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The Signpost: 01 August 2011

A page about me has been deleted.

Hello, my name is Catherine Balavage, there was a wikipedia page about me but it has been deleted. It was here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Balavage

I did not put the page up (and I do not know who did),but I am annoyed that it has been deleted for no good reason. It was well written and had proper citation. I want to contest this and also know who deleted it. I also own a magazine, which was deleted from wikipedia at exactly the same time. I am not happy about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kittenkat12 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

You did put the page up the first time round. Unfortunately, your career as listed at Spotlight (and which is user or agent supplied, and thus not a reliable source for use here) only appears to show minor roles, or roles in productions by student or otherwise non-notable organisations. As to the magazine, I didn't delete that, but can understand why it went. It was sourced entirely to the magazine's own website, and showed no notability. Interviewing notable people doesn't necessarily cascade notability down. Notability has to be shown in independent reliable sources, not own sites or user/agent supplied directories. Please see WP:ENT and WP:RS. If you can meet these guidelines, please let me know. Peridon (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Peridon. You have new messages at Nikthestoned's talk page. --08:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Also, I added some stuff to your Bragod page after stalking your userpage a bit, hope you don't mind! Nikthestoned 14:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Urs Meisterhans Deletion

Hi,

RE the Urs Meisterhans page - the page was deleted citing a lack of indication of the significance/importance of the subject of the article.

Urs Meisterhans is a highly prominent figure within the Swiss financial sphere and is also well-known in overseas particularly in the UK and Australia. He is also a key figure at Sinitus AG (who have a Wiki).

Someone of his stature and prominence within his profession, both domestically and abroad, ought to have a Wiki.

I understand your deletion, however, as I may not have made his notability and significance clear enough - I thought perhaps linking his Wiki to a Swiss portal would indicate that the page was relevant to Swiss users Nevertheless I concede that the page requires further independent referencing. I have further references from reputable sources such as Reuters, Bloomberg etc which I will add. In the meantime I've also collected more information which would add more depth to the page. I also plan on monitoring it and adding to it to create a more thorough Wiki. I have a personal interest in the field of Swiss financial advisory and management which I'd like to contribute to Wikipedia with.

Please don't hesitate to contact me with any queries, comments or advice.

Thanking you kindly,

FrancoisDeluxe (talk) 00:08, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank You! LouFest

Thank you for the info. If its not to much trouble can you look again and see if we're on the right track? I know i am guilty of OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Wont happen again. Any advice you can offer is greatly appreciated --Rtoma321 (talk) 15:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It looks reasonable, but can you find something less locally based as ref? Just for safety. I've declined the speedy, but please try to do that. If someone decides to PROD it, that'll be up for seven days. As a disclaimer, this is definitely not my scene in music (any of my scenes...). Peridon (talk) 17:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Protection edit request...

I know I could use Twinkle's RPP function for this, but mainly its because its a simple protection settings edit. Could you edit the protection settings on my user page to include cascading protection, please? Thanks. And if you want the current settings: Protected User:LikeLakers2: User request within own user space ([edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) [move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite)) LikeLakers2 (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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UBX stuff

See here. LikeLakers2 (talk) 22:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Why did you delete the Shardinay page?

Hello, I'm just a reader but I've noticed that the artist Shardinay used to have a wikipage but it's been deleted by you. Why is this? Was there something wrong with the page?

Angela121 (talk) 15:15, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, the article didn't show any notability - and the final sentence was a double whammy. "Shardinay hopes to have achieved stardom in the next five years, but until then she plans to take every day as it comes. For details of upcoming gigs and news visit www...." - that's non-notability and promotion in one go. You've probably been referred to WP:BAND in the past.... Peridon (talk) 17:21, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Madhavbaug

I will look for verifiable documented sources and post back. I know this is true since my father died at this facility of a heart attack being lured by their marketing. There are other instances that I have heard of sicne then. I personally have knowledge of the medical facilities they lack since these could have saved my father's life. Of course I am biased but the lack of facilities is verifiable and any competent cardiologist can debunk the claims they make on their site openly. HealthyHrt (talk) 20:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

They probably could - but unless it's on record somewhere we can't use it. For this sort of thing, I would advise doubling the references - have sources that support sources, so to speak. And you must write neutrally - 'aggressive advertising' is not really a neutral description. Don't forget that lawyers can have a field day with expressed opinions. They probably make enough money already... (Don't they?) Peridon (talk) 20:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

User:RoyWalkerArt

Bet you 50:1 she starts writing articles about grandpa Roy Walker as soon as the name change goes through. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:01, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

