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I have a feeling you might like these

I have created two new articles which I think you might be interested in reading: Sailortown, Belfast and 1907 Belfast Dock strike.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Ballyneety, County Limerick

I see this article was removed. Anyone know why? Sarah777 (talk) 18:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Seems a hoaxer added some content. Don't know how developed or established the article was. Perhaps contact the deleting ed? I'd be curious myself and happy to help out with clean-up if restored. Just left a note. RashersTierney (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I had no input (that I recall) to this article, but as the village clearly exists I can't understand why the article would be removed. Mostly articles vandalised are simply cleaned up! Sarah777 (talk) 19:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

It was deleted by user:Geni with the reasoning "G3: Blatant hoax: at least some of the article is a hoax while the author continues to claim that it is all true. Can't trust so delete". An example edit summary from shortly before deletion was, "regardless of whether that reference exists, it cannot have mentioned "Jedward"" by user:DragonflySixtyseven, the reference in question being to a May 1985 edition of the Limerick Chronicle.

Personally I would have stubbed it to just the basic geographical facts, but there may be something else I'm not seeing - I suggest asking Geni on his talk page. In case it's any help, almost all the references were to "Thomas Toomey & Harry Greensmyth, An Antique and Storied Land: A History of the Parish of Donoughmore, Knockea, Roxborough, Co. Limerick and its Environs (Limerick, 1991)". Certainly in the revisions I've looked at, there were not online references making verification harder. Thryduulf (talk) 19:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Seems the article was a mess from the beginning. Care to kick it off again? I'll chip in where I can. RashersTierney (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

OK - but I'll have to find out something about first - I don't recall ever being there. I've heard of it and seen it on Google maps. It makes tiny look huge! Sarah777 (talk) 09:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

As if life wasn't complicated enough, this turns up. Presumably its the one with the Sarsfield connection? RashersTierney (talk) 10:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

According to An Post, Ballyneety is on the R512 road between Limerick and Bruff. A post office was opened there between 1852 and 1857 and still exists today. It is also listed in my Gazetteer of Ireland published by the Placenames Branch of the Ordnance Survey in 1989, ISBN=0-7076-0076-6, where the Irish name is given as Baile an Fhaoitigh. No second place of the same name is given in any of 3 references I have. This image is hosted on the commons. The Sarsfield connection appears entirely correct [1]. Cheers folks. ww2censor (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The R512 article is even skimpier than the Ballyneety article was ;) Sarah777 (talk) 13:24, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

. . . and you can still read the original Ballyneety article here[2], if your quick! -- Bill Reid | (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Ballyneety data

I noticed this chat about Ballyneety last week and did some very preliminary looking around to see what I could dig up. I had to find out which Ballyneety was under discussion because there are a number of them, in Counties Limerick, Mayo, Tipperary, and Waterford. There are five Ballyneetys in County Limerick alone. The table below summarises what I found out before I understood that the Ballyneety under discussion was the first in the table. I will put the table here for want of a better place as the data in the first row can be incorporated into a re-created Ballyneety article, and maybe a one-liner could be inserted mentioning that there are other Ballyneetys around.

Ballyneetys of County Limerick

Townland	Acres	Parish	Barony	Latitude and longitude	OS Map	Placenames Database
Ballyneety	94	Cahernarry	Clanwilliam	52.596977,-8.548246	R6350	http://www.logainm.ie/31202.aspx
Ballyneety	295	Kilbradran	Shanid	52.536319,-9.055234	R2847343064	http://www.logainm.ie/32181.aspx
Ballyneety	106	Oola	Coonagh	52.51327,-8.315382	R7877640364	http://www.logainm.ie/32472.aspx
Ballyneety North	164	Templebredon	Coonagh	52.519185,-8.326414	R7784640789	http://www.logainm.ie/32482.aspx
Ballyneety South	229	Templebredon	Coonagh	52.514314,-8.334493	R7790140161	http://www.logainm.ie/32483.aspx

The only odd things I noticed in that copy of the old article at Ask.com found by Bill Reid, above, is that it says the village is twinned with Chorlton-cum-Hardy, which sounds like someone is having a chortle, but it could possibly be true, and the reference to the Winnie Mandela Memorial Water Pump, has the stink of satire off it, but since the people of Ireland voted for Dustin the Turkey to represent our proud and ancient nation internationally, anything at all can be true in Ireland, even if it sounds dodgy, because our subversive spirits are quick to embrace surrealism and make it official. The citation to support the Mandela hand pump could be fiction. I would omit these two claims from a new Ballyneety article. — O'Dea (talk) 15:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Ballyneety water pump

The green and yellow water pump shown in the Wikicommons picture actually exists. I found it in Google Street View. It is on a minor side road heading west from the R512 road, in the direction of Kelleher's Cross. The pump is under a tree on the side street beside the yellow police station. Here are two screeshots from Google Street View: picture 1, picture 2. I fucking love Street View. — O'Dea (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Aaaaaagh!!

Automated and impersonal theft by kleptobots are a pox and a chancre and a buboe on the human heart. — O'Dea (talk) 15:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of River Avonmore for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article River Avonmore is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/River Avonmore until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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Hey - why not delete it. Sure 'tis only a River in Ireland. And we know what that counts for on Wiki - with the avid support of the remaining (non-banned) Irish Wikipedians!

Delete it. Sarah777 (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

	Season's greetings!
	I hope the holiday season is relaxing and fulfilling, and that 2012 will be fruitful for you. --John (talk) 00:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks John. It will (touch wood) be happy and fruitful! But looking at this latest bizare proposal to delete an article I created, River Avonmore, I doubt this place will be much a part of said happiness and fruitfulness. Very best to you in the New Year - thanks for everything Sarah777 (talk) 19:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hah, don't worry about that, some newbie with a bee in their bonnet. We don't delete articles like this unless they are hoaxes, which this one clearly is not. --John (talk) 19:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

That time of year again Sarah. Have a good new one. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 21:58, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

And a Peaceful and Prosperous New Year

Been busy busy busy in RL these days but to all my friends on Wiki I wish you health, wealth and peace in the coming twelve months. Sarah777 (talk) 22:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Lovely sentiments, Sarah. Thank you and I wish the same to you. Happy 2012!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:05, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

