User talk:Rjjiii/Archive 3
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Westall UFO
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 16:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for the sunbeam on my talk! As you know, I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- The island looks gorgeous; enjoy the vacation, Rjjiii (talk) 03:38, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
A note on preps
Hi there, thanks for promoting prep 6 earlier today; I like how you promoted from the earliest approved nominations. Just a little something to watch out for - WP:DYKVAR recommends against having two hooks on the same topic being next to each other, so I moved one of the two space-related hooks to another set. Best wishes for the future, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello Rjjiii; wondering why this was necessary. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 06:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Lotje: Thanks for pointing that out. The character at the start is just an error that I've removed. Both edits together[1] are to add the date to a template. Rjjiii (talk) 06:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
A wiki-cookie for you in these text-only environments
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It is all water under the bridge. Rjjiii (talk) 16:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for helping in the prep building. I did not do a full check of your work, but others will check along the way. I hope yopu keep contributing in that area. Bruxton (talk) 15:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: Thanks! I likely will. My plan is to wait until this set goes through so I can take notes on the feedback/changes provided. Then do another set. I did not realize in the past that it was an area where extra hands were needed or wanted. Take care, Rjjiii (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for all you've done with UFO lore!
Roswell's looking way better, your summary of Majestic was especially well-written. As I was thinking about diagrams, I wanted to share with you one I made some years back when I was first learning about the subject on this level and trying to keep things straight in my head: File:Diagram of UFO Fiction and Mythology.png. It was never meant for use in a Wikipedia article, mind you, and it never would be appropriate for such use -- it was just my sketch pad as I was trying to keep all the different parts in my head and not get them confused. The Space Brothers being one thread, the Atomic-Energy aspect being another. A third based on the idea nuts and bolts flying objects that can travel through water, solids, air, or space and sometimes leave debris; A fourth section on legends of hoaxes, lies, deceptions and conspiracies. And finally, at the opposite end of the spectrum from the Space Brothers, the UFO-related malevolent aliens who may be demons. Perhaps you will find some utility in it at some point.
From my perspective, I wanted to get to a point where X-Files fans, say, could learn from Wikipedia about ALL the different facets of its fictional mythology that were sourced from actual UFO conspiracy theory literature. A conspiracy theory loses it power when you show how it originated and evolved. For the X-Files, it's basically all sourced from Milton William Cooper's book Behold a Pale Horse. I took a swing at covering the JFK was killed over UFOs element in a standalone article but I struck out and got deleted. Perhaps someday in the future, perhaps after Roswell is done, I could get your thoughts the best way for us to cover the hybridization of two different conspiracy cultures. I think there's been like five different popular TV series that have killed off JFK because of aliens, I lost count years ago. lol. I wish it were just a historical thing, but QAnon has revivified it. Feoffer (talk) 01:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! I saw your post on Talk:Roswell too. I'll take a look at your overview soon, and begin going through the various versions.
- Oh, that diagram is interesting even if not usable for an article here. My notes are usually just scribbles in a notebook or text editor.
- Regarding JFK, I don't know. I may seek some less polarizing topics after Roswell stabilizes. Most of the articles I have been working on (Roswell, UFOs in general, United States) have been polarizing topics.
- Regarding X & Y articles in general, I think there is a general rejection unless the scope can be clearly defined by high-level sources. Totally different field, but Violence and autism was an article up for deletion until an editor narrowed the scope to the literature. Rjjiii (talk) 05:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
the last prep set
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Just so you know. Schwede66 20:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Your vote at Lucky Chloe AfD
Hi, Rjjiii. You voted for a merge at Articles for deletion/Lucky Chloe, but your reasoning was a bit ambiguous ("the game is notable"). Would you mind coming back and expanding on it if possible? Cheers. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 19:47, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Explanatory notes in Help:Shortened footnotes
Dear Rjjiii, thank you very much for your reply to my remark on the treatment of explanatory notes in Help:Shortened footnotes. I talk to you here because I do not want to clutter Help talk:Shortened footnotes and expose my ignorance there. Help:Shortened footnotes is no content guideline but a how-to guide. However, it is the only place where shortened footnotes are discussed in detail and therefore practically plays the role of a guideline for this subject. I feel that consensus should be reached before non-trivial changes are made. Not being an expert on the matter I should probably stay away from the page.
