User talk:MrMarmite/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Lead image for list

Hi MrMarmite, I see you've removed the image of Gertrude Bell from the list. Is there any reason why a list of women explorers should not be illustrated with an image of a woman explorer? The only possible image is of an actual explorer, unless there should be a photo of a group of them at the RGS or something... so I am somewhat at a loss to understand the deletion. It is perfectly legitimate for lists to have an introductory section (indeed, it's encouraged), and this can, indeed should, be illustrated with suitable photographs or other images that enliven the topic, draw in the reader, or otherwise inform or give background to the list. All the best - Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:22, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Peter Gabriel

Re. the Ancestry.co.uk links: I appreciate that links to locations requiring registration are a non-starter on Wiki, that's why I made sure that the page I was linking to was visible without membership/logging on. If that's still not acceptable, fair enough. It's just a shame that, on a page specifically requesting more citations, they have to be binned. Especially when so many Wiki biogs cite webpages which have simply copied their content from Wikipedia in the first place. 86.2.48.151 (talk) 17:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

For fixing my grammar. :-) Henrik 12:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Britney Spears/editing

Hi there. I apologize if my links were not by the book, but I would like some clarification about why you pulled them down. Buzznet is a community site and we work with artists, managers and record labels to provide a place for their fans to communicate, read interviews, swap photos and such. Why would that link be any more or less valid than a link to MySpace or YouTube? I understand if you thought that the Britney contest link was more of a timely thing - I actually tried to get some feedback on the discussion page before I posted it, but nobody responded. I think we provide a resource for photos and artist information/interaction that is unique and would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks Smogqueen (talk) 16:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Marmite

Thought you could use this for your userpage or summat. Just click 'edit this page' to get the code out to copy n paste to another page is how I do it:)

You either love it or you hate it.:)

Merkinsmum (talk) 00:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

britney apostrophe debate being discussed more formally

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#So_who.27s_right_here.3F feel free to join in :) Special Random (Merkinsmum) 13:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Genesis

"a series of seemingly unstructured words, both real and invented" -- Indeed. Sorry about that, and thanks for catching it. (I had started an attempt at a more concise edit of that spot and planned to come back to it). Jgm (talk) 01:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Apostrophe in the Dutch word "euro's"

While I share your obsession with punctuation, I would just like to point out that the use of the apostrophe does differ per language. In Dutch, the word "euro" is pluralized with an apostrophe. Just make sure you read a bit of the context before editing, please. SergioGeorgini (talk) 00:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Grace Marguerite Hay Drummond-Hay

That is interesting about her being your great aunt. The era between the wars interests me, mainly the airships and the characters involved. I looked for more on Lady Grace, and also on Clara, but there's not much information online. Note that I've added another cite, from 1946, for cause of death, but I've no idea how accurate Time magazine was in those days, the language is certainly flowery. I also added a related paragraph to William Randolph Hearst, with a plea for polishing. -84user (talk) 11:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

If you mean Dr Eckener’s Dream Machine by Douglas Botting, no I haven't read it, but I've just found this channel 4 link and I've added some sources to Talk:Grace Marguerite Hay Drummond-Hay. One day I'll have to get that book. -84user (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Britney Spears

Hi there. Please review my notes on the Britney Spears talk page. I added a comment after yours on the Ivor Novello Award. I want to see if you agree before we make any changes. Thanks. NMBJ69 (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for my edits at the Tomb Raider (series) article. Would you like to take a look, please, when you have time, at the Music of Tomb Raider series article, for spelling and grammar. --Tulok (talk) 15:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone to Watch over Me (film)

Please do not be disruptive. If you want this page to be moved,request it,but do not simply copy & paste because it destroys the entire history. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 15:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I did....but unless I am mistaken you moved it back to the "over" version. MrMarmite (talk) 16:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No probs, I think I've got them all now ;) EyeSerene^talk 16:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

CIS

I hope our trigger happy Wikipedians will allow Georgia to stay under "Former members". However, please note that we have a very serious problem with Ukraine. First, it is now not anywhere in the list of members (current, associate, or former). Second, the whole discussion of Ukraine in the lead and in the separate section devoted to this country is highly dubious, to say the least. How do we deal with this? Wait until the situation stabilizes and the emotions cool down? --Zlerman (talk) 01:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Live over Europe 2007