User:RashersTierney/Ballyneety, County Limerick

Well, what about it? I'll get things going, but please feel free to chip in (open to all). RashersTierney (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Coordinates on roads articles

In the off-chance you're checking in occasionally, there is an RfC that may be of interest. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 16:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Just back from my own personal blackout! (Protesting against censorship on Wikipedia - irony abounds!)

tbh, I have no views on this geo-roads thingy. And as for Ballyneety! Seriously Rash - the photo describes it as being in somewhere called the Republic of Ireland. Where the ph*** is that?! Sarah777 (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I know. Its a poor enough photo, might just drop it. Maybe the next time you're in the area? Anyways, good to hear from you. RashersTierney (talk) 00:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Redcross & Joseph Holt (rebel) Elizabethan planter apical ancestor

G'day Sarah777, I'm glad to see that RashersTierney (talk) is a wikiEditor friend of yours as I've just made his acquaintance thanks to the following. As you apparently started the Redcross, County Wicklow, Ireland stub & my father, Lionel Fowler, a 3xGreat Grandson of 1798 United Irish General Joseph Holt (rebel) (which has been controversially contributed to recently by Editor Author, Dramatist Peter O'Shaughnessy (talk)), Emailed me today a pers comm today regarding the Late "Sean 'Sonny' Holt was told [apparently] by his grandfather who lived there, as did Sean, [his Late wife] Annie and children, that an Elizabethan knight named Holt was granted their family's O'Toole land at Redcross[, County Wicklow, Ireland]. Could you please trace this?" I'm wondering if you know anyone in Redcross or other historians who maybe in a position to help raise that awareness as I've not easily found any other reference here online. Kind regards, Matthew (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Matthew. Just now seen this. I know almost nothing about Redcross other than passing through it and have no connections with anyone there. It is a tiny village so I'm not surprised there isn't much about it on the web. I don't even recall it ever being in the news for any reason! Regards Sarah777 (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I've just noticed the article hasn't expanded much since I created the stub! (Bar Sswonk's usual improvements) Sarah777 (talk) 22:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

No News

They said I had "new messages" - but I don't. I thought at least they be deletin' a few more pics. Is Wikipedia like Basil's parrot? :)

Just checkin' the mail.....Sarah777 (talk) 02:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Better than the Easter's greeting I received last evening User talk:Jeanne boleyn. No doubt the IP's disgruntled because the Easter Bunny didn't give him a chocolate egg. Oh well, we can't all be the Easter Bunny's favoured creatures.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

See that. I'd say a chocolate egg isn't the only thing the creep doesn't get! But why leave his comment up? Back in the day (when I attracted some flack here) I used to zap such comments with extreme prejudice!

And Happy Easter to you too ;)Sarah777 (talk) 12:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

G'lord - just noticed it's Friday 13th!! Aaaaagh! Sarah777 (talk) 12:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Pan-Hibernian Ubiquity

I can't pretend to be polite and contain my curiosity any longer. Do you have a job that involves driving all over Ireland? I ask because you have supplied so many pictures of roads and hamlets that it is obvious you get out a lot and for some time now I have been scratching my head and wondering, "Does she pay for all her own petrol, or is she the All-Ireland Inspector of Road Signs?" — O'Dea (talk) 13:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I get out a lot! Still do but my Wiki-activity has been dampened down by the institutionalised bias in this place. I have no connection with any roads authority or any other Govt agency! I'm self-employed :) Sarah777 (talk) 20:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I enjoy travel myself but I really am impressed by your range within Ireland. Does your self employment involve a lot of travel in Ireland (I won't pry about what you do, exactly), or do you just drive a lot for pleasure? — O'Dea (talk) 17:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

For example - here is a recent one from that weirdest place...Adamstown. Sarah777 (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks like one of those places that appear in nightmares when the dreamer finds his familiar neighbourhood has disappeared and been replaced by something alien and hostile.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see, you are a film location scout and you have been commissioned to find locations for some dystopian science fiction film. Without those funny captions, we could use that fine picture to illustrate Adamstown, Dublin. — O'Dea (talk) 17:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be a bit unfair to the bit of Adamstown that is built and inhabited! Sarah777 (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a photo?

Hi Sarah, perhaps you are stalking this page, in which case I well know your great Irish photos and wonder if you have any images of Roscommon town to improve the article which is rather lacking. Geograph.ie has very few and they are not even very good. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 21:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ww

I have no pics of Roscommon Town - must be one of the few places I'm missing!

I stalk here intermittently - as you can see :) Sarah777 (talk) 23:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. Keep well. ww2censor (talk) 04:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Adopting an Orphan

O Dear! Another one bites the dust.....Sarah777 (talk) 05:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 1716 in Ireland

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I object. The notion that nothing happened in Ireland in 1716 is ludicrous. Even by Wiki Anglophile standards.....Sarah777 (talk) 23:44, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

File:800px-Scariff Market House.jpg listed for deletion

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I'm puzzled by this one! The discussion said "keep" but the image was deleted. Not a great pic but nothing wrong with it - one never ceases to wonder at the ways of Wiki...Sarah777 (talk) 07:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Paying a flying visit - all the regulars still alive and healthy I hope? Sarah777 (talk) 08:01, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Plus ça change...Spotted you wandering the N4. How're they hangin'? RashersTierney (talk) 11:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Small world! Happy Christmas to Rashers and all the wee sausages :) Sarah777 (talk) 09:52, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Many happy returns Sarah. Hope to see you around in the new year. RashersTierney (talk) 00:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

River Blackwater, Meath

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Wow! You are a quick bot. It was copied and pasted about 2 minutes ago! I was using the Ghoul as a template; in process of editing it when you struck. Sarah777 (talk) 15:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you Mr Bot. I have fixed the link; I have also disambiguated the River Lea in the UK. Sarah777 (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

And I've moved it back. The disambiguation was discussed last year. Please discuss the move on the talk page first before making a change. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 20:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Why did you move it back? Isn't that edit warring? Sarah777 (talk) 20:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Only if more than one reversion occurred. Anyway, another user John (talk · contribs) has proposed moving the one in Ireland to River Lee, which I see you've already started at. I will reply later there. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 11:03, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Category:Pictures by Sarah777 at Wikimedia Commons

Congratulations! You have a new category for your images at Wikimedia Commons. I was fiddling with more regional road articles here in Wikipedia and saw yet more of your images in them, and went to list them out at Commons using Special:ListFiles/Sarah777, but that only showed those you uploaded directly to Commons. Many pictures you uploaded originally to Wikipedia have been moved to Commons by a bot and do not show up in that list.