2nd request Bahara, India

I again request you undo you wrong deletion of Bahara, India as explained to you at User_talk:Peridon/Archives/2011/July#Bahara.2C_India. Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 15:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

You can always put it up again, with an explanation of it. As it stood, it was a list of places that weren't the one that had an article already, but giving no usable info about them. On Wikipedia, lists are preferred to be about topics on which we have articles "as Wikipedia is optimized for readers over editors, any lists which exist primarily for development or maintenance purposes (such as a list that consists primarily of red links) should be in project or user space, not the main space.". (Quoted from WP:LIST.) These weren't red links as such, but had no articles to link to. Is there any liklihood of viable articles being written about any of them? You can ask any admin - another one may think differently or I may be wrong. User:JamesBWatson, User:Boing! said Zebedee or User:Reaper Eternal are fair-minded and knowledgeable. I can't see the value of the list, but I'm not going to object if one of them (or another one) does. Peridon (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
It did not fell under Wikipedia:CSD#A10. Therefore it is not on you to decide without any discussion to delete it. Revert yourself and put it up for deletion if you like. I did object to speedy deletion on the talk page, but you did delete anyway. Read Wikipedia:CSD#A10. If you don't revert I see no other way as to ask for mediation. Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 01:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I should tell you that this user has raised his concern on AN/I.—S Marshall T/C 11:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

waste of space?

You message me back saying Wikipedia is not a place for webspace and tell me to go on sites like MySpace to put my info in,but what you fail to realize is that Thousands if not millions of actors have wikis on what they have done in roles and such,and yet your saying I'm wasting your space?Go ahead and search up rob Lowe,Michael j fox,Adam sandler,Heck you even have a page for Jackson Walker,A PERSON WITH ONLY 4 ROLES TO CREDIT!!!If you let someone like that have a page,when I have a short film that I directed,produced and starred in?---

Please sign talk page posts with ~~~~. Thanks. I don't know about those others offhand, but I would ask you to look at WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It might be that they have better stuff (like Michael J. Fox - I do know that name), or it may be that they haven't been spotted yet. (If it went solely on number of roles, Emma Watson might be in danger...) Look also at WP:ENTERTAINER and decide if you fit the requirements. If you think you do, look at WP:RS and see if you can find sources to prove it. No good linking to your stuff on Youtube for this - that doesn't count. Has to be independent, and reliable - no blogs or forums. We get a lot of people at the start of careers trying for articles. We're not here to help you up the ladder. We will help you with the article if it is in accordance with our policies and guidelines. (Unlike one band who had been together for three months or so, and were still short of a bassist...) I'm not saying you're no good. I'm saying 'too soon'. Peridon (talk) 21:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
If you look at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0907808/ you'll find Jackson Walker has had a lot more than four roles. I'm not so sure how notable they are, so the article is now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jackson Walker. You are welcome, as is everyone else at Wikipedia, to look in and express an opinion. Peridon (talk) 21:47, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


Zambo Article

Hi Peridon,

I notice you've removed the speedy deletion tag I put on the Zambo Article. As requested, I have provided sources in the discussion page which I will repeat below for your review and consideration:

  • African Languages and Ebonics by Dr. Katherine Harris, Central Connecticut State University. Africa Update. Vol. IV, no. 3 (Summer 1997) Pan-African Language Patterns Revisited:

"The erosion of African names also occurred. Samba, meaning comfort in Wolof, is still recalled in musical form in Brazil, where there remains a strong African presence. A possible derivation of Samba is Zambo (Southern/Central Africa), which also means to give comfort. Other derivatives are Sambu in Mandinka and Sambo in Hausa. The fact that the name was at one time fairly common and no longer used may have relationship to a song popularized by white Americans during the war from 1861-1865, "Sambo's Right To Be Kilt," and especially the derogatory usage of the name enshrined in the book Little Black Sambo."

http://web.ccsu.edu/afstudy/upd4-3.html

Some Africans personalities with the surname/first name Samba/Samb/ Sambe/Zambo:

  • Amadou Samba: Chairman of Gacem Co Ltd

http://gambia.gtbank.com/amadou_samba.php

  • Samba Diabe Sambe {Samba}: one of the last remaining Xalam players.

http://www.bloodsugar-diabetic.com/2011/07/05/ndiaga-mbaye-samba-diabe-sambe-boucounta-ndiaye/

  • Professor Benoît Ndi-Zambo: Cameroon
  • Philippe Mballa Zambo: Footballer from Cameroon

Here is a television interview of the man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=295lG-1Ugww

This article must be deleted immediately or a disambiguation tag added to it (as in the Samba Dance article). I call for the former because the name is African in origin and in African society, it does not mean what this article is purporting it to mean.