I noticed you wanted to change the name of Live over Europe 2007... hate to be a WP:NC stickler, but the consensus at the One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest talk page doesn't apply here. On OFOtCN, the author seemingly capitalized the word "over" purposely. However, there's no evidence that Genesis wanted "over" to be capitalized, either through a verbal statement or the cover art (the title's displayed in all caps on the cover art). Therefore, the preposition "over" shouldn't be capitalized as per WP:NC. Thanks for understanding, Xnux the Echidna 00:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Redirection and discussion

Hi. :) With regards to Frank Dillane, procedural discussions are not necessary for uncontroversial redirections. See Help:Merging and moving pages. As that document notes, "Merging is a normal editing action, something any editor can do, and as such does not need to be proposed and processed...." (I know it seems peculiar that redirect is a form of merge, but it also points out that "If there is no information to be added to the destination page, you can simply redirect the other page there...." As you know, most of the information in that article is unsourced. The only other verified fact is a small role in another film.)

This individual, documented to have two evidently small roles, does not indicate notability per WP:ENTERTAINER, which requires that an actor (a) has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions, (b) has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following; (c) has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." Although the article at its inception indicate this person "starred" in a film, the IMDb listing suggests significantly otherwise. His role in the upcoming Harry Potter film is as one of two children playing the character at an earlier age (he plays Tom Riddle as a teenager; Ralph Fiennes' nephew plays him at age 11. He is also played at age 18 by Michael Berendt). This movie is currently under production, and the significance of this particular actor in that role is unestablished. Given the brevity, the lack of sourcing and the evident non-notability of the actor, this article does not substantiate stand-alone status. But, again, there is nothing substantial here to merge. The notable fact--that he is playing the role--is already in the article.

Since your only objection seems to have been procedural (which is also addressed at Help:Merge), I am restoring the redirect. If you disagree that redirection is appropriate, please feel free to undo that and explain your objection at the article's talk page so that we might reach consensus on the matter. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Genesis Wikiproject

Hello! I am just wondering on if you would be interested in joining a Genesis Wikiproject, if I were to make one. I am currently thinking about starting one, as I think it would be nice to get all Genesis fans to work together and collaborate. If you would be interested in the idea of having such a project, please respond to me on my talkpage. Thank you, and have a nice day! CarpetCrawler (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Richard Wright

I am sorry just as you to hear of his death. I don't know what to say. Sorry to see you were the unfortunate one who had to change the word from "is" to "was," especially in this case. May he rest in peace. He will be missed by many. MuZemike (talk) 06:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

British English on HHGTTG

Hi there. I've just changed back your spelling correction of installment. According to the OED link it's double l, and I'm pretty sure that's how I've always spelt it. --Ged UK (talk) 10:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

That's interesting. It may be one of those words that has varied spelling between british dictionaries, but I'm one of those sticklers that thinks if the OED has a particular spelling, then that's the right spelling! If you look up instalment (one l) on OED it redirects to the double l spelling. I'll have a look on the wikitionary page. --Ged UK (talk) 10:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, well, looking at the OED online, they do seem to imply that either is acceptable. There is a footnote, but I can't work out how to access that. I'm not going to loose sleep over it either way as long as it's consistent throughout the article :) --Ged UK (talk) 10:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. I found this as well. http://www.askoxford.com/betterwriting/spelling/ MrMarmite (talk) 10:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess that confirms it! Thanks for that. Still doesn't explain the vagary of the OED entry, but I'm not too worried about that. --Ged UK (talk) 11:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Tomb Raider

I do not need to discuss every large-scale deletion I make, only if there's obvious controversy involved (this does not include people "liking the content"). The music section is just OR, with no sources whatsoever - the OR was created by editors, it's not based on a reliable secondary source. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Guy Ritchie

I would like to know why you took down the Kabbalah section on the above captioned page. I did not create the category - only added the last two paragraphs with citation (edited under username "Nocontradiction"). Why did you edit this legitimate cited topic with the marriage comment made by another user? Furthermore, why did you not justify the edit? An explanation is greatly appreciated. Thanks! --Tangents (talk) 01:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Simple.... I didn't. I think you need to look at the edit history again. Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 08:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't understand

i don't understand why you have deleted an anonymous edit on Tomb Raider series article. Thanks. --TudorTulok (talk) 10:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I do. (And btw, MrMarmite, I appreciate your edit and explanation on Britney Spears products. That article seemed way over the line on commercialism. [1]) Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 21:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Britney Spears/GA1