So, I created Category:Pictures by Sarah777, then I ran a search for text "Sarah777" that listed all your files at Commons – those you uploaded there and those added by the Wikipedia transfer bot – and used an automated tool to add that new category to all your files (1,286 of them, for Jaysus's sake). Fortunately, the tool did all the work automatically.

In future, when you upload a picture to Commons, if you include the text [[Category:Pictures by Sarah777]], the picture will be included in the new category and will show up in your new "album", mar a déarfá. The category is a "hidden user category" so you won't see it listed at the bottom of the file page unless you change your Commons preferences at Special:Preferences → Appearance → Show hidden categories, and then save your preference change.

Now that I have seen how many pictures you have taken of the Irish landscape, I am more intrigued than ever to know what your travelling job is. Your prolific work reminds me of Father Browne's photomania. G'luck, and happy new year. — O'Dea (talk) 12:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks! Only saw this now...as you can see I'm not active here at the moment but I think I'll be back some day! 23:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Folks!

Anyone know how to get the infobox for Knockcroghery back to normal size? I can't figure it out.....Sarah777 (talk) 23:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks standard size (to me) in Firefox. Apart from having some extra parameters, how does it look different from use in other similar articles? RashersTierney (talk) 01:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

In Chrome it is half the width of the page - but the infoboxes in similar articles look fine. And yes - it looks fine in Firefox. Bizarre! (talk) 16:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Have posted the question at Template talk:Infobox settlement#Odd size in Chrome, apparently. Hopefully there will be a fix posted either here or there, (preferably both!). RashersTierney (talk) 18:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I opened the article in Chrome (almost never use) and it looks 'normal' - no different from other infoboxes in articles I connected to from 'Knockcroghery'. Perhaps it has something to do with your settings - see the answer at the Infobox TP, linked above. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 22:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

HELP!

R729 road and R729 road (Ireland) co-exist...I created both. How do I eliminate the former or redirect it to the latter? (One forgets....) Sarah777 (talk) 19:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

How about that? I edited both main and talk pages to be redirects to the later. Nice to see you around even if is for a short time. ww2censor (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

A thousand thanks WW! Hope you had a good Paddy's Day. Sarah777 (talk) 20:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Any chance you'd give Knockcroghery a lash? :) Sarah777 (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Great to see you back Sarah! --John (talk) 20:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I only just discovered St Mullin's - which surely should be St Mullins? Move it somebody! Sarah777 (talk) 20:56, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

This says different. --HighKing (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

And this says.....

Hmmmm ... looks like the signpost is correct and the logainm posting is wrong since some of the research also points to no "possessive" apostrophe. But then we have the Irish Times ancestor search with the apostrophe, but when we click the parish we get no apostrophe. Perhaps both are in use? --HighKing (talk) 12:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps the law takes precedent on this one whether you like it or not. Some new names were truly awful; I mean who prefers An Nás to Nás na Riogh amongst others. ww2censor (talk) 19:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Certainly not me WW! They did a similar botch job on Bray....Sarah777 (talk) 00:52, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Just found out that according to ahg.gov.ie (Dept of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht), the Ordinance Survey of Ireland maps are the "official" source for names, and they spell it with an apostrophe. --HighKing (talk) 17:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. A lot of folk in Kilternan will not like that! Sarah777 (talk) 19:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

WELCOME BACK, Sarah. GoodDay (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks G'Day Sarah777 (talk) 19:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

The N11

I replied to your question at Talk:N11 road (Ireland). — O'Dea (talk) 23:39, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied there Sarah777 (talk) 21:42, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I think the R138 was legislated into existence on 28.2.2012. See Talk:N11 road (Ireland). — O'Dea (talk) 10:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Just noticed this evening on my way back from Cavan that the N3 has also been terminated at the M50. I'm not keeping up as well as I used to. Sarah777 (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC:Infobox Road proposal

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Testing....Sarah777 (talk) 20:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Live edit watch

This site is gas. You have to log out to register your edit...but it works! Sarah777 (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot – I just wasted 15 minutes watching the map animation and the scrolling live list of article edits! Someone in the Philippines edited Wedding dress of Grace Kelly right before my eyes. Is there anything left on earth without an article? And someone in the Far East is interested in a fashion item (which included a lace- and pearl-encrusted prayer book) in tiny Monaco from 57 years ago. Wikipedia is a dazzling project. — O'Dea (talk) 10:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I wasted about half an hour at the same thing!! Thought I'd share :) Sarah777 (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Enigmatic portrait of a sign L8282

Hi Sarah. Can we say where this lovely sign is located, please? It is used in the local roads article. Thanks, and g'luck! — O'Dea (talk) 04:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Google maps +52° 58' 15.02", -6° 45' 57.34" is where the L8282 joins the R747 in a place known locally as Tinoran. Hope you can find it!

Regards Sarah777 (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I found it just north of Baltinglass. I've updated the file description and articles that use the picture. My picture of a local road sign is darker than yours. — O'Dea (talk) 20:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

North of Baltinglass! West, surely?? Sarah777 (talk) 21:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I suppose we are both right, and that's not just tact. It is northwest of Baltinglass. — O'Dea (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Indeed! I always imagined it due west. Odd that. Sarah777 (talk) 21:04, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Indeed! I always imagined that, with all the feckin' driving around you do, you could detect the earth's magnetic field in your brain like a homing pigeon. — O'Dea (talk) 06:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Usually I can! Sarah777 (talk) 22:28, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Help wanted

Seeing that List of populated places in Ireland is the new name for List of towns and villages in Ireland I decided (don't ask me why!) to remove the old name and replace it with a direct link to the new one. Started in Donegal - where I also stopped.

Is there some method of doing this with one majestic command?

It could take several days non-stop to update all the articles manually.