Thank you

86.176.170.210 (talk) 00:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are missing the point entirely. The CSD tag for nonsense is only for stuff like 'yrtxuyyuvu' or 'sunk aardvark pointillist supersede'. This article is written in coherent English. You are raising matters of content which should be discussed on the talk page (and it's way out of my areas of expertise, so don't expect help or opposition from me, except perhaps on matters of Wikipedia rules). If no consensus is reached there, there are further procedures. If consensus is reached, but not the way you think it should be, I'm afraid that you will have to abide by it. There is no speedy deletion criterion that can be used on this article as it stands. Peridon (talk) 13:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The Never Setting Suns Deletion

Hello, I see that you've deleted the page for the artist "The Never Setting Suns," which was marked for speedy deletion for having no content of importance or significance. I posted this article and after the mark was made for speedy deletion I contested the claim on the talk page explaining and further citing a vital claim to significance and importance, that Standford University acquired the non-exclusive rights to a song by the artist for a series of web documentaries. For an artist of an entirely DIY ethic, this is incredibly significant. I would just like to understand why the page was still deleted. I understand from article A7 that, "The criterion does apply if the claim of significance or importance given is not credible. If the claim's credibility is unclear, you can improve the article yourself, propose deletion, or list the article at articles for deletion" and am wondering if the page was deleted on the basis that the credibility is unclear. If so, I would truly appreciate any advice as to how to improve the claims credibility within the page. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glocknest (talk • contribs) 14:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I can't see why this is a claim to notability - under our definition of notability. Look at WP:BAND. I agree that from the band's point of view the song is of great significance, and while I feel there may be a possibility that it may lead to greater interest in the band and its work, under WP:CRYSTAL we can't take account of the unknown future. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia which records things of note that are or have been, not things that may be some day. Also, independent reliable sources are needed to show notability - not uni sites or ones connected to you. Another point is that the video in question appears to be made and used by the Stanford Alumni not the uni itself. This reduces its significance considerably as student activities are rarely of note - once again, our definition. Peridon (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)ou

Thank your for the quick and reasonable response, I had not been aware of WP:BAND, that article is helping me to understand why you opted to delete page. I did not realize this was an issue of notability, the article was marked for speedy deletion according to A7 which clearly states, "This is distinct from verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability ... The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines." Am I correct in saying than that your deletion is an issue of notability regarding WP:BAND and not that of Speedy Deletion criterion? If so, would I be allowed the opportunity by you to have the article brought back and moved to a sandbox for the chance to revise the article? After having read the notability criterion, I do feel that the artist meets at least the first criteria "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself," and would like the opportunity to collect and cite those sources. However, if that is simply something I should collect, cite and re-post as an entire new page, please let me know. As for the series of videos being used by the alumni rather than the uni, I see your point and agree that it is less considerable. However, after having read Stanford University's list of Student Groups, the Alumni Association is not a student group. Information from the Alumni's website indicates that it has 35 member Board of Directors and responsible for nominating 8 of the 34 Board of Trustees for the university. I only say all this because I understand that by wikipedia's definition of notability, student activities, such as university newspapers, rarely indicate notability, however, the Alumni Association being a prominent branch of the University (as noted by it's influence on the Board of Trustees) should not qualify as such. For this reason, would it be appropriate of me in the future to indicate the use of the song by "Stanford University's Alumni Association?" I also completely understand and agree that Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTAL ball, I'm just having trouble trying to understand what earnestly constitutes notability and how related artists such as Pomegranates (band) meet those criteria while others don't. I sincerely appreciate your time and response, you've addressed me respectfully and I really do thank you for that. Any response to my questions from here is greatly appreciated and anticipated. Glocknest (talk) 19:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 August 2011

Tripping Icarus

Hey, saw you recently deleted the page as an A7. I'm not contesting the deletion, but I do notice that its now a red-link, when I think it should be a re-direct to Chris Kluwe, where the band is mentioned (under the subheading Music). I'd originally created a re-direct, but then someone went ahead and tried to re-create the article. Would there be an issue with re-creating the re-direct? If its going to be an issue with the article being re-created, the re-direct could be protected. Thanks for your time. Umbralcorax (talk) 15:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem here. If it does have trouble, let me know (or if I'm away, WP:RFPP). Peridon (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
FYI- I've re-created the re-direct, and left a note on the re-direct's talk page about it, in the hopes that it might dissaude some well-meaning person who might try to create the article without it meeting A7 or notability. Umbralcorax (talk) 21:38, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Good idea. Peridon (talk) 21:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