Heads up guys. --Efe (talk) 00:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Spears' vs. Spears's

Thank you for contributing to the article. However, despite your claim that the 'Wikipedia Style Guide' is in your favour, it is not. The MoS clearly states that either Spears' or Spears's is correct (I'll note that my spellchecker, however, considers Spears's to be incorrect, and Google has 11 *million* more hits on "Spears' " over "Spears'"). That said, it also states that the article needs to be consistent. I changed it because it was not; it used both forms of it. All the citations within the page refer to Spears', and so I changed it to be consistent within the page with all other uses of it on the page.

That said, when you went and changed it citing the OED instead of the flexibility of the Wikipedia's MoS, you didn't actually change all the incidents within the article itself. As such, because you reintroduced the inconsistency that I corrected, I have changed it once again. Until the inconsistency is reintroduced by another user, it should remain as stands.

This is me speaking as an editor, not as an admin, however if you wish to change it yet again, please feel free to take it to any other administrator and make sure they read this before they make their decision. --Thespian (talk) 10:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Most style guides say that "Spears'" would be correct because that is how it is pronounced, c.f. St. James's'. See Fowler. If MoS says that, MoS is wrong. (And I've had to argue several times with gaps or errors in MoS it is not invincible.) The fact that Spear's call themselves that on the board games is prima facie evidence how it should be called, cf. Barclays, Woolworths, Lloyds which do NOT use an apostrophe, Sainsbury's which does but is J Sainsbury plc, et cetera ad nauseam. Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Alex Higgins

Hi, is Wiki policy to retain the apostrophe in the singular "s", e.g. the change you made: Higgins' [quickness] -> Higgins's [quickness] Higgins' is at perfectly correct in UK English and at least as common as Higggin's (and a lot less ugly!). bigpad (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll answer here and leave a note on your page. I can only assume by your message that English is not your first language. I have to say I am struggling to understand the reference to "quickness". Higgin's is just plain wrong, his name is not Higgin. It's not a question of wiki policy, wikipedia does not define what is correct grammar. It's an increasingly common error (IMHO) that any word ending with s looses the post-apostrophe s. There is no logic to that. Have a look at any of the Harry Potter books, for example, and all the names ending with s, and there are many, take the post-apostrophe s when used in the possessive. My own name ends in s and it's something I have had to correct many time. Thanks so much for your question, I hope I have explained my edit. MrMarmite (talk) 19:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello again, thanks for your message. English is indeed my first language (pity it isn't Irish but that's another story!). I don't understand how you can say that it is *incorrect to write (for example, "Alex Higgins' achievements include..")! With a noun (proper or otherwise) ending in "s", the genitive singular is formed by adding an apostrophe or 's to the "s". Both options are correct but UK and Irish English usually prefers the former. Alex's surname is "Higgins", therefore the genitive of his name is Higgins' or Higgins's. I'll revert to the former usage in the article as per normal UK/Ireland practice. My query to you related only to Wikipedia's policy on the use of 's or ' in such cases (if indeed a policy exists!). All the best, bigpad (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at [2]. I can't stop you changing it back, that's the nature of wikipedia. However, Lynne Truss, J K Rowling, the BBC seem to indicate otherwise. Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 19:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Glad to see I am not the only one who finds this annoying :) As you say, good to see JKR getting it right in all the Harry Potter books. ACarPark (talk) 19:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

But that's *your POV about what's 'right!'. I was editing there now and lost it when yours came in first! Anyhow, I was saying that the BBC, for instance, shows that either version is acceptable. That's their hosue style and you'd expect them to adopt one or the other. But neither is more 'correct' than the other and neither is compulsory. I keep an eye on the Higgins(!) page and prefer the apostrophe there, which has been the case for a whiee, but don't revert s's in other pages I come across. Regards, bigpad (talk) 20:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

As I said, I can't stop you editing, and have no wish to do so. That's the beauty of Wiki. I can't be bothered to deal with this issue any more. I've tried to explain the reasoning, but clearly not successfully. Luckily, I am paid as an author in other mediums than wikipedia. Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 20:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I wish I was paid more regularly for my editing work! All the best, bigpad (talk) 22:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Fact on Tomb Raider (series)

