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ref function improvements

Appreciate your initiative on this.Cheers -- Samir धर्म 01:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The poll

Hey Niko!

I'm too lazy to read all those bullet points, what exactly is the poll about? Do they want to switch back to the old refs system? If that's true, I'd probably oppose. I like the refs the way they are now, personally. Adios. —Khoikhoi 00:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, ok. I wasn't aware that there were any bugs. —Khoikhoi 17:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll close it when I get home from work (5pm UTC). - FrancisTyers · 14:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Christ man! that is pretty hideous. Actually I previewed like 4-5 times before I arrived at that. Gradually making it lighter. I've posted the results to here, I also upped the priority. Thanks for doing the poll :) - FrancisTyers · 20:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

We should add the rest to Bugzilla too, and to vote there. I suggest a division of labour, one of us registers the bugs, one of us informs the voters. If you agree, which would you prefer? - FrancisTyers · 21:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, give me half an hour or so... - FrancisTyers · 21:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Here we are:

  1. http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6309 http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271
  2. http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6310 (fixed) — apparently feasible in CSS.
  3. http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5384 (fixed)
  4. http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6311
  5. http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312
  6. http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5885

Check that the last one is right.

I've not voted for all of them yet, but give me a bit longer and I will, I'm about to grab something to eat... If I've missed anything out, drop me a note, or add a comment yourself. - FrancisTyers · 21:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

And voted. - FrancisTyers · 21:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you post the list in a new heading on the talk page, and after you've checked them, let me know if I've missed something. - FrancisTyers · 21:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Haha :) I'm actually eating now, my rice took longer to cook than expected ;) - FrancisTyers · 22:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm slightly confused. You want me to file a bug along the lines of comment #7 here ? - FrancisTyers · 23:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Test for footnotes section

[1]

Body text

foo foo foo[1]

goo goo goo[2]

References

  1. ^ a b this is a foo reference
  2. ^ this is a goo reference

Your signature

Hello there, I was wondering if you would please modify your signature to conform to the guidelines laid out at Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages.The general guidelines are that signatures shouldn't contain images, they shouldn't contain unnecessary internal links or any external links, and they shouldn't be unnecessarily long in Wiki source.The reasoning for this final bit is that overly long signatures tend to overwhelm the actual comments in edit mode, making it hard to track down and respond to specific comments.You can fix your signature by removing any images and external links, any unnecessary links (like links to Wikipedian organizations, articles, or subpages in userspace), and removing excessive color, font, and formatting code.Thank you. --Cyde↔Weys 12:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

That's the pot calling the kettle black ;-) --Telex 13:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


(copy from Cyde↔Weys' talk:)


Used to be:

 NikoSilver  (T) @ (C)

Now is:

:NikoSilver:

I shrunk about half. Please vist my signature shop and its talk for details on the issue. (I am a little bit of a deranged schizo myself so don't push it further please!) :-) :NikoSilver: 17:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


WikiLove!

Here's a burrito for you! Burritos promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving something friendly to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Make your own message to spread WikiLove to others using Template:smile! Happy editing! ―Linux|erist 18:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Macedonism

Can you comment on this article? Some very strong opinions for deletion were put forward.   /FunkyFly.talk_   15:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I declare ignorance. I had read the article when you created it. I just noticed some concerns by Francis in the talk and your answers. Where were those strong opinions for deletion put forward? Can I read the rationales? :NikoSilver: 20:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Civil

Please do not say "WTF" on wikipedia to other users.You have the opurtunity to undo things you say here that you don't have in real life. [1] --E-Bod 18:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should just not stick your nose in other people's talks and read WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not censored. You have the opportunity to undo mentoring. And by the way, you just put 'WTF' in my talk-page. Kindly avoid using it in my talk page because it is insulting only if used by you.
PS. I meant World Taekwondo Federation, WTF did you mean? :NikoSilver: 19:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Censorship and commenting on some body's word choice are 2 different things.
  1. I have noting against Anglo-Saxon words over the French.However I believe both should be avoided when alternatives are available.
  2. I apologize for miss interpreting what you said.I had no clue you meant to say
    "And [ World Taekwondo Federation ] does any of these have to do with a skunk?".
    • FYI (For Your Information) a noun makes no sense in the context.Don't kid yourself.
  3. Your Tone of writing is Very Aggressive.Lighten up.No need to be so aggressive.
  4. Maybe you should read Wikipedia:Profanity.I am well aware of what WP:NOT and was going to give you a like to it to explain to you the fallowing things but I decided not be be an instruction M:Instruction creep.You are allowed to Include Profanity, however this is in Articles.WP:NOT is not an excuse to be uncivil and curse at people.You could have very easily replaced "And WTF does" with the much more civil "And what does" so you are not covered under the WP:NOT, however i am sorry for suggesting a different moral to you. Fell free to Smoke and have indiscriminate sex.I am not in a position to tell you what to do with you life.
  5. The user talk page is not a one on one talk between you and the other wikipidia. I had left a message on that user's talk page early and checked back for a reply only to see your attack on that user.Putting profanity Prominently on your user space is questionable.Putting it on somebody Else's user space is unacceptable.
A legitimate example of non prominent profanity legitimately (according to WP policy) placed on the user space is [[User:Cyde/Weird pictures]].Hover Cyde (an admin) does not have profanity on his Userpage or talk.It is only on a sub page that is carry out of view of the easily offended and so users don't get there by accident.Leaving a [[User:Cyde/Weird pictures|hidden]] link to that page is unacceptable not only because of obvious reasons, but we don't allow any hidden links on wikipedia.
You Are entitled to your profanity only where appropriate.The policy will explain what we think is appropriate and you will have wide support in Manny cases.However the Policy does not protect you for using profanity to be unable to a fella wikipidia and is her so users don't go on some champagne and destroy all the articles on sensitive subjects.
Please don't because some M:Instruction creep.If you want me to Point to every single policy then i can.But don't look at one policy and think in entitles yo to do another.for inside the WP:3RR does not entitled you to 2 reverts.
I Quoted your "WTF" and that is allowed under Wikipedia:Profanity.However your original "WTF" had the non offensive "what" as an alternative so you did violate Wikipedia:Profanity, yet i was only suggesting something to you.Don't be a hot head.
To make the policy simple to you.On a page about a president, to witch nudity would not come to mind when we think of the name, an image of a nude lady with the presidents face Photoshopped on would only be appropriate in the article if that image was talked about in the article, for instance the image may be famous or we may be talking about an internet phenomenon where people take the faces of presidents and superimpose them on naked women.This WP:Not censored is about Skipping community consensus to remove profanity.Many pages with profanity have chosen the rout of including mild images in the article and linking to less mild image when it depicts what the article is about.I did not include a link to the pages i am talking about because i do not want my userspace becoming associated with that world of wikipedia via What links here.This is a side of wikipedia that some support while others have agreed to let it be it's one world and to separate themselves from it.Please note i did not censure your comment, i only requested you consider revising it.I was not Expecting you do defend you right to be uncivil
In case you are wondering I actually do support wikipedia not being censured, however i do not support unsanitary uncivil words towards innocent other users, yet I still respect that we come from different backgrounds and so live by different standards.I do not support words like "darn" because while the Anglo Saxon word is offences.the French word is just as Obnoxious as to clam your language is better than the common man's.One should just be happy with what life dishes out.I say "Oh well" but that is my person preference.I am allowed to make suggestions to you on your talk page.No reason to jump at me with various policies that don't even support what you are saying.

--E-Bod 06:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Small world

Wow!I'd Just like to Point out the coincidence that Cyde (The person with the Not Censured page) happened to have left message on your talk page.LOLAnd by the way.Your Claim that you did not mean what i though you meant is unacceptable because you did mean what i thought you meant because what you claim you meant does not fit into the syntax of the sentence.Have a great day Great new Addition to our Collective Collection of Knowledge (GNATOCCOF)--E-Bod 06:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Your apparent medium level in English does not allow you to understand that "What the fuck does this have to do with that" is not a curse to an innocent user, but rather an emphasis on the word "what". There is no other way to emphasize "what" more effectively in common English. Please just leave the issue there. I will be glad to correct your spelling/grammar mistakes in your userpage to make you understand what I mean, if you give me permission. BTW, in the same sense I could give you the same advice: WTF are the words "screw up" doing in one of your userboxes? Don't you know that it is exactly synonymous to "fuck up"? So, peace? :-) :NikoSilver: 12:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
You are 100% right.It Does not sound like your are cursing.It sound like you are a Hot Head that is ready to fight Anybody who they disagrees with.This is not a Censorship issue but rather a WP:COOL issue.I am against the sensership of thier person.If you have to quoe a book .English is my first and Only Fluent Language.as far as Emphasising What.There is no need to.If you really need to Verbally you can Emphasis it or write you can emphasis with Bold such as What.However there is no need to SHOUT
I Had no Clue you would defend your right to use Profanity on other User's talk page.This is Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Examples lists "Profanity directed at another contributor" as Unacceptable conduct.Help:Talk page#Basic rules for all talk pages lists it is uncivil to Don't SHOUT (Which is what you are using "Fuck" to do).You have Personally Attacked my English.I though i made this clear but i will re say it in case i forgot, I totally respect your Background and have no desire to Oppress one word choice over the other.I was just Suggesting something to you.I Can't believe you would actually Defend your edit.When i make a mistake i try to Acknowledge my mistake.Not Deny it.Your Lying and saying you meant World Taekwondo Federation Is Totally Unacceptable.
When talking about the book The Catcher in the Rye, you can't avoid talking about "the bits of 'fuck you' graffiti".It would be Inappropriate to change it to "the bits of '[FU]' graffiti".However going to the talk page and telling people to go F themselves because you disagree with them in inappropriate.Again I respect your Background but Please realize you are not Covered under our no censorship policy and you are violating our WP:COOL and WP:Civil Policies and possible even our censoring policies for using shorthand to leave your curses Ambiguous instead of Being Proud and Direct on what you have to say.
I am not imposing my personal beliefs or values.on you.I am only letting you know you are Violating Policy and I am Giving you Enough warnings. so that you can not claim you were never warned.Because of this
Do I need to give you a {{subst:Npa3}} because you have been warned before User talk:NikoSilver/Archive 1#Please help.Because it was a long time ago i will give you a{{subst:Npa}}.Just so future users don't have to keep swimming Good faith as if you were totally Ignorant to the issue.You have been waned.
As far as my userbox saying "Screw up".I'm not against censorship.My "Screw up" is directed at me.Telling someone else they screwed up is questionable.More civil language can be used.As far as correcting spelling on my page.Thank you.If you want to go right ahead.Just make sure not to change the meaning of what i was saying.I have been previously warned about my spelling problem, and i am sorry it is inhibitng my effective communication with you. Please don't disrespect what i say because of my spelling disabilities.--E-Bod 16:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

NPA

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --E-Bod 16:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

When warning one of personal attacks, it is common to specify where the alleged personal attack was made. Otherwise, I'm afraid it's useless. Don't rely on your believing that it is obvious - you must first be sure that it is equally obvious to everyone else, especially someone like NikoSilver whose mother tongue is not English. --Tēlex 17:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Yskyflyer is overreacting against Niko's use of "WTF" somewhere on a talk page - It wasn't even directed at him, or at anybody else specifically for that matter. It was - as usual for Niko - in the context of a friendly, humourous chat [2]. Please, Yskyflyer, accept that not everybody here on WP is necessarily as prudish about use of language as some people are. And this "warning" of yours is totally off the mark, as whatever Niko was doing there, he wasn't "attacking" anybody. Don't know if you've noticed, Yskyflyer, but Niko is one of the most friendly, good-humoured people around here. I recommend you just forget about this all, or people might start seeing you as trolling. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry.I took it too far and should have assumed good faith.It's hard for me not to reply to what people say.However am I totally wrong or is there a drop of merit it what I said?--E-Bod 03:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, I am sorry.However N! never told me he was only joking he told me was

Your apparent medium level in English does not allow you to understand that "What the fuck does this have to do with that" is not a curse to an innocent user, but rather an emphasis on the word "what". There is no other way to emphasize "what" more effectively in common English. Please just leave the issue there.