Sarah777 (talk) 18:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:AWB might be worth a look. I would offer to help but I am on holiday. Good luck! --John (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how to do it in one fell swoop but do you know why it was renamed? It happened in January. Was there a discussion about it? I cannot see the perpetrator engaged in discussion about it prior to his intervention, nor can I see any immediate benefit in the new, more abstract name. Have you tried simply moving it back to the old name, and save yourself the headache? Failing that, take your question to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) or Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests. — O'Dea (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I just moved the list back to its former name. You would have had to change 1,298 articles to the new name, which is unnecessary when a simple Move (rename) creates a simple redirect that will take care of the problem in one, effortless go. — O'Dea (talk) 23:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks O'Dea...now I'll have to undo the mess I created in Donegal! I have no idea why the name was changed and wasn't happy with it but I just assumed it went through due process. (I'm resigning myself to that slowly but surely!)

Some people used to add their local one-house townland as a "village" and these were ususlly removed so maybe the solo-run name change was to facilitate that?

Regards Sarah777 (talk) 11:08, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry–must dash!

I stumbled across your cri de coeur, 'I do not know what "Em dash" means!' Well, this is an em dash (—) and this is an en dash (–). They can be encoded by typing — and –. You can read about their uses at Dash. — O'Dea (talk) 17:39, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Sir. You are a gentleman, a scholar and perhaps, so far as I know, maybe even an acrobat :)Sarah777 (talk) 21:01, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Derrynacreeve

Can't believe nobody has created an article about this metropolis. Are the Derrynacreevian wikipedians proud of their hamlet?? Sarah777 (talk) 08:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Help wanted - I was in Blacklion yesterday

Either I've forgotten how or the rules for page creation have changed; I was trying to post this first draft and could find nowhere to put it - lots of exciting pictures of dismal signery to follow:

R200 road
Bóthar R200
Route information
Length	0 km (0 mi; 0 ft)
Location
Country	Ireland
Primary destinations	County Leitrim Drumkeeran starts at junction with the R280 County Cavan Dowra crosses the R207 Glengavlen, R206 Derrynacreeve – terminates at junction with R202 and N87
Highway system
Roads in Ireland Motorways Primary Secondary Regional

R200 somewhere

The R200 road is a regional road in County Leitrim and County Cavan, Ireland. Going from west to east, the route connects the towns of Drumkeeran, Dowra,Glengavlen and Derrynacreeve. En route it crosses the R207 at Dowra, is joined by the R206 at Glengavlen, passes through the 'Bellavelly Gap before terminating in Derrynacreeve at the N87 national secondary route.

The official description of the R200 from the Roads Act 1993 (Classification of Regional Roads) Order 2006 reads:

R323 Kiltimagh - Knock - Ballyhaunis, County Mayo

Between its junction with R320 at Main Street Kiltimagh and its junction with N60 at Hazelhill in the town of Ballyhaunis via Thomas Street at Kiltimagh; Roosky, Cloonlee, Knock, Greenwood, Tooraree; and Relief Road in the town of Ballyhaunis all in the county of Mayo.

The road is in Southeast County Mayo and is 22 kilometres (14 mi) long.

Ignore the references to County Mayo and the R323 - I was going to fix those....Sarah777 (talk) 08:03, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

• Did you mean you wanted to start this page R200 road (Ireland)? Just click create and paste the prose you want. ww2censor (talk) 09:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

• Yep - but I can't find create anywhere! Maybe now that I'm the wrong side of 25 my eyesight is failing me! Sarah777 (talk) 14:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

• Figured it! You search first and then click "create". I've done it hundreds of times and in a mere two years forget :) Sarah777 (talk) 14:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

See also

• National primary road
• National secondary road
• Roads in Ireland

References

Category:Regional roads in the Republic of Ireland Category:Roads in County Leitrim

Category:Roads in County Cavan

Cootehall

Can anyone fix the infobox of this new addition to the Irish Wiki geography store? Sarah777 (talk) 17:46, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

There you go! You missed out the latitude and longitude info only. --Bill Reid | (talk) 11:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Bill Sarah777 (talk) 12:58, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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• Tempus fugit....

That was 8 years ago! All seems correct here...do I need to do something else? Sarah777 (talk) 21:58, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Dead links in references

I noticed that you removed a couple of dead links used as references. I wanted to ask if instead of doing that you could use the {{dead link}} as per Wikipedia:Link rot. Then, with a bit of luck, they can be repaired. I was able to fix those two and one other that had been tagged but I still can't find one for the traffic lights. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 08:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Will do, thanks. Wasn't aware of the policy...I was reading the article and found the links dead. Regards Sarah777 (talk) 16:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I don't think many do know about that. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You can also use the Checklinks tool to check an article and it will try to provide an archived link and can also add the "dead link" tag as can the Reflinks tool. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Haven't noticed you around for a while Sarah. Hope alls well. RashersTierney (talk) 17:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Everything's spiffing! Kids n'stuff leave me less time online. Thanks for the concern :) Sarah777 (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Chin up. Good to see you back. RashersTierney (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Just like I always said....

Check out [3] for an outrageous example of the abuse of Admin power. Sarah777 (talk) 02:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Also look at Wikipedia:Systemic bias to see the cancer described and then ignored. Sarah777 (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

And suddenly....

Abby Martin is "significant", since she had a wobble and attacked the Russian intervention in Crimea! You couldn't make this up!! Sarah777 (talk) 17:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

John..mentor assistance required

Moved List of trees of Great Britain and Ireland to List of native trees of Great Britain and Ireland. Mistake.

Can you revert the move????

Sarah777 (talk) 19:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Done, with pleasure. --John (talk) 19:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks John. Due to lack of practice I'm getting rustier at this than I was; hard to imagine I know...:) Sarah777 (talk) 20:00, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I was just thinking I hadn't seen you around for a while. Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you. --John (talk) 20:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks John...I love it here when I'm not fighting (and even than:) - but domestic issues are severely limiting my time. Sarah777 (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

A question for John

When you go to a page or submit an edit on Wiki it seems to be incredibly slow to respond.

This tends put off impatient folk (such as I) who have become accustomed to instantaneous broadband interactions.

