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Landshark

Your message [1] is inaccurate in that the removal of long unsourced, trivial content from the article to the talk space was indeed properly noted in the edit summary [2] . Please revert yourself or provide proper sources for the content you returned to the article. Thanks! Active Banana (talk) 17:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done. You are correct; I didn't realize what you were doing. My mistake. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 17:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:

  1. Proposal to Close This RfC
  2. Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 03:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Defcon... again

{{helpme}}

How do I get the (purge • update) beside the [low/guarded/elevated/high/severe] meter? Thanks — Samwb123T (R)-C-E 05:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

If you're talking about the template at User:Samwb123/Wdefcon then it looks fine currently, purge/change change links are typically done like this on defcon templates:
(<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} purge] •
[{{fullurl:Template:Vandalism information|action=edit}} change]</span>)
Which you already have. Kind regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 07:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Uh, no. Is there a way to put it directly beside on the right of the meter? Samwb123T (R)-C-E 19:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking... SpitfireTally-ho! 19:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Kind of like this? Regards SoWhy 19:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I've limited the width too (was unlimited), let me know if that's okay? Kind regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 19:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I would like the width unlimited, if that's OK. Thanks! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 22:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

What I mean is, I would like it exactly the same as before, but with the (purge • update) beside the meter. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 23:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I got it now. Thanks! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 23:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Help again please

{{helpme}}

Listen. For User:Samwb123/Wdefcon, I would like the (purge • change) beside the meter— nothing else. In other words, I would like it exactly how it is, except for that the (purge • change) should be moved to beside the meter. Thanks! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 00:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

To the left or the right of the meter? Also, why are you linking to the purge action and why does change link to a completely different template? Please let me know on my talk page if you'd like me to respond again. :) Banaticus (talk) 07:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
For layout, it might be worthwhile to put Purge as a (P) on the left of the meter itself, and (C) for Change on the right (or (U) for Update). This would make the interface a little cleaner. As for the links, this and other vandalism meters pull one set of data from {{Vandalism information}}, which lets one vandalism level be set for all of the various templates like this one. So it makes sense to edit that template rather than this one. Don't know about the purge action, though. Let me have a look. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Right of the meter, I'll make it P and C. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 16:43, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 Done. I've made the change and checked the format on your userpage - and everything seems to work. I don't know how the text message from Wdefcon impacts box width and layout, but the top and centre lines should work. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 17:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 17:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

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Siva Shankar Baba

Hi Samwb123

Trust life is treating you well as always. Can you look into what needs to be done ref that article

Thanks God's Flute (talk) 20:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

re: Siva Shankar Baba

Thank you. Will do so. Do take care of your health. Get well real soon, okay!

Best wishes God's Flute (talk) 19:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Look at this

Check out my first real edit on this page. Did I make any mistakes? Please tell me how I can improve.--Lamb99 (talk) 22:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Adding content and references is one of the best things you can do here on Wikipedia. Remember to be bold, and don't worry about making mistakes. No one is going to bite you. Just a quick note though, punctuation (like periods or commas) goes before the reference, and you don't need to pipe links (like [[this|this]]) if the link goes to the same page as the text displayed. Wikipedia's computers automatically capitalize it when a person clicks on a link, so don't worry about that. Once again, thanks for helping improve Wikipedia! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 16:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
So, you're saying that I shouldn't make links to pages that are the same as the text displayed?--Lamb99 (talk) 20:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
No, I just mean to use [[pagename]] instead of [[Pagename|pagename]]. However, if the first part of the piped link is different from the second part (where the link is [[firstpart|secondpart]]), then go ahead and pipe the link. See more at WP:LINKING and Help:Link. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 00:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, how do you make your user page so nice? Could you teach me how to make a user page like that? Thanks.--Lamb99 (talk) 01:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
I use User:Samwb123/Menu for the top banner, the design of which I "stole" from User:MWOAP. The box design I took from User:Hersfold, who has a blue, instead of orange, userpage. The vandalism counter is based on User:Bugs5382, who is currently retired. I also use User:Samwb123/ValueTemplate {{Collab}}, {{Divhide}}, and {{Wikipedia ads}}. For the userboxes, I use {{Ubxside|title|userboxes}}. (I'm still working on my userpage.) I can help you create yours, or you can create your own. See User:UBX and scroll down to the very bottom to see a template listing all the userboxes that are available. Just ask me if you need more help! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 22:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, I may have accidentally deleted some things from your talk page. I didn't do it on purpose, I was just testing out the new gadget I got. Just wanted to tell you that.--Lamb99 (talk) 21:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I figured that out (eventually). You may want to test at the main sandbox or your own sandbox to experiment though, or some other editors might not know what you are doing. Thanks! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 21:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

