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Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Hi there. I've looked at the talk page for this article and also the latest talk archive page and found, unsurprisingly, that most editors would prefer this article includes an infobox. I came across this as I was looking for basic biographical information about the article subject, and was very surprised to see that this article did not have an infobox, despite the majority of articles including one, and an even larger majority of biographical articles including an infobox. Could you please self revert to ensure that this article has an infobox? Thanks. Onetwothreeip (talk) 22:53, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

I've looked through Talk:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and its archives #14 & #15, and I can't find consensus in favour of an infobox. Two RfCs in those archives closed against an infobox. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

The current talk page shows that CactiStaccingCrane and Mottengott support including an infobox, with no expressed opposition. In the Archive 15, it is clear that Cj7557, KyuuA4, Here2rewrite, Politicsfan4, BigRed606, Rauisuchian, AvRand, Jojhutton, Sahaib3005, Furius, Morvahna, AHI-3000, DividedFrame, Antiok 1pie support an infobox being included as well. There is no explicit opposition there, though some editors saying that the issue was already settled, such as yourself.

I assume that you oppose including an infobox, completely separate from your assessment of talk page consensus, for what could certainly be supportable reasons that you may have held for years. However, you surely must agree that in 2023, Wikipedia editors today very broadly support including an infobox, and that this would also be the case for a biography article such as this one. In the spirit of wasting as little time as possible, can we set this dispute from the past aside and let the inevitable happen? You have the right not to let it go, but we would then be engaging in a process, such as a Request For Comment, which would end how we both know how it would. Thank you. Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

If you think now is the time for the inevitable to happen, I suggest you make that argument at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes to get the wording of MOS:INFOBOXUSE changed. And no, I don't have any idea about the result of a future RfC at WAM. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:12, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

This is not about Wikipedia policy on infoboxes broadly applying to articles. This is about editors supporting an infobox on the Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart article in particular. Are you at least willing to not revert an infobox and seeing what happens? Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:25, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Not until a RfC recommends it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

David Lloyd George

Please don't change to sfn or harvnb. If you want to change referencing style you must get consensus first, on the article talk page. DuncanHill (talk) 10:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The article on David Lloyd George was inconsistent in its citation style before my edit; it had 3 {{sfn}} and 82 {{harvnb}} citations, so that ship seems to have sailed a while ago. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Out of over 200. DuncanHill (talk) 22:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

IOW, inconsistent. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Isle of Wight? Anyway, whatever you might mean by IOW, there isn't a consensus to switch to a single style. So I'll be changing them back - you did make some helpful changes, so I won't be doing a blanket reversion. DuncanHill (talk) 23:21, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

(IOW, def #2) WP:CITEVAR deals with "an article's established citation style"; Lloyd George's article doesn't have that. Reverting e.g. the Crosby and Gilbert citations (unnecessarily repeated publication data) would not improve the article. In fact, a rigorous examination of the article's citations would discover works not cited in the article but listed under "Biography", like Bennett (1999), which should be under "Further reading". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:57, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Romani ite domum

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I made no such request and reverted your PROD. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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grafton high school BT edit

why did u revert the notable alumni in grafton high school Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 12:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

He's not notable. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

MSO and Imelda Clancy.

Dear Michael,

The issue of Imelda Clancy as leader of the MSO is quite confusing! Bertha Jorgensen was certainly the first female leader of the Orchestra, and you will note that I have added ABC publicity as a source for this. The ABC is certainly a more reliable source than Punch magazine. Nevertheless, I looked at the article in Punch, and it does state that Imelda Clancy led the MSO in a version of Le Marsiellese. I suspect that she may have been an acting leader. However, as I said, the ABC is most certainly a better source for information than the little Punch magazine. Further, there are other sources than the ABC that show that Jorgensen was the first female leader (https://www.google.com/search?q=bertha+jorgensen&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU883AU883&oq=Be&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j69i60l3.8622j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) Albert Isaacs (talk) 23:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

You misread the article after my edit. It did not name Clancy as the leader of the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra but as the 1st violin. Imelda Clancy is mentioned in several concert reviews of the time and here; she deserves some mention in this article. Your removal of the Punch citation additionally dropped an interesting light on the history of the orchestra's name, at least as reported in the press. I suggest you restore the fundamentals of the previous version. I also encourage you to dig up an online source for the Wireless Weekly article from 29 July 1927. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Noel Coward template