You have putted a fact form on the Tomb Raider article on the music section. I left you a comment there, which can be removed with the sentence itself after a while but I would really like that sentence to remain there because I know it is not wrong, only uncited. I don't know if you have listened to much Tomb Raider music or if you have interest in this domain. --TudorTulok (talk) 10:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Good idea for rewrite but probably best to put at discussion first SimonTrew (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Britney Spears date

Hi

I previously put 1993 onward in the Britney Spears article, as according to WP:DATE it was preferred over 1993 - present, and I came to assume that this should be the form in any instance. However, upon further reading as well as discussion with others, the "since 1993" form was preferred above all. I may change it back to that once I have a response. Dark Prime (talk) 20:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, sorry for the confusion! Dark Prime (talk) 20:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Jemima Khan

Hi, Jemima Khan is and would I am sure wish to be described precisely as I have said, namely, she is a British-born, UK-based Pakistani journalist and social commentator.

THAT is what I have said. She is being libelled I believe by the person who created her wikipedia "bio" who wishes to focus on salacious alleged facts about her personal life.

Someone needs to adjudicate the plain facts in this situation.

Certainly I am not familiar with how Wikipedia works but please try to realise that I am the one trying to prevent the libellous salacious stuff produced about her.

Seekers2008 (talk) 11:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Children of Michael Jackson

A prod is for uncontroversial deletions, a speedy is for obvious deletions. This fits into neither category- I reccomend you take it to AfD. J Milburn (talk) 12:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Bruno

Hi!

WP:PIPING states "piping or redirects should not be used in disambiguation pages". For that reason, we should not add Brüno as a piped link to a disambiguation entry. That defeats the whole purpose of having a disambiguation page which is to list entries in exactly the same way as the way in which the title of the article appears and, thereby, providing clear distinction between ambiguous terms.

Thanks. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 14:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Britney Picture

I didn't change it 100% based on personal preference. That picture is a better picture of her face then the one where she is performing. That is why I changed it. Not only that, I didn't know about the copyright status, and had the user said that was the reason, I wouldn't have changed it. ---Shadow (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Gracesepia.jpg

Hi. Some time ago, you uploaded File:Gracesepia.jpg and said that it was a photo by Sydney Thomas Lethbridge, who passed in 1925. A user has nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_August_20#File:Gracesepia.jpg. Could you provide more information at this IFD in order to verify the claim of authorship? Is it from another website (if so, can you provide the URL?) or your family photo album (if so, briefly, how did it come into your possession?) Thanks. --B (talk) 21:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ... I think just that statement should be a plenty. Wikipedia seems to have gotten a lot more paranoid in the last year or so. Traditionally, if someone made a reasonable claim of authorship (meaning, they didn't have lots of random uploads of different resolutions/camera exif data/etc) we generally took that at face value. It's the principle of first trust. But even with our new paranoia, I can't imagine anyone having a problem with your word that it is from your family album. I'll leave it open a couple of days just in case someone really wants to say something profound, but there shouldn't be a problem. It is important in uploads to be very specific so that there's no misunderstanding. --B (talk) 21:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Colbert DAB page

Sorry about listing COLBERT twice on the DAB page. I completely missed that it was mentioned below... or that all of that other materiel was there, for that matter. That was just bad, on my part.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 08:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Renault Formula One crash controversy

On 21 September 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Renault Formula One crash controversy, which you substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 16:13, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Apologies. Sorry. Aaroncrick (talk) 07:56, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Autism

See Talk:Autism#Autism_rate_not_increasing_after_all.3F. I read the same story and tried to track down the source of the info myself. It seems that the report doesnt even mention autism. And it makes sense; how would a household survey expect to be able to reach autistic adults? However, it could be that the news report is correct after all and I've made a mistake in searching for it; if you can find the original study we can talk about it on Talk:Autism. However I have removed it for now because of the reasons stated above. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 16:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

• hi there. The report is all about Autism, and I have now added a reference to the report itself. [[3]] Cheers MrMarmite (talk)

Oh, thanks. The other report I had read linked to a PDF that looked similar but had no autism-related info at all. Still, I'm not sure we can keep this, so I will follow the discussion on Talk:Autism. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 17:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The Daily Mail

Mr Marmite. Can I suggest to you that you, and a few others are systematically censoring the Daily Mail page? And continually remove "controversy" sections, in order to maintain a more favourable PR image for the newspaper on Wikipedia?