Why is Wiki so slow? Sarah777 (talk) 20:12, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I've noticed that too. I don't know why it is. --John (talk) 20:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Back in the Saddle Again, don't forget to sing along! BTW, are you aware of the InceptionBot list User:AlexNewArtBot/IrelandSearchResult but just watch out for occasional false positives. Good luck and hope all is well. ww2censor (talk) 21:10, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

This is all new to me...though there is an app for Kindle Fire which let's you watch free the old Gene Autry shows in glorious black & white! Sarah777 (talk) 18:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps a little before your time, and mine too though I recall watching some WWII war movies in which he appeared and sang. Goodness I have not even used our iPad (no Kindle here) for quite a while, maybe they have the app for that too. ww2censor (talk) 23:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Can I just ask what the issue with the sport section is? I'm not overly familar with the wikipedia editing game so would just like to know. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.178.104 (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi

The issue is that the statements made need to be supported by references if they are challenged. I challenged them because they were of a type that is often associated with un-encyclopaedic content.

(In the absence of any references, all I have to go on is my intuition and experience)

The text you added may well be accurate, I don't know - but instead of reverting my reversions and thus risk getting both of us sanctioned for edit warring you should simply add some links or references.

Regards Sarah777 (talk) 18:13, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey,

I did add a reference to the statement in the form of the club's official facebook page, or does that not suffice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.178.104 (talk) 14:15, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I guess it would but there was no such reference (that I can see) in the version I reverted. I'll ask top have the protection lifted if you add the reference? Sarah777 (talk) 15:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Apologies - I checked and Facebook isn't an acceptable reference. Sorry about that. Sarah777 (talk) 17:36, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Ireland tagging update

Been trying to bring the project table up to date for the past month and I've noticed the quality of so many of the League of Ireland related articles. Check out 2011 Shamrock Rovers F.C. season as just one example. If only the geography editors showed the same hard work and dedication! Sarah777 (talk) 16:05, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Pub spy wannabe?

This.
— O'Dea (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The den of Haunting Eyes

Persistent wee divil, isn't he :) Sarah777 (talk) 12:32, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

It's those haunting "who are you eyes (c'mere I wantcha)" that will keep me going back to Delaney's for the foreseeable. It's like a drug. — O'Dea (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow! Never been there - must pay a visit! Sarah777 (talk) 19:36, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I took the photo...but that was from outside...Sarah777 (talk) 19:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed a long time ago that you had taken the picture (love your new caption). The place is pleasant enough, but unremarkable. I haven't been there in a long time. I have interior pictures but they are not noteworthy enough to upload. The thing you have to ask yourself is if you are "hipster" enough to "gallivant" in the "fashion district of South Dublin". You might need a few drinks elsewhere before going in to steel yourself against those unnerving "who are you eyes". Our fashion correspondent has been back yet again, so I mentioned him at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. — O'Dea (talk) 04:34, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I've added an infobox but have forgotten how to add the coordinates...Knocklyon currently has the same coordinates as Stepaside! Any help appreciated :) Sarah777 (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I've gussied up the infobox a bit and fixed the location. Meanwhile, a tragedy has befallen Pub Spy. Oops. — O'Dea (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

A genuine loss to the project! Sarah777 (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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County Leitrim

Added recently -

Historical population

Year	Pop.	±%
1500	4,098	—
1510	8,071	+96.9%
1550	12,443	+54.2%
1580	14,324	+15.1%
1585	7,162	−50.0%
1600	3,581	−50.0%
1610	2,988	−16.6%
1653	2,970	−0.6%
1659	4,275	+43.9%
1672	18,550	+333.9%
1725	47,100	+153.9%
1781	94,201	+100.0%
1788	108,402	+15.1%
1790	116,804	+7.8%
1801	115,801	−0.9%
1811	120,783	+4.3%
1813	101,211	−16.2%
1821	124,783	+23.3%
1831	141,524	+13.4%
1841	155,297	+9.7%
1851	111,897	−27.9%
1861	104,744	−6.4%
1871	95,562	−8.8%
1881	90,372	−5.4%
1891	78,618	−13.0%
1901	69,343	−11.8%

ref: [http://www.cso.ie/census for post 1821 figures 1653 and 1659 figures from Civil Survey Census of those years Paper of Mr Hardinge to Royal Irish Academy March 14 1865 For a discussion on the accuracy of pre-famine census returns see JJ Lee “On the accuracy of the pre-famine Irish censuses” in Irish Population Economy and Society edited by JM Goldstrom and LA Clarkson (1981) p54 in and also New Developments in Irish Population History 1700-1850 by Joel Mokyr and Cormac Ó Gráda in The Economic History Review New Series Vol. 37 No. 4 (Nov. 1984) pp. 473-488

Has anyone got any idea whether the pre-1800 populations are based on anything reliable? Sarah777 (talk) 20:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Will do, I usually wait for the locals to do that but everything is accurate and not WP:OR Sarah777 (talk) 21:23, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Barretstown

Hi Sarah777,

I'm pretty new to editing so was wandering why you'd reverted the change I made to the Barretstown camp entry? Thanks very much, and hope that I've managed to use the talk page correctly (first time)!

--Harrygatt (talk) 17:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi - I just removed SeriousFun Children's Network Camps as it didn't seem to do anything! Sarah777 (talk) 02:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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I know I've asked this before, but.....

My talk page seems to be getting filed away somewhere every so often but Archive 33 seems not to include recent disappearances. Frankly, I'm worried. Sarah777 (talk) 11:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Try page 34 User talk:Sarah777/Archive 34. They appear to be on the next page as listed by the counter in the archive setup. You can always ask the bot owner. ww2censor (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks! - now I'll be able to sleep again at night :) Sarah777 (talk) 12:05, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Collapsed initially...

Anyone know how to edit a template to make it appeared in a collapsed state unless you open it? Sarah777 (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Specifically I refer to this monster -

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A girl's best friend...eats tardy Mods for breakfast

It says not to try and edit it unless you know what you are doing...but I tried anyway. Maybe it worked.....??!Sarah777 (talk) 20:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

No - it didn't. Sarah777 (talk) 20:18, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm now leaning towards Yes, I can...Sarah777 (talk) 20:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. I know I'm talking to myself. If it wasn't raining I'd go bark at my new best friend.....Sarah777 (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

IrlProj table

Shoot! It has stopped working again......Sarah777 (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

The details of who/how it was fixed last time seem to have been archived to oblivion....not in #34 and there is no #35. Nothing works around here anymore. Maybe some rich old American billionaire would desist from leaving her fortune to her cats...and instead leave the cats to Wikipedia? Sarah777 (talk) 18:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Ha, ha! See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index#Bot not updating assessment tables?. ww2censor (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I just ran the bot manually from here. We must remember that for the future. ww2censor (talk) 23:04, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey - I just ran that myself! Very good. Sarah777 (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Though we hardly need an assessment run every day like it used to run, perhaps once every few days or weekly should be fine if it does not come back onstream again soon. BTW, do you know anything about Stradbally, Co Waterford, or have any images. I can't find much but just read The Missing Postman which took place there in 1929. There are quite a few recent newspaper articles if you are interested. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I hardly know anything and have no images of the Waterford Stradbally. Sarah777 (talk) 18:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Calling John.....