Thanks for your support [at Template talk:Noël Coward musicals] on the template issue Britfilm (talk) 04:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate the photos you sent me. They are quite literally perfect, in terms of framing and composition. However, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ57 seems to have a known issue with autofocus that I've seen with other cameras from that era (Venus IX 2014) that leads to blurry images if you aren't aware of it, hence your problem. I will try to clean them up in post and see if I can salvage them, but please be assured, the problem isn't with your photography skills, the images themselves are perfectly composed. If you plan on continuing to use the camera, read up on how to use the autofocus feature as it will save you some trouble in the future. This article explains the known problem. Thanks again. Viriditas (talk) 11:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, you asked me to notify you when I uploaded the photo. I have chosen to upload P1030769.jpg. It is the only photo of the painting that is in focus, more or less. And it perfectly demonstrates the large size at an angle, just as I requested, so I must thank you yet again. I will reply with the new file name in just a moment. Viriditas (talk) 10:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Image located here. Added to the article here. If you can think of a better caption, please modify it. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 11:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Italics in art song titles

Hi Michael. Re this revert: the MoS (which is often wrong anyway for my money) does not give any foreign-language examples of minor works. But surely Lieder with German titles are to be italicised for the same reason that it's right to italicise "Lieder". Is there guidance on this? What is your opinion? SaryaniPaschtorr (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia's MoS is a product of consensus and carries some weight. Deviations from it are likely to be corrected. The place to raise concerns about it are the relevant talk pages.

MOS:NAMESANDTITLES and MOS:NOITALIC cover the case of foreign language minor works and recommend quotation marks only, no italics. The words 'lied' and 'lieder' in lower case are loanwords, and are not italicised; see MOS:FOREIGNITALIC and MOS:FOREIGN. Whether it's a genuine foreign term when spelled in upper case, 'Lied', 'Lieder', seems debatable; generally, I wouldn't italicise them. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi there

How does the accepted key of an anthem was dubious. It has been establish in government sources. I tried to add them based on key signatures. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 00:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Reversing order of tables

If the list is just bullets I have a small program that reverse the order of each line.

For tables I use a text editor (one designed for programmers) that has a 'macro' function that I can use to reverse blocks; but then I need to manually take care of rowspans. Unfortunately I don't have an easier method right now. RJFJR (talk) 03:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Comments by Austria10

STOP IT STOP EDITING MY STUFF AND STOP DESTROING MY WORK ON ARTICLES Austria10 (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

AND GET YOUR REVERSING ORDER OF TABLES THING OUT OF HERE Austria10 (talk) 16:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I recommend you read Help:Talk pages and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, especially WP:SHOUT. If you have concerns about my edits to specific articles, I suggest you raise those on the talk pages of those articles so other interested readers can participate. General displeasure uttered on my talk page cannot start a meaningful discussion. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

just stop it stop it right NOW AND LEAVE ME ALONE Austria10 (talk) 16:09, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

o by the way the YouTube video I noticed near the end of the 2nd movement I heard the main theme of the 3rd movement that's why I linked it Austria10 (talk) 14:52, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

and sorry for the fight Austria10 (talk) 14:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Mon cœur s'ouvre à ta voix

Thank you for fixing Mon cœur s'ouvre à ta voix the right way after my halfway measure. I'll keep {{Music repeat}} and <poem lang=...> in mind for future use. —Anomalocaris (talk) 03:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		Your answer to my Petscan question was great! Thanks for the app! Thinker78 (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: Lise with a Parasol

The honest truth is I want what is best for Wikipedia, and at the end of the day, that means sublimating my own self-interested, long-term grudge matches, ego, and all the rest of my foibles in pursuit of that goal. If you truly think converting the citations to templates as your preferred style is an overall improvement (Ordnung muss sein?), then I would encourage you to do it, and I won't stop you. Viriditas (talk) 21:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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I have requested dispute resolution relating to the Cooman page.

There's no need to participate if you don't want to, as the main dispute is between me and Poketama. I only added you because you seem to agree that the article isn't written from a neutral POV.

Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I dip my lid

Hi @Michael Bednarek - grateful for the tidy up you did for Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. In much better shape now. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 03:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hello Michael

It looks like no one on the dispute resolution board wanted to get involved, so I listed it with the neutral point of view forum. Once again, there's no need for you to get involved if you don't wish to.