By continually deleting, sourced, accurate, edits, you are vandalising the page, and breaking most wikipedia rules on censorship.

I must warn you, there is a gathering campaign on the subject, on Twitter, and various other social networking sites, and the people who continually censor the pages will be reported, on mass —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.67 (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I replied to your somewhat bizarre message on your talk page, which was only possible after SineBot added the signature to your message.MrMarmite (talk) 09:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Marmite. We took the dispute to Wikipedia, where they happened to agree with me on the subject, and felt that the page was suffering from "ownership" issues. As in, a few users trying to shape it to their own POV, by consistently deleting sourced, verified edits.

It seems to me that the only "unsourced" points that are allowed to remain on the page, are those that a few people happen to want to be on there.

"pro capitalism" = ok.

"forthright stance on immigration" = unsourced, POV, deleted immediately.

Cjmooney9 (talk)

Family Guy characters

Why did you revert solely based on the size of the edit rather than the merits? Why do we need to have plot summaries of episodes, a description of unimportant gag characters, or celebrity cameos? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 17:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I just thought a lot of good stuff had been deleted, especially the chicken...but that's back now. No issues from me. Cheers. MrMarmite (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Slot machines - nice work

Thanks for your work on the UK section of Slot machines. I always felt it rather unsatisfactory but never had the time to look up all the details. Looks great now.

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 02:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Harry Potter

It's alright :) BOVINEBOY2008 :) 03:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Boxing Day

It wasn't meant as a piece of news, it was meant as an illustration of the previous statements, but have it your way. --Thrissel (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Phil Collins FAR

I have nominated Phil Collins for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Phil Collins

I'm not about to get into an edit war with you on PC, but I would ask that you take a look at WP:ENGVAR (last sentence in section) and specifically WP:ENGVAR#Internal_consistency, as well as WP:OWN and how it relates to the previous two. I also notice you have both WP:British_English and WP:American_English in your page. Maybe put all this together in consideration before conducting future such edits. Thanks. Srobak (talk) 21:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

buttons as jewellery

Regarding your rv of my edit at jewellery, the Victoria & Albert museum includes buttons in their jewellery collection (e.g. [4]) Do you have any authoritative source stating that buttons cannot be jewellery? (At the button article there are other links to buttons in the V&A's jewellery collection.) --TyrS (talk) 06:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Moving the following from my talk page: --TyrS (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. Whilst buttons could be jewellery, that is not their primary function. Of course a button could be jewellery, but so can many other things. Just my 2 cents. Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 07:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm working on buttons at the moment, so the "many other things" to which you refer are outside my current purview. I don't think that things listed under "See also" are required to be in all cases identical to the subject of the article. Also, you've left watches in the See also list - is their "primary function" to be jewellery? Linking to the button article from the jewellery article is worth doing because of the links there to buttons as jewellery at the V&A museum. I'm therefore restoring my edit.--TyrS (talk) 11:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Dalek variants

Please do not revert the changes again. Instead please discuss on the talk page, where I have already started a thread. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

---

Hi. I was wondering if you would like to take another look at this article and, in particular, join in the discussion on the talk page re grammar and punctuation? IMHO you have done some good work on this so far, which now seems to be in danger of being undone. I'm a little concerned when any editor (U-Mos in this instance) feels that replacing good grammar and punctuation with bad grammar and punctuation renders an article more readable and less confusing. Thanks, 80.41.183.27 (talk) 12:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer granted

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Apostrophe police

Typical grammar bullying over my apostrophe in the article Carnival (Bottom episode), no need to bully people over this. Totally agree with the Room 101 episode, all because of that stupid book Eats Shoots and Leaves people have been bullying others over it and this pathetic "Grammar police" shite has started ever since. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm2OzAX86JU Marcus Bowen (talk) 17:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not quite sure why you are suddenly upset over an edit made in June. I corrected VCR's to VCR. It's not bullying, it's the correct use of an apostrophe, it's the plural of VCR. I apologise if you find that irritating. Your use of "stupid", "pathetic" and "shite" seem to indicate something more deep seated. Whilst the book was very interesting, my knowledge of English grammar and punctuation flowed from my education decades beforehand. Wishing all the best. MrMarmite (talk) 20:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

re: Phil Collins

I could have sworn I was reverting someone else adding it. My mistake. Nymf _hideliho! 17:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Things that are "near"

Hi! While you said in an edit summary "lots of places are near Uxbridge, but this is an article about Uxbridge"

But... sometimes you want to report on things near Uxbridge. In this case, a The Telegraph article said it was "in" Uxbridge ("Willie Walsh, the CEO of British Airways at the head offices in Uxbridge on the eve of a 4 day walkout by BA cabin crew."). We know it's really in Harmondsworth, but when reliable secondary sources describe items being associated with Uxbridge, we need to mention those items on the Uxbridge page, even if they aren't technically in Uxbridge.