UBX additions to your page

I've added yet another userbox to your page. Also, I think you'll laugh at this userbox I made. LikeLakers2 (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Umar Alisha Rural Development Trust

Dear Sir Can u guide me in creating the article in a better way so that it can be put in wikipedia and to bring to your kind notice that this is one and only of its kind that all the members do voluntary service and it has done a lot of social service activities and i have given even the links in the reputed news papers . kindly let me know your suggestions Regards Dr Ananda Kumar Pingali (talk) 16:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

You need to look at WP:NPOV. (Also look at other articles - see how they are worded.) Get rid of 'our', mission statements and such, and anything that if you saw it in someone else's work would be regarded as promoting that thing. Get down to the basics. Then you need reliable independent references. See WP:RS. You can link to your site, but it should not be used to establish the notability of the subject. (It can't establish it, because it is regarded as not reliable - anyone's own site is regarded as unreliable for this, whether it be mine or IBM's.) I'm not sure that the homeotimes links are independent enough of the subject here. Go for the Times of India or similar if possible. Once you've got the stuff in notes on your desk, re-create the article on a subpage of your userpage with DRAFT at the top. Then ask an admin or a regular editor for an opinion. Ask two of them to be sure. I've moved this to the bottom of the page - Wikipedia practice is new thread at the bottom. Peridon (talk) 19:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Dear Sir thank you very much for your reply and follow as u have suggested Regards Dr Ananda Kumar Pingali (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Help mate.

I want to create a page about Regatta, Tripoli, Libya. It is a compound within the capital of Libya. It has a unofficial archaeological site with things dating as far back as the Roman occupation of Libya. I was wondering if this information as well as some others would be significant to make a page about. I have pictures which I can include. If there is anything else that should be mentioned, please do so. Thanks Can Aus EU/Canauseu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canauseu (talk • contribs) 07:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Whatever it is, you will need reliable independent sources WP:RS. Not your research (or a website by whoever has been digging), not a blog or forum. Not every piece of antiquity has notability or value (I was visiting a dig a year or two back where there were English Civil War musket balls - they gave me one as a souvenir as they had loads), and not every site has notability. (That one did - very famous siege.) I don't know the standards for digs here, but WP:GNG might help find it. There's bound to be an Archaeological Project too - look on the talk page of some well known site and there'll be a link. You will get better advice from them. Try individual editors (selecting carefully to avoid edit warriors) rather than the talk page project. Often get more sense that way. Good luck, and thanks for offering. Peridon (talk) 18:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

inre User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines

You are cordially invited back to User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines as I feel it going live is imminent and I value additional eyes and input. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Might you join the discussion on the talk page about a suitable name? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I might, when the cider kicks in or I've had some sleep... Peridon (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Trotter Prize

Hi, Peridon. I found this article with a year-old notability tag. The Prize seems notable, though not prestigious as claimed by some bios of one recipient, Wm. Dembski. Recipients include Charles Hard Townes, Francis Crick, Roger Penrose, and Francis Collins. Another, Robert Shapiro, shows the award on his CV, as does Townes. Oxford noted Penrose's award. (I have not looked up every one.) This lists all recipients, and shows Townes to be on the steering committee. Most of these big guys actually went to Texas to lecture after receiving their award. I didn't find any who felt it beneath his dignity to accept it. My guess is that those editors who can't abide the thought of an overlap of science and religion and who hate ExxonMobil, a donor, don't like it.

You're much more a deletionist than I; so I leave this to you. The favor I'm asking is not to keep it, but to get rid of the tag by either keeping or deleting the article. Thanks! Yopienso (talk) 01:33, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Tag removed. I think it had been overlooked in a lot of editing and reverting. Peridon (talk) 00:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Ta for that. Yopienso (talk) 06:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

ArticleFeedback bug

You have reported that you disabled ArticleFeedback in your preferences but that it won't go away. I've tried to reproduce this and went as far as looking at your preferences in the database and trying to take them over best I could (disabling AFT, setting language to en-gb, and enabling all your Gadgets), but I still couldn't reproduce the issue.