See 1023 in Ireland - it should be 11th century in Ireland but I moved it in error to 11th Century in Ireland and am unable to move it again. I have been threatened with Crucifixion for less than this in the past! Can you dig me out of a historical hole? Sarah777 (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

OK John....I may have to fire you as my mentor! Sarah777 (talk) 18:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh gosh, I'm sorry, I only just saw this. I'll fix it immediately. --John (talk) 21:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I just redirected the wrong one to the right one. Ping me if I can do anything else for you. --John (talk) 21:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks John. I'm standing the dog down :) Sarah777 (talk) 16:35, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Irish Rivers

Hello Sarah777. Thanks for taking an interest in my edits on the assessments of Irish Rivers. In the summaries you mention agreed Wikiproject standards for Start articles. In the past I have looked in vain for any definitive rules about when an article becomes a Start, I use the Did You Know length rule which is 1500 chars or about 10 sentences. The River Goul page only has five sentences, which is why I marked it as a stub. If you have any specific rule that you can direct me too, that would be useful. (I will watch here for any reply).--Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

If an article has a valid infobox, appropriate photo and a basic introduction than we regard it as a "start". I changed only the IrlProgect tags, I did not interfere with the "rivers" assessment. For further information on the Stub v Start criteria for IrlProject articles I'd refer you to User:BrownHairedGirl whose whose guidance I have been following. Sarah777 (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You can refer to the "Quality scale" section on WP:IE/A for the Ireland WikiProject details. IMHO, a DYK qualifying article is generally at least a Start-class. Article assessments are the domain of each individual WikiProject but are maintained by the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team who provide guidelines on their assessment page. Hope that helps. ww2censor (talk) 22:49, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Ww. I'd hope that in 99% of cases I've followed the criteria...if nothing else based on the very few occasions you've revised my rating :) Sarah777 (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I think you pretty much have them all right. Remember assessments are still subjective, so occasional differences may occur. Great work. The unassessed list is coming quite close to non-existance. ww2censor (talk) 23:16, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

My current mission is to bring the IrlProj up to date....but this is the tip of the iceberg. When all are logged there is a vast number of "starts" and "stubs" that need re-rating. Dunno if I'm up to that - it would take years. We need some other IrlProj folk paying attention to the rating.

It's amazing the number of people who upgrade an article from "stub" to maybe a "c" without ever changing the tag. Sarah777 (talk) 23:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sarah

Since you pinged me and kindly left a message on my talk, I'll add my 0.02Punt worth.

I'm sorry to say that I think I must have changed my views on this. AFAICR, I did tend to count things like images, succession boxes in making an assessment, but I now don't think they should boost a rating.

My reasoning is that except in a very few cases, it is the prose in the body of an article which determines its stubbiness (or lack thereof) ... because that prose is what carries the info about the topic. Categories and navbexes are navigational aids, not content. Infoboxes summarise and present the content, but should not add to it. Images may illustrate an article, but they rarely substitute for prose.

So that's my starting point, per WP:STUB#How_big_is_too_big.3F. I also think that User:Grutness/Croughton-London rule of stubs is a worth bearing in kind.

Hope this helps --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Sarah777, your user page is obviously the place to pose a query, three responses in one go. Many thanks for the links, ww2censor & BrownHairedGirl

The reason for raising the query, was that although I have assessed many thousands of river articles, I was a bit worried there was a difference between my reckoning and someone who is clearly a more experienced ‘pedian. Not sure where this leaves the Goul, Inny, Annalee, Bann and Kings River, but I will ask for an opinion at WP:Rivers as a check on my assessments. Thanks. Jokulhlaup (talk) 15:32, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm with BHG that it is the amount of prose which determines the difference between a Stub and a Start article. One or two short sentences, for me, are a Stub while a couple of paragraphs or better are at least a Start-class article. ww2censor (talk) 21:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jocularity, BHG and Ww. I don't have any strong opinions on this...but as I'm rating hundreds of articles for IrlProj I just need a consistent approach. If I need to "upgrade" my rating of "starts" so be it.

As for river articles I was rating them in the context of "Ireland" articles rather than "river" articles (which rating I left unaltered).

I'd be more that happy to sign up for an agreed approach to Ireland river articles. If you (Jocularity) wish to re-rate them I won't have any problem with that. Set out a specific guideline for river articles and I'll endorse it...geographical articles are my main area of interest.

In relation to text in general, there are many articles with loads of text that is unreferenced meandering - if an article requires an infobox/image/templates etc but if it is a full page of largely unreferenced text I tend to rate it as "stub". Sarah777 (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sarah777, Seems I have gained a new nickname, which is funny on a number of levels. In terms of rivers there seems to be about 100 articles to review. You are absolutely right, you didn't change any rivers templates - I appreciate you only altered the Ireland one.

