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The Bugle: Issue CXVII, December 2015

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Holiday abroad

Hi Andy, not sure why you redirected Template:Holiday abroad when the TfD was closed as no consensus. Or was there another TfD I was not made aware of? I will assume you weren't deliberately implementing your proposed changes because they failed to reach consensus. A courtesy notice would also have been appreciated. No bad faith assumed, rest assured. I do thank you for your efforts to keep the template namespace tidy, but please do bring this one back to TfD if you still feel a redirect is necessary. Hope you are well, and happy holidays :) — MusikAnimal talk 05:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #190

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Template:Bannedmeansbanned

Hello Andy
You took part in the TfD on this a while ago; I have opened a discussion here if you wish to comment. Regards, Xyl 54 (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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2016 year of the reader and peace

2016
peace bell

Thank you, Andy, for inspiration and support, with my review, the peace bell by Yunshui, and best wishes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox military person

Hi Andy, I just started a discussion regarding the parameters for honorifics. Since you initially introduced them to the template I thought this would interest you. De728631 (talk) 20:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to a virtual editathon on Women in Music

Women in Music
  • 10 to 31 January 2016
  • Please join us in the worldwide virtual edit-a-thon hosted by Women in Red.

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A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
Thank you Pigsonthewing for all your help. Northernva (talk) 02:17, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


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Sleeplessness

The News Quiz, Series 89, Episode 1 (26:00) Is this you? I just wanted to say how funny I found the clipping. Thanks for the laugh! BethNaught (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes; my pleasure. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Ha! Classic. DBaK (talk) 23:33, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #191

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Tech News: 2016-02

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • Some pages do not turn in up in categories where they should be. This is because link tables are sometimes not populated. [3]

Changes this week

  • The Nuke extension will work with Flow. This will make it easier to handle spam in Flow. [4]
  • New file uploads will now be patrollable. [5]
  • Internet Explorer 8 will no longer have JavaScript support. You will still be able to browse and edit Wikipedia if you use Internet Explorer 8, but will not be able to use some features. This can be solved by upgrading to a newer version or switching to a different browser. [6][7]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 January at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • URLs in the recent changes IRC feed will no longer be rewritten to unencrypted HTTP. This could be a breaking change for bots dependent on the IRC feed. [8]
  • The edit tabs for the wikitext editor and the visual editor will be combined to one single edit tab. You will be able to choose which one you prefer. If you are not logged in, your choice will be saved as a cookie in your browser. You can test the single edit tab. [9][10]
  • There is a beta feature that adds links to the subject on other Wikimedia projects. This works much like the links to for example Wikipedia articles in other languages. It will go out of beta testing and be enabled for everyone in January. Wikis that don't want this can decide to have it disabled. [11][12]
  • The difference between "alerts" and "messages" notifications is unclear to some. The developers want feedback at the Phabricator task or on MediaWiki.org so they can make this better. You can give feedback in your language if you can't write in English.

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16:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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Help decide the future of Wikimania

The Wikimedia Foundation is currently running a consultation on the value and planning process of Wikimania, and is open until 18 January 2016. The goals are to (1) build a shared understanding of the value of Wikimania to help guide conference planning and evaluation, and (2) gather broad community input on what new form(s) Wikimania could take (starting in 2018).

After reviewing the consultation, we'd like to hear your feedback on on this survey.

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With thanks,

I JethroBT (WMF) (talk), from Community Resources 23:46, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For Must Farm Bronze Age settlement. It was deserving an article before the most recent news, thank you for creating the article. Martin451 23:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Redlinks on Bowie page

Hi. Are you going to create the two redlinked articles? I'd make a start but I know nothing about the subject.Chie one (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

ORCIDs in citations

Hi. Got your message. Let's continue here, as you are closer to the topic.

In the last discussion at CS1 on the use of ORCID you thought (09:38, 17 April 2014) there were five decisions to make. I think the last two ("4. How to display ORCIDs in citations", and "5. How and to what to link those ORCIDs", are key ("toughest") to the implementation of ORCID in citations, and need consideration.