So is this still happening to you? Which browser do you use? Could you try other browsers and see if it happens there as well (preferably browsers you've never used before)? I really hope this is browser-related. If it's not, it's most likely account-related, and in that case I fear the only chance I have of reproducing the bug is by taking over your account. But that's something I don't want to do without your explicit consent. --Catrope (talk) 13:04, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Just tried IE 8. (Ye gods, how I hate it!) Never used it on this machine. Last used IE in France a couple of months ago, on someone else's machine (which for some unaccountable reason appeared to be working in a mixture of French and Dutch - but that didn't worry me, as didn't the AZERTY keyboard). Feedback thing didn't appear. Doesn't come up in Opera 10.00 build 1750, either. (Don't use Opera either.) Normal operations are Windows XP Pro, with Firefox 3.5.17. (I won't upgrade until my addons are upgraded - I need my spell checker and tab killer.) I have AdBlock Plus, and TabKiller as addons. Other things running are AVG antivirus, Zone Alarm firewall, SpyBot S&d with TeaTimer, and WinPatrol. I have popups and third party cookies blocked. Java and JavaScript are enabled. Flash is not installed on the machine - at least, sites tell me it isn't of the grade they require and that I can install it by clicking here. I tell them (verbally) to go forth and multiply, and occasionally send a rude note to a webmaster pointing out how shortsighted it is to exclude people who don't want jazzy presentations but do want info. Don't think they understand. Peridon (talk) 00:41, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
One odd thing I noticed - I get my Twinkle buttons on Firefox and Opera, but not on IE8. Is that normal? Forgot to say I use Monobook skin as I strongly dislike the 'new look'. (I have XP Pro set to Classic too.) One thing with Twinkle or display in general - I put something in that abbreviated the buttons (discussion became talk). It seems to have gone and I can't find what it was. There's a thing in preferences about collapsing in Vector, but I don't use Vector. Peridon (talk) 10:53, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm totally with you regarding the hate for IE and AZERTY keyboards :) . So basically you're saying the bug occurs in FF 3.5 on XP, with some add-ons installed and some settings tweaked (although they sound like they should hide, not show, AFT if they interfered at all). You're using Monobook, which I forgot when I last tried reproducing. I'll see if I can reproduce with those things (Monobook and FF3.5/XP) in mind.
As to Twinkle on IE8, I wouldn't know, I don't use Twinkle and am not familiar with the code. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the author(s) had a "screw IE" attitude. I'm not familiar with the abbreviated buttons thing either; sounds like a Gadget. The collapsing in Vector thing is not related. --Catrope (talk) 13:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I tried Firefox 3.5.19 (closest I could get my hands on) in my XP VM, enabled Monobook and all your Gadgets, but I couldn't reproduce. Could you help me debug with Firebug?
  1. Install Firebug (a Firefox extension; the highest version I could find that's compatible with FF 3.5 is Firebug 1.5.4)
  2. Go to a Wikipedia page where the bug appears (i.e. you are logged in and have AFT disabled but it appears anyway)
  3. Click the Firebug icon in the bottom right corner of the Firefox window
  4. In the thing that pops up, go to the Console tab. If it says "Console panel is disabled", click the down arrow right next to the Console tab and click Enabled.
  5. You will now see a large-ish white area with a small box at the bottom where you can enter text. The text box is marked with >>> in blue text.
  6. Type mw.user.options.get('articlefeedback-disable') in the text box and press Enter.
  7. Send me a screenshot of your window after doing this, with the Firebug console visible (including the 'response' Firebug gives you) and the AFT widget scrolled into view
I'm sorry to ask so much of you, but I've exhausted all the other possibilities :( --Catrope (talk) 14:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

D'oh

I was in the process of declining User:Libertyadmin ...it will still violate WP:U because it's obviously related to the company that is their only topic of editing (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted myself and reset the block. Peridon (talk) 11:12, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Cheers. I think it was 1 of 3 edit conflicts on unblocks this morning :-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Deleted corlumeh

can i take it back, (has been speedy deleted for criterion A7,) i wanted to keep it on my user page, with my full name on it. I udnerstand i should've not done so.

I can put it into your userspace, but first would you please read WP:RESUME? And don't forget to sign posts on talk pages with ~~~~. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 14:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy of Edward Leo Krumpelmann

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Deryck C. 14:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Done :)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not about YOU Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Like it. I've done a quick copyed, and I hope you don't mind me adding a hamster. I do have one slight reservation, but haven't managed to get a way round it - the obvious username. I'm thinking in terms of WP:BEANS... Peridon (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Add the hamster. In the perfect AGF situation, someone might create a username "inspired" by something, and then it bites themn when they try to write about THAT something. No one would question a "User:Big Blast" simply editing anything about pancakes or crepes, but let him write about the Big Blast Pancake Corp, and the bells and whistles sound out. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Hamster already added. Beans was only a minor worry - if it's possible to stop some of the junk before it gets into mainspace, it'll be worth it. (Most of the patrollers will still spot the stuff...) Peridon (talk) 21:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
While the primer was a long time a-building (and yes, a work of love), WP:NAU practically wrote itself. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
The Copyeditor's Barnstar
I am honored to award you this Barnstar for your work in catching my typos and your valued assistance in bringing Wikipedia:A Primer for newcomers to life for the community. It is hoped that newcomers will benefit from WP:NewbieGuide for years to come. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:52, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 August 2011