No, I don't operate Lamb99, he is a different user, but we are friends in real life and made our pages look similar. Goat999 (talk) 02:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

OK. Just wondering. Thanks! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 17:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

New Article

Hello, I was just wondering if I could make an article under the name of "Gaming Time Now". This is a nice gaming website which I found, and I think that it may be good enough for its own article, like Miniclip, another gaming site. Please respond soon about your recommendations. Thank you--Lamb99 (talk) 01:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Under WP:WEB, the site must meet any one of the following criteria in order to be notable enough for an article:
  1. The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself. This criterion includes reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper and magazine articles, books, television documentaries, websites, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations[1] except for the following:
    • Media re-prints of press releases and advertising for the content or site.[2]
    • Trivial coverage, such as (1) newspaper articles that simply report the Internet address, (2) newspaper articles that simply report the times at which such content is updated or made available, (3) a brief summary of the nature of the content or the publication of Internet addresses and site or (4) content descriptions in Internet directories or online stores.
  2. The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization.[3]
  3. The content is distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster;[4] except for trivial distribution including content being hosted on sites without editorial oversight (such as YouTube, MySpace, GeoCities, Newgrounds, personal blogs, etc.).

Notes

  1. ^ Examples:
  2. ^ Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the company, corporation, product, or service. (See Wikipedia:Autobiography for the verifiability and neutrality problems that affect material where the subject of the article itself is the source of the material.) The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, or vendor) have actually considered the content or site notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it.
  3. ^ Being nominated for such an award in multiple years may also be considered an indicator of notability.
  4. ^ Content that is distributed by independent online sites will almost certainly satisfy the first criterion. However, this criterion ensures that our coverage of such content will be complete regardless. For example, Ricky Gervais had a podcast distributed by The Guardian. Such distributions should be nontrivial.
So if you can have it meet one of those criteria, let me know. Thanks! Samwb123T (R)-C-E 01:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Question

I have a small question. How do you get that thing to come up when you are editing your user page that says, "Please do not vandalize this page. Doing so will get you blocked.", with the picture with the hand? Can I do that too? Please answer.--Lamb99 (talk) 23:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

To have that notice, edit Special:MyPage/Editnotice. (I have mine at User:Samwb123/Editnotice, edit yours at User:Lamb99/Editnotice.) You can also set up a notice at Special:MyTalk/Editnotice for when someone is editing or leaving a message at your talk page (I have not done so yet, I don't think I need to right now, maybe in the future though.) Samwb123T (R)-C-E 19:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I also have another question. I have been looking through Wikipedia for new users and have been using Friendly to welcome them. Does too much of that mean something bad? Please respond soon.--Lamb99 (talk) 02:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

It's great that you are welcoming users. I do recommend though also editing articles. It's not necessarily bad if all you do is welcome users, but having some variety is good too. Also, you may prefer to use Friendly, but I prefer to welcome users with:

==Welcome!==
{{subst:W-tips}} (or {{subst:W-tips|ip=yes}} for anonymous users and {{subst:W-tips|wp1=WikiProject 1|wp2=WikiProject 2}} to invite them to some WikiProjects)

Also, some editors will feel that too heavy use of automated tools (such as Huggle, AutoWikiBrowser, and Friendly) is not good if you want to become an administrator; I am not one of these. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 22:05, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I have a question

How do you get the value of your account on one's user page? --Goat999 (talk) 01:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, that was just something I came up with, you can't really calculate it, it's kind of a half-joke. But you can create a template like mine if you want; mine's at User:Samwb123/ValueTemplate. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 22:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Bethesda Softworks

Hey, you just reverted the Bethesda Softworks page after I edited it. I was just cleaning it up a bit -- I added a separate List of Bethesda Softworks games and took out the giant list that was in the actual article. Would appreciate it if you let me revert back to my changed version.

