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No

No, no, no, no, no, no, no! Adoring nanny (talk) 12:32, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

ok Shrike (talk) 12:49, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Why did you strike out my comment?

Why is there a 500 edit threshold that determines whether one can participate or not? Maqdisi117 (talk) 01:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Do you think that doesnt apply at Price tag policy? nableezy - 23:36, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Please show me the two reverts and what version the revert was? --Shrike (talk) 23:47, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

labeled a revert, and restoring partially what was removed here, the bit on retribution against Palestinian violence. nableezy - 01:28, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you but the second edit was not a revert as I did introduce a new material and didn't change anything. I will change the word violence as it repeated in both edits. --Shrike (talk) 06:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Removal of material from Douglas Murray page

Why did you remove large chunks of sources related to the Douglas Murray page? Only one of the sources you removed - the MEE op-ed - has been seriously contested, but you removed the entire block of sources. In particular, I'm curious as to how you you justify the removal of Ian Almond's review of The Strange Death of Europe. There is extensive discussion of sources on the talk page - please refer to the talk page if you have input about what material should and should not be included Noteduck (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Notification

I mentioned you at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. 11Fox11 (talk) 08:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic in the State of Palestine

Per this diff, you deleted an attributed quote from Amnesty (forming part of the disputed sources section and you replaced it with an unattributed source while giving a false edit summary "Trimming amnesty..." (you did not trim it you deleted it altogether). This is unhelpful editing and I request that you not do it again. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Selfstudier, This is not false edit summary I have left amnesty view and brought a secondary source that gives it a proper context so I reject you false accusation don't do it again. Thanks Shrike (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

spi

That isn't the place for the defense of an ally. If you have something to say about the evidence then say that. We are all supposed to be opposed to sockpuppetry, we aren't supposed to be obfuscating and hand waving because we see it as to our advantage. You should be aware of just how poorly you look when make the type of comments that you make there. nableezy - 17:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The Nocal case is special he and his socks made many edits so we can take any random user that interested in I/P area and we will had intersection with him and I am pretty sure that the kingfisher is not only false positive here-Shrike (talk) 17:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

You can be as sure as you want to be, and sure fine make comments about the evidence. That is not what you are doing for the most part. nableezy - 17:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Radio Bío-Bío

From your edit summary on Israel and the apartheid analogy that reads "Undid revision 1000782073 by Dentren (talk) Undue here no major WP:NEWSORG report it" [1], I would like to know how does it happen that you don't consider Radio Bío-Bío to be an adequate source according to WP:NEWSORG. Dentren | ^Talk 23:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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Archiving accident

Hi, we are cleaning up some bot errors in archiving. Your user talk page has been affected as well: Some content was moved iteratively to User talk:Shrike/Archives/2014/March/Archives/2014/March/Archives/2014/March/Archives/2014/March/Archives/2014/April/Archives/2014/April/Archives/2014/April/Archives/2014/April/Archives/2014/April/Archives/2014/April/Archives/2014/April/Archives/2014/April. I can clean that up if you like, or you can clean it up, or you can keep it of course - up to you. --mfb (talk) 07:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Mfb, I will appreciate if you do the cleaning .Thanks in advance Shrike (talk) 10:00, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

The extra archives should be gone soon. The old discussions are in a mixture of two archiving styles, I don't know how to link both in the same box, I added an example here how to have the older archives on the talk page. --mfb (talk) 12:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

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I don't think you can give a logged warning as the DS alert has expired at 10/02[2].Though new alert was given it was after the warning. Correct me if I wrong --Shrike (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Shrike, though I didn't pick up on that, I am not inclined to rescind it on these procedural grounds at this time. In a recent ARBPIA WP:ARCA, various Committee members stressed that common sense ought to be applied to WP:AWARE (among regular contributors), so I've been taking my cue from that in a number of cases already, and aim to do so here, as well. [Sorry, couldn't immediately find that discussion —not sure how to search ARCA, is the problem— but I'll try to locate it sometime later.] El_C 22:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, found it easily in the end by way of AE. I still wish there was a way to search ARCA though (or for it to have archives, at least). Anyway, here it is: Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_4#Clarification_request:_Palestine-Israel_articles_4_(June_2020). El_C 22:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I just realized (by looking at above address again) that it was attached to WP:ARBPIA4 — silly me! El_C 01:07, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

