settling on the land, and so were laborers at the same time from central India, known as Jat, but were originally called Sudras. The Jatts play no role in the Hindu caste system because they emerged from outside forces, but their status is as high as Brahmin from years of rebuilding and fighting clans that took control of that region by force. Almost all the foreign invaders with DNA testing showed they adopted Sikhism as a whole, some Sikh clans had no history in India and only emerged after the foreigners entering India from the rise of the European Empire and conquest to look for resources and money, Why Sikhism? because their main competitors were Hindus and Muslims (major religions and numbers at the time), the Sikhs were a small percentage but the most combatant with connections to political and land connections due to caste status, and kept building in this pattern, little by little, come in and stabilized with other Sikhs and got what they wanted. These are ancient CLAN invasions (unnoticed) not the recent Aryan or the British EMPIRE invasion (more numbers), but the ones that discovered India but didn't have resources or financial stability. The only route for the invaders to go if they wanted to be against and obtain sources from Hindus and Muslims . The Aryans on the other hand were the only to spread everywhere and with anyone in south Asia because they were the largest group that came as a whole and financial stability to spread. British lineage is found among Anglo Indians near Goa, South and Central India. Rest is unknown because first India never kept records, for example, the Pakistan region was once all ancient Buddhist, Hindu and Sikhs, that migrated to modern day Indian cities due to violence and economic reasons, but no records or borders at the time. Nor did India keep records of people going to that region for land once non-Muslims left. Another example, almost majority of the British invasion history is found in primarily in North India, when smaller clans in more numbers came through south India ports and some say China as well to minimize competition with royals coming through middle east (this is just British not all of Europeans that came along, and not the ancient European clans in Sikh history), and this is the reason why most Anglo-British DNA is in central southern India. So the geographical history has no role, especially in south Asia that had the most switching of people, because India's migration was never properly tracked and still isn't. Anglo has only studying done with mainly the British, the rest of Europe that came along are not really considered Anglo and forgotten (once again not the same ancient Europe clans in Sikh history. The Jat tribe of Gujrat are among the small few that kept their Jat tribe culture and history but just one extension of the many.

Ahluwalia

Could you help re-write the lead sentence? What exactly is "Ahluwalia" - is it a language? a clan? a caste? a slang insult?

That definition / description should be clearly stated in the first sentence, and then the fact that it is derived from a person's name can follow to give context. Thanks! -- The Red Pen of Doom 21:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

thank you for cleaning up the lead!

Wikipedia values the "anyone can edit" philosophy and so is hesitant to lockdown articles except for persistent or egregious vandalism. I am not familiar with "jat"- is that on the level of "nigger" or "faggot" level of hateful slurs or are these edits more of plain unsourced misinformation? If it is the latter, then a few edits over a few days doesnt generally meet the threshold.

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if all of the edits are coming from a single IP, then make sure you are giving them a series of escalating warnings (see the templates here Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace) and if they ignore the final warning, you can go to WP:AVI. -- The Red Pen of Doom 16:11, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks. with todays recent double inclusion (even with "jat" not falling into the "patently offensive" category), the actions are now falling into the "long term persistent and from multiple IPs who are failing to make any effort to discuss" category. If there are any additional issues within the next few days, I would certainly report it to the RPP and request semi protection, probably for a couple of months. -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sitush pointed out that Caste articles are subject to special treatment under WP:GS/Caste and probably would have qualified earlier. And since the nonsense continues, I have submitted a request for protection, which, given the amount of disruption over the past week, I think any article should qualify. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Guru Hargobind Photo Issue

I want to know how you can said that the photo which is attached in Guru Hargobind Article is right if Yes! let me know where you find this image. ( VPS 18:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC) )

Guru Har Krishan Phtoto Issue

The photo not described who is Guru Har Krishan, how people know that who is "Guru Har Krishan" that's why I removed the image and will upload the new image of Guru Har Krishan Ji image.Let me know your thoughts. ( VPS 18:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC) )

Shine.com Issue

Shine.com is an top Indian Job portal nd a subsidiary of HT Media, I also give relevant references to this article and also going to improve this page.Let me know your thoughts. ( VPS 18:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC) )