The cutoff for whether to mention something "near" a place is whether reliable secondary (maybe in some instances primary municipal pages too) sources mention the place near the location in relation to the location. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Collins deletion

Heya - just wondering if you really intended/wanted to delete the stuff you just did from the PC article - your edit summary says "those songs arent by PC", and while that statement is true - that section is not referring to songs he did, but rather focuses on the signature drum sound which was then adopted by other artists of the era and are notable. I am good either way - I am just curious if it should be deleted considering the true nature of what it is referencing. Thanks :) Srobak (talk) 15:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Looking at the other titles, they are all PC. It could be read either way, but as all the rest were PC, I came to the conclusion that's what the list was. Not that bothered either way, if it's important to you. Thanks for taking the time to discuss. MrMarmite (talk) 19:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the succinct details in your edit summary on your reverts of my copyedits to the PC article. I defer to the mostly-UK style of the article and will leave it "stet". I see from reading this page and your User Page that —like your cited Lynne Truss— "possessive apostrophe" style issues are a pet peeve with you. Since modern usage (I cite ...Jesus' sermons...) and the Chicago Manual of Style (and the WP:MOS which others have failed to convince you with) allows either application, again, I'll not pick this bone of contention with you. I would suggest, since you are someone who points to their professional writer status, that you watch such grammatical faux paus as typing "loose" for "lose" when trying to make a point in future summaries. Cheers from Across the Pond!— DennisDallas (talk) 20:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

"punctuation inside the parentheses in UK ENG"

I'm afraid I'm a bit puzzled by this edit and summary, as: no parentheses were involved, but rather, quotation marks, around various titles; British English uses "logical punctuation", rather than "typesetter's punctuation"; and, Wikipedia uses LP too, throughout, and regardless of ENGVAR considerations. Could you please clarify (and if appropriate, revert)? Thanks. 84.203.34.252 (talk) 05:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You are quite correct. As an Anglo-American my punctuation-brain seemed to slip the wrong side of the tracks on this edit. Thanks for your clear questioning. MrMarmite (talk) 07:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the prompt correction. I do feel some degree of your pain over ENGVAR issues (even if technically, this isn't one as such). 84.203.34.252 (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Mill Hill School

Hi there. I noticed that you reverted my edit to Mill Hill School which changed the category of Independent schools in London to Independent schools in Bromley. All Independent schools in London have now been recategorised to their respective London borough (as indeed have all schools in London). As a general Independent schools in London category is too broad for an area that hold about 8 million people. Many thanks -- Bleaney (talk) 12:28, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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Album article leads

Hi, I've noticed that you've been going through album articles and removing the performing artist's genre and nationality. I thought I should inform you there's a consensus against this, as noted in Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide: "Also to be mentioned are the artist's nationality, the artist's genre, release date and record label—wikilink when possible." If you still think the artist's genre and nationality shouldn't be mentioned, that's fine with me, but you really should go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums and try to get a consensus to change that guideline before going around making changes. Otherwise, you'll just be correcting a tiny handful of articles (and other editors are likely to revert those edits), while the overwhelming majority of album articles remain the same.--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the note. I'm fine either way, it just seemed too much information, but I can see it either way. Happy to change it back if you want. Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 15:06, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

2012 opening ceremony

We should be able to get the Queen to open the ceremony without splitting the infinitive, surely? IanB2 (talk) 19:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Space fighter disambiguation

Hello MrMarmite, I saw that you had changed the links for space fighter at Starfox back to the disambiguation page. Since we aren't supposed to have links to disambiguation pages (WP:INTDAB), and there is no article for that specific space fighter, I thought a link to List of fictional spacecraft#Space fighters would be most helpful. There's a general description of what a space fighter would be, then a list of space fighters from other sources. There's nothing helpful for the reader at Starfighter, which is where space fighter redirects to. An article about the specific space fighter used in Starfox would be perfect, but failing that what do you think we should do? Thanks. SchreiberBike (talk) 02:40, 5 September 2012 (UTC) PS an Australian friend once shared some marmite with me and I quite enjoyed it.