You ask: "what are the changes that you want to make or the problems that you see?" I feel that explanatory notes should be discussed in HELP:Explanatory notes and shortened footnotes should be discussed in Help:Shortened footnotes. Combinations (e.g. nesting shortened footnotes in explanatory notes) should be mentioned only if they present special difficulties, such as known bugs and limitations special to such combinations. Phabricator numbers should then be cited. I am not aware of such problems, but my experience is limited to nesting {{Sfn}} in {{Efn}}, which seems to be without problems and probably is the most often used combination.
I feel the entire section "Explanatory notes" with its 6 subsections is irrelevant and should go.
If you are not convinced read the discussions of the 6 subsections below.
The 1st subsection "Shortened footnotes with separate explanatory notes" simply discusses juxtaposition of the two templates. What difficulty could there be? It does not even mention the somewhat more difficult case of nesting the one in the other. Besides, the first {{Efn}} in the given example would in reality need a citation.
The 2nd subsection "Shortened footnotes with separate explanatory notes (using groups)" explains how to use ref tags instead of Sfn and how to code explanatory notes using groups, these topics should be covered in WP:CITING SOURCES and in HELP:EXPLANATORY NOTES, respectively.
The 3rd subsection "Shortened footnotes mixed with explanatory notes" shows how to mix citations with notes. This is trivial and not needed. Besides, if you ask me, it is very bad style and should be forbidden.
The 4th subsection "Separate explanatory notes with shortened footnotes and their references" discusses nesting citations in explanatory notes. This is trivial. The example shows that the third inline citation [3] does not appear in the text as it is nested and only used inside the explanatory note. I feel this is a minor inconvenience and acceptable, but some might feel it is a problem. The subsection fails to discuss this, which should probably be discussed in WP:CITING SOURCES as it is not special to shortened footnotes.
The 5th subsection "Explanatory notes containing parenthetical references" seems to maintain that parenthetical references are deprecated in the main text but still allowed inside explanatory notes. That might have been true at some stage, but WP:PAREN now says "deprecated on Wikipedia". I therefore believe this subsecttion is obsolete.
The 6th subsection "List-defined explanatory notes with nested links to full citations" discusses an interesting way of how to provide citations nested in list-defined explanatory notes despite the limitation (Phabricator T22707). However, the citation produced is a parenthetical one and therefore not acceptable.
Dear Rjjiii, there might be other reasons why explanatory notes should be discussed in HELP:Shortened footnotes. I just do not know them. You are the expert and main editor of this important page. Mathglot said you have done great work on citation documentation. I hope you can sort this out. With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 15:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Johannes Schade: I can understand the trepidation about posting to Help talk:Shortened footnotes, but suggest you post your message there. While I appreciate the kind words, I have no authority or pull to decide what goes on any help or documentation page. I have subscribed to you recent topic, and you are welcome to {{ping}} me, Rjjiii (talk) 04:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Open-source license
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Preps
Thanks for building preps at DYK! You are going to get very good at it and we need and appreciate you! Bruxton (talk) 05:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Unbulleted list citebundle/styles.css
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(t · c) buidhe 02:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi there. Do you mind if I make some edits to this draft? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Magnolia677: feel free to edit the draft; I appreciate your input. It's still fairly rough though with some references and images in scratch sections down at the bottom of the page. Rjjiii (talk) 17:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it would probably be easier if you just made edits to the live article. Just add to the existing layout. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Magnolia677: I've made all of the changes to the live article now. I moved the updates in chunks to preserve any changes you made to the infobox and the bottom of the page. I still have some things to do (copyedit, revise lead, maybe add page numbers, and maybe add another image). You can feel free to make any changes you need to the live article now. Thanks for the patience, Rjjiii (talk) 01:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it would probably be easier if you just made edits to the live article. Just add to the existing layout. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
<ref>. . .</ref>
Hi, Rjjiii, noticed this edit at Help:Sfn, and just wanted to leave you a tip: if you are using Html entities as a way of escaping <ref> tags, then you only need to use < at the beginning i.e., <ref> and not both leading and trailing as in <ref>; the ending greater-than doesn't need to be escaped. Hope this helps. Mathglot (talk) 10:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Feedback
Rjjjj, you commented on my talk profile. This is InquisitivePigeon, please check my edits and make sure I'm on the right track. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inquisitivepigeon (talk • contribs) 19:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Inquisitivepigeon! Thanks for reaching out. In the future, you can click the "Add topic" button at the top of the page (or any talk page) to add a new discussion section. To reply to a message, you can click the "reply" button at the end of the message. To notify someone, you can use the {{ping}} template. Most users will get a notification any time someone links to their name (unless they choose to disable it).