He commented that MY English was not good.Not that I should cut him some slack because he is not a native English speaker. Anyway the Above is not a Personal Attack.I don't know what I was thinking.However I am a Native US English Speaker.In fact i am a Monolingual.I just don't understand how somebody who learned to speak English as a second language would talk like that.I guess In retrospect I was complainning about His misquoting of Policy and his Lying to me that he used WTF to meant something other than "What the Fuck".I should have fallowed what I was saying.I misued NPA.--E-Bod 03:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I am really sorry and embarrassed for my actions and comments.Thank you Tēlex and Fut.Perf for pointing this out to me.I should have read the whole initial conversation at User talk:I do not exist#Skunk.After leaving my first warning to you based on my initial misinterpreting, I did not understand the nature of your reply.I should have been more careful.I assumed bad faith and thought you were lying when you said you meant World Taekwondo Federation because I didn’t realize you were giving a riddle and your link to WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not censored made me think you were defending your right to talk that way when talking about some edit dispute.That was not a reply to an edit dispute but a riddle.I is obvious I am wrong and the diff can speak for it’s self.--E-Bod 04:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

"overreacting" is an understatement.I had no clue what was going on because I rushed to get my warning out and did not go back to look at what i was warning about.--E-Bod 04:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Forget it man, maybe I came too hard on this anyway. Initially I had assumed you had not read exactly the content of the message or not understood it and that's what I tried to tell you, using a much stronger tone than needed though. For the record, I had an English speaking nanny ever since I was born, finished an English-speaking school and went to an American College for my BBA. My TOEFL score before I went to college was 604 (top 1% among native and non-native speakers). Oh, and I prefer to watch DVD's with no subtitles, or English subtitles in case I miss a word due to pronounciation! ;-)So maybe I am too modest with my en-4 babel-box, but I guess I would lie if I said that I am a native! :NikoSilver: 07:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks--E-Bod 22:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

Boris na dis auto: Macedonia (region)#Demographics ke na sholiasis.--Tēlex 20:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

To diabasa molis kai nomizw symfwnw se ola. Nomizw mono oti leipei o ari8mos twn Ellhnwn (gia tous boreious leei oti einai 1.3ek). :NikoSilver: 20:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Den katalava. --Tēlex 20:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

A, ya ton arithmo ton Ellinon stin El. Makedonia les. Den kserume - den iparhun statistika. --Tēlex 20:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Plaka kaneis? :-) Pantws sygxarhthria, poly kalo to section! :NikoSilver: 20:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ohi, den kano plaka. Stin teleftea apografi, i El. Makedonia ihe plithismo 2,625,681 atoma. To provlima ine oti den kserume posi ap' aftus ine Ellines (the prepi na aferesume tis mionotites, tus metanastes ke tus turistes/biznesmen), ara oti vyi tha ine WP:OR.--Tēlex 20:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

To agapimeno mu stihio ine pu leme oti i Skopianoi ehun mionotita Ellinon ikosi hiliades ke ekato hiliades Bulgarus :-) na mathun pos ine otan ehis sovinistes na su lene oti ehis mionotites (i opiies stin pragmatikotita ine aniparktes). --Tēlex 20:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Episis, eftyaxa to Minorities in Greece. Des to ke pes mu ti gnomi su. --Tēlex 20:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha, nai! Gia to allo, grapse akribws ayto pou mou egrapses:
Stin teleftea apografi, i El. Makedonia ihe plithismo 2,625,681 atoma. To provlima ine oti den kserume posi ap' aftus ine Ellines (the prepi na aferesume tis mionotites, tus metanastes ke tus turistes/biznesmen)
Ly8hke (shm: mporeis kai na pros8eseis ekeino to 'largely homogenious' apo to ar8ro gia ta minorities sthn Ellada)!
PS Edit-conflict, alla apo oti katalabes ki ayto to exw diabasei! :NikoSilver: 20:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Tha do ti boro na kano ;-) --Tēlex 20:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ba, diafono tora. Anigume poliploka pragmata - leo na to afisume opos ine. Den iparhi piyi pu lei oti i El. Makedonia ine homogenous, ke opos kseris, iparhun poli Albanoi (metanastes), Tsinganoi, Vlachoi, Armenioi, Ebreoi, ke i Slavophonoi. Opos ke na to pas, de prokete ya homogenous periohi, ke den ehume idea ya pii apo afti ine i den ine Ellines (meriki ke ap' tus Albanus metanastes ine Ellines Boreioipirotes). --Tēlex 21:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, ennoeis oti den ta anoigoume emeis, apla einai psiloanoixta apo thn wra pou oi ka8ysterhmenoi poy mas kybernoun panta den a3iwnontai na kanoun mia apografh pou na ta 3edialynei. Telos pantwn, den diafwnw, alla OR/3e-OR, sigoura oi Ellhnes einai panw apo 2,2ek. Apla oi politikoi tous nomizoun oti petane akontia enw petane boomerang! :NikoSilver: 22:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Boris na kanis rv sto Accession of the Republic of Macedonia to the European Union. --Tēlex 14:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Γεια αδελφέ

Η διεύθυνση μου είναι: deucalionite33[at]yahoo[dot]com

Óποτε μπορείς στείλε μúνημα. Δεν με πειράζει εαν επικοινωνείς μαζί μου γράφωντας στα ελληνικά. Óμως απαντώ πιο γρήγορα γράφωντας στα αγγλικά. Χάρηκα που σου μίλησα αδελφέ. Πάντα να είσαι καλά και αντίο. Deucalionite 00:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Gia Niko

Me sinxoreis pou sou ktipo tin porta. Xriazome ligi voithia. (den mporo na vro to email sou). Ean exeis ligo xrono kai tin kalosini mporeis se parakalo na mou steileis ena minima sto angelossts at yahoo dot com. Exxei sxesi me afti ti selida[[3]]. Se exfaristo poli, Aristovoulos 10:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Warned

I've warned him, next time he does it I'll block. PS. I like what you've done with your sig! :)) I wonder where you got that idea from *looks around* :) - FrancisTyers · 10:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I had it made in a shop. Seriously, if the company I run in real life bankrupts or something, are people going to blame my secretary or sales manager or CFO? Who selected them? Who controls them? Ofcourse there will be those that will argue that it didn't go bankrupt in the first place, but unpaid employees, suppliers and banks will disprove it... :NikoSilver: 11:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


I did not get involved in the case, the 'personal attacks' and the whole revert- edit-wars... but i could not help myself leaving a comment after what i read: Considering the place of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk in the hearts of the Turks, any attack made to him or his work can as well be considered a personal attack to any Turkish citizen (not relevant but likely attacking one's religious beliefs)... why does this remind me of Stalinism, Maoism and every extreme form of 'personal adorance' (προσωπολατρεία-Niko translate it better, for i can't:)...) of a leader? come on people! he was a politician, for God's sake! he wasn't a saint! --Hectorian 12:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
It's called a personality cult. --Tēlex 13:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha, just logged-in again. There goes your en-3 allegation, crypto-en-N and polyglot freak that you are, Telex!:NikoSilver: 13:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Kemal

Nomizo oti ine kali idea na min prozvalis tus Turkus sto Talk:Kemal Atatürk. Oti ke na kanun afti, dini ashimi endiposi ya tus Ellines. Des ti tu egrapsa sti selida sizitisis tu (ke praxe analogos). --Tēlex 14:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Huh? Who deleted your comments? —Khoikhoi 19:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Hahahahahahaha! —Khoikhoi 02:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Important question

Hello neighbour,what's the best Ouzo brand in Greece?I have 12 but I would think Tsantali was better?Sorry but I can't keep myself to read that brand as Çantalı... --Gokhan 10:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi neighbour! What's wrong with reading it as "Çantalı" anyway? You're making it sound like I'd mind if it were Turkish rather than Greek (I really don't know, is it?). That's not the case, personally I am proud of our oriental heritage, for which Ottomans have contributed a lot (as we have also contributed in yours). Apart from "12" and "Tsantali", other popular brands are "Plomari" (Ouzo Isidórou Arvanítou Plomaríou from Mytilene) and "Mini". I usually drink "Plomari", because it has a smoother taste.:NikoSilver: 11:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Nice, thanks! My wife went to Athens for business and brought me some Mastika and Metaxa besides 12.I only tried 12 yet which was very fine.By the way since the privatization of the state monopoly, lots of Raki brands emerged in Turkey, also the bottles are nicer now.I just read in the newspaper a company launched a new sort of Raki with mastic, I didn't try it yet but I thought maybe it's similar to Mastika?Anyway maybe we can send each other a bottle?!--Gokhan 12:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure! I'll try to locate whatever you like! E-mail me for details if you wish. BTW, did you know that what you call "Raki", we call it "Ouzo", and what we call "Raki" is a beverage mainly produced in Crete, also called "Tsikoudia" and similar to Italian "Grappa"? We also have "Tsipouro" here if you'd like a taste. :NikoSilver: 12:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes I've read about the drink called Raki in Greece sometime ago and was surprised. The article was saying the name could come from the name of the grapes Razaki or something, but probably it's the same word as in here.The Raki article say it comes from Arrak in Arabic.I like Ouzo as well, I lived some time in Europe and I had a lot of Ouzo with my friends at Greek restaurants.I think for me it depends on the mood: If I'm alone or happy or nostalgic I prefer Ouzo, for big gatherings or depressed times Raki goes better... I can send you some Raki samples from Turkey in return, if we exchange drinks.--Gokhan 13:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

That'd be nice. I'll also make a nice package with the different kinds I like here. On your mood comment, I drink Ouzo mainly with sea-meze in coastal tavernas with friends, mostly during lunch time. Tsikoudia usually replaces grappa after dinner and is drunk in shots here. They all go with friends! I forget how you say "Cheers" in Turkish. In Greek is "Stin ygeiá sou" (to your health), often truncated to simple ,,'geia sou" or ,,'geia mas" (our health) or "ygeía" (health). You can use any of these on occasion. :NikoSilver: 13:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

"Cheers" is "Şerefe" in Turkish, short version of "Şerefine" probably, meaning "[I'm drinking] To your honour".However as I like a cheerful/live and fast-paced table, myself I prefer "Haydi Allah boş duranı sevmez" (Come on, God doesn't like lazy people / slackers), "Camiye mi geldik?" (Are we in a mosque?), "Şükür kavuşturana" (Thank God we are together again [while starting the first sip with a person you see after longtime]) or "En kötü günümüz böyle olsun" (Let our worst day be like today). We also say "Sağlığına" (to your health) sometimes which I don't use too much.I'll keep the Greek versions in mind.I also drink Rakı with friends, with mostly sea-meze, aubergine/yogurt meze variations and fish. However it sometimes goes well with spicy meat kebaps but again with mezes (off course) to start with.This ritual is mostly done in the evenings.During holidays lunch off course better if the sun is up.It's not a woman drink in Turkey. And the mood is spoiled if someone drinks beer or wine at the table.There are some people who drink it only with white cheese and mellons.After the meal and drinks, we drink Turkish coffee and some deserts are eaten.Usually just before going home it is customary to have "İşkembe Çorbası" (tripe soup) Shkembe.I'll start preparing your package, do you want me to start the email channel to discuss further details?--Gokhan 13:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I'll send an e-mail now if you've registered one. If not, I'll wait for yours. You know... unlike, maybe, our governments, we don't need protocol to communicate! You seem like a nice person and I find many cultural similarities (again) with a friendly Turk like you. I also liked your userpage. :NikoSilver: 14:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey I just saw this message.Thanks for the kind words, same sentiments here...!Maybe one day we can share a meze/ouzo/raki table...who knows?--Gokhan 14:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha! Why not? It won't be the first time I've taken the chance for a cultural exchange! Also, keep in mind the series of Yabancı Damat are a great success here too! My favorite actor is Erdal Özyagcılar who reminds me of Labros Konstandaras and Dionyssis Papayannopoulos who were my favorite Greeks with similar temper! Unfortunately all these links are red... :NikoSilver: 14:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I created his article for you... see Erdal Özyağcılar.It's not too much at the moment but we can improve it later.It may need some research time because it's not easy to find info on him.(I corrected the last name in the Yabancı Damat article, the "g" should be "ğ")I also like him and remember his roles in movies and series when I was a child.I didn't watch his latest series though, including the one you mentioned.I saw some scenes with the Greek inlaws only and was fun.--Gokhan 04:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Abusing our names

(moved from Politis talk)

Hi Politis, what's your thoughts about that new sockpuppet of Erdogan Cevher, NikosPolitis (talk · contribs)? You think he's trying to impersonate you? I reported him yesterday at WP:ANI, but no admin has yet taken action on him. If you feel bothered by the guy, you might add something there, I think cases like that get indef-blocked routinely. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing it out. I am convinced that NikosPolitis (talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet using (abusing?) the name of two bonafide contributors - one of them being myself. I would be greatful if administrators considered blocking this suspected sockpuppet. Politis 11:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Reported at ANI again and at WP:RFCU. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, if that other "bonafide contributor" is implied to be me, then I seriously object the insulting characterisation! :NikoSilver: 13:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, with regard to the sockpuppet who, presumably, abused us, I was thinking of you as the other 'victim' but did not want to refer to your name without your permission. Politis 13:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you seriously think I am "bonafide contributor"? You must be on drugs! :-):NikoSilver: 13:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Νίκο, μήπως πειράζει αν τους φωνάζουμε (έτσι χαϊδευτικά, ξαδελφικά και σαν γείτονες)γειτονοσκοπιανούς? :) Politis 13:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Αν φωνάζεις τον γείτονά σου και την ξαδέρφη σου χαδιάρικα γειτονοαποπούναι, τοτε μάλλον δεν πειράζει. :NikoSilver: 14:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Peloponnesians

Hi Niko, can you tell me why there is an article Peloponnesians (Greek)? First, anything in that article could just as well be (or is already) in Peloponnese. So, it's basically a POV fork, only that it doesn't even express a different POV. Second, the "(Greek)" addition doesn't really make much sense, because there's nothing to disambiguate from. Or is there? Are you planning Peloponnesians (Fallmerayerian Slavs), Peloponnesians (AlbaniansArvanites)... ? -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha, no. I didn't create the article in the first place, I just tried to save it from deletion. The contents were ridiculous and I took what I considered would be applicable from Peloponese. How can it be a POV fork, without including one? Also, the name was kinda silly. Feel free to move it to Peloponnesians. I wouldn't mind if it were merged within Peloponnese either, but I think those guys have contributed a lot in the Greek history and probably deserve an article of their own (with more complete content though). Any info from your part to add to it? :NikoSilver: 13:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Greeks