Can we agree that they should have the DYK limit of 1500 characters, 250 words or ten sentences of prose - with at least one reference to pass as a Start. If it is a tiny stream then we may have to make an exception per the CL rule, but I don't think anyone has tried to include really small ones anyway. Thanks. Jokulhlaup (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jokulhlaup: If you want to be that defined you may want to refer the matter to the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team whose links I provided above. I'm sure there will be editors there who will have opinions but personally I expect that you should follow the general guidelines and not be quite so rigid as you appear to want. Classifications are by their very nature subjective. ww2censor (talk) 22:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@Ww2censor: Oh, I thought you might have haggled a bit, I may have settled for 2 3/4 paras, a nice picture and an in-line reference or two. OK, I will finish off adding the WP:Rivers templates to the rest of the Irish rivers, and then come back with a list of differences that can be looked at subjectively. I won't alter any WP:Ireland templates, but I may add a blank one or two, as I have noticed that at least that the River Roe was missing it, and there are some missing talk pages. Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Differences

This is the current List of Differences between the two projects. The River Cladagh and Six Mile Water can be upped to a Start, do you want to let me know if there are any other similarities that can be found. Thanks.Jokulhlaup (talk) 16:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Personally I'm pretty ambivalent about most of them but Six Mile Water, Sillees River, River Cladagh and Owendoher River are certainly Start-class. The others IMHO are Stubs but I'll let you two figure it out unless I happen across one whose rating really bugs me. ww2censor (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jocularity - I didn't realise you could put two Projects side by side like that! I agree with yourself/Ww that ratings can't be too precise and prescriptive, otherwise we'd potentially get editors adding sentences just to "make the grade".

At the margins, I think it is up to interested editors such as ourselves to come to agreement...not difficult among us three I think.

A larger question is raised regarding cross Project rating - surely only the "importance" should differ from one Project to another - not the other parameters? Sarah777 (talk) 22:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sarah777 and Ww2censor, I agree with the comments above, so I have made the project classes the same for Six Mile Water, Sillees River, River Cladagh and Owendoher River as Start class. I will have another look at the last 11, just to check again. You are spot on with the comment that Wikiprojects should have the same class rating, that was one of my reasons for raising the issue of the differences. Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

You are right to raise the issue. The solution isn't clear or clean-cut. We need interested editors to agree...it is impossible to write definitive rules...only guidelines. Sarah777 (talk) 23:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

We may have to return to this once the table tools are working again...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Could be a long wait! Sarah777 (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The table tools have failed again, so I thought I would list the ten that have a different class, the River Mahon was on the list but I will change it to a Start class, as it is almost large enough, and there seems little more to add. I also expanded the Annalee and the Moyola so that they are now Start class.

• Cloone River
• Glenelly River
• Kings River (Ireland)
• Roogagh River
• Silver River (Ireland)
• River Aughrim
• River Avonbeg
• River Bann (Wexford)
• River Goul
• River Inny, Westmeath

Having had a look through these ten again, they are all short and/or unreferenced. Unless you have a different view, I will change the Ireland templates so that they are then stubs for both projects...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

No objection. Sarah777 (talk) 00:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for having another look...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:48, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ernest Radcliffe Bond

Hi Sarah, the IRA are classified as terrorists in the UK and US, as it says on Provisional Irish Republican Army, it is not merely POV. Thanks, Matty.007 08:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Maty, For grammatical simplicity members of an organisation are best referred to as 'members of' rather than any one of myriad terms which may accurately describe a complex and varied organisation, but not necessarily describe each member. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 10:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

So taking civilian hostages to try and get your way isn't classified as a terrorist action? Thanks, Matty.007 10:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

See WP:TERRORIST. --John (talk) 10:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

"Make sure, as well, that reliable sources establish the existence of a controversy and that the term is not used to grant a fringe viewpoint undue weight": some of the sources call them terrorists, is that enough? Thanks, Matty.007 10:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

No, unless most or all of the sources call them that. --John (talk) 11:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

The Telegraph called them terrorists in his obituary, he worked in the anti-terrorist squad, the Age (an Australian publication) called them gunmen-but later said "Police confirmed that one of the four men was Michael Wilson-the most wanted terrorist in Britain" (Wilson appears to be an alias, see Murder_of_Stephen_Tibble#Bomb_factory). Is that enough to call them terrorists? Thanks, Matty.007 13:42, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Why are you so fired up to use this POV term? --John (talk) 17:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I want to get it right. Was my last point correct? If not, I'll let it go. Thanks for explaining, Matty.007 18:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

The points you made were indicative but not conclusive. I suggest continuing this at article talk rather than here. It is not up to me or Sarah what happens. In principle I am against using it, especially as the subject is still alive. I can remember when Nelson Mandela was still a terrorist; these terms are best avoided, as the page I linked above suggests. --John (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'll take your word for it, sorry if I was a bit of a pain. Thanks for explaining, Matty.007 18:22, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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R138 road (Ireland)

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Fixed. Sarah777 (talk) 21:51, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Global account

Hi Sarah777! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 12:02, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Der

I was working through this and I've been unified here and on commons. Got to "Login unification not complete" and it wants me to give the password for the following

en.wikisource.org not attached — 1

en.wiktionary.org not attached — 0

ga.wiktionary.org not attached Blocked indefinitely. Reason: Feallaire 3

gv.wikipedia.org not attached Blocked indefinitely. Reason: Abusing multiple accounts 0

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simple.wikipedia.org not attached — 0

wikimania2008.wikimedia.org not attached Blocked indefinitely. Reason: Vandalism

I don't remember ever posting on any of these wikis - what do I do?

Regards and Happy New Year! Sarah777 (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Pinging...??? @DerHexer:

I've usurped all accounts with no visible edits and vandalism-only accounts. These two accounts left will be usurped during SUL finalization till April 2015 so that your global account will be completed by then. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 11:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Sarah777 (talk) 23:03, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Leeson Street

Besides File:Lower Leeson Street, Dublin, Ireland.jpg do you have any other images that could be used? ww2censor (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry Ww, that's the only one I have. Sarah777 (talk) 22:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

No worrys. I'll try to remember the next time I'm in Dublin. ww2censor (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Events happening in Dublin

Hi! As you tagged yourself as being in Ireland, I hope you don't mind me reaching out. We know have a recognised Wikimedia Community Ireland User Group and we have been running workshops and other events in Dublin and beyond. In case you are interested our next event will be this Saturday in Collins Barracks, you can find the details here. Smirkybec (talk) 23:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Eh...thanks for the invite but the recommended list of articles kinda puts me off!

