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November 2015

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Hatha yoga

Hi. I just wanted to explain an edit I reverted of yours. I did't like my edit summary so I thought I would explain here. Yoga Upanishads describe the shatkriyas you are correct, I misread when I put up the summary. But That sentence implied that that is all upanishadic yoga was about. I would welcome you to reinsert the same comments without putting it at the top and using your own words (you quoted the first line of Satyananda's shatkriya chapter word-for-word which is plagiarizing if you don't put quote marks on it). If reworded it can explain, as Satyananda's book does, that the yoga upanishads are more than just kriya. Including the kundalini upanishads. As for you other Satyananda quoting, I would say that asanas aren't designed to work the same as exercise but it's undeniable that when done as exercises they often funtion by the exact same mechanisms as other forms of exercise. Especially those select practices that are identical to gymnastics. Most of the muscles you grow from an asana practice are the same as muscles grown from pushups and handstands.Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 03:36, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Iṣṭa Devatā @Iṣṭa Devatā:. Thank you for your hints and showing the way. I am new to Wiki and am still finding my way through the rules and tools. I hope this message reaches you. Regarding "Hatha Yoga" I have placed my edit further down with own wording in section "Earliest textual references". I think this information (that initially Hatha Yoga started with the Satkarmas) is useful. Om Sahnti --Sankgeo 16:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Iṣṭa Devatā: @VictoriaGrayson: @Sankgeo:. I think this piece of information is important "initially, hatha Yoga was based on the Shatkarmas" and it would be a pity to be lost in the edits because of different personal views. Could you kindly suggest/help to put it in the right place? I copy my edit below for reference Om Sahnti --Sankgeo 17:53, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed addition by Sankgeo for "Hatha Yoga2 article: From the early Yoga Upanishads it is known that, initially, Hatha Yoga was based on the Shatkarmas or purification practices.^[1] --Sankgeo 18:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

So it might need another source to back it up. As far as I can tell from Georg Feuerstein, the oldest Yoga Upanishads like the Katha Upanishad and Brihadaranyaka Upanishad make no references to the shatkriyas. Perhaps what satyananda was referring to are later yoga upanishads that came after the founding of hatha in medieval times. As best as I can recall shatkriyas are relatively late additions to yoga while the upanishads are some of the earliest elucidations of yoga. And even when hatha and tantric practices like kriya, mudra, bandha are mentioned in medieval upanishads they are often rehashing the old hatha manuals. Totally not your fault (more Satyananda's), but I think you might have found a quote that is a mistaken view (or possibly a translation error?). [1]. But if you can find other sources that make the same claim I will happily be proven wrong. Best of luck, and happy editing. Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 08:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

^ Saraswati, Swami Satyananda (2008). Asana Pranayama Mudra Bandha. Yoga Publications Trust, Munger, Bihar, India. p. 487. ISBN 9788186336144. Hatha Yoga as described in the early Yoga Upanishads was made up of the Shatkarmas or purification practices.

Test Talk

Hi Sankgeo, could you help me with talk? --Gaurelen (talk) 18:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gaurelen: Check this out --> Help:Using talk pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages --Sankgeo 18:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Gaurelen: was it of any help? --Sankgeo 18:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit War

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Please have a closer and more careful look to the history of the edits of "Hatha Yoga" 17:38 I reverted your 693131813 revision @VictoriaGrayson:. 17:39 I recalled my revision of 17:38 and 17:44 I reverted again your old 693131813 revision (this time adding a reasoning in the summary). So in reality there was only one revert from my side (and two from yours :-) ). --Sankgeo 18:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yoga Upanishads are the last texts to be composed in the Hatha Yoga tradition. They are even later than the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, which itself is very late:

Over the centuries following the composition of the Hathapradīpikā, many more texts teaching the techniques of Hatha Yoga were composed. An exhaustive review of all of them is beyond the scope of this article. Most are derivative of the teachings of the Hathapradīpikā. The brief survey below mentions only the more innovative or idiosyncratic among them and omits such inluential texts as the Hathasamketacandrikā, the Yogacintāmani, the Hathatattvakaumudī and Yogabīja anthologies, the Yoga Upanisads, and Brahmānanda’s Jyotsnā commentary on the Hathapradīpikā.Reference by Oxford scholar James Mallinson

VictoriaGrayson^Talk 18:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sankgeo, please take care in your edits. Vic seems to be correct here. Thanks. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:40, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan: thank you for your kind message. We are in good discussion with @VictoriaGrayson: regarding Yoga Upanishads and Hatha Yoga. She has kindly sent me literature on this and I am also investigating the subject, looking for additional literature. What I would like to point out is that the label "Edit War" was rather shocking for a newcomer. I also explained my point (I practically did only one revert to VictoriaGrayson's edit, please see above my response of 18:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC) ). I kindly propose that VictoriaGrayson edits this talk-section and renames it to, e.g., "Hatha Yoga", removing also any reference to "Edit War", which is not nice to see and also which was not meant in the first place :-) --Sankgeo 11:31, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

India-related articles at Wikipedia can be a tough place to edit, once and a while. Vic does have some, ehm, 'habits', but he's a very keen editor, with an excellent knowledge of sources. So, welcome again, and anjoy the ride! Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

February 2019

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Primary material on Bihar School of Yoga

Hi, sorry to have to revert you but we can't have an article on a yoga topic dominated by primary sources, giving its own point of view at length without independent critical analysis and overview. In general, primary sources can only be used with great caution to establish basic and uncontroversial facts (foundation date, location, name). They must not be used to add materials which give the impression, however well-meant, of promulgating an organisation's teaching. I do hope this is clear and straightforward. The BSY is certainly notable as it is discussed by reliable independent sources; let's keep the article that way. There is clearly scope for expansion but it must make use of reliable independent sources. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:30, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Saraswati, Swami Satyananda (2008). Asana Pranayama Mudra Bandha. Yoga Publications Trust, Munger, Bihar, India. p. 487. ISBN 9788186336144. Hatha Yoga as described in the early Yoga Upanishads was made up of the Shatkarmas or purification practices.

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