Hi, what do you think of my handy work at Greeks? --Tēlex 16:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking to you there. Great job so far! :NikoSilver: 14:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


User:Jack O'Lantern

I believe User:Jack O'Lantern has misinterpreted the policy in claiming that to include a person on a a list of xxx Americans, they specifically have to be described as that. Even if they are described as having an xxx parent/grandparent, unless they are described specifically as xxx American by themselves or by somebody else Jack has said he will exclude them from the lists which to me seems ridiculous. I would appreciate your input at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Is_deductive_reasoning_original_research.3F. Regards Arniep 17:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Jesus! I need two days just to read what you've written there! I've just inserted my opinion and will go on from there...:NikoSilver: 14:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


3RR

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Goce Delchev. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. the above applies to me also. We don't want 3RR casualties on such a WP:LAME edit war. --Tēlex 15:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Skopia

Des auto to arthro ya ta Skopia [4]. Tus lipame, kseris. --Tēlex 11:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Egw na deis... Den exoun katalabei oti 8a mporousame na eimaste oi pio eilikrineis tous filoi. Den exoun katalabei pws doulebei h olh istoria kai den exoun kai kanenan me paromoia empeiria na tous symboulepsei, giati thn exoun dei enantiwn olwn... Makari na tous fwtisei o 8eos (kai tous allous o Allah)...:NikoSilver: 15:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


Russian architecture

Please have a look, in its present (version 17:06, 4 July 2006) form the article looks reasonable, in my view. What is your opinion?--AndriyK 17:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of Irish-Americans

Hi, I am contacting you as you have expressed interest in these lists. Recently some users have placed conditions for inclusion on these lists that many users find unreasonable. Currently, no common sense is permitted in judging whether a person should be on the list. Even if a person is sourced as having both parents born in X Country, or if they say "my family is X", or "I have X blood" we still can't list them. Many users disagree with Jack'O Lantern and other users who have adopted this position. For more discussion related to this and proof many people disagree see Talk:List of Estonian Americans, Talk:List of Greek-Americans, Talk:List of Polish-Americans, Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Is_deductive_reasoning_original_research.3F, Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#ethnicity.2C_hyphenation.2C_and_membership, Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Deductive_inferences_in_OR. Please also see the continuing discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of Irish-Americans. Thanks Arniep 10:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

If you don't wish to read through all that please state your support or opposition for my proposal here Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Thanks! Arniep 11:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

X-American list proposal Poll

Hi Niko,

Irish-American poll has now been renamed to Greek-American poll being conducted here Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans which your vote might be needed. Thanks! Regards. ;) ~ Mallaccaos 7 July 2006

Hey, I had a look and spoke my mind, you know about the other surveys? - FrancisTyers · 23:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
...and I responded, but I doubt it is the right place for these rants...:NikoSilver: 23:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Well yeah, but of course there is no officially :) PS. Did you see my note to Telex re: the other poll? - FrancisTyers · 23:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for calling in but I don't agree, so it's better not to vote. I left a comment though--Kalogeropoulos 23:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Francis: Which other poll? I thought they were all closed. :NikoSilver: 00:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Look at the dates. ;) - FrancisTyers · 00:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Des il tah. --Tēlex 21:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Koita poios milaei...:NikoSilver: 21:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Kala einai topa

Ti kanis! eimai poli arrousti! alla topa einai to spiti pali.

User:Hellenic Republic

I propose you remind the Skopjie-ans not to WP:POINT, or WP:POLITICS, as well.Talk to an admin if they insist. Όλα είναι Δρόμος, Νίκο... Ρίξε και μια βουτιά για μας που πείζουν μπροστά σε έναν υπολογιστή. Project2501a | ΑΝΥΠΟΤΑΞΙΑ, ΑΠΑΛΛΑΓΗ, Ι-5 06:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Ρίξε μια ματιά στο Zamanfou, και ψήφισε άν θέλεις.

No bitching

:-( kai tora pou efigan oi barbaroi... ti kanoume? Politis 13:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Pame gia mpanio ki emeis? :NikoSilver: 13:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Ee, pame... perno kai ta pedila - etsi gia taxitita bas kai peso se kanena karxaria... Politis 15:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

I got your note, and will get back to the article as soon as I can.My house was hit by lightening, zapping phones, computers, cable modem and more.I have one slow dialup on an old laptop.I'll try to get to it later today, as I'm still dealing with household damage.Sandy 11:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

"Qualified support. It's a good.... something. Not quite an article, nor a list. It's useful, well made. Maybe it's the first featured disambiguation page? Whatever. It's good enough that it deserves to be a featured something. Let me know when you decide what that is. Sabine's Sunbird talk 06:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)"

:)) - FrancisTyers · 22:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah! We'll list it in FSC! Have you thought what this "something" is?:NikoSilver: 22:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I award NikoSilver this Barnstar for his awesome work at providing everyone who asks with an awesome signature - this kind of dedication and friendliness is unsurpassed.  Killfest2  11:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Peloponnesians again

We talked about that Peloponnesians (Greek) article the other day, right? I think if you don't mind I'll actually propose it for deletion. It really doesn't contain anything that isn't already in Peloponnese. It's basically just the history section ripped out. And the title is so weird that it really doesn't serve as a useful redirect either. I'll be bold and just PROD it, if you object you can easily de-PROD. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that article's pointless. Such names were not used for people from part of the original Greek state formed in 1830. An article Epirotes (Greek) would have been more useful, and would have aided us in using the Boreioepirote Greeks in order to make irredentist claims to southern Albania ;-) --Tēlex 11:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget the Constantinopoliotes (Greek). Go ahead Fut.Perf., shoot those Peloponnesians mercilessly. I am really bored (and possibly incapacitated) to find more data on them. I thought that they were notable enough since they contributed a lot to the Greek history, but nobody with the relevant background dealt with the article so far. :-(...:NikoSilver: 11:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Come on, I am a Peloponnesian (Greek), found the article very intersting. All that was missing is a list of notable Peloponnesians (Greek). --Tēlex 12:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
No you're not and we all know that. Anyway, just add the list if you wish and save it from utter catastrophe...:NikoSilver: 12:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The article can of course easily be recreated once there is more content specific to it. Though I'd prefer it if any such content was simply added to the main article Peloponnese.Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ξέρεις, δε θα καταλάβω ποτέ πως η ελεύθερη Μακεδονία γλύτωσε απ' την αρπακτικότητα του Τίτο. Ξέρεις ότι αυτός σχεδίαζε να προσαρτήσει όλα τα Βαλκάνια, και παραλίγο να προσαρτήσει την Αλβανία. Αν η Ελλάδα δεν είχε υποστηρίξει τη σωστή πλευρά στον Β' Παγκόσμιο Πόλεμο, τώρα η «Αιγαιακή Μακεδονία» θα κατοικείτο από «Μακεδόνες». --Tēlex 12:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Νομίζω ότι άλλη ήταν η σωστή πλευρά που έσωσε τότε τη Μακεδονία (και όχι μόνον).:NikoSilver: 12:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

exeis imelaki Politis 15:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Surprise

User:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Niko


Ha ha ha! Efharistō my dear Fut.Perf. (don't even need to check on history to understand it was you)! I'll study that when I get back from Sifnos and Kimolos (where I'm trying to catch the real ones)!! BTW, Fran did a great work citing everything yesterday!:NikoSilver: 13:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


Mind if it's dead? :-):NikoSilver: 14:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
When you catch one, can you upload it too? It's embarrassing for me to say this after I've presented this one to you, but I found out only afterwards that apparently here at WP we're not supposed to upload other people's fish, at all. That grouper was licensed for non-commercial barbecues. Which, as I just learned, is not good enough for our local G(hastly) D(raconic) F(ishery) L(aws). So, I'm afraid we have to expect the admins will eat it before we can.
:-(Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
So, is that a Σφυρίδα/Σφύραινα then? It needs to be that, otherwise the point (WP:POINT?) I'm making about Ancient Macedonian doesn't work. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, and 18 kilos of it too. I wouldn't bet about the "Sfyraina" name though. I've only tasted it as a "Sfyrida". What is the comment about? My Ancient Greek needs a little brush up...:NikoSilver: 14:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Search for "Strattis" on the Ancient Macedonian talk page. :-) There's that two-sentence fragment preserved from an ancient comedy where two guys are apparently discussing Greek dialect words for fish. As the comedy was titled Macedonians, some people have assumed one of the guys, who seems to be speaking some kind of Doric, was supposed to represent a Macedonian. Certain websites have used that as an argument for... well, you know what. Anyway, I'm not buying that theory. I'm rather convinced the comic hero of Strattis' comedy wasn't a Macedonian at all, but a sailor/merchant and hobby fisherman from the Ionian islands. That would explain why he speaks north-west Greek. The plot deals with how the comic hero tries to unravel who is and who isn't a Greek and what it means to be a Macedonian in contemporary Athens. Obviously a hopeless endeavor, which leads to multiple peripeteias and anagnorisis scenes, as people keep pretending to be something other than what they are. At one point, enervated, he threatens to feed all his opponents to the fishes. And that's just the scene that sentence was preserved from. Easy, you see. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, if their language was a whole lot different, I can't imagine how they were all Atticized so soon. In any case, all this is redundant because the most important guys up there, self-identified as Greeks. (Like some others today self-identify as something and nobody cares to seriously object apart from "hot-headed" Greeks...):NikoSilver: 14:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia(terminology)

For doing such an excellent job on this article getting it to featurable status, I award you this Barnstar of National Merit. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 06:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, although excellent, I felt compelled to oppose this article due to it being more of a list, and should therefore be listed at Featured List Candidates. However, it is so well written, I thought you at least deserved this. Enjoy! smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 06:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words *blushes*, but although I contributed a lot, it wasn't just me. FrancisTyers (with whom we always seem to argue about the name) had the idea and a lot of contribution as well. Also Telex and FunkyFly helped a lot. Naturally I disagree with your definition of a list (especially now). I think it's more like dab page on steroids. The definition of "list" is kinda narrow and specific, while the definition of "article" is wider (and also includes lists under certain contexts). In that sense, I wouldn't demote it.:NikoSilver: 09:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see the talk page, I don't want to add a {{disputed}} tag on the article, but I'm concerned that Politis seems to think that a publication called "Designs on Greece" published at the height of the Greek Civil War by the Greek Ministry of Information is a reliable source and should be included in the body of the article. - FrancisTyers · 14:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I second Francis' concern here. The reliability of that source is intrinsically low, it can only serve as proof that Yugoslavs were using the term ("Aegean Mac.") at that time, but hardly as proof that nobody had been using it earlier. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Did you read the second source that couples it? I have no objection to add any third source if available. Also, I don't think that the status of an inclusion in an article is upgraded if included in the body-text, rather than in a footnote. We are talking about flow of events here, and that's what we have so far. Foot or body are both body-parts.:NikoSilver: 15:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean here. What did that second source say? My understanding is that Politis wanted to show that "Aegean M." was a newly coined term in 1945 or thereabouts. If I understand Francis correctly, he was disputing that Politis' source could be used as evidence for that. This source and the thing Francis quoted seem to prove that the term was in use by that time, they don't prove that it was invented at that time, and the assertion to that effect by the Greek propaganda text is blatantly untrustworthy. For all we know, people may have been using the term for ages earlier than that, and in view of the political insinuation transported by the statement, the burden of proof is on Politis to show that independent research confirms the recent origins of the phrase, not on Francis to prove the contrary. Or did I misread what the point of contention was in the first place? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
You are right. You don't understand what I mean! The problem is not if the term was used earlier. The problem is that Tito stated the term in the context he did. I'm catching up reading the talks. Be back soon...:NikoSilver: 18:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't. You'll be disappointed, it's the final blow to your high hopes of having a Macedonia article withou bitching. :-(--Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha! No, actually I enjoyed it, coz so far it seems quite productive bitching! And fast too. Just within a few hours while a was getting a haircut...:NikoSilver: 19:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm afraid the dissonance between Francis and Politis right now is a tad more seriousthan that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the fact that the solution was in-between (as usually) will convince them to be less strongheaded. I wouldn't worry about any of them, don't take those hard words too seriously. After all, Politis finished the same school Fran is currently studying in. It's just a quarrel among fellow students! :NikoSilver: 19:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Niko, I hate to do this, but for the article, the best I could go is Neutral.It is a fantastic article, full of good data and has stuff I've never seen before, but I can't shake the idea that it is more properly a grand list.So, I'll change my vote to neutral, so I won't damage the effort if the overall concensus is one of support. ···Q Huntster (T) • @ • (C) 14:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicity Lists

What exactly was your question about the ethnicity lists and having two sources?I don't think Mad Jack would approve.Can you tell me what type of scenario this would be, though?Thanks. Michael 22:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I am puzzled, really. I have made a clarifying question, on your ...question, for my ...question, in the relative project page. Please respond there. :NikoSilver: 22:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay. Michael 22:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I posted my response on the project page. Michael 22:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Me too and watching...:NikoSilver: 22:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Go to this site [5].I introduced a discussion on the ethnicity lists and my belief that Mad Jack's interpretation is wrong. Michael 05:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Great! Let's all go over there and repeat the discussion for the third time. Mike, how about later we go location scouting for somewhere where we can repeat this the fourth time? You're simply not going to make any progress until you explain to me why we can decide who is or is not X-American, yet can not decide who is or is not a plagarist. Mad Jack 06:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
It's an entirely different case. Michael 23:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

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Sources

I've done quite a few -- The "Greek" section is almost finished -- I think you might need to consult a Greek dictionary for the remaining two?