Answer

I didn't. In fact, I didn't nominate it for deletion and hadn't even heard of it, so far as I know. From what I can see, you blanked it, which is normally taken to be a sign that deletion is requested, if it is done by the only contributor of content to the page. (If it's blanked by anyone else, it's usually assumed to be vandalism.) When you post on talk pages, would you remember please to start with a heading with two = things at each end, and finish off by signing with ~~~~ which puts your sig and a time stamp? Thanks. Peridon (talk) 16:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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Help with wikistalk

Hi! Can you help me decipher something, please? What do the numbers 451-458 represent? What does Similarity 2/2 [2,1] mean? Ta! And very best regards. Yopienso (talk) 00:14, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I haven't a clue. User:MZMcBride should be able to tell you - it seems to be one of his tools. Stalking is usually what people are accused of when they keep reverting a particular user's edits, but there are talkpage stalkers too. (Last time I looked, there were 50 users with this page on their watchlist, and some of them pop in to sort problems if I don't seem to be around.) This tool might be a way of measuring stalking, or something totally different like counting the use of the word 'stalk'. There are dozens of odd tools around that people like me and you never even get to hear of. I can't find instructions for this one. Hang on, think I've got something. It was probably used in connection with the SPI to correlate edits by both of you. Still don't know what it means, though. I didn't know about that SPI - I'd have done some digging myself if I had... Peridon (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
OK; here I thought you were practically omniscient. :D I further thought this came in the Gold Members' Admin's toolbag. Yes, they used it in the SPI to see if the alleged sock and I were editing in the same time and place. A veteran user said that's not how to identify a sock, and I pointed out lots of editors edit at the same time and place. Those numbers have advanced a few notches. ??? I'll ask McBride. An arbitrator ran a checkuser and cleared me, so all ended well, at least for me. The alleged sock got himself blocked due to behavior on a different article. I'm not sure if he was, in fact, a sock, or maybe an IP editor using a new account, or maybe just some poor newbie who didn't catch on to the rules fast enough. The first time--a couple of years ago, now--I tried editing on a controversial article it was so nasty I nearly quit. Dave souza coached me, bless him. Cheers! Yopienso (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)

Please review and comment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)
JohnLloydScharf (talk) 00:20, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

can you block spammers if you can

see the subject — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobbotjacob (talk • contribs) 11:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 August 2011

tHERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH VERIFIABLITY WITH WHAT i WROTE YOU CAN CONTACT ME AT (Redacted) TO DISCUSS THE PROBLEMS I AM AGAIN REQUESTING THAT YOU DO NOT DELETE MY ARTICLE OK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortblue (talk • contribs) 21:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Re-creation of deleted pages

  1. User talk:Jimmydeanss/Sky (skyswhatsup)
  2. User:Jimmydeanss/Skyswhatsup
Nothing in the remaining one - I'll keep a watch on it. Peridon (talk) 17:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Help with Deleted page Omniverse TV

  • Hi Peridon, not sure why Omniverse TV was deleted, or what I need to do to keep it active. Omniverse TV is an unwired network that is distributed over the air, internet and on Roku in the US. I see other channels that are also on Roku have Wikipedia pages, is there something they have that we are missing?

Thanks, Wyseguy82 (talk) 21:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't know about the others, but yours was worded promotionally ('offering' and 'Omniverse TV is a consumer and affiliate platform of new, different, entertaining and engaging family friendly movies' - whatever that means) and gave no indication of notability. And no references from independent reliable sources to back up the notability, either... It isn't always people's intent to promote, they are in business and have got into the habit of writing that way. (It can be counter-productive, in fact, as people not in business often can't understand it, and those who are in business can see through it.) Look at WP:NPOV, WP:RS and of course WP:CORP. (Then if the others don't match up, you can tag them...) But do remember to look at WP:COI as well - that's about writing about you and yours. Peridon (talk) 17:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Help with Deleted Masterbatters (kickball) page

  • Hi Peridon, I was creating the master batter page and didn't put in the groups work of creating charity kickball games. I was wondering what I would need to add/change before it would be a viable group. I thought with the standard information provided the page would be able to stand.