The natural place to display ORCIDs (or a link thereto) for individual authors is following the individual's name. However, citations are about the source, not the authors, and very crowded places with a lot of data; I think individual ORCIDs should not be displayed in the citation. Better to follow the way journals handle author affiliations with a link after each author's name on the title page. I think a special character (perhaps one that is intrinsically "superior") suffixed to the author's name and linking to that author's ORCID page would be ideal. However, a couple of problems. First, there does not seem to be any "ORCID" character (comparable to, say, the "©" symbol), and the image recommended by ORCID is rather overwhelming in text, and not easily accessible from WP. Second, their preferred "Proper use" (see https://orcid.org/trademark-and-id-display-guidelines) is to display the symbol with a URI containing the complete ORCID. This I find too intrusive for use in citations, and not acceptable.

So I think the issue here comes down to: is there any single character or symbol or mark (implemented in a standard character set, not as a graphic) that can be used to indicate a link to an ORCID page?

In the absence of any special character dedicated for ORCID (which might raise trademark issues), the question would be what ordinary character we might use for this purpose on Wikipedia? E.g., a raised ("superior") asterisk, such as is used in books to indicate a footnote, might be just the thing.

Example of an ORCID link: Carberry, Josiah S.*

The beauty of this approach is that other id systems (such as ResearcherID) can be implemented the same way, simply using a different character.

What do you think? ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:26, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

The small ORCID icon would be more distinctive and less ambiguous. A reduction in size would make it less intrusive. I'll discuss this when I next talk to the folk at ORCID, but I doubt they would expect their preferred style guideline to be binding on Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:22, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
The icon image (of any fixed size) is not going handle well, especially where the text is reduced (as common with citations); it is so intrusive that I consider that a bar to its use in citations. Also, some arrangement might be needed to accomodate their copyright with our copyleft. A distinctive character, or HTML entity, would work better (e.g., Carrberry©), but there doesn't seem to be any specfic character for ORCID.
As to being distinctive: it could be an understood WP convention that, following an author's name, © is an ORCID link, ® a ResearcherID link, etc. Or even numbers: Carberry૜૙". (Ooops, that didn't work!) Alternately, we could have '*' as generic link to a footnote containing each of several specific links. But that gets too cumbersome; I much pefer individual symbols.
The external link icon is intrusive, and I wonder if there is anyway to suppress it. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:14, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the ORCID icon, I disagree, but if we're going to move this forward, we shouldn't get hung up on a side issue. The external link icon can be suppressed by using {{Plainlinks}}; or locally in your suer CSS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Like this: Carberry©®. Cool. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:06, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
As a possible partial implementation I have been thinking of a generic "id link" template where we could do {{idlink|orcid|0000-0002-1825-0097}} or {{idlink|scopus|7007156898}} to generate the proper links. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:50, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps but alternatively, or also, that functionality could be included in the Cite... family of templates. If a new template is created, it should include the name: {{idlink|name=Carberry|orcid=0000-0002-1825-0097}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
For a single link it there is little difference between the "|orcid|000..." and "|orcid=000..." forms. But I can see a likely advantage in having a variable number of arguments in the form of "{{idlink |orcid=0000.. |scopus=1111.. |...}}": less typing overall, and more efficient implementation. But I don't see any point in havng a "|name=" parameter. What would it do?
A stand-alone implementation could work in all cases. Implementation in cs1/2 needs more consideration. One straight-forward approach (likely requiring no or no modification of cs) is to use {idlink} directly. E.g. {{citation |last1= Carberry |first1= J.S.{{idlink|orcid=000..}} |...}}. Alternately, we could have a class of |lastN-id= parms, similar to the author-links. These could be either open, taking the idlink template as before (and perhaps other stuff to put in right after the author's name), or dedicated, taking just the arguments and generating the link the directly. In the latter case we might have something like |last1-id= orcid-000.. scopus-111... However, having separate classes of idlink parameters (|lastN-orcid=, |lastN-scopus=, |lastN-resid=, etc.) seems way too heavy, excessively complicating the cs code. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Monkey selfie