Sorry, I did a good-faith revert: you must've accidentally held down the 'j' key on the computer. Go ahead. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 16:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Spokane

'I don't see what changes you made other than expanding the cite templates and making the weather data more accurate'. I don't think you are being honest here (you may even have been intentionally deceptive, acting dumbly, or lying), and that's not a really good reason to revert. Several points

  • The data from this version did not conform exactly to The Weather Channel's data. the 'not in the source' WIKi policy is a good reason to change. I resolved the conformity issue.
  • Weather Channel is not actually entirely original; its data derives from the government (NOAA) sites, and some editors find this problematic. That issue is resolved
  • Government data is usually to the nearest 0.1 F, 10 times more precise than what Weather Channel does.
  • Unacceptable to have precision only to the nearest 1 F in the 'year' column, as was the case with the previous version.
  • The previous version had NO data for snowfall, days with snow, days with rain, sunshine, or record temps. Some users may want this information, and as long as the info is verifiable, it might as well be included, be it on the main page or a sub-page (e.g. Geography of _)
  • and leaving the citation templates in blobs saves only very little article size and does not affect the final product. it does, however, make viewing the code a total pain for some users.
  • for your reference, this is the diff. Look more carefully at the other changes that were made.

Continue to revert, and I will highlight this dispute on the talk page. This even borders on 'unwarranted removal of content'. ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 17:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I made an honest mistake. Please do not assume bad faith (I don't think you are being honest here (you may even have been intentionally deceptive, acting dumbly, or lying)); this even borders on a personal attack. You are free to revert my undo. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 20:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I flare out at times -_- and may bite, and am sorry for that; I now recognise that you misperceived the edit/diff. ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 02:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Felipe Sanchez

Hello Samwb123, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Felipe Sanchez, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Blurpeace 22:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I know, someone just talked to me on IRC about it. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 22:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

TFD

Where was this change in format discussed? This complete breaks the bot we have rotating the logs. Your prior edits to this page were also problematic. I suggest that you strongly consider proposing changes at Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion before making any more edits. Thank you. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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Userfied Keith Akers

The article is now at User:Samwb123/Keith Akers. Shimeru (talk) 05:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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You are now a Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under pending changes. Pending changes is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at Special:OldReviewedPages.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 18:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

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From Me, User: WiiRocks566 [talk] 16:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Eaten

WiiRocks566 has eaten your {{cookies}}! The cookie made them happy and they'd like to give you a great big hug for donating it. Spread the WikiLove by giving out more {{cookies}}, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Thanks again!

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Thanks for the cookies!

From Me, WiiRocks566 ( Want to talk? Click here!) 23:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

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Template:Munchplate

Could you move Template:Munchplate to User space? It doesn't belong in Template space. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 23:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Uh, sure, but what about {{Cookie}}, {{Lollipop}}, {{Cookies}} and {{Munch}}? Samwb123T-C-E 23:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
They're probably in the wrong spaces, too, but they're there for historical reasons, I guess. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 23:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
They have been there for a considerably long time. If you would like to move these out of the template space, please discuss it on the template talk pages. Samwb123T-C-E 23:58, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I never suggested that. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 00:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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Regarding the My Way Searchbar article