Thanks, Dpj731 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC).

Sorry, but I don't think there's anything you can add. It's not a question of categories or references - it's just plain simple notability. Have a look at WP:ATHLETE and see if you can make the team fit. The PSL Kickball championship isn't really notable enough, in my opinion. It's a purely local thing (OK, Philadelphia is quite big, but, with all due respect, kickball is quite small). I said references weren't the question - not for this deletion. If you can provide sufficient non-trivial, independent reliable sources, it might help - but only if you can show that local league amateur kickball is in any way notable in the first place. Over to you... Missed sig applied late Peridon (talk) 20:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Bambooforest12/Darrell Calkins

Hello,

Thank you for your response to my page.

I do believe the subject to be significant enough to be notable, but I recognize that my article was too bare and lacking secondary resources. Would you please remove your request for it to be deleted so I can go back and edit, expand, it? I see all the work is deleted, and I didn't save it elsewhere. I would appreciate it.

Thank you.

Bambooforest12 (talk) 22:49, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

It's so non-notable I've started watching it - will give it a week. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Getting Results the Agile Way

Thank you for your elaboration.

  • What are the examples of "the requirements for the showing of notability"?
  • Re: "It appears to be the only, or at least the main, book from the publisher" ... How did you come to that conclusion? Did I cite the book incorrectly? The publisher is Lightening Source which is a mainstream publisher with major distribution channels (in fact, many mainstream publishers use Lightening Source.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by InfoArtist (talk • contribs) 20:09, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
As I usually do, I looked on Amazon, who list 'Innovation Playhouse LLC' as the publisher. This appears to be a one-shot with a Meier as a co-founder. For notability, start with WP:GNG and WP:RS for the type of sources you need. Own sites, blogs, press releases (including prwire and similar companies), and Wikipedia cannot be used to show notability. (One spinoff from my use of Amazon in this way is that I occasionally find things that are not listed there. Their chances of achieving notability are remote. However, being listed there merely demonstrates existence. Mere existence does not equal article. Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS with regard to other pages - stuff slips in sometimes. I'll look when I get a moment. Peridon (talk) 20:22, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


Very good points and I like the fact you focus on details, accuracy, and precision.


I'm spending extra energy here because I expect when I write about Stephen Covey's method, John Wooden's method, and Edward de Bono's method, that it will be faster and easier, once I fully understand the criteria and common pitfalls.


These look like useful examples:

  • A review article, monograph, or textbook is better than a primary research paper
  • Academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources
  • Material such as an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community


I do have another question, but I don't want to change focus yet. In the spirit of this line of reasoning, I want to check your thinking on a piece of information that I did not see you address or point out. Specifically, the fact that the author has published multiple books with Microsoft Press since 2001. Your original analysis sounded as if J.D. Meier was a new author and wrote a self-published book.


This looks like an especially interesting point:

  • Self-published material may be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.


It's interesting because of the following point:

  • J.D. Meier is an established author of multiple books published by Microsoft Press.


This looks like the list of books he authored, that are published by Microsoft Press:

  • Building Secure ASP.NET Applications
  • Improving .NET Application Performance
  • Improving Web Application Security
  • Microsoft Application Architecture Guide
  • Team Development with Visual Studio Team System


The books are listed on the blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jmeier/ and available on Amazon. The books are also available on MSDN as authoritative works from the Microsoft patterns & practices group, which indludes peer revciews by industry experts.


None of the claims in the original page for Getting Results the Agile Way involve claims about third parties or events, and there does not seem to be any doubt about authenticity.


It looks like the correct source to cite is the actual book on Getting Results.com, and the source is from an established author for Microsoft Press, it seems reasonable that the page addresses the notable question.

InfoArtist (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

But are the books with Microsoft Press relevant to the subject in question here? There could be a scientist (call him Darles Charwin if you like), who has written many erudite scientific papers. Then out of the blue, he writes a romantic bodice-ripper, and publishes it himself. Is that book notable by itself, or possible just a note in his article (assuming he has one - rappers find it easier to get articles than do scientists...)? If Meier is notable for his work for MP, why isn't there an article about him? (Going to bed - haven't checked if there is, but his name wasn't blue linked so far as I can remember.) One last point - we're not disputing existence. Hoaxes are easy to sort, most of the time. But you can't use blogs, and must make reference to independent reliable sources. WP:RS. And coverage, not trivial mention or 90% quote 10% interviewer. Peridon (talk) 22:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


Thank you. Your precision is good, as well as your ability to differentiate important distinctions, and you have useful, accurate, and relevant links.