Michael O'Leary WWI poster

Ireland and World War I

10th (Irish) Division

16th (Irish) Division

36th (Ulster) Division

Irish War Hospital Supply Depot or Voluntary Aid Detachments (Ireland)

Irish National War Memorial Gardens

Royal Dublin Fusiliers

Sounds like John Bruton slipped his leash.... Sarah777 (talk) 12:11, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Well we'd be delighted to get input to expand/improve that list! They are by no means mandatory! The Supply Depot could be quite interesting as it would highlight the role of women in the supply chain, I have a few references to get that one going. It is not meant to be in any way political, but it does reflect gaps in the coverage. :) The Royal Dublin Fusiliers are included as the new exhibition in Collins Barracks focuses on them and there is a theatre company working with their stories (same people how did the Tenement Project in Henrietta Street). Is there a topic that would entice you? Smirkybec (talk) 14:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Who is Sally, anyway?

Your photograph has been used without attribution to illustrate a silly article. We turn now for a reaction from the photographer. Tell us, Sarah777, are you proud, or what...and will you sue? — O'Dea (talk) 15:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, there are a lot of silly articles about our ongoing snowocalypse! So I'm happy to lend a photo. For a shocked moment I thought the R115 road was the silly article referred to!

Just read "A team of computer scientists have compiled analysis which, despite Wikipedia’s best efforts, has shown the online encyclopaedia to be ‘deeply biased’ against women", [4].

As if the bias here was only against women! It's a bit like the in-house opinion piece of the white American/Western male in nearly every respect. Including the Management.

Anyways, my pics pop up all over the place and are rarely attributed, but then I give an open licence - not seeking any credit for my exhausting efforts :) Sarah777 (talk) 19:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia contributors are exasperating and the encyclopaedia is disfigured by errors, bad writing, ignorance, agenda-promotion and axe-grinding, but it is still by far the most comprehensive reference work in the solar system. My pictures, too, are often lifted without attribution. Happy Mexican Constitution Day. — O'Dea (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Nice photo Sarah!! Just had a peek and it looks great on the article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Beware!

The Ides of March...and another equinox is near upon us....Sarah777 (talk) 22:53, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

New Irish road definitions

I have replied to your comment about Irish roads, with links to the two relevant 2012 Statutory Instruments, which contain the new official route descriptions. — O'Dea (talk) 14:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I updated the N11...so that's leaves only maybe a hundred more to do! Sarah777 (talk) 07:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

A hundred! There are 342 Irish road articles. Well...maybe the legislation only altered, say, 17 of the routes, but all 342 articles will have to be compared to the descriptions in the 2012 Statutory Instruments to detect the changes. Why can't the Government leave our roads alone? Damn you, Varadker! — O'Dea (talk) 09:09, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Midsummer is in the rear-view mirror...

Anybody out there? Sarah777 (talk) 18:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there's a grand shrinkage in the evenings, indeed. I am "out here", although my Wikipedia activity rate is much reduced at the moment. Greetings. — O'Dea (talk) 15:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty much half way between here and here, still enjoying the warmth (though it is no longer in the mid 30s) and pitying both you and my offspring enduring the mid-teen temperatures and rain in Ireland these days. ww2censor (talk) 18:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Hasn't been bad at all on the East Coast - cooler than normal but generally dry and sunny. Sarah777 (talk) 12:18, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Warm September brings the fruit, sportsmen then begin to shoot

Yep, another equinox approaches...are y'all still our there?

Sarah777 (talk) 22:14, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

'Tis true I've not been doing a lot here the past few years...kids, dogs, husbands etc :)

You seem to be keeping the IrlProj table up to date...no house-keeping to do here - unless I can raise the issue of the insulting name of the Ireland article again?

How long do all those prohibitions last?

Sarah777 (talk) 22:18, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Odd Archiving?

Howdy folks...all well at your various ranches I hope? Spiffing here...keep meaning to come back but events, dear boy, events :)

Not sure why the archiving bot leaves an extra post every time it archives...but than I never was a techie.

Chins up and ciao....Sarah777 (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

User:MiszaBot/config does not say that a minimum default threads left is 1 but you can add the following line "| minthreadsleft = (insert value you want)" to the setup to define your preference. I'll be in the ould sod next week for a week and hope to take a few snaps and a few scoops of the black stuff. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 23:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Happy Christmas!

		Happy Christmas!
		Have a happy holiday season. May the year ahead be productive and happy. John (talk) 19:02, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks John...many happy returns. Sarah777 (talk) 01:42, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Interesting photo, now that I notice it. Forest behind the facade?? Sarah777 (talk) 01:17, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Here we go again.....

(cur | prev) 13:01, 26 June 2015‎ XXN (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (31,636 bytes) (0)‎ . . (XXN moved page List of towns and villages in the Republic of Ireland to List of populated places in the Republic of Ireland over redirect) (undo | thank)

"Populated places" and "towns and villages" are very different concepts...my housing estate is a "populated place" ! My f***ing garden shed is a populated place. Antarctica is a "populated place".

I cannot restore the correct title because some "admin" moved it. Can someone please move it back? Sarah777 (talk) 21:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

 Done, I think. Hope you've registered that shed with the PRTB! ;-) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:02, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Good God ! Have they given you such power....they know not what they've done! :) Sarah777 (talk) 22:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

God forbid! Nope, not an admin, don't want to be! I got some "long term confirmed user" thing a few weeks ago but I think everyone got that. Don't know how you weren't able to move the page, though page moves can be funny sometimes. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Maybe I could move it! Not very technically literate here...and got rusty. I seem to have lost my roll-back facility (probably through lack of use). Good to see you are hale and hearty! Sarah777 (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Now that I'm here - my new best friend....Nero!

Slightly odd request

I note that below the "assessment log" on this talk page to "And now so soon" (inclusive) the text stays and doesn't get archived. (a) Why?? (b) Can anyone fix this?

I'm just a neatness freak. Sarah777 (talk) 22:52, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm...obviously a neatness freak whose page is no longer read by anyone.... Sarah777 (talk) 22:19, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

A beach in Galway

I'm not really sure as I archive manually. I suspect that MiszaBot only archives items that are signed and date-stamped. You could either ask at User talk:MiszaBot or archive the bits you want to manually. --John (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi John!

Great to see you still out there in cyberspace...I've cleaned up the IrlProj rating table.

Approaching my tenth anniversary I'm drawing a line in the sand....:) Sarah777 (talk) 22:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm....it said I had a message - but I see nowt Sarah777 (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Regional roads

I can see why R160 road (Ireland) was proposed for deletion; it won't help preserve this series if people simply add roads without even getting the infobox in order. Sarah777 (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2016 (UTC)