I'm starting to look at the ethnic Macedonian terminology at the moment. - FrancisTyers · 15:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


On pseudoscience vs. bad science

Hey man, I noted your edit summary here, and I think we are talking at cross purposes. Although the study does fit some of the definitions of "pseudo science", I think it is more appropriate to classify it as bad science. Why? The methodology wasn't completely outlandish, the paper was submitted for peer review and published in a reputable journal.

From the pseudoscience page:

  1. Assertion of scientific claims that cannot be verified, or falsified in the event they are incorrect, inaccurate, or irrelevant (see also: falsifiability) [19] [20]
  2. Assertion of scientific claims that are vague rather than precise, and that lack specific measurements as a basis [21]
  3. Assertion of claims that a theory predicts something that it has not been shown to predict (see, e.g.:validity, relevance, Ignoratio elenchi; Argument from ignorance) [22] [23] [24]
  4. Assertion of claims of secrecy or proprietary knowledge in response to requests for review of data or methodology [25]
  5. Assertion of claims of a conspiracy on the part of the scientific community to suppress the results [26]
  6. Assertion that claims which have not been proven false must necessarily be true, and vice versa (see: Argument from ignorance) [27] [28]
  7. Failure to make use of operational definitions [29]
  8. Failure to submit results to peer review prior to publicizing them (called "science by press conference") [30] [31] [32]
  9. Failure to provide adequate information for other researchers to reproduce the claimed results [33]
  10. Failure to progress towards additional evidence of its claims [34] [35]
  11. Failure to adhere to the principle of parsimony, i.e. failing to seek an explanation that requires the fewest possible additional assumptions when multiple viable explanations are possible (see: Occam's Razor) [36]
  12. Attacking the motives or character of anyone who questions the claims (see Ad hominem fallacy.) [37]
  13. Comparisons of rejection to the rejection of famous scientists of the past
  14. Selective use of experimental evidence: presentation of of data that seems to support its own claims while suppressing, ignoring, discarding, or refusing to consider data that conflict with its claims [38]

I've stricken out the ones that obviously don't apply, and most of the others only half apply. I really think it is better to categorise it as "bad science" or "without scientific merit" instead of pseudoscience. Incidentally this is what the letter to Nature says.

I don't think this is comparable to Aetherometry, Homeopathy, Cold fusion or Astrology. - FrancisTyers · 16:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

There is also the 'Guardian' article, [6] And Arnaiz-Villena was removed from the journal's editorial board - not a frequent occurence. Politis 16:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Had done so ("lacks scientific merit") already before I read this. :NikoSilver: 16:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Interesting article, please if you come accross more, notify me. It really is surprising that it got in using words like "colonist" and "concentration camp". - FrancisTyers · 17:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

One can see the adumbration of a theory purporting that, considering the Greeks originate from the Sub-Sahara, considering Egyptian civilisation is claimed to originate from Sub-Saharan sources... now overlay the whole lot with the Black Athena theory whereby Greek civilisation is rooted in Egypt (i.e.Sub-Saharan), and we conclude that the ancestors of the Greeks are responsible not only for Classical civilisation, but also for Egypt. All this needs is a new Dan Brown (said he half-joking). Americans are really blessed to live in the USA, a country rooted in modernity and free from the contortions of (too much) history. Politis 17:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Haha :) F'sure its a mixed blessing. - FrancisTyers · 17:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

See:

  • Afto kai kane anastrofi se parakalw. Prokeite gia episimo egrafo apo tin Romeo-Katholiki Ekklisia, to opio kai exw sto prosopiko mou arxio (pio katharotero gia anagnosi)!

To sigekrimeno dokumento Enciclica, einai mia Papiki Egkiklios (EGRECIAE VIRTUTIS) kai taftochrona i anagnwrisi (tis 31-12-1980, apo ton Papa Ioanni ton B') tisRomeo-Katholikis Ekklisias, sto prosopo ton Kirilloy kai Methodiou, aderfwn, Ellinwn, ek tis perioxis Thessalonikis (Cirillo e Metodio, fratelli, greci, nativi di Tessalonica...) ...os Pateres tis Europis. --Asteraki 21:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

You are 100% right. :NikoSilver: 21:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL. Fine, we'll add the rest, a bit tedious though don't you think? - FrancisTyers · 22:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Just follow the consensus in the main article about these two and call them "Greek (i.e. Byzantine)". Then, you will have to include only one source. Asteraki's source is already added in Saints Cyril and Methodius, but I fail to see any other PRIMARY Slavic or whatever sources there...:NikoSilver: 22:30, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually this is better. Those monks get too much screen-time anyway.- FrancisTyers · 22:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. The coding system for this language was invented by some neighbours with whom there is controversy today. I think this is highly relevant, highly informative, avoids mis-information (you know what I mean), and should bring the two of us closer, than further apart. I really think you should add it back and call them "Greek (i.e.Byzantine)" with only one source that states so. Anything else is POV ommission. :NikoSilver: 22:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Niko, if you are Greek, then you are Orthodox. Why don't you want the article to reflect the Tradition of the Orthodox Church? The hagiography of Sts Cyril and Methodius clearly teaches that they were born to a Leo, Greek-speaking aristocrat and Maria, a devout Slav from the hinterlands of Thessaloniki. CRCulver 22:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is particularly relevant or informative, particularly if you're just going to edit war about it. The writing system is more important than the supposed ethnicity of any monk. - FrancisTyers · 22:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I am an orthodoxically scientifically thinking editor. Cite your information in Saints Cyril and Methodius, and state any documented hypothesis for that. Then, alter the consensus there, call them smthng else (other than "Greek (i.e. Byzantine)") and copy that in the language article, citing the one source that states so. Have you read WP:NOR? :NikoSilver: 22:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
There were sources to back up the claims that they were Slavs, half-Greek half-Slavs, or "Greekized Slavs". Those sources were removed. And if I claim that the article should obey the teachings of the Church we both belong to, that is not original research, but rather the opposite: respecting authority. CRCulver 23:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Monk moratorium. - FrancisTyers · 22:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
They have passed to immortality, as you know. You can't kill them. :NikoSilver: 23:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
They won't mind the wait then... - FrancisTyers · 23:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Nice argumentation! Sound! Congratulations on making the article less informative. I'll be back you know. When I am right, I am right. :NikoSilver: 23:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Surprising. - FrancisTyers · 23:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Why i am not surprised that specific editors are ready to serve their POV, even if this is totally unencyclopedic? ready to believe (and add) every source from a universally unknown historian or a source from a politically motivated site, but also ready to remove every source alive and trusted for 2,5 or 1 millenium from universally known and respected historians, from neutral and accurate sources (e.g. Britannica), from the Catholic Church, etc etc, simply to push their cosmotheory in specific articles...! And even if this isn't enough for them, they accuse u for 'possible vandalism' (before u make it), and even though they have just 'possibly vandalised'! (and of course, do not expect an answer, for u'll never get one...[7]):/.... anyway... i'll be watching... --Hectorian 23:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
File:Anchovy-thumbnail.jpg
Monk food. Serve daily with φασολάδα and three olives.

Ααα ρε Νίκο, for the sin of disputing the ethnicitiy of monks, I'll give you an appropriate punishment. The next fish I'm awarding you is only a small, old, salted anchovy. So you learn what Byzantine monkiness is really all about. :-/ Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha! The olives are from Kalamata? I'm afraid that WP:BEANS bring me gas though... Disputing? Who's disputing? Feed them to the fishes!:NikoSilver: 09:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Footnotes

Could you help on Greek diaspora. There is a problem with footnote 5, and you seem to be the expert on the topic. --Tēlex 10:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll give it a look, but I'm no expert. :NikoSilver: 10:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Seems OK now. All we need now is one of those maps like the one at Jewish population highlighting the top 50 countries with the most Greeks ;-) I think that can wait though... --Tēlex 10:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

OK - I made a map and it's in the article now. --Tēlex 11:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Agreed

Actually no, it doesn't apply to Greece. At least not in an official level. Anyway, I respect your comment about "already mention" but I'm afraid that most readers will skip the blah-blah and go directly to the list (striked out forbidden word). :NikoSilver: 12:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I thought we'd agreed on this? - FrancisTyers · 10:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed? How? I underlined the part you didn't read carefully...:NikoSilver: 10:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Apologies, I must have misread your comment. - FrancisTyers · 11:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia (terminology)

That proved to be very difficult... A Google search didn't seem to discover any negative reaction to the name. I only found a website that disapproved of Blagoevgrad Province being renamed Pirin Macedonia, so as to 'support the idea of divided Bulgaria's indivisibility'. Not sure if that's enough though, but it's better than nothing.

As for the historical use by nationalists, VMRO-BND's website would be fine — here's an example of the name being used alongside the Vardar and Aegean Macedonia terms in Bulgarian.

Let me know if that's satisfying, so I could add them (or feel free to do it yourself :)) Todor→Bozhinov 16:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The official website says 6,449 km, so it may be given as a source too. Sorry for the misunderstanding :) Todor→Bozhinov 20:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Macedonia (terminology) FAC

I should have a list of things to be fixed posted to the FAC page in a few minutes; from your note on my talk page, it sounds like you think I'm opposed to this being featured at all, which isn't the case; If we can get all the analytic statements cited, I don't see any reason not to feature it. --RobthTalk 14:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC) I'll have a list of statements that need citations posted

Incredible but true

Niko, have you seen Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/NikoSilver? It's one of the most hilarious things I've yet seen, only I would have excepted such a thing from a guy like Greier and not ManiF.--Aldux 00:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Spam, incivility

Regarding edits such as this: Spamming, by copying and pasting text to several talk pages, as well as emailing several users about an on-site concern, is strictly prohibited. Continuing to do so may result in a temporary loss of editing privilages. Additionally, personal attacks such as this are against policy and will not be tolerated. --InShaneee 21:29, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where you came in; personal attacks are always wrong. There is no excuse. As for the spam, there is no way to reword it; it is always unacceptable (see WP:SPAM#Internal_spamming). Editors are expected to find these discussions through their own interests and established channels, or not at all. --InShaneee 21:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Just because you didn't curse doesn't mean you weren't violating the policy. Our no personal attacks policy is about respect, and calling someone a troll violates that. Check the link above again. It says that "cross-posting of messages to a large number of user talk pages, by Wikipedians, in order to promote Wikipedia matters such as elections, disputes, discussions, etc" is forbidden. --InShaneee 22:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
The comment he removed was of you mocking him. That's trolling. Therefore, him calling you a troll was indeed correct. You calling him a troll now is simply more personal attacks, which I will warn you one last time not to make. As for the policy, I'll try to simplify it for you: if anyone is discussing anything, then spamming to talk pages or via email, regardless of the language or intention, is STRICTLY forbidden. --InShaneee 22:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
No, there are no circumstances where mocking another user is 'civil'. Yes, he was perfectly in his right to make a CheckUser request against you. --InShaneee 22:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
He wouldn't have any reason to go to CheckUser if he was positive you were or weren't the same user; it exists to tell that for sure. They told him you weren't the same user, problem solved. I'm glad to hear that you're going to try to be more civil, but I'm all concerned that you understand email and talk page spam is unacceptable. --InShaneee 22:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Efxaristo

Niko, Thank you for keeping me posted. I hve been sick with a Kidney infection and havent had the time to log on. Efxaristo pole Heraklios Heraklios 00:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Refs

No problem :-). I was aware of the format needed (ISO 8601) but Iwas desperately (and unsuccessfully in the end) trying to keep it as in {MM, DD, YEAR} so it would fit nicely with the rest. The best I got was looking like this: Retrieved on [[July, 23, 2006]]... Kudos for the article btw; you, User:FrancisTyers and many others did an excellent work on it. Regards 195.93.21.133 02:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC) (--NotReallyAnonymous Tom)

Thanks for your kind words, Tom. It seems that some people think it's not an article, though. :-( I am really dissappointed. Regards... :NikoSilver: 09:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Pericles

Pericles is an article I've contributed. It is about ancient Greece and I thought you might be interested. It has failed FA and GA nominations, but a new attempt is under way. Hence, if you are interested I expect your opinions and contributions in Wikipedia:Peer review/Pericles/archive2.--Yannismarou 08:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll check it. Thanks. :NikoSilver: 09:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Citations

Niko (hopefully) I can only bring the citations tomorrow, Tuesday. Politis 11:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Zuh!

(cur) (last)22:37, 24 July 2006 NikoSilver (Talk | contribs | block) (wrong version, to 13:53 UTC by Politis)
(cur) (last)22:36, 24 July 2006 NikoSilver (Talk | contribs | block) (Massive revert to 15:17 UTC)

- FrancisTyers · 22:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Ha! What's Zuh? :NikoSilver: 22:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Exclamation of astonishment :) I think maybe we should drop the FAC, perhaps try for an FLC, and if not just go right ahead and make FDC (see talk). - FrancisTyers · 22:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Macedonia FAC

I really think you should stick it out man. No point in getting this far and letting it go. What you have is a terrific article and eventually it will reach FA. I will help as much as I can, you can be certain of that.UberCryxic 01:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

Hey Niko,

I just wanted to let you know that I am sorry for the way I conducted my arguments. They seem as if I am unwilling to budge on the issue, and that's not me. Sometimes the way we write is different from the way we speak. Emotions can be misconstrued. I had a vision of an article that was different from the others, but I did nothing to contribute to it in the first place - I think that makes me guilty of something. You and a few others have done countless edits and re-writes, and here I am talking about how it should or should not be done. I suppose I had to stop, take a step back, and realize that the problem was much smaller than I had made it out to be at first. I don't think I can support the article now, but I'm not going to stand in the way of progress. If there is a positive concensus, then far be it for me to stall the issue. You've done great work on the topic, and I hope that I didn't spoil any of the enjoyment you had out of making it.