If there's no objection, I'll change that back. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 21:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

My only point was that the linked page made no mention of Hawkins and was therefore confused as the purpose of the link. MrMarmite (talk) 10:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Stardog deletion

I'm not invested in there being a Stardog article. I'm okay with it being deleted, actually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwvisser (talk • contribs) 18:12, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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Phil Collins

You seem to one of the better editors, so I thought I'd let you know that the Phil Collins page seems to be under attack from vandals at the moment determined to call him every name under the sun in the intro. I've made several edits to them but I'm getting a bit bored of going back and seeing it changed again. I think the intro at the moment is sufficient.

Ghastly comment from someone who clearly needs to read WP:JDLI and WP:OWN. Everything added to Collins of late is fully cited and there's no vandalism at all. Two distinctive monikers are given briefly in the lede, not "every name under the sun". How dare anyone challenge your view of how the Collins article should look, Sir Owner. 94.11.164.233 (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

December 2013

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons. Thank you. --John (talk) 10:39, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Quite simply, I didn't. I merely reversed your removal of all the references to The Daily Mail. Where are you drawing a line? Would a quote from The Times be OK, The Telegraph? The Daily Mail might be a loathsome rag, but it is one of, if not the, most widely read newspapers in the the UK? As asked, please take your concerns to the talk page. Thanks MrMarmite (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I also notice you simply deleted the comment left on your page. That's quite telling in itself. MrMarmite (talk) 12:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

John, please could you take your swathing cuts to the talk page first. Could you also elaborate on your supposition that a Collins quote in The Daily Mail is not a valid reference? It might be a ghastly reactionary piece of drivel, but a quote in a national newspaper is a valid source MrMarmite (talk) 12:44, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

No, I have said what there is to be said on article talk already. We can't use tabloids like the Daily Mail as sources on a BLP. Sorry, but if there is something worthwhile for our purposes, a better source will have covered it. --John (talk) 12:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

So what constitutes a valid newspaper and an invalid one? MrMarmite (talk) 12:51, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

See WP:BLPSOURCES. --John (talk) 12:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

where in that does it make a distinction between, for example, The Times and The Daily Mail? What wording in that policy are you referencing? MrMarmite (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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Help with Zinstall WinWin

Hi MrMarmite,

Thanks for reviewing the Zinstall WinWin article, and sorry for writing it poorly enough for it to be treated as advertising... I was going through a bunch of software article updates, noticed this one was missing altogether and decided to create it. I tried to keep it "dry" and only included facts that I could verify (fighting the urge to add stuff I know from using the software every other week in the office...)

What can I do better in order to improve the page? Really appreciate any help and advice you can share!

Thank you, Samfranker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samfranker (talk • contribs) 15:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Answer is on your page. Cheers. MrMarmite (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Pinball in Category:Gambling games

The article Pinball says "Pinball machines, like many other mechanical games, were sometimes used as gambling devices." That's why I put it in Category:Gambling games. Not sure if you hadn't noticed that section, or if you disagree that it warrants inclusion. -- Beland (talk) 17:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Whilst people may have bet on the outcome of pinball, the game isn't really s gambling device. In fact, Roger Sharpe stood in a court room and proved just that. There are no regulations classifying a pinball game as a gambling device. Hope that makes sense. Thanks MrMarmite (talk) 21:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Britney Spears primary profile photo

Hi. Hope you're doing well. I am sending a message to ask about my edit to the Britney Spears Wikipedia page. Last night I changed it to a photo from the award show and it was reverted back. Is it because that photo was an infringement of copyright? If so that is my mistake. Honestly tho, I'd like to change it to something else other than what it currently is because this photo that is currently used is highly unflattering and poorly edited. Her fans have also remarked that they do not like this picture and want a better representation of Britney on here. If I do what the creator of this picture did (edit a picture so that it IS in fact "my creation") is there a chance that it can stay? ---- —TyWy (talk • contribs) 14:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

• Modifying someone else's pictures does not make it yours. Wiki is very clear on ownership of rights. What fan's want is not a basis for copyright infringement. MrMarmite (talk) 21:37, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Snakes & Ladders possible synonym