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shine.com

The reason for deleting this article is missing from this Articles for deletion discussion that you started. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I have not delete any dissociation, please let me know how can I improve this article.(VPS 02:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloggersingh (talk • contribs)

Satguru Hari Singh and Partap Singh

Generally, when a Wikipedia article contains copy and pasted content from a website, you should tag it as G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, using {{db-G12|url=}}. Although I believe the author may be affiliated with that website, it's better to be safe and delete it. Cheers! SwisterTwister talk 21:21, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Shri Guru Arjan Dev Ji Photo Issue

Hi I want to tell you that the photo is placed in Guru Arjan Dev Article is not a correct photo.Please change the photo.Let me know your thoughts.(VPS 13:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloggersingh (talk • contribs)

Removal of Content from Labana Page

As you reverted the page, with comments Reverted to revision 521543548 by Sikh-history: thats not a valid reference.

Could you please provide the list of valid references which should be used for this article and invalid references too or any other mistake while updating?

With Regards (To.harpreet (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC))

Discuss before vandalising JAT PEOPLE page

Akashasr (talk) 16:49, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Akashasr had already received a 3RR warning just before that edit, then when they did the thing I took them to WP:AN3, which is why they are blocked at the moment. I just didn't revert the edit itself because I didn't want to put myself on the edge of a breach.

Anyway, their 24 hour block is now 72 hours because I caught them evading with an IP address. They'll probably try it again now that you have reverted them but, of course, what you've done is correct. - Sitush (talk) 09:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Star Trek

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Response to your message on my Talk page

Mr Sikh history, you are the one with an agenda and trying to WP:Game]. You do not have a wp:npov and I strongly suspect you belong to this caste and do not want to acknowledge that you are a Chamar. I also am an expert on Caste and will also expand on this article. Unlike you, my sources do not include 120 year old books written by British authors. TimesGerman (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Ramdasia

Sorry, I didn't spot the under construction tag - I'll leave off it for a while. - Sitush (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Labana

• Why Labana article is reverted where most of quotes are from different books which are mentioned in references, with pages too.
• Secondly you are Sikh history not Labana history and you are authorize to touch Lubana sikh only.
• Labana will have history of Labanas (Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs) and have their background...... but you are reverting blindly without giving any reason. May i know the reason why? (To.harpreet (talk) 02:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC))

Email

I was going to email you in response to your comment on 1 April at my talk page but I now find that you do not have email enabled. No worries, just please don't sulk. I do think very highly of your contributions, your knowledge and your adherence to the principles of Wikipedia. There was something going on at that time which made it preferable for me to treat both parties as equally right and equally wrong. It would have been easy to use my knowledge of you in order to push something one way or another and very probably that would have been a push in the right direction, but sometimes it seems better to discount such stuff when dealing with SPAs. Perhaps I made a bad call on this occasion but it was with good intentions. - Sitush (talk) 15:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Labana

In response to your comment:

Where are the references?Not one proper reference has been provided. ThanksSH 07:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

What is YOUR proper references? Do you need page and line number of everything? Many references are quite clear which even you have not considered, even one book whose page number i have not mentioned, i can bring before you :
#Mahankosh, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha, Page 949, (What proper you want in it)
#Sakhi 72, Bhai Bala Janamsakhi (What proper you want in it)
#cite book|last=The Indian Encyclopaedia|first=|title=The Indian Encyclopaedia|accessdate=2002|publisher=Genesis Publishing Pvt Ltd,|isbn=|page=629 (What proper you want in it)
# cite book|last= History Of The Later Harappans And Silpakara Movement|first=|title=History Of The Later Harappans And Silpakara Movement|accessdate=October 2010|publisher=Gyan Publishing House|isbn=|page=26 (What proper you want in it)
So what i need is your viewpoint what are proper references in your terms. As you are looking and old editor, does not mean that article is yours or i am new or have knowledge about this community does not mean article is mine. i have many facts but i just mention academics and scholarly facts only. So please enlighten me what are proper references, so that i can update accordingly? Don't just throw wiki link and run away because you may do the same thing again. Regards To.harpreet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.110.241.230 (talk) 08:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Guru Nanak