Hoping you will accept my apology, Sean (--Sean WI 18:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC))

Err, my name is really not Costa :-O Politis 14:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

For how long will you be gone once this becomes FA?   /FunkyFly.talk_  00:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha! Not less than 50 years, I guess. No, really, I am leaving on Sunday for the Ionian sea for 3-4 weeks. I'll be logging in with my mobile once in a while. Man, this debate drives you crazy! It's worse than User:Makedonec, User:Macedonia and User:Vlatkoto put together! And I thought nationalism was the ultimate reason for bitching...:NikoSilver: 00:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Ghirla Stalker

Nikos (if I can call you so), do you remember this: [[8]]? The point is that part of this comes up as a contribution of one of the IPs that is stalking Ghirla. Obviously, you are not that person (please forgive me if I even let you think that I suggest that - I know you as a good and trusty Wikipedian - how I laughed when I saw that sockpuppetry charge). Since I was on that page a little later, my impression was that you had forgotten to log on and signed that statement later. Now, I am starting to wonder whether the anon IP did not in fact impersonate you... Perhaps I misread and you overtyped some (offensive?) remark by this guy - please tell me then. I am involved in this because Ghirla was suspicious about that IP (it also made some changes on Russian architecture, and surprise, surprise, it looks like a Polish IP) and I told him on his talk page (and Irpen's) not to worry. He is blocked now, and I cannot check on Telex' talk page itself because this part is archived. You can check that this is not the only time this anon has been pestering Ghirla on [[9]]. Just search the page for "Ghirla".

Sorry for the trouble I am causing you. Thanks for any answer - if you still remember what happened, of course. A (Belgian with a limited knowledge of) Russian. --Pan Gerwazy 18:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I did not understand "exeis", by the way. I wish I had known. So the explanation is that he did not sign. Since this stalker looks rather intelligent, we cannot exclude that he noticed Ghirla was searching for him, put up that comment (style of which sounds very out of place with anything else he has been writing since then) and then deliberately forgot to sign, hoping someone like you would come along and put a short message. Seems far-fetched I know, but as I say this guy is no Molobo (his English for one is almost perfect). Even his choice of provider looks a calculated one: Polish Telecom assigns the whole 83.5 range dynamically, so the stalker will be very difficult to block. Not that that should concern you. All the best and again thanks for answering.--Pan Gerwazy 23:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Footnotes sabbatical

We gave it our all in June on footnoting policies. I'm almost ready to go another round. How about you? (FYI, I'm watching this page.) --J. J. 03:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

JJ, you did an amazing job back then. I've totally lost track since. Too bored to catch up now during summer vacation. Will check on it in a few weeks. If you need anything specific, just message me. I'll be logging in from time to time to check on my WP:FAC (Macedonia (terminology)). If you want full support, though, please wait for me till end-August, early-September. Thanks. :NikoSilver: 13:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Aug/Sept sounds good to me. I've been contributing a lot to Wikible.org lately anyway.Peace... --J. J. 18:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Greek-American List

Hello Nikos,

Can you please take a look at the following and agree what what User:Jack O'Lantern.When has it been dicided that a Greek-American is refrence to ONLY' "full Greeks" and "Part Greeks" can't make the list even when THEY themselves state themselves as being such?[[10]]XXXX23 June 2006

Redux

I saw your note on the FAC page, you should propose your wording on the talk page first. Also, you can remove "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", as it seems the UN (in their wisdom) do use both F and f. - FrancisTyers · 10:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Watch me do it on the page itself. Let me play a few minutes and then revert me alltogether if you wish. I can't experiment on the talk (no pics, no lists etc). Jst give me an hour or so...:NikoSilver: 10:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to go out now, I'll be back later. In the "self-identifying names" part of "In linguistics", all the definitions there can be found in the Unabridged Oxford English Dictionary, [11], so you can cite that. - FrancisTyers · 13:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, there, I know the FAC has you all chasing your tails, trying to keep everyone happy, but that thin line of text in the lead (made so thin by enlarging the maps) makes me crazy:is it possible to make the maps a bit smaller, leaving the text section a bit larger, for readability?Or were the larger maps asked for by someone else?Please respond on my talk page: my house was hit by lghtening, so I'm having a hard time keeping up from a slow dialup connection. Sandy 11:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

There's a mix of usage between BC and BCE.It might be better to pick one, or at least provide a link to BCE for those of us who are still un-PC about dating to Christ :-)Sandy 11:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I've no idea why there's BC and BCE to begin with. I'll change them all to BC coz that's what I learned in school.:NikoSilver: 11:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I had to look it up:guess I'm not PC enough :-)I got caught in an edit conflict with you, and I'm afraid I may have lost some of the comments I had typed up here ... eek ... more ...
Geographer H.R. Wilkinson, suggests that "it defies definition".[5] The "it" is hard to figure out:what defies definition?The Ottoman conquest is the subject of the sentence right before it.This sentence needs to expand so the reader easily knows what defies definition (the name or the region)The rest of the section talks about maps, giving the reader the impression his comment was in that context, but the short sentence still leaves one unclear about context.
For more details, see Boundaries and definitions section in the main article. Think of this as a print encyclopedia:this sentence doesn't work.What is the main article, if you are reading a print version of this?
This sentence is too long, I get lost as a reader:The region borders, as defined in the map above, as well as the relative terminology that follows, exactly coincide with maps produced by ethnic Macedonian nationalists, who have expressed irredentist claims to what they refer to as "Aegean Macedonia" (in Greece), "Pirin Macedonia" (in Bulgaria), "Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo" (in Albania), and "Gora and Prohor Pchinski" (in Serbia) despite the fact that ethnic Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians and Serbs form the overwhelming majority of the population of each region respectively. I"m chopping it up myself:revert if you don't like it.These fringe groups have received no official encouragement from the government of the Republic of Macedonia, which are the fringe groups?The ethnic Macedonian nationalists?Irredentist is wikilinked twice in same paragraph (I'm removing one).Sandy 12:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Recovered lost comment from edit conflict:There's still a change in tenses in the entire section beginning with "Political entities which have used and continue to use the name "Macedonia" are:"Some use "existed", "lasted" and "was" (past tense), but then some switch tense to "refers to", and "used to refer to".I think (?) the only contemporary one is the last one, so all the others should remain past tense ?? Sandy 12:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Saw the edit conflict that resulted in revert:I'll get busy with some other things for a bit, and come back to finish up in about half an hour.I'll be back.Sandy 12:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I got distracted and forgot to come back.You're right about the screen resolution:it was my other computer.I'll look at the rest of the article now.Sandy 18:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I took your advice and made a few alterations, mainly to reduce instances of repeated words and to sort out some of the punctuation. I appreciate I've been being tough, but this FAC hardly received special treatment in that regard. :-) A couple of things have left me scratching my head: I thought there was a source for the fact that there was no Ottoman administrative region of Macedonia, but I can't see one, so maybe my memory is playing tricks. Also puzzling me is the 4.76 million population claim - it seems to be repeated throughout Wikipedia but nowhere can I find a source for it. On the web, the figure is used by other people, but they all seem to cite Wikipedia as their source! I am beginning to wonder whether this statistic was simply "baked up" by some Wikipedian, and has now been commonly accepted as a "fact". The way it's not recorded in the form "As of 200x, the population is 4.76 million" (unlike most population figures in Wikipedia quoted from secondary sources) is making me rather suspicious... do you have any idea where it might have come from? TheGrappler 18:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, substantial improvement! Thanks... I thought it was a little odd to give the population of a region that "defied definition" to within plus or minus a few villages. One last thing though: could you actually put in a reference for that statement? c.5 million sounds great, but you ought to cite where the component figures came from. Good luck with the FAC - if it doesn't get through this time round, I'd suggest going through it with a toothcomb and then renominating it. Unfortunately robth has joined the discussion a little late: he's quite a heavy hitter and is even more hellbent on referencing than I am :-) It may be that there won't be enough time before this nomination closes to address his concerns... but I hope you keep battling on. The article (and it definitely is an article) has definitely come a long way! TheGrappler 22:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
If anybody claims that's WP:OR then I think they're being too fussy! So long as the figures added up all have a reliable source, I can't see that there'll be an issue with it. The time that an FAC closes is a little arbitrary, it partially comes down to Raul654's discretion: 5 days to a week would be normal. Your FAC is currently heading towards the bottom of the page, which is a good general indicator that it'll close soon. Also, I think I've found and fixed the problem on my talk page - thanks for the warning!TheGrappler 01:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

More

  • You still have a mix here (BCE and CE refer to Before Common Era and Commone Era, while BC and AD refer to Before Christ and After Death -- you're using different forms in same sentence):Macedonia (as a province in the Roman Empire) lasted from 146 BC to 395 CE.
  • This sentence looks like it needs a reference:The scientific community generally agrees that, although few findings are available, there is no concrete evidence for supporting either hypothesis.
  • This sentence needs help (dispute which is disputed):The second dispute is over the very existence of a distinct language (i.e. different from Bulgarian), which is disputed by certain partisan groups.[10] I'd delete "partisan" to avoid problems.
  • I know there has been a lot of back and forth discussion on this, but why don't you just convert the refs to one format?It's not that hard to do, since there aren't that many refs, and the mixed format really detracts from the article.

Still working, back for more, Sandy 19:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

  • This sentence is malformed, I can't tell what it's saying:Macedonist (Македонист) is a derogatory term for a person ...), whose studies support the official historical doctrine of the Republic of Macedonia or former Yugoslavia. Person, whose studies support ?

oh my gosh, Macedonia is like Wikipedia !!Sandy 19:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm writing you an email, but dropping in this note to say we should mention "Bulgarian Macedonia" and "Yugoslav Macedonia" alongside Greek Macedonia. I think these terms are/were in use. - FrancisTyers · 23:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. :NikoSilver: 23:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


Map issue

Would you be able to update this map so that Serbia and Montenegro are separated?   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Naaah, that's an original. I wouldn't want to degrade it with my intervention, plus I enjoy the fact that it may sound like an excuse that it refers to an earlier timeframe... :NikoSilver: 13:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I see, I guess a step in leaving Macedonism in the past.   /FunkyFly.talk_  16:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The answer to your question is that Macedonia was neither an arbitrary designation nor perfectly well-defined. Most mappers agreed (give or take a town here or there) on a Macedonia going north beyond Skopje, but there was a minority opinion ofsome Serbs, like Gopčevič, who wanted Skopje to be Old Serbia or South Serbia, and some Greeks who wanted a Macedonia with the highest possible proportion of Greeks.(Some Bulgarians referred to Skopje as West-Bulgarian, and suggested the whole area should be Bulgarian as the majority population.)

Do get hold of a copy of Wilkinson and readit. He explains all this (and the fact, which is what he is studying, that the real differences between maps were the ethnic partition within Macedonia). It is very bad practice to cite a book you haven't seen; in this case, it has led you into error of fact (as with Meinhard), and has put you at the mercy of the selective quotations by the source you have read. Septentrionalis 21:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Please don't revert the sentence about μηκος any more; μακεδνоς is also attested from classical antiquity;μηκος is a relative, as irrelevant as any other relative (like μακρος, or Latin magnus or other related words, which I believe include some from the Slavic languages.) Septentrionalis 21:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Common heritage

Hi! Did you know anything about that (see the last paragraph)? I knew about the ritual (it's been a quite popular and commercial thing in the last decades), but didn't know it's also Greek too. Also see the first external link, it's very detailed. Seems like it's a very interesting tradition mixing Orthodox beliefs with pagan customs (possibly Thracian), and the inhabitants of the interior of Strandzha (once both Bulgarians and Greeks) had some quite heretic beliefs, like, they thought St Constantine is God's mediator on Earth and the two's images would often overlap. Todor→Bozhinov 20:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The custom u are referring to is practiced in Greece particularty on the day of St.John. quite commonly in the villages eastern of Thessaloniki and in the area of Kozani (i guess in other places as well). it is not a custom that was brought here by the Greeks of Eastern Rumelia, but as the sources say, they follow this ritual as well. --Hectorian 22:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


Map

Gia sas, I was wondering if you could tell me what original map did you use to create the Makedonian maps? ([[12]]) Chaldean 04:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


Administrator

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PmandersonUltramarine Ultramarine 04:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello

Yazoo! Good to see you Niko. God bless. Could you review my article Neoplatonism and Gnosticism podda ka low? LoveMonkey 15:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Ela

On the conflictbetween Israel and Hezbollah page there was a graphic image of a dead child on his front on a street that had been totally destroyed by Israeli bombs.You could not see the kid's face or anything and the picture is not dominated by him but it was clear he was dead.This picture was the popular choice to show the true victims of the War so far, but a girl called dennoe who was offended got it removed.I have just set up a poll and if you could way in with some support it would be much appreciated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#POLL # Reaper7  

Paraklisi

  • des afto:edo se parakalw kai vale ena xeraki. Efxaristw. Teo.

