User talk:Rainomme

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gay Kiss on Television Series (June 21)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Calliopejen1 was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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Most/all of the entries about the first kisses of various types are unsourced. All of that needs to be attributed to a reliable secondary source. See also WP:OR

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Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Gay Kiss on Television Series (July 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Qwerfjkl were:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

A lot of unreliable sources should be removed, such as the ones from Fandoms, and this should comply with WP:MOS

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―Qwerfjkl talk 09:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gay Kiss on Television Series (July 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SmokeyJoe was:

The article is written as Original Research. Read WP:NOR. My own quick searches finds sources already exist for the coverage of the time variation of acceptance of the gay kiss on TV. The article needs to be based on these secondary sources.

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SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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reply to a post that was removed

Hi Rainomme.

At Draft:Gay Kiss on Television Series, You made the follwing post (and later removed it, why??)

Edit: Hi, this article does not contain any original research perspectives. Every information in this article are linked to reliable sources. I read the articles you posted on my talk, many of them are LGBTQ+ milestones in other countries and involves non-kiss actions. I don't think they interfere with the part of information about kiss and US prime time tv in the introduction. But just to make sure everything is perfect, I rewrote the introduction again. I really have spent an insane amount of time on this article, re-editing and re-editing. I sincerely hope someone could preserve this precious part of the LGBTQ+ history, also its counterpart article on lesbian kiss has already existed on wiki for almost a decade and have been viewed for thousands of times.

My response to that:

I came to the conclusion that what you have written looks like original research. It looks like the author of the page is the first to discover that there is a trend in acceptance of the gay kiss on TV over time. On my own research, I see that others have published on this too, this or very similarly, and so the topic is OK with respect to the WP:NOR, but still, it has to be presented based on what others have said about the trend, or change.

The information you put in is indeed well sourced to reliable sources, but they are primary sources for what they are citing. They need an introduction that cites more general secondary sources about the topic.

The articles I posted on your talk, and on the draft talk page, are not perfect matches, but I thought they would illustrate what I was talking about. Yes, they involved other countries, and non-kiss actions. If you want to limit the scope to one country and kisses only, which is fine, then similar broad coverage of the trend over time for the single country for kisses needs to be found and used.

--SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Editing of talk pages

Hi Rainomme.

I also reverted your removal of my post at Draft talk:Gay Kiss on Television Series. The removal is not OK. You can read some rules at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines.

You have also been redacting this page, your main user_talk page. I think you have broken some coding, I am not sure. I recommend that you don't do this, it makes it look like you are hiding things, and it makes it hard for people to follow-up with you. I recommend other methods of archiving. However, you are allowed to manage your talk page by removing things. When you do this it is taken as proof that you have seen it. If you want to remove individual thread, I recommend that you take care to remove entire threads at once, not bits of a thread, especially not if templating (use of the "{" "}" characters) is involved. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gay Kiss on Television Series (July 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by TheBirdsShedTears was:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please write this in encyclopaedic manner than presenting it in an 'opinion tone'. Do not remove decline again.

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TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 2021

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Draft:Gay Kiss on Television Series. Such edits are disruptive, and may appear to other editors to be vandalism.

The reviewer’s comment is essential a talk post. It is not ok to edit it.

Here, you have again edited another’s post. This is not ok, and if you insist, you will likely end up being blocked from editing. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not think this draft is on a pathway to an acceptable article. However, it is a good collection of sourced information. I suggest you consider moving it into your userspace, and remove all AfC templates.

Also, your main userpage is being used as a drafting userpage. You should move it to a subpage, give it a better title, and use your main userpage to introduce yourself.

Also, you would do really well to ease off making a new article, and instead spend a while improving existing content. You need to learn how things are done here. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 2021

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Gay Kiss on Television Series (July 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Bonadea was:

This is potentially a notable topic, but there are a couple of fundamental things that need to be fixed.

We need reliable secondary sources that talk about the concept/phenomenon of television portrayals of gay men kissing each other. If you look at Lesbian kiss episode, it cites multiple sources that discuss the phenomenon of women kissing on screen, while all the sources in this draft only refer to individual TV series or episodes – this source has a slightly wider perspective, but it is very focused on one specific series. The draft has to avoid synthesis of sources, which is a form of original research.

The perspective is extremely US-centric, it even talks about "the US and world television", with separate sections for "US" and "Non-US". Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia, and this has to be cleaned up.

Not all of the sources support the information in the text. The claim "Internationally, the UK featured its first male to male kiss on prime time TV in 1987 in an episode of EastEnders" is not supported by this source. First of all, it was not an "international" thing but something that happened in the UK, but more importantly, all the source says is that one man kissed another man on the forehead at some point in the 1980s. And how does that tally with the info further down in the draft, about the 1970 adaptation of Edward II which (according to the source) did feature an actual gay kiss?

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bonadea contributions talk 09:53, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 11:01, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]