Re your revert & editsum [5], I know/knew the name was already included in the article. An IP added the name to the end of the lede prior to my edit, I reverted them, but then re-thought, that the altname appearing in the lede, as a possible synonym, was a reasonable suggestion/preference, so I added it back (including copyedit). But I didn't feel it belonged in the lede sentence itself, since the name is a trademarked name and perhaps not a bona fide synonym today. Since altnames are supposed to be added to the lede, in bold type, I re-added it to the end of the lede. IHTS (talk) 20:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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I didn't knew "instalment" was exclusive to British English, my bad. Sorry for the mistake.--Dk1919 (talk) 16:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Names ending with 's' and possessive apostrophes

Hi there, I noticed that your edits to Genesis (band) on the subject of "Collins' departure" have been reverted. This is about the possessive form of a name ending with 's'. With no axe to grind here, I had a look for an authoritive text on the subject to get a definitive answer.

To start with, there's Apostrophe, section Singular_nouns_ending_with_an_"s"_or_"z"_sound, which both supports and disputes your point. It says:

Many respected authorities recommend that practically all singular nouns, including those ending with a sibilant sound, have possessive forms with an extra s after the apostrophe so that the spelling reflects the underlying pronunciation. Examples include Oxford University Press, the Modern Language Association, the BBC and The Economist.[23] Such authorities demand possessive singulars like these: Senator Jones’s umbrella; Tony Adams’s friend.

Then goes onto:

Rules that modify or extend the standard principle have included the following: If the singular possessive is difficult or awkward to pronounce with an added sibilant, do not add an extra s; these exceptions are supported by The Guardian,[24] Yahoo! Style Guide,[25] and The American Heritage Book of English Usage.[26] Such sources permit possessive singulars like these: Socrates’ later suggestion; or Achilles’ heel if that is how the pronunciation is intended.

My view on that text alone is that saying "Collins-is" is awkward and unusual. Therefore, I'd support the 's'-less apostrophe. Please do let me know what your take on all this is, look forward to your views :-) (By the way, McMarmite don't end with 's' like you reckon on your user page :-D ) ToaneeM (talk) 10:58, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Britney Spears's first cousin once removed

Hello,

I see that you reverted my edit on Britney Spears. Any reason other than "nope"? Packer1028 (talk) 22:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

• If Sims' great-aunt is married to Lynn Spear's father, their grandparents were siblings, that makes them second cousins.I think :) MrMarmite (talk) 09:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

• • You're right, my bad. I just assumed that, because it said she and Lynn were cousins, that would make her Britney's first cousin once removed. Sims is actually Lynn's first cousin once removed, but I'm not going to edit that. Packer1028 (talk) 04:15, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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Dear MrMarmite, I need to know what to do about "s's" when a surname ends in s and that s is not silent, but does not sound as s. For example, the surname of Imre Lakatos sounds like "Lakatosh". Any sources or references? Thanks a lot!! --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Although there is no reason to think I am the arbitrator in such things, I have always used the simple rule, write is as your pronounce it. MrMarmite (talk) 01:59, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. So you would put it. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 08:46, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

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They won't let me in the big people library.

I did discuss, but on the reverting editor's talk page. Sorry if it would have been better on the article talk. Anyway, like I said there and in the edit summary, a man who manages to be barred for life from a library not only illustrates an angry, impulsive man, but one who is deprived of education. Seems very relevant to the rest of the paragraph. Homer's done a lot of dumb things, but none quite tie all three aspects of him together like this (I could be overlooking something, I suppose).

It isn't at all about pointing to a website. I intentionally linked directly to the MP3 to avoid the website. The important thing is it's audio from the primary source. I could care less who hosts the copy (though it is a cool site).

Anyway, if you still disagree, I won't edit war. But if you see my point, revert yourself.

By the way, thanks for making me Google "marmite". Intriguing stuff. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

MHS

Read the first line of the second paragraph on the Moscow High School page and you will see that this school is referred to as MHSHydra24538 (talk) 00:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

• Wiki cannot use another Wiki page as a reference. There needs to be a reputable external site to confirm this. MrMarmite (talk)

Here is the school districts website: https://mhs.msd281.org/. In the events section you will notice the school being referred to as MHS Also if you go to the Administrative staff page you will find the school being referred to as MHS multiple times. This page is under the facts and information section