Hi. I've started a discussion on the article's talk page, so we can talk about the matter. I don't know if you've notice already or not, but either way, can you participate? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Organisations using QRpedia

Category:Organisations using QRpedia, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes

There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #192

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Tech News: 2016-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You will be able to find or mark bugs and suggestions in Phabricator that are specific for your language or wiki. [13]
  • Notifications have been upgraded with more detailed and easier-to-access information. See the documentation. Cross-wiki notifications will be available soon on the two test wikis. [14]

Changes this week

  • The visual editor uses the TemplateData extension to make editing templates easier. You will now get a warning when you edit a TemplateData form and leave it without saving. [15]
  • MediaWiki will get a new authentication and authorization system called AuthManager. This is planned to happen in a month or two. Some bots will need to change how they log in. Two new and more stable authentication methods will be available now: Owner-only OAuth credentials and bot passwords. You can read more about the change. [16]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 January. It will be on all Wikipedias from 21 January (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 January at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is governance model. The meeting will be on 20 January at 22:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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17:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

...for the linked article you put up on the David Bowie talk page, Religion and spirituality section. You made my day! All the very best to you! Boscaswell (talk) 19:35, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

I would very much appreciate any view you would like to add, Andy Mabbett, to the debate which is going on on the David Bowie talk page, Religion and spirituality section. I competely revamped the section yesterday, as previously it was truly awful, but mentioning Bowie and spirituality in the same breath has I believe got some people upset. I was able to use a few quotes from the interview which you highlighted - thanks again! Anyway, a few hatchets were taken to my revamp, almost immediately. Today I made some minor changes, but edit war has broken out. Thank you. Boscaswell (talk) 21:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 6

Newsletter • January 2016

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

What comes next

Some good news: the Wikimedia Foundation has renewed WikiProject X. This means we can continue focusing on making WikiProjects better.

During our first round of work, we created a prototype WikiProject based on two ideas: (1) WikiProjects should clearly present things for people to do, and (2) The content of WikiProjects should be automated as much as possible. We launched pilots, and for the most part it works. But this approach will not work for the long term. While it makes certain aspects of running a WikiProject easier, it makes the maintenance aspects harder.

We are working on a major overhaul that will address these issues. New features will include:

  • Creating WikiProjects by simply filling out a form, choosing which reports you want to generate for your project. This will work with existing bots in addition to the Reports Bot reports. (Of course, you can also have sections curated by humans.)
  • One-click button to join a WikiProject, with optional notifications.
  • Be able to define your WikiProject's scope within the WikiProject itself by listing relevant pages and categories, eliminating the need to tag every talk page with a banner. (You will still be allowed to do that, of course. It just won't be required.)

The end goal is a collaboration tool that can be used by WikiProjects but also by any edit-a-thon or group of people that want to coordinate on improving articles. Though implemented as an extension, the underlying content will be wikitext, meaning that you can continue to use categories, templates, and other features as you normally would.

This will take a lot of work, and we are just getting started. What would you like to see? I invite you to discuss on our talk page.


Until next time,

Harej (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Good news!

Enjoy Down Under. Guy (Help!) 13:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2016-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now follow when pages are added or removed from a category on German Wikipedia. The plan is to add it to Wikimedia Commons and other Wikipedias this week. [17][18]
  • Administrators can hide individual entries of a page with RevisionDelete. There is now a button to choose "all", "none" or "inverse" in Special:Log. The article history will get the same buttons soon. Wikis that have done this locally with JavaScript will be able to remove that code. [19]

Changes this week

  • You will be able to see the references when you preview a section you are editing. This will happen even if there is no <references /> tag in that section. [20]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 January. It will be on all wikis from 28 January (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 26 January at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • There is now an extension called ArticlePlaceholder. It can automatically generate content on Wikipedia with data from Wikidata if there is no Wikipedia article. It will have a tag to remind the reader it is not an article and ask the reader to create one. The developer is now looking for smaller Wikipedias that want to try the extension. [21]
  • The OTRS system will be upgraded. The plan is to do this on 3 February at 08:00 (UTC). It will probably take 6 to 8 hours. OTRS will be down during the upgrade. [22]
  • Users will soon be automatically congratulated when they reach some edit count milestones. [23]