Balkan wars

An unsigned user informed me about some crap edited in the Balkan Wars articles. Compare these two versions [13]. I'll be also checking the article for now on.--Yannismarou 07:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Iraq map

Thank you very much for replying. I really dont know what I want to do. I gues a map that shows land that was gained and lost by the provinces. I think its very important during todays time as it is a very big political issue with whats going on in Iraq. Chaldean 06:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I thought I already explained what I wainted. Ok well, before 1991, Iraq province map looked like this; [[14]] - but after the gurl war, Saddam redrew the province map [[15]], trying to favor Sunni arabs as much as possible. And I guess I want a map that can show the gain/lost of land for each province.

Macedonia FA

Congratulations! I knew it would work out in the end.UberCryxic 02:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Well-done! You got your star for Macedonia (terminology)! It seemed almost impossible!--Yannismarou 07:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys! It's probably due to my extended wikibreak! :-) :NikoSilver: 14:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Probably!!!--Yannismarou 08:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Niko, I still haven't given you my congratulations: che vergogna!!! Well it's never too late, they say and let me also give you this well deserved barnstar (even if I've been preceded in this too). Ciao,--Aldux 15:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
For the painstaking and heroic work done to bring Macedonia (terminology) to a FA, I, Aldux, award this barnstar of Diligence to NikoSilver.


Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pericles

Please kindly check Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pericles. If you like it, please express your support. You'll also see the debate is going on there between me and another user.--Yannismarou 08:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

just a hello note

hey mate :) back from vacations. keep me updated on new stuff :)

cheers Dr. Manos 16:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Καλώς ήρθες Νίκο;). Τί κάνουν τα νησιά μας? Πήγες σε πολλά? Ευχαριστώ, αν χρειαστώ κάτι θα σου πω. Και φυσικά, αν μπορώ να κάνω κάτι για σένα, πες μου. Σχετικά με τη νέα μου σελίδα, σκεφτόμουν να το κάνω αυτό πολύ καιρό... Η αλήθεια είναι πως δεν έχω βιβλιογραφία για όλα αυτά... Κανένα από αυτά δεν αμφισβητείται, αλλά άλλα προέρχονται από βιβλία (το ποίημα του Λ.Βύρωνα π.χ.), άλλα από αποκόμματα εφημερίδων που έχω κρατήσει, κτλ. Κάποια από αυτά, τα μετέφρασα μόνος μου (και μάλλον αυτό φαίνεται:p). Δεν ξέρω αν μπορούμε να το κάνουμε άρθρο... Τελοσπάντων, καλό χειμώνα!!!!! Ciao --Hectorian 12:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Kanena provlima;). den to eida ws 'adeiasma', apla ypethesa oti den eixes diavasei oli ti suzitisi... --Hectorian 21:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Sxedon... apla ego den ithela na pistepsw oti me adeiases:p. aftos,... as to pistepsei:) --Hectorian 21:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Your questions

I'm sorry I can't help you much on the subject, I'm no expert on this; if I really did make some edit in the etymology section. I've found confirmed that macedonia means "land of the tall" in Peter Tsouras' Alexander: Invincible king of Macedonia. Couldn't it be that Both the Macedonians (Makedónes) and their Makednoí tribal ancestors were regarded as tall people is going in the wrong direction? I mean, since Macedonia means probably "land of the tall", the editor deduced that the Macedonians were tall. I can tell you where it all appears to derive orignially: this webite, but in my opinion it doesn't seem a WP:RS. As for, the bahuviri, I didn't find anything, maybe it should be removed as unsourced. I'm sorry I haven't been of much help :-(, but linguistics is not my forte.--Aldux 19:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

In the name of Zeus!

...Jesus, Allah, Buda and the others. Greece - USA: 101-95 in the 2006 FIBA World Championship semifinal! Athens is on fire...•NikoSilver•

Are we shocking the world again, or it's just my imagination?:). Btw, Thessaloniki was also on fire, with the White Tower as the epicentre (as always). --Hectorian 12:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Now that was news! No need to say who I'm going to support in the final, is there ;-) Buona fortuna, e forza Grecia!!!!--Aldux 13:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Grazie amico! Ero siguro che avevi poco sangue Greco! 14-20 (!!), 45-41, 77-65, 101-95. Anche dopo il primo quarter non abbiamo mancato nostra confidenza! E... questo Skortsianitis (papa Greco - mama Nigeriana), ha demonstrato che forse la theoria irredentista di origine sotto Sahara, puo essere vera! Ha ha! •NikoSilver• 13:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Haha! And imagine what... we are playing in Japan, a nation "closely" related to us, with also sub-saharan origin:p. lol... that crap! Anyway, my thanks to Aldux as well;) --Hectorian 13:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Bravo Spain! Congratulations for outsmarting us. Congratulations for "reading" the Greek game, better than we managed to read yours! •NikoSilver• 13:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Merde, I missed it. Coverage of Basketball in German media is so poor, I would have hardly been aware of the whole championship if it hadn't been for you folks... :-(Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
At least the cup came in Europe... That's something good in anycase:) --Hectorian 20:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Che peccato :-( I know how it feels, nobody in Italy has forgotten USA 1994. On the bright sight, remember where you've arrived and who you've beaten, who would have believed it at the start?--Aldux 20:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Sure! that's a great achievement! we are 2nd in the world, it's not bad! but u know... the bitter taste of getting sooooo close... but loosing. 'Getting to the spring, but not drinking water' as we say... And, oh yes, i too remember 1994... what an awful night! after midnight:( --Hectorian 21:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The FYROM POV

Have you seen the brand new (made today) article on the Greeks at fyromwiki (mk:Грци)? It was made by our friend User:LBakraceski, and if you check it, you'll see that so far, all they have translated is the infobox. The infobox is translated perfectly with two exceptions:

  • What we call FYROM on enwiki is called "Macedonia" there, and
  • The picture at the top is slightly different ;-)

--Telex 21:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

At least they substituted him with his tutor...•NikoSilver• 21:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
That anti-Bulgarian Bakraceski guy speaks fluent Serbo-Croatian and good Russian but he can't even understand a single word in the alien Bulgarian language that has absolutely nothing to do with his mother tongue :) Todor→Bozhinov 13:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Next we'll hear that Bulgarian is a dialect of Macedonian. •NikoSilver• 13:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Why, didn't everybody already know that?

Apart jokes, but Telex, to make you a question I've always wanted to do, why do you care so much of the macedonian wiki? Everybody knows that the smaller wikipedias are just crap, and I suspect Telex and a few angry Bulgarians are the only non-macs that ever read it. --Aldux 14:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC) He cares because this is just another example of the nationalistic nature of the said ethnic group's actions, which to my opinion is fueled by the following factors:

  • Greek pressure: Yes I admit Greeks are being picky on the issue.
  • Schools/education: They are taught bullshit at school, and they come to believe in bullshit. (see here)
  • Government endorsement: No comment. (see above, and here)
  • Lack of long history: Partly because they've always been attached on somebody (Yugoslavia, Bulgaria) and therefore that history has been logically documented as that somebody's.
  • Insecurity: Largely because of size, of economy, of pissed-off neighbors and of hostilities with Albanian minority.

Greeks can help with only the first (pressure -lifted lots of it) and the last (economy -#1 investor). The rest they have to do themselves. And the results will be visible 20 years from now... •NikoSilver• 14:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

We're being picky too, but these issues are important to all nations and really require pickiness :) They have to solve the school bullshit thing, drop the historical claims and live with the truth. We're helping economically and culturally too, but I'd personally not welcome them in the EU if they continue to misappropriate and abuse my national history. I doubt there would be a referendum or anything, but I hope our officials would do something about it (there have been some indications). Todor→Bozhinov 16:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I do not know if the Bulgarian officials will do anything about it, or if there will be a referendum in Bulgaria about FYROM's EU membership, but i highly doubt if there will ever be a Greek politician who will be willing to take the blame for the acceptance of them under the name 'Macedonia'... There will either be a referendum (and we all know which the outcome will be), or a greek government who will even think about something like that, will "fell" (by making terrible noice!) the very next moment...:). Perhaps our fellow neighbours should start of thinking of an alternative name (or, 2nd option, they will stop claiming anything that they do not own)... or, 3rd option, they will be looking EU with a telescope for the decades to come... --Hectorian 17:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


Greek history project

I see you are back and on fire again!!! Πώς είσαι; Πώς πέρασες στις διακοπές;

I know you are interested in Greek history and you have frequent contacts with other users also interested in Greek history. I just saw in your talk page Hectorian, Aldux, Telex and others. Hence, I hope you are interested in the following:

In my Userpage I expressed my thoughts about not having any Wiki-project working on Greek topics, while users from other countries are far more active. User:Argos'Dad read my thoughts and expressed his interest in participating in a project concerning the Greek history. Check User talk:Yannismarou/Thoughts. After that response I went through history projects in Wikipedia. There aren't many of them, but I think it is an interesting idea and I hope it will not be difficult to recruit members (with your help this is almost sure!).
I think we could use as a model Wikipedia:WikiProject History of India. Have a look, when you have time. I believe that, if we decide it, during the Weekend I can start setting the page of the Wikiproject. And then we must start recruiting and organizing (main goals, plans, templates, priorities, rating article, possibly peer-reviewing-I like peer-reviewing articles!, ways of collaboration, topics, possible task forces [ancient, medieval, modern Greece] etc.).
What do you think ? Are you interesting in participating ? Do you think we can recruit members? If I start the page in the next 2-3 days may I count on you?--Yannismarou 18:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Ευχαριστώ, Νίκο. Η βοήθειά σου θα είναι πολύτιμη. Περίμενε ενημέρωση άμεσα για τα περαιτέρω!

Hey man

I've been working hard on my dissertation (finally handed it in yesterday), and also on the Tajik Wikipedia, I should be around more now. :) - FrancisTyers · 19:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Haha! Three alphabets on one encyclopaedia :) — the Serbs have two alphabets and two dialects :) and I think the Chinese have two. But, honestly, they should probably re-adopt the Latin alphabet as it was most suited to the language. The Persian alphabet/abjad is hopeless, and the Cyrillic one is just a bit too Russian oriented, and was only introduced at the behest of Stalin — anyway, you read the page :) Thanks for the good luck, with the other paper I actually got a good mark :P I can't really hope to get a distinction, but I'd have to do very badly to not get a merit, so I'm quite happy :) Now I just have to find a sponsor for a PhD :)) - FrancisTyers · 22:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
LOL! The Greek alphabet would be even worse that Cyrillic :P :) — I like education because it gives me the chance to avoid being in the "real world" as they call it :) I could be earning a lot of money, but I prefer to be less well off and fulfilled :) Besides how else am I going to get access to all these fascinating papers :) - FrancisTyers · 23:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Aye, they're good :) — actually, disappointingly, that link doesn't go where I'd expect :) - FrancisTyers · 00:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Back from my wikibreak :-) --   Avg    00:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I've decided a good place to start contributing again is the Malakas article :-)--   Avg    01:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Xairete! Syggnomi an den apantisa se kapoia email, alla imoun toso apasxolimenos tous teleutaious mines pou den eixa katholou xrono gia tin wikipedia (mexri kai to hotmail mou mplokaristike kai sbistikan ola). Xairomai omos pou eiste oloi akoma edo. Fobomoun ti tha antikriza kata tin epistrofi mou! :) Miskin 23:07, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece

Το ξεκίνησα! Στη σελίδα διαλόγου του project (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece) θα δεις τις προτάσεις μου και τις σχέσεις μου για το μέλλον. Άλλωστε, ελπίζω ότι από τη στιγμή της δημιουργίας του το project θα φύγει από τα χέρια του και θα αγκαλιαστεί και από όλους χρήστες, που θα του προσφέρουν τη δική τους δυναμική. Αυτός είναι ο στόχος μου. Να μη μείνει ένα μνημειακό δείγμα χωρίς ζωή.
Παρόλο ότι δεν είσαι ειδικός στην ιστορία, έχω διαπιστώσει ότι διαθέτεις πάθος, δημιουργικότητα και γνώσεις στους υπολογιστές. Άλλωστε έχει ήδη καταξιωθεί, προτείνοντας ένα άρθρο για FA και μπορείς να προσφέρεις τα φώτα σου σε άλλους χρήστες. Επίσης, μπορείς να τονώσεις τη συνεργασία σε θέματα σχετικά με τη Μακεδονία μας. Οποιαδήποτε συνεισφορά, οπώς και η ενημέρωση άλλων χρηστών για το project ή προτάσεις σχετικά με το lay-out και τη δομή του project είναι άκρως επιθυμητές. Προσδοκώ στη βοήθειά σου, όποτε θα σου είναι δυνατό. Η σκέψη σου για τα newsletter είναι πολύ καλή, αλλά δεν μπορώ τώρα να την επεξεργαστώ στο μυαλό μου λόγω κούρασης.
Χαιρετίσματα!--Yannismarou 16:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Check your

email :) - FrancisTyers · 13:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I can't close it as I voted in the poll. I've asked bogdan to close it. Regarding the email, I'll email back. - FrancisTyers · 15:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey

How's it been? What's new? --HolyRomanEmperor 13:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Great HRE! Came back from vacation a couple of weeks ago and still miss it. How about you? •NikoSilver• 13:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Brilliant! Aside from declaring me dead at wikipedia and damaging my reputation to a level from which there's no reparation (ping: I'm overreacting!) and a little neural insury I suffered with my right arm, I'm just fine. It's been Hell-of-a-Year for me, but I'm glad to see that the turbolence is finally over. On the political scene, with the old authority finally stabilized in Montenegro after the elections, it's only left to resolve the issue of Kosovo, and aside from some minor political inconveniences in Sanjak, South Serbia and Vojvodina - we shall all (Balkaners), hopefully be able to live finally in peace. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Ha! Who declared you dead? My right arm hurts too! Probably from typing and using the mouse! Hope your elections bring the stability we all wish, but I wouldn't bet about all Balkanians...•NikoSilver• 21:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Eimai se imi-wiki-diakopes. Den ksero poso ypeuthina tha mporeso na synisfero an grafto... Miskin 02:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Oso mporesoume tha bohthisoume...:-) --   Avg    21:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


Fishing...?

try you luck here: User:Nauplion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek Genocide

OK xreiazomaste kai thn dikh sou vohtheia omws Mitsos 11:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


the questions you left me on my userpage

You must of read wrong: That userbox said i'm a geek, not greek. I didn't understand the other question. If you want me to answer the other question, try explaining it in a different way. I'm not sure if any one else understood my User name (Qmwnebrvtcyxuz) because nobody has ever told me before if they understood it or not.Qmwnebrvtcyxuz 16:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Aaax Niko

Ti provlima exeis me ti selida mou? Ti tha pei kalh arxh? Akoma exw fasistika arthra sth selida mou kai tha synexisw na exw. Apla xefortothika merika pou htan peritta. Koita ti tha kanoume me to Pontian Genocide lew egw. Mitsos 11:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Embarrased????? Disgrace???? Have you ever seen User:Project2501a userpage??? For that you should be embarrased! Sto lew kai sto talk tou Pontian Genocide. Mitsos 11:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


Pontian Genocide

Γεια, I've began a totally informal dispute resolution attempt. Please support it. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 14:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Michali. I will.•NikoSilver• 14:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Niko, My sig...