I was reading what you posted in the discussion page. I agree, newer versions of this software does not include adware. Sophos states that it is no longer Adware. It is however, still considered a PUP by many. You have not shown me any sources which state that it is no longer a PUP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryzal (talk • contribs) 23:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it is a PUP, you may put that in the article if you find a source that says it is a PUP. Samwb123T-C-E 15:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC) It is regarded as a PUP, yes, because the older versions contain an adware function. I added this to the article. Samwb123T-C-E 15:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, glad we could come up with a compromise Bryzal (talk) 20:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at MyWay Searchbar. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Also, please read edit summaries before reverting edits. You were clearly told to look at the talk page. By mindlessly reverting edits without discussing it, you are risking your account being blocked from editing. When there is a content dispute, resolve it before discussing BEFORE editing (unlike you did at the Myway searchbar article). Also, you really should post a message on the user's talk. Silently reverting edits was very sneaky on your part. Thanks. PlantRunner (talk) 23:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me? I discussed it on the talk page, what's this about "sneaky edits"? And I was just about to leave a message on your talk page. This comes close to a personal attack. If you disagree with someone's edits, you don't just blame them for vandalism. Samwb123T-C-E 23:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't realize that you just edited it a few minutes ago. I didn't see the time, and shouldn't have assumed you weren't going to post a message. However, it is agains the wikipedia guidelines to revert edits during a content dispute without discussing it first. It appears to be vandalism, and a personal attack? Where did I attack you? I'm just quoting from what wikipedia says should be done in this case. PlantRunner (talk) 23:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Can we get a mediator here? Samwb123T-C-E 23:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't see why we even have a problem. The ONLY things I removed were unverified. I verified (with sources) EVERYTHING I added. Why? Because beforehand, the article sounded very biased. My edits were an attempt to make it more neutral, adding more information (all verified) about the other side. If you have a problem with any SPECIFIC things I've done, then let me know, and I'll see how I can fix them. I don't think a mediator is necessary. PlantRunner (talk) 00:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, you may not have seen what I posted on the talk, your sources contradicted with some of the things you said (malwarebytes and bitdefender). Neither of them say ANYTHING about it no longer being a threat. They are still detecting and encouraging removal for this piece of software AS OF TODAY. PlantRunner (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Samwb123/Hidden

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Community Portal

Some time ago you added {{collab}} to Template:Announcements/Current collaborations, causing it to show up on the Community Portal. Can you tell me which collaboration this is for and link to where it is organized/voted on?--Banana (talk) 20:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

A small question

Hello, you may not remember me, since I have not been active recently due to workload at my school. Anyway, I was looking over the Sock puppetry case that I was mistakingly in before, and I noticed something. It said that I was "IP Blocked"? What does that mean? A link to the case can be found here. The information which I am referring to is on the bottom of the page. Thanks for the help!-Lamb99 (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was reading it wrong. I was "Unrelated". Sorry for interrupting your work. - Lamb99 (talk) 22:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

The Userpage Shield
For reverting vandalism with amazing speed on my user page, I award you this Userpage Shield barnstar. Aaron north (T/C) 06:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010

I noticed the message you recently left to User talk:Rehelmer. Please remember: do not bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it. Thank you. Article was blanked by original editor. Level 4 warning was issued- a tad severe, in my opinion. jsfouche ☽☾ talk 06:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'll try to be less harsh next time... Samwb123T-C-E 15:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Please stop deleting cited information from this article. If you want to add information, then go ahead, but I reverted your edit, because you deleted valuable content. Thanks. PlantRunner (talk) 19:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Once again, please refrain from removing cited information from articles such as the MyWay Searchbar. If you want to reword the article, please do so without removing important information. PlantRunner (talk) 00:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

false accusation

you said i vandalised the James_Longstreet profile when obviously dont know who he is

Kleiber's law: The shorter version, without the "metabolic efficiency" stuff, is better

The metabolic-efficiency (ME) stuff is OR and is basically nonsense (let's see a cite for it). Warm blooded animals in adulthood have a power-law metabolic exponent less than 1 because they get a boost from surface/volume effects. Plants don't need that, and that's why their metabolic power exponent is one. In adults, all metabolic (food) energy winds up as heat eventually, so there's no point in talking about anything else. Reptiles are not true poikilotherms but do need to heat up to function, and since they need to warm up, and scaling effects give them a similar power law, but with a different scale factor for an overall slower metabolism as baseline. The reasons for 3/4 fitting the data better than 2/3 is unclear, but it may be because very small mammals can make up for their terrible metabolic heating cost by growing a lot thicker coats (shrews are half fur) and larger mammals can simply shed most hair, especially in the tropics (which they have done-- look at a rhino or elephant). That trick keeps the exponent from being the 2/3 law it would be, if all mammals had the same heat-tranfer coefficients from hide-to-air (they don't).

So, Showtime2009 has been blocked as a socker, and is probably our nutcase. The other users opposed to removing the OR are user:Mokele (who by his background should know better), and user:Samwb123, whose problem I don't know, but it may just be conservatism. I'm going to post this on both of their talk pages, and let us see if we can get this back to being a scientific article again. SBHarris 09:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Dean Heller

But the Dean Heller article then is incorrect..!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.79.194 (talk) 23:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

He is a senator as of today (May 3, 2011). Samwb123T-C-E 23:46, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
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