Good day Sikh History, it'd be appreciated if you chipped in here. Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk page etiquette

Just a couple of minor things from Talk:Khan Noonien Singh. You shouldn't edit your own comments when someone's replied to them, because it creates a false history of the conversation - even something as minor as bolding a word can make it look like the responding editor chose to ignore your emphasis, which isn't entirely fair. There's also no need to outdent a thread that only has one or two levels of indentation, and doing so risks be mistaken for aggression (in that you're positioning yourself as being "in charge" of the conversation and other editors are merely there to answer you). I realise you're mostly doing it when you want to use a bulleted list, so if you're merely unsure how to indent that, you just put the appropriate number of colons before the hash or asterisk. --McGeddon (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok fair enough. I had made spelling and grammar mistakes and wanted to highlight areas where I thought the two fellow editors had missed points. Thanks SH 19:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure, all taken in good faith. Fixing a little spelling is fine if nobody's reacted to the typo, but I trust you can appreciate that going back and emphasising missed points isn't really fair to the editors who missed them - just follow it up with a new comment explaining what they missed. --McGeddon (talk) 19:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I thought it best to highlight my apology incase David an the Anon IP missed it. I didn't mean anything. Thanks SH 19:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Anti-Sikh Pogroms

You should have a chat with user Darknesshines [5] (hes edited about pogroms before) he has allot of sources which refer the massacres of sikhs as pogroms so when he gets unblocked drop him a message he can help you 86.151.237.220 (talk) 14:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Why did you revert my information

i gave all the sources i used from various authors and researchers. I added only three sentences without deleting any of your information and you basically reverted it for no reason without paying any attention or reading the sources or the information i bet. I guess everything goes your way and people cant even edit information, the pages are designed for editing from various sources. Why should people rely on your article, that uses one source through out the whole article, that was basically written by you. Seems unfair don't you think? Read my sources and reconsidered my edit, because their accurate, while your source is from a author rather than a reputable source. This is why Wikipedia is not a reliable sources, it all depends on who's on the internet first and who's first to revert information and goes their way. I guess all those years i spent in Asian Anthropology for 8 years have no place here HUH. I know a lot more about the Asia, not just Sikhs but much more, your knowledge is of Sikh history only and i dont know from where you attained the knowledge. I will revert it back or revise it if you want me to, after you reply and tell me why you reverted it, for the Tarkhan clan, did you realize how inaccurate and biased your information was? and i gave a long detailed reason for my edit also.Nursingxmajor (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Sikh-history

Dear Sikh-history,

I have a concern because I do not remember making these edits, and I thank you for reverting them. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akhand_Kirtani_Jatha&diff=562846773&oldid=562258277

Those are neither the sort of edits I would make nor do they have a damn thing to do with my edit subject. I am very concerned about this and I'm going to check other edits to see if I have been hacked or otherwise compromised.

Ogress _smash!

Damdami Taksal Rehat Maryada

Hey SH

You previously stated the Damdami Taksal Rehat Maryada was not a reliable source of information on the Damdami Taksal beliefs section. I understand that self published material may not be the best for historical information but for information like the companies ideologies, companies code of conduct, companies goals, companies theories, the statements the company has written define the companies perspective from a direct first person view thus is always the most authentic source in this sense; in this same way this document is a primary source it is also one of prime importance in overall Sikh history as this Rehat Maryada (Damdami Taksal Gurmat Rehat Maryada) was the official Rehat Maryada for Akal Takht for 9 years, until the mid 90's. The document I aim to summarize in a non copyrighted manner to show a quick synopsis of the beliefs of the Taksal from their own words.