Why haven't you placed my new sig in your sig shop main page?•Sean•gorter• 05:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, your limit suggester, Andeh, suggested you for me--•Sean•gorter• 09:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I already had it. Corrected for the version you actually chose. Andeh is a nice guy. When did that happen? Before or after I fixed it? •NikoSilver• 17:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Either way, the post about my CSD thing is in my second archive. Drop me a note, clear this section or whatever. Anyway, you're already in my buddy list located in my userpage! •Sean•gorter•(Talk) 09:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


Comment

I am sorry that you deemed what I have wrote as macho threats, if I did so, I apologize... I am definitely not a nationalist (you don't have to believe me if you don't want to).. But I find it extremely hard to not get angry when I see such users vandalizing wikipedia.. Mitsos has again vandalized the page by removing the tags, after repeated warnings not to do so.. If you can have a look at the talk page, you can see that I am seriously trying to contribute to the discussion, but it is way too hard... Regards... Baristarim 20:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sad.. what he thought was vandalism?? That's way too much political correctness.. And turkish wiki friends don't cut it.. That's a typical excuse all nationalists give (Turk, Greek or whatever) I'm not a nationalist!! I have so many x friends!!
As for the reasons, they have been stated many times.. They were in the archive, I pasted it again, feel free to have a look.. What I just pasted to the talk page is a typical legal preliminary statement.. Its quality is, whether you believe it or not, is very high - that's contribution, and not just managing or trying.. I am not the only one who is unhappy with the title, many non-Greek and non-Turks are as well, again have a look at the archive.. FYI, i am an intl lawyer, you would have a hard time trying to pass your views through me so easily, just letting you know.. I am not going to lay down and let people settle 'old scores'.. It is a pity coz there are so many other articles where I could be making a positive contribution, but I find myself having to spend my time engaging in a weird argument.. As for mitsos comments, I am not backing out of what I said, I just thought that they don't belong in Wikipedia.. On the other hand, I have respect for mitsos for being honest about himself, I wish everyone else was, you know what I mean??
And the article is definitely disputed.. Common sense.. cheers!Baristarim 20:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Just step back and listen how you talk vs how others talk to you. Including me. Please avoid further contact. I am an international firearm/drug/white flesh smuggler, so beware! BOO! •NikoSilver• 21:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, as you wish.. I definitely didn't imply that you were a smuggler or anything.. What have I said or implied to make you think this? I am sorry if I offended you in any way, because that's not what I meant.. On the other hand, I considered your post on my page to be a bit aggresive as well considering that in my first post to your page I apologized if I had made remarks that offended someone (above).. You are not being fair, pls see my talk page and my first post to u above, I have engaged in arguments, true, but please try to see the overall picture... I have joined a couple of weeks ago, and have been trying to honestly contribute to Wikipedia, but you will have to excuse me if I cannot keep my calm while talking to someone like mitsos.. Funny thing is, only time I have been accused as such in my life is here.. Baristarim 22:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
You know, don't misunderstand me but, I would like to raise a point with you, you don't have to answer or anything.. I had read the whole issue about mitsos.. This was one thing that made me think that u were being a nationalist.. When you had seen his user page, your response to him was you are (this is) giving all the greek users a bad name, instead of saying your views are out of step with the modern society, period... Why? Just because I saw someone like mitsos, it definitely didn't make me think that greeks were white-supremacists or anything.. Nor have I ever thought as such.. I have always believed that Turks and Greeks get too defensive, sometimes while being aware of it, just because of mutual distrust and fear of hidden agendas... Anyways, what can I say? Have a good day could be a start...lol Baristarim 22:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Aspasia

Please kindly check Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Aspasia.--Yannismarou 10:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


Des ki esy kati

... Sto House of Commons kapoios Bretanos vouleutis, Stephen Pound, ethese zitima pontiakis genoktonias, mazi me tis alles duo [17]. den xerw an afto mporei na xrisimopoihthei edw... Other victim groups of genocide and persecution in the Ottoman empire from 1914-1922, for instance the Greek and Assyrian minorities, from the Danish Institute for International Studies in cooperation with University of Southern Denmark [18]. Apo to USA Congress the millions of Orthodox Christians who perished in the genocidal campaign in Asia Minor from 1894 to 1923[19]. eperwtisi tou Stafilidi, ellinikis katagwgis vouleuti sto Parliament of Sweden [20]. kapou eida oti to House of Representatives tis Kyprou, to Columbia DC kai City of Cleveland tin exoun anagnwrisei episis... Hectorian 12:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The pic

Check your mail.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually it was more of a technical question :) When I tried to upload it, it came out with an error message. See my contribs here.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Thats only for the people that died more than 75 years ago?   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, will get to it.   /FunkyFly.talk_  00:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia map

I find it tendentious because it harps on the claims of a handful of irredentists. In the template, this is accompanied by a repetition, and so emphasis, of material already in the text of both articles. On the Main Page, it would bring undue emphasis to a deservedly obscure definition of Macedonia. (Your very nice fourfold map, with the caption "if it weren't confusing..." would be much better there.) Septentrionalis 22:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

In the neighboring section of each article; we have those definitions already.
I've tried to add the maps to the sample page; but I've had trouble shrinking them to fit. If you can do that, we can interest the reader more, by showing that Macedonia has moved all over the place. (The details may be less visible, but the point will carry. Septentrionalis 22:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
No edit conflict; and I'm sorry to hear that: My chief objection is that I don't like how it looks; although I really do find the caption unnecessary. Differences in national taste, I suppose. Septentrionalis 22:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Biko gia, Ean sou dothei i efkeria des Cyprus Refugees kai afto Talk:Cyprus Refugees. S'efxaristo Aristovoul0s 22:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

New Section

Espase to 3RR ekeinos stin genoktonia ton pontion. Miskin 23:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Useless comment

Well, if it were a Turkish nationalist making death threats then it would be all over Wiki, but when it is a Greek nationalist we try to hush it over [21].. Secondly; you deleted another post of mine which was relevant to the debate [22]. Lastly, it is relevant because if I see first mitsos then this in a space of a couple of days, I have a legitimate right to wonder what the hell is going on around here... Baristarim 01:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I still think that you are only interested in Greece and Greeks looking better (remember what I told u about mitsos above?).. Great.. Wikipedia the sequel: the gang wars.. Baristarim 01:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for deleting the relative comment. That is precisely the reason we shouldn't let relative comments be lost in a sea of unrelative ones. This issue has already been all over WP. See WP:ANI. This article talk is between 5 or 10 users. WP:ANI is for everybody. Please refrain from bringing unnecessary tension in the talk. It will help us keep track of the debate and reach a better level of communication.•NikoSilver• 10:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Mou pire ligo xrono gia na katalavw ti ennoeis...:p. den xerw an pote tha xrisimopoihsw auto to koumpi omws... An variesai akoma, rikse mia matia se afto to arthro Cretan Moslems... Hectorian 11:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Test

The definition of Macedonia is a great source of confusion due to the overlapping use of the term to describe geographical, political and historical areas, languages and peoples. Ethnic groups inhabiting the area use different terminology for the same entity, or the same terminology for different entities, which is often confusing to other inhabitants of the region and foreigners alike.

Historically, the region has presented markedly shifting borders across the Balkan peninsula. Geographically, no single definition of its borders or the names of its subdivisions is accepted by all scholars and ethnic groups. Demographically, it is mainly inhabited by four ethnic groups, three of which self-identify as Macedonians: One Slavic group does so at a national level, while another, Bulgarians, as well as a Greek one do so at a regional level. Linguistically, the names and origins of the languages and dialects spoken in the region are a source of controversy. Politically, the use of the name Macedonia has led to a diplomatic dispute between Greece and the Republic of Macedonia. Despite intervention from the United Nations, the dispute is still pending full resolution.

Regardless of the borderless, historic nature of the region, Macedonia can be safely considered as lying in the heart of the Balkan peninsula. Therefore, the reason for this polyonymy, heteronymy and confusion can be summarised in Winston Churchill's words: "The Balkan region has a tendency to produce more history than it can consume." (More...)

Perfect - FrancisTyers · 10:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded a new version for the history pic in my talk (hit ctrl-F5). : (a) Zoomed-in maps, (b) Added quote, per Sept. instructions. Guys, I try to cooperate as much as I can, but I really find this picture dull, and confusing in this size (which btw is already a little larger than usual tfa's). Sorry, I still prefer the geo version, and I am willing to discuss further to improve it, if that is possible... Please continue this talk at User talk:Pmanderson#Hi Sept...•NikoSilver• 12:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Re block

Hi Niko and thanks for the note. If you know the users quite well and you see that unblocking them would help the discussion than i'll surely reconsider my block. -- Szvest 00:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Done anyway! Happy editing. -- Szvest 00:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Ohh sure. The block should never be intended to silence people anyway. It was a matter of applying a policy to sort stuff out. Cheers. -- Szvest 00:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Just wanted to drop bye and say hello! I rarelly meet you on Wikipedia! :) Was wondering if yah need help with anythin'? The elections weren't as all of us participated/had hoped for - but they brought stability and Montenegro is on its way to join the European Union. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The only remaining things are the Constitutions of Serbia and Montenegro (each). Constitutionally, Serbia and Montenegro are still parts of Yugoslavia; which actually made the 2000 Compromise and the 2003 transition to a loosse State Union unconstitutional (and thus the 2006 Montenegrin independence referendum), as well as the 1999> UN protectorate of Kosovo. :D The Constitutions still obliege the two states to be the guard of the Serb people in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia (remember the war-time?) --HolyRomanEmperor 18:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi HRE. Jesus! Some complicated shit you got over there! I had no idea, but to my knowledge, all constitutions have a clause in their preample, which reads smthng like: "The ultimate governing force of the country is its people. The constitution aims to protect the people, and the people are responsible for the content of the constitution." At least the Greek one has a relative clause (maybe I'm not reproducing it well, but that's the meaning). So, in that case, I guess the people has taken (or can take) the situation in their hands...•NikoSilver• 21:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

E psit, euxaristo gia to stirigma sto arthro alla ap'oti blepo tora kai sto paroligon block! ;) Telospanton ekana apo noris tis praktikes mou kai egine mpaxalo, des ton pinaka anakoinoseon ton antministratoron na gelaseis! Miskin 02:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue I - September 2006

The September 2006 issue of the WikiProject History of Greece newsletter has been published.

You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link.