- In response to your question, yes, you do look like you're on the right track. I took a look at a page that you recently expanded, The Rutherford Institute, and I made several edits. I tried to separate each type of change into a different edit with a clear summary. You're doing well with citing sources after content. I'd advise looking over Wikipedia:Reliable sources to see what types of material are preferred for sourcing. On the Rutherford Institute page, the content all seemed verifiable but was cited to the institute itself, which is a primary source for that topic. Primary sources work for details. For anything controversial, Wikipedia prefers independent secondary sources. Also, I see a few edits trying to cite another wiki, Fandom.com. Fandom is user-submitted content without editorial oversight, so Wikipedia doesn't consider it a reliable source (Wikipedia:USERGENERATED).
- Feel free to reach out in the future. And thanks for the work you've put in, Rjjiii (talk) 06:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
The Skeptic article
Are you aware that your Bio in The Skeptic lists and links to this page? Rp2006 (talk) 04:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Rp2006: When I pitched the story to them, they asked if they could link to my Wikipedia account. I said sure. Rjjiii (talk) 04:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- If I were you I’d ask them to remove that. Anonymity on Wikipedia is protected for many reasons, and the current environment of UFO believers going after Wikipedia editors is proof that is a sound policy. Rp2006 (talk) 05:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Christmas-themed literature
Please stop your removal, I've fixed the nominated problems and have asked the closer (user talk:Explicit) to reopen or reconsider, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn: It currently has zero transclusions, so there are no more left to remove. Good luck with making an improved navbox, Rjjiii (talk) 12:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, and thanks. The discussion is at User talk:Explicit at section {{Christmas-themed literature}} removal]] with link to the improved navbox. Hopefully this will be back in time for figgy pudding. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Open-source license
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Errors
Be careful when adding Italian words, you have made two spelling mistakes. My correction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muffuletta&diff=prev&oldid=1217482999. JacktheBrown (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown: thanks for tidying up! Italian is your first language? Those spellings are from olive salad.[2] At AfD it was voted to be merged; I only modified the language enough to work into the muffuletta article. Rjjiii (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, no problem, but when you move a piece of text please check again, I can't always be there to check everything. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (3rd nomination)
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DYK for Rodney, Mississippi
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Editor experience invitation
Hi Rjjiii, I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'll add my experience there. Thanks for the invitation; it's an interesting project. Rjjiii (talk) 02:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm glad you think it's interesting :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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I have sent you a note about a page you started
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Hello, Rjjiii,
Please revert your closure of this AFD. It was a close call, many editors argued for deletion which makes it an unsuitable AFD for a NAC. This was a BADNAC and if you don't revert, I assume it will be taken to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Even an experienced NAC should not have closed this discussion and you are not experienced. In fact, since I've never seen one of your closures before, I'm guessing it was your first. Have you carefully read Wikipedia:Non-admin closure for advice on when and when it is not suitable to do a NAC? If another editor doesn't take this to DRV then I will so I recommend you revert your actions. Liz Read! Talk! 07:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: done, Rjjiii (talk) 07:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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