I purpose to rewrite a little briefer than last time, in my own words, and add a citation from which page it comes from on each line, and also include other sources as well where possible.. If you can agree that the english translation of the Damdami Taksal Rehat Maryada published by the Damdami Taksal is a good source for the beliefs section I will begin working on it promptly. Thanks Jujhar.pannu (talk) 00:15, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Nope sorry have to disagree. The rules on WP:Reliable are very clear here. Sikhism is dogged like other religions with religious people full of their own importance. I am only interested in sources from intellectulas who have objectively researched information. You can't change the rules to suit yourself. You are on a final warning so I suggest to look at the wikipedia rules again. Thanks SH 09:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

The WP:Reliable in Sources under 'Context matters' in the 'Overview' states sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article.

The main thing about WP:Reliable is "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered" That means that the complete picture should be presented rather than none. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 03:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

No it doesn't. It means that you shouldn't use WP:Fringe theories. ThanksSH 06:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok so lets see our points of compromise.. Other sources such as books with ISBN numbers numbers are okay to illustrate the beliefs of the Damdami Taksal for you? Is it cool if I use some of those books and write some of their beliefs into the beliefs section??

I'm all for compromise, but you must learn to source better material. You are falling into the google reference search trap. That is not a good way of finding references. As a lecturer on Sikh History I suppose I have an advantage in that I read many books. You must do the same. SH 07:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I read many books man.. The last reversion on Damdami Taksal was of an old edit that you'll missed, and Dianna didnt seem to delete it then when she edited the page so I didnt touch it because I thought it was okay with both you and her. I wish you best in your Sikh lectures, professor. Take care Jujhar.pannu (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Sikh Brahmins

Please could you comment at WT:INB#Brahmin variants, at least regarding Sikh Brahmins. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Humble request regarding Diet in Sikhism article.

Hi. It seems that you have put in extensive effort developing this article would you mind putting in a tiny bit more.

The line which references the following link:

but Sikhs are not bound to be meat-free. The general consensus is that Sikhs are free to choose whether to adopt a meat diet or not.

The problem here is that none of the two things mentioned by the line above appear on that article. There is nothing meat related on that referenced Spgc.net page except a brief mention of transgressions (tabooed practices) must be avoided where it says “Eating the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way;” There is nothing else. There is no mention of a general consensus or anything else implied by that line. Could you please add references or fix this however you find rightful. I apologize for any ill feelings from my part. I hope one day we can work together without any problems. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 11:55, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Concerning Operation Bluestar

I made two changes to the Operation Bluestar page. The first one was that I replaced "Khalsa" with "Sikh extremists" in the Belligerents infobox. The Khalsa is defined as "The Khalsa (Punjabi: ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ; [xaːlsaː]) is the collective body of all initiated Sikhs represented by the five beloved-ones and can be called the Guru Panth" OR " Sikhs which have undergone the sacred Amrit Ceremony initiated by the 10th Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh". It is strictly religious. Placing "Khalsa" in the belligerents section from Operation Bluestar is analogous to placing "Muslims" in the belligerents box for the war in afghanistan. I replaced it with Sikh militants, because that's what they were. They were not the "Khalsa". They were Sikh, and they were militants. "Khalsa" is an vague generalization, and may potentially create a negative impression of Sikhs

Secondly, I removed "high civilian casualties" and "Sikh fighters killed in military assault on temple complex" in the "results" section of the main infobox. Civilian casualties and the death of belligerents is ubiquitous in virtually every war/battle. It need not be included in the "results".

"Indian tactical victory" was added in that section, also. It's unclear who won the conflict in the prior revision. JDiala (talk) 03:54, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok fair enough. Thanks SH 07:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I dont agree with the definition of the Khalsa cited above... the Khalsa is not only 'religious'.. it is the political expression of the Sikh nation.. So, when you can place Belligerants "Taliban" versus "NATO".. there is no problem in placing the same here.. The Khalsa has been a belligerant for the Mughal and British Empires... The Sikh Army was called as the Khalsa.. refer www.Britishbattles.com the Sikh wars... So, Khalsa is a collective body and not an individual.. A Sikh (baptised) is a member of the Khalsa.. So, it is not appropriate in that sense as cited above.. Thanks All accounts taken (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Mortal

The user-icon (or whatever it is called) "This user is mortal" touched me. It shows wisdom - of the humble kind, not the self-aggrandising kind. Friendly regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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