El C, I think you link talking in opposite direction i.e if you user not aware enough that don't levy sanctions on him not other way around. I may open an ARCA about that Shrike (talk) 06:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Shrike, the user has yet to be sanctioned as far as WP:AWARE is concerned, anyway. That is not a sanction, it's a logged warning. El_C 06:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Shrike, upon reflection, I've taken this to ARCA myself, please see: WP:ARCA#WP:AWARE and logged warnings (and topic area regulars). Regards, El_C 19:29, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, Shrike. I wanted to ask you if you think that we need to submit a Request for Comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine/Books#Palestine (region) = Historical Land of Israel, or perhaps let the title stay as it is? Am I wrong in thinking that there should be a broader designation?Davidbena (talk) 23:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Davidbena, I agree with you there are ambiguity between state and region I am not sure what the best way to handle it Shrike (talk) 08:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

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Restoring material that has been reverted by multiple editors and when there is an ongoing discussion on the article talk page is disruptive editing.Selfstudier (talk) 13:09, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Selfstudier, Removing sourced information restored by multiple editors is disruptive editing. Shrike (talk) 13:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

ONUS, read it.Selfstudier (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

You don't seem to be such a big fan of ONUS when it doesn't suit you, Selfstudier- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An-Nakba&type=revision&diff=1015952119&oldid=1015925206. Please stop being disruptive. Kenosha Forever (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kenosha Forever:If you wish to level unfounded accusations, kindly do so at my talk page rather than using that of another editor. Thank you.Selfstudier (talk) 15:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

My accusations are very well founded, and this specific one was supported with a link, above, for an edit you made today. I could easily produce half a dozen other examples where you ignored WP:ONUS when it suited you. Stop being disruptive and take a close look at the double standards you are applying. Kenosha Forever (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

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Comments struck out of conversation on Israel report - edit conflict

When you were striking out my comments, you reverted to an older version, which had a few flaws and I managed to correct them before your striking my comments out. I would kindly ask youto return my comment to the state as presented here. Thank you.

I also doubt that the provisions mentioned in rules 4a-b apply here, since it's neither an article (so it fails 4a on the letter of law) nor a talk page or discussion that by definition relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, nor did the edit proposed by OP relate to the article subject to forced arbitration on Israel-Palestinian relations (so blocking based on 4b is very dubious at best). You can also see that WP:RSN is one of my main area of edits, so I treated the request to assess the reliability of the resource as business as usual, using my best judgment.

I ask you to have my comments unstruck. I pledge not to participate in the discussion on the matter of the report; I only want my voice to be counted as part of discussion and arguments used without restraint.

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Szmenderowiecki, Its related content. The report is clearly about the conflict the added part is too. If you not sure you can ask at WP:AN or WP:AE.If you open such discussion please notify me Shrike (talk) 15:34, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Shrike, I have put the question on WP:ANI noticeboard. WP:AN did not seem to be the appropriate venue, as the situation is not general but rather a very specific problem to be resolved. The ANI notice is here. Regards, Szmenderowiecki (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC).

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Resulted in the following: "As a result of the violence, at least 248 Palestinians including 66 children.[12] and 13 in Israel,[5] including one child." Which isn't English, so could you fix that, please.Selfstudier (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Sarabnas, Ok I completed your survey Shrike (talk) 14:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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I have received your messages although they for some reason do not show up on my talk page. I understand your criticism of my behaviour and I only want your assistance in solving the revert war that I have been involved with. I have now made a new attempt in breaking out of the circle.