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16:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #193

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The Bugle: Issue CXVIII, January 2016

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Template:Infobox river

Good day, Andy. Hope you're doing well. While digging through some old stuff in the above template, I have noticed that you were interested in improving the above template. So I thought of letting you know that I'm currently working on a revamped version here. It's currently in the final stages (I have not yet notified the other editors), but I'd appreciate if you could have a peek and see if there are any bugs and/or any other areas that could be improved. I will be staring work on the compatibility side of the code over the next couple of days... Best wishes, Rehman 08:42, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Rehman: Thank you; I'll take a look shortly. My main concern is to merge in the relevant functionality from {{Geobox}}, in order that the use of Geobox for rivers can be deprecated, and instances replaced with the infobox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
No worries. I think the merge is mostly complete... I'll wait for your comments. Rehman 13:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Rehman:

  1. I've restored |native_name_lang=.
  2. You've removed aliases like |river_name=; are you sure they're not in use, somewhere?
  3. You've removed |mouth=; ditto
  4. You replaced |other_name= with |name_other=; the former may be in use, and is more standard elsewhere, It's also more in a natural voice.

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

P.S. I now see Depreciated parameters (to remove); I disagree with your reasoning, particularity with regard to |native_name_lang=, |progression= and |etymology=. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Andy. Thanks for the input. I have no issue with retaining native_name_lang name_native_lang and progression. But I disagree on adding |etymology= as it doesn't belong in an infobox and against H:IB.
Since there will be a bot sweep over articles using this template, it is a very good window for us to tidy-up and stylize the parameters simultaneously, even if the change is trivial. If you look closer at the template skeleton listed on the sandbox-doc page, changes like native_name → name_native and left_tribs → tributaries_left makes the overall skeleton look much neater thanks to the ordered prefix.
Things like |river_name=, |mouth=, and |other_name=, are not removed as such, but instead will be replaced. This is pending a bot scan to see how exactly to go about with it.
Similar cleanups were done at {{Infobox power station}} and {{Infobox dam}}, and the results are quite good. The number of articles using these infoboxes will only increase over time, to an extent where any neatness/cosmetic changes will only be instantly rejected due to the number of articles effected. Hence this is a great oppurtunity to neaten things up... If you compare the current doc page, and the doc at the sandbox, I am sure you would agree that we need to clean/simpify things there. And once this is done, we can then focus on making the Infobox River the primary infobox for river articles (as it should have been), and discontinue the geobox... Rehman 03:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
@Rehman: There is nothing against the use of |etymology= in either MoS or H:IB; it is there now, so I'm not asking for it to be "added"; please don't remove it unless there is consensus to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough. Just FYI, HIB states that an infobox should not contain "Long bodies of text, or very detailed statistics, belong in the article body". Since the content intended for that field cannot be entered in a couple of characters/words, it does not belong in an 'infobox'. Rehman 10:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I know what H:IB says; but your assumption that "the content intended for that field cannot be entered in a couple of characters/words" is false. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe; only because all of the examples I came across had at least two sentences in them... Lets discuss about this later, once the cleanup part is complete. No hard feelings. Regards, Rehman 12:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Andy. Based on this test, native_name_lang doesn't seems to do anything (probably since it was added). Am I missing something? The test is using the current (unaltered) infobox. Rehman 13:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

It's doing exactly what it is supposed to. I suggest you examine the page's HTML source. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Future Vehicles

FUTURE - NMcC Hello

can you buy me a beer? NMcClboro (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Can I buy you a beer. Rainegold (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Andy, what a lovely beard you have! 23rdphilli (talk) 14:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Can I buy you a beer.

XinZhang Sheffield (talk) 14:59, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for the informative session. Nfdo2016 (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

I'm guessing that you are not a fan of Macs, either? Richard Li Ion Heart (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, thanks for the course today. Pete Armstrong (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Andy, good stuff today! JAtkin16 (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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