Thank you.--Yannismarou 07:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Humour

I was reading your userpage and saw the humourous links... In one of them, i found something that i consider more funny [23]. LOL! sounds like Sméagol:) Hectorian 16:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ha! That's exactly how I intended to sound back then! •NikoSilver• 16:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Pontian Greek Genocide

Can you give me a link to where El_C determins that the result is the tag removal? Thanks. --WinHunter (talk) 12:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I originally inclined to remove those tags but after Khoikhoi setup a straw poll in the talk page I think it would be better to let a reasonable time to elapse (a concensus is shown) until a removal of those tags. --WinHunter (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo

What's your bid on Kosovo? - all started there in 1989/1990; isn't it funny that it's all going to end there (hoefully by the end of this year)? --HolyRomanEmperor 15:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

No bid. There are many scenarios. I need to study the developments, but I have something in mind, which I think would be appropriate. Can't say it, and can't say if it will happen either...•NikoSilver• 16:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, my personal scenario is some form of Kosovar independence (almost full recognition) and numerious Serb districts across... say 30-35%? with a moderate degree of autonomy and special links to Belgrade, rather than Pristina (similiar to the Serb Republic in Bosnia and Herzegovina). I also think that the Ecclasiastic Republic of the Serbian Orthodox Church in Pec should be realized as well (in the manner of Mount Athos). Anyway - if you think it's unappropriate to say it open - you could always email me. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
That would be approximately what I had in mind. However, some would favor clear solutions with minimum enclaves, but I don't know if... the people themsleves would prefer to be part of a population exchange. In any case, the situation seems somewhat unstable. It surely needs cool temper from all sides. •NikoSilver• 14:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't support that (and I think that neither side does). That reminds me of Bosnia, where the old Serb Republic's regime after the war had a population resettlement policy to colonize all areas of the Dayton Agreement-drawn RS and make Serbs in majority everywhere (and non-Serbs nowhere) by the Serb refugees cleansed from Croatia and the rest of Bosnia and Herzegovina. They even had a population exchange (the Moslem-Croat Federation and the Serb Republic). This made the territory of RS - usually always almost unpopulated in history - densly overpopulated by ethnic Serbs. But now they remorse for it - and Serbs are again a majority in the Una-Sana Canton of the Federation. Other exiled or relocated are returning as well. Compare that to Kosovo. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I am skeptical of the independence of Kosovo. What happened to the Greek community in Constantinople regardless of the state's promises and international obligations (see Istanbul Pogrom) will likely happen to the Serb community in Kosovo. Kosovo is a breeding ground for nationalists: either the (Muslim) Albanian nationalists will incite it, or the Serb nationalists will provoke it. Wouldn't some sort of partition be viable? --Tzekai 18:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, well, such a pogrom did occur on the Kosovo's Serbs in two scales - one in 1999 (with the retreating of the Yugoslav/Serbian forces) and the other in 2004 unrest in Kosovo. Then, the majority of Serbs has been "cornered" in North Kosovo (not counting the Kosovo Serb enclaves that manage to survive by some oddity). I know you probably think that the results of the Greco-Turkish 1920s war were a good solution - but did all those Greeks in Smyrna, Trebizond and Constantinople want to leave? And what happened to the Turks in Thessalonica? Don't tell me that the current governments regret that they had a population exchange (are they, Nico?) --HolyRomanEmperor 11:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

If there was something to feel regret about, I suspect that would not be the population exchange. Some Greeks feel regret about historically Greek 'lost' lands (Constantinople and Smyrna) while I suspect that also some Turks feel regret about 'lost' lands in Macedonia. All in all, had the outcome of the war been 'fair', most partisan and non-partisan scholars would not state today that 'Greece lost the war'. Would they?In any case, all this discussion borders historical revisionism, irredentism, expansionism and nationalism, so I would not like to continue, since I like things as they are now. No more bloody changes in borders please, no matter what Greece or Turkey would gain. •NikoSilver• 12:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. I just have no idea what will be the Story of Kossovo.... --HolyRomanEmperor 12:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Cunning disguise

What do you think? - FrancisTyers · 11:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

See anal virgin! •NikoSilver• 11:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Votestacking: if you vote for me, I can promise you that I will cease your virginity. I can assure you it's better the other way. Duja 11:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I've already voted for you, you sinful promiscuous extortionist! Oh, and I know how to sew it back: I'll call myself User:Niko Silver! The question is what are you going to do; is User:Du ja appropriate? :-) •NikoSilver• 12:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Ahh, pardon my daltonism; your unremarkable signature gets easily lost in the crowd. As for my account name, I admit you caught me pants down — I've got nowhere to run indeed. Perhaps Do Ya?
But you didn't answer my question on virginity... Duja 12:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Check the history or your RfA. •NikoSilver• 16:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I saw it. We'll arrange something if nothing gets wrong in the process :-). Duja 09:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Man, you have ~4800 well-spread edits, (fuck the edit summaries), I'm impressed by your contributions, and I must say that your sense of humor really appeals me (Other people's mileage may vary). I'm lazy to check your archives, but have it ever occured to anyone that you might make a good admin? Besides, now that Francis is out, we could block each other regarding issues on the Country formerly known as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, providing mutual pleasure. I'm also contemplating a AfD RfA proposing your compatriot from the Country having several names but reserving copyright for few more... Duja 20:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Well spread? Ok, if you say so!
Edit summaries? Fuck them indeed!
Humor? Who's being humorous?
Admin? Naaah, I'd never go through these guys!
Pleasure? You mean something like that? (see both)
Compatriot? More like a Tyrolese polyglot!
Country? Mu! It is an idea!
Formerly Former? Try Forever isolated!
Reserving copyright? More like protecting against identity and history falsification:
Signed: Duja 00:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Greek Muslims

Γειά χαρά!, Τι θα γίνει με αυτό το θέμα? Πάνε και κάνουν άρθα όπως το Turks_of_Western_Thrace και Muslim_minority_of_Greece, πρέπει καταρχάς να αφαιρεθούν όλες οι αναφορές σε "τούρκικές" μειονότητες αλλά να γίνουν και npov. Επειδη είμαι σχετικά νέος στην wikipedia θέλω να μου πείς τι μπορούμε να κάνουμε
Τhanks,--GrWikiMan 10:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Diafora

Mi sinhizese! To na iparhun i proidopiisis sto arthro den simeni oti to arthro tha metonomasti. Des to ilektroniko su tahidromio. --Tzekai 21:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

To problhma mou den einai mhn metonomastei. To problhma mou einai na fygoun oi proeidopoihseis. •NikoSilver• 21:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Your first block!

You have been blocked for the following reasons:

  1. Disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point
  2. Conspiracy of the Macedonist cabal I secretly worship
  3. OMG! Rouge admin abuse!
  4. Pure pleasure
  5. As a proof that I fulfill my promises

I hope you enjoy being blocked here and not being a virgin anymore! Please sign your name on your talk page using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, or place {{unblock}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Duja 12:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha! Thanks, now I can finally start exposing my promiscuity!! •NikoSilver• 13:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
15 minutes? Boy you're fast!! •NikoSilver• 13:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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Request reason: "I am not a virgin anymore!."

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•NikoSilver• 13:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

There. If you want more, just go ahead and ask. Don't be shy... Duja 14:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey bre, I didn't now that you even claim inventing this! Yet another case of hellenic macedonism! Everyone knows that bre is purely Serbian word and, Serbs being an older civillization than Greek, you have borrowed it from us and shortened it because you can't properly pronounce anything! Retract this article or I'll block'ya all! Duja 14:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha! Malakies aside, I didn't know you use it too ore! (btw check other modern variations bre!) •NikoSilver• 14:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Nah, it's Turkish Old Bulgarian Turanian Arvanitic Basque Balkanese. Seriously though, there's a lot more to it than what the Wiki article says: [24]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Here comes the babbler babeler. Now seriously (for a change), really interesting read. Should be mentioned in Re (or whatever it's called) and Balkan linguistic union. Duja 15:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I'm putting it on my to-do list (which is looooong...) Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I thought you said he was a compatriot. I guess he too is one of those polyglot fans of the idea. Oh, and be sure to add that phrase:
While the relationships among these forms and the Greek forms noted above are perhaps still to be resolved, it seems clear, as Eric Hamp3 has put it “the locus is more in the Greek world than elsewhere”.
And don't you all re think that I isolated that comment coz I'm a Greek nationalist re! •NikoSilver• 15:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

LOLOL! :)) - Francis Tyers · 10:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Sources

:)

- Francis Tyers · 15:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I got them and will be looking at them this morning. During the week I don't have internet access after 7pm. - Francis Tyers · 08:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

UN, La Francophonie και ΠΓΔΜ

Και στους δύο οργανισμούς η ΠΓΔΜ έχει μπει ως "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html και " Ex-République yougoslave de Macédoine" http://www.francophonie.org/oif/membres.cfm

Για ποιό λόγο στα αντίστοιχα τους άρθρα http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_member_states#Current_members και http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Francophonie#Europe αναφέρεται ως "Republic of Macedonia"; Αφού η ίδια χώρα έχει δεχτεί αυτή την ονομασία στους παραπάνω οργανισμούς, το λογικό είναι στα συγκεκριμένα άρθρα τα links να είναι the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sakis79 (talk • contribs) 10:52, October 2, 2006

Το θέμα έχει ήδη τεθεί με αρχή το Template:EU countries and candidates. Δες το σχετικό talk. Μόλις εδραιωθεί η συγκεκριμμένη λύση, θα προωθηθεί σε όλα τα σχετικά άρθρα. Θα σε ενημερώσω για σχετικές συζητήσεις. •NikoSilver• 11:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Ti kanis Niko! Ego einai kalo topa! anyway, I have an idea. I think we should put the moving Macedonia map in Macedonia Region as well as in Macedonia terminology what do you think? Yasou! Heraklios 22:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Bravo! ole einai entaksi Heraklios 23:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Δεν βλέπω να προχωράει το θέμα... αν αρχίσω να τα αλλάζω (αυτά που πρέπει), θα αρχίσουν να μου τα χώνουν και να με λένε βάνδαλο! Καμιά ιδέα; :-) xvvx 17:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Μην ανησυχείς. Περίμενε προς το παρόν. •NikoSilver• 21:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The new West's eye on the Balkans

See this draft. It was drawn as a supposed solution to the Balkan Question - strictly ethnical boundries. They see a Confederate "Serb State" composed out of Serbia (but with only North Kosovo), Montenegro, most southern Croatian coastlan and the Serb Republic, whereas a greater Albania would be created with a greater part of Kosovo-Metohija and with mostnorthwestern Macedonia. Croatia would receive the mostsouthwestern Croat-populated part of Bosnia-Herzegovina, while the rest of BiH would become an independent Bosniak country. They also see a part of Romania as a part of Hungary and a part of Bulgaria as a part of Turkey. Population resettlement is predicted (especially on Kosovo).

Notice they left you guys out? :))) --PaxEquilibrium 22:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not fair. Albanians get to fulfill their irredentist dreams against Serbia. Why don't Greeks get to fulfill their irredentist dreams against Albania (Northern Epirus)!--Tekleni 22:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Where do they see part of Bulgaria as part of Turkey and who are 'they'? •NikoSilver• 23:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
They see it in this text.--Tekleni 23:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Who is 'they' and what does the text say? •NikoSilver• 23:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Tou exo pei 100 fores gia tin Konstantinoupoli alla den katalabainei ki epimenei sto na xrisimopoiei to omonimo arthro os pigi. Genika einai o pio peismataris kai spasarxidis wikipedios pou exo gnorisei pote mou, nomizo irthe i ora na ton karfosoume gia ta tria rho. Miskin 00:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Eimai se dileimma tora na ton karfoso i oxi. Leo na tou tin xariso elpizontas oti tha symorfothei. An ksanarxisei aurio tha tou tin xoso. Prepei na exei kanei toulaxiston 5 rvs, alla sta poustika, mazi me edits kai einai dyskolo na entopistoun. Elpizo na min exo kseperasei ki ego ta 3 omos. Miskin 01:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Gligan

I warned him that such behaviour is totally out of place here (and in general) and suggested contributing to other topics instead of personal and national attacks and ultranationalist POV. I hope he'll reconsider hsi behaviour. Todor→Bozhinov 08:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.•NikoSilver• 10:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Is this still ongoing, or nationalism is yet again controlled?   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Ρε Νικο!

Εσενα τι σε πειραζουν τα ρατσιστικα σχολια? Δεν ειπα και τιποτα φοβερο, για το τζαμι στην αθηνα ειπα! Ιδιαιτερως μου μιλας και εδω, δεν χρειαζεται να δωσω το μειλ μου (και να δει κανεις αυτα που μου λες δεν πειραζει). Φιλικα Mitsos 13:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Ox, kai sy pou kolas! Pes oti exeis na peis kai egw 8a to diagrapsw. Den nomizw oti auto pou 8es na mou peis einai kai toso kako (ektos an 8es na me arxiseis sta binelikia, opote giati na sou dosw to mail?). Sorry gia ta greeklish, alla me pairnei mia wra na grapsw ellinika. Mitsos 13:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Otan les asyndeto me mena enoeis to site pou mou edeikses. Omws pws mporw na ftiaksw mail ekei? Telospantwn, esy ti provlhma exeis afou den 8es na grapseis kati kako? Mitsos 14:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

E, den xreiazetai na mou peis kai to onoma sou h thn dieuthinsh kai tetoia! Koita ti kalh syzhthsh kanoume me ton User:Subversive element kai leme kai proswpika pragmata. Mitsos 10:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Den leei pouthena Subscribe now leei Sign Up Now Mitsos 10:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Sto sign up process sto Word verification: ti grafw??? Mitsos 11:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Truce

Sure no problems :)) It is true that we got off to a wrong start. U know, we can disagree but it's never personal.. so truce - u r right, it would be more constructive if we took it down a notch :) take care man Baristarim 10:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism warning

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

--Pegasusbot 01:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean gorter (talk • contribs)

If this was a joke, I apologize for spoiling it... Duja 07:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
It's still a joke because тхе гуз спеакс тхе трутх! •NikoSilver• 12:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Βελλ, ιφ θατ'ς θε κασε... σορρυ. Ντουγια 14:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Is that the new fad or something? Write English in various other alphabets? Btw, it is colloquially гъз, not гуз.   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Όχι, αυτό είναι που εγώ θα κάνω μόδα! •NikoSilver• 21:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
No I'm not him.   /FunkyFly.talk_  14:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
He is indef blocked already, I just marked the user page.   /FunkyFly.talk_  14:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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