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User:Jokkmokks-Goran please read WP:DR --Shrike (talk) 04:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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Removing a book published by the University of California Press under the guise of removing a depreciated source is tendentious. Kindly do not make such sneaky edits in the future or they may be reported to arbitration enforcement. nableezy - 13:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

It was WP:AGF mistake. I will try to be more careful in the future Shrike (talk) 15:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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I replied on my talk page using the beta reply function, but didn't ping you. Did you get notified? Doug Weller talk 14:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

When you say you found it, do you mean User:Bellezzasolo/Scripts/arb.js? And looking at the talk page, I'm wondering if I need to update mine. For instance, it doesn't add the Covid DS. Doug Weller talk 15:23, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I actually enabled Wikipedia:User_scripts#Automatic_installation and then the install button appeared Shrike (talk) 15:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The covid appears in GS list Shrike (talk) 15:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I'll uninstall it and reinstall it. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Editing restriction?

Hi Shrike—could you explain your intent with this diff telling an editor Also please note that you not allowed to edit content regarding the I/P conflict after giving them a DS notice? The editor is not listed at WP:Editing restrictions, so I'm confused as to why you'd tell them they're not allowed to edit content relating the conflict. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Sdkb it's a reference to the 500/30 restriction for ARBPIA content. nableezy - 23:01, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nableezy, ah, thanks for clarifying. In the future, it'd be good if there was some page we could link to or something we could do to make notices like that easier to understand (including the fact that they only apply until an editor reaches the 500/30 mark) and less bitey. If I, at 75k edits, wasn't aware of that restriction, it'd be insanity to expect that a newcomer with 195 edits would be. Or really that any new editor would know that they're not allowed to edit some page because it's in a given topic area and got overlooked by whoever applied page protections to the topic area. I know that there's been efforts to reform DS, and seeing this convinces me that they can't possibly come soon enough. Constructive newcomers ought to be receiving {{ENB}} stars, not scary warnings and vague allusions to confusing restrictions. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:37, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

The details of editing restrictions are in the page linked in the DS notice. It would be better if the DS notice itself mentioned the major restrictions, but the problem is that the DS notice is a general purpose template for all DSs and there is no way (I think) of adding extra text to it. That's why Shrike mentioned 500/30 separately, but to avoid the confusion it would be better to say more clearly that 500/30 is one of the standard ARBPIA restrictions and not an extra restriction on that particular editor. Zero^talk 00:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree that I should have been more clearer. I prefer that would be standard template for this Shrike (talk) 05:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually there is a way. Try this:

{{subst:alert|a-i|2=<br/>In particular, please note that 30 days tenure and 500 edits are required before you can edit article content and formal community processes such as [[RfC]]s and noticeboard discussions related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. This does not apply to informal discussion on article talk pages.}}

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You appear content with the use of ADL at Israel and the apartheid analogy for the statement "The Anti-Defamation League rejected the report by saying "Amnesty International's allegations that Israel's crimes go back to the sin of its creation in 1948, serve to present the Jewish and democratic state as singularly illegitimate at its foundational roots." Then at the Israel article, you assert twice that Amnesty is a "questionable" source even though ADL is a relative nonentity comparatively speaking. For my interest, how do you reconcile these two views? Selfstudier (talk) 12:11, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Did ADL was accused of Racism by any State? Did it reports was rejected by US and Germany? Shrike (talk) 12:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

As I thought, you cannot.Selfstudier (talk) 12:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

As I thought you have nothing to answer Shrike (talk) 14:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Continued a-I violations despite an alert

[3] Doug Weller talk 12:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi what are you proposing to do? You an admin if you think its time for sanctions I agree with you. Shrike (talk) 12:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Why did you revert me at “genetic studies on jews” ?

Why did you revert me ?

Basically my addition had something wrong, those who claimed that it doesn’t follow the undue weight policy also ignored that this is not even a point of view rather than a challenge

This study do have a significance in the article, why did you remove it ? Tezak habra 2 (talk) 18:43, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Pogrom

I'm trying to find who added this. I've given alerts, told the 3 editors they can't edit it, I think I'll semi-protect. Doug Weller talk 07:38, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah, another new editor. Hopefully this will stop now unless someone who can edit in the area adds it again. Doug Weller talk 07:41, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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