  • Relevancy is a good question. It looks like three books are on systems, and the Team Development book is on project management and software processes, including Agile methods. Here is a direct quote from chapter 2 of Getting Results the Agile Way, which looks like it draws from the experience: "Agile Results is a system for results. It’s a simple system optimized around time. It’s a collection of principles, patterns, and practices for getting results. It draws from lessons learned as well as from bodies of knowledge in project management, software engineering, and personal development."
  • Here is a review of Getting Results the Agile Way on Stepcase Lifehack.org, which is considered an authority site for life hacks, GTD, and the Pomodoro Technique: Productivity System Overview: “Getting Results the Agile Way” http://www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/productivity-system-overview-getting-results-the-agile-way.html (Which looks like it should be included in the References Section, as a 3rd party source.
  • It looks like Getting Results the Agile Way is also mentioned in a presentation by Scott Hanselman, who appears to be an authority in the space. He mentions the system alongside Stephen Covey, David Allen, and the Pomodoro Technique at http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HanselminutesPodcast268PersonalSystemsOfOrganizationReyBangoInterviewsScottHanselman.aspx.

InfoArtist (talk) 03:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


Peridon -- Based on the new information above, what are the key modifications to make to the article to make it a great example of a well-written Encyclopedic article? You can see it here at User:InfoArtist/Getting Results the Agile Way (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). InfoArtist (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

So far as I can see, Lifehack.org could be classed as a blog and also " Lifehack.org is a community" (their Twitter profile), and Hanselman has been deleted here four times (OK, make it three - the first was for not having enough content). Here's the second AfD discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Hanselman (2nd nomination). The problem with a 'community' is the same as Wikipedia's. WP is regarded worldwide as a pretty good authority on most things. We don't accept WP as a source because it is a community. Even though there is (as you have found out) very keen monitoring. We don't always know the monitoring levels elsewhere. Peridon (talk) 10:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Madrigals

Ah. Thank you for the catch - and explanation. J. Van Meter (talk) 21:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate you

I meant to thank you for your comment at my last RfA. It was thoughtful and well received. My76Strat (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't usually go neutral. I'm glad you came back as I think you could become a good admin - and do a good job anyway. I hadn't seriously thought about becoming an admin until Anthony B contacted me and suggested it. It's quit a lot different to what I expected - in the areas I work in there's one heck of a lot of explaining to do. (It's better than selling used cars - people can't thump you...) Anyway, as I said, give it a break from applying and get really established in people's minds (which is what I seem to have done by accident). Established the right way, that is. Peridon (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Dorial Green-Beckham

I just want to thank you for deleting the article Dorial Green-Beckham without any warning whatsoever. I have no way to recover the information I wrote that I could I easily expanded on. Now if I want to rewrite the article, I have to start from scratch. Your such a great administrator and I commend you on your I don't care about the hard work other editors do attitude. Did you bother to read the artice? Obviously not because you would of saw it was a notable person that is the top wide receiver recruit in the country. Just do a damn simple Google search on him. Philipmj24 (talk) 22:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I did bother to read the article, brief as it was. I saw a high school athlete with possible potential. See WP:CRYSTAL about what hasn't happened yet. Please also see WP:ATHLETE for our policy on sportspeople. If you can demonstrate that he meets the policies, including WP:RS (reliable sources} - but be aware that being still at high school this won't be as easy as if he were a professional - the article can be restored. I will happily do that - if you can provide some evidence that meets our requirements. Peridon (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 August 2011

Not important or segnificant

I recently made a page, which was deleted in like 4 minutes, I didn't even get the time to write anything about it. I got a message saying that it wasn't important or segnificant. Perhaps if you gave me the chance to write the page you will understand what segnificants it has. I noticed the same thing happened to another article about an "Unpublished/finished" book, that was also deleted. I see no point in creating pages if they are just going to be constantly deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe Grist (talk • contribs) 17:47, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I deleted it nine hours after it was tagged. It didn't show any significance, and we get quite a few articles that are started and then abandoned. As it stands now, you need to add references complying with WP:RS - not the company site, or blogs, forums and press releases. As the site in question is given as having started yesterday, I think this may be hard. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and not a directory. Not every company, individual or site gets an article. You have to show why this should. Look at WP:GNG, but don't forget the references... Peridon (talk) 18:16, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
I see there is a discrepancy - the infobox says April but the article says August. Three months might see some reliable sources. Yesterday wouldn't... Peridon (talk) 18:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
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