Thanks Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 00:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Threading issue at Template talk:Sfn

Hi, Michael. I was confused by the indentation level of your latest comment at Template talk:Sfn (diff). You appear to be replying to me and taking me to task, but I doubt that was your intent, as my comment was in pretty complete agreement with you. The "mind-numbing and discouraging" comment you quoted was by the OP, and if you meant to reply to them, as I'm almost certain you did, then you want only one colon before your message. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Or actually, since there's a section break between OP and your comment, maybe not. I think in that case it has to go flush left, but WP:THREAD doesn't address that issue I don't think. Mathglot (talk) 02:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I see you just adjusted it; thats probably fine, as the same OP started the subsection as the section it's embedded in. Thanks for the quick action. Mathglot (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

"Notte e giorno faticar"

Dear Michael, thank you for checking both of my two last editions of Don Giovanni. It seems that we share quite a lot of common interest. However I would like to point out that the first number of the opera cannot be described as an "aria", but as an introduction, through which not only this opera begins, but also The Magic Flute, Una cosa rara and Il matrimonio segreto. You are welcome to check Mozart's own autograph manuscript if you want, and see for yourself the word "Introduzione". https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/e/ef/IMSLP293279-PMLP36804-Mozart_-_Don_Giovanni,_Act_I.pdf Barr Epstein (talk) 10:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, "Notte e giorno faticar" is marked as Introduzione in the score, but IMO the phrase «cites the introduction "Notte …'» is a bit ambiguous – does Beethoven cite the introduction to this number? – so I reworded it to make it clearer. After all, it is practically an aria – an orchestral prelude, two verses of rhyming text, using several melodic phrases, almost 2 minutes long. Readers will be familiar with recitative, aria, duet, etc, but Introduzione will baffle those who have not read the score. But if you want to restore your wording, go ahead – I (almost) never revert twice; but it might be helpful for readers to use Introduzione in Italian. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:18, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Israeli peace song

Thank you for the lilypond for Hevenu shalom aleichem. I commented out "D minor" because your sample is "E minor". Modern German hymnals assume that D is the highest note a congregation can manage ;) - Where does E minor come from? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I found many score sheets of this song in E minor, which I preferred over D minor because it doesn't start on the A below the system. Let me know if you want it to be changed – it only takes \transpose e d { … } to do that. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I like E minor, and just wondered, thank you for explaining ;) - I saw the EG version reproduced in the booklet for a wedding, and was one of the few actually singing. For Gotteslob, I noticed transpositions downward when going from the 1975 version to 2013, but this song is not in it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

November songs

my story today

Thank you for what you put into the peace song, making it survive, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

... and for your constant fight against ref template errors, and missing links! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Shalom chaverim

Today: in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together". Can you perhaps help to music for Draft:Shalom chaverim? I struggle with the Auftakt, and didn't even try a round yet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I, too, miss Jerome often. // I made some changes to "Shalom chaverim" a few days ago, fixing the anacrusis (Auftakt) and adding lyrics. I'm not sure what else I can do. To have a round/canon played is very cumbersome using LilyPond, or any other notation program. All the parts need to be written out, and that score would overwhelm the Wikipedia article. As a first step, I can add numbers for the four cues (Einsätze). As a second step, I could notate the four parts and upload the resulting MIDI file to Commons and attach that to the score in the article. The question with that approach is: how many rounds does one use? Until the fourth voice has completed? Anyway, that's a lot of work, and the article is still a draft, and so many Kutsch/Riemens citations need fixing. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael, and sorry that I didn't see your changes, - perhaps I failed to take the draft (not by me) on my watchlist, or I overlooked it on my watchlist (that I try to shorten ...). Anyway, it's great as it is, thank you! - I began Langsamer Satz today, being the one on my to-do-list connecting to Jerome a bit. Too tired for more now, though. I heard it at the Casals Forum that I recommend highly in case you happen to come to the area. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Ernani is linked from the Main page, lovely work by Viva-Verdi, - now marked as needing more (inline) citations. Do you happen to know which refs support the uncited paragraphs? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Gerda! I couldn't let the challenge of a round remain unanswered, so I put a simple version in Draft:Shalom chaverim. Just remove the version you don't like. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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FYI

About a classical music spammer you've been reverting, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hydrocolloid. Thanks for keeping an eye on that and setting me straight ... I didn't check the relevant diffs properly (checking diffs can be weird with screen readers). The one time I *don't* check a user's contributions ... and this happens! Graham87 (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

It's a confirmed version of the voice

Hello, dear Michael Bednarek, if you see my edits are confirmed in relative's Italian version of the same voice, due the fact I'm a relative of the person's voice. Pls go to see, thanks buddy ;) Nick31629 (talk) 08:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Your edit at the Italian version of Elena Mauti Nunziata is irrelevant. Wikipedia relies on reliable published sources, and they all give 1946 as her year of birth. Please restore the previous version of that article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Please then, if you know better than me (my mother's great aunt) how is that the year is 1946 instead 1944 how herself told me, some days ago? If you can give me a solution, then I'll change, else I'll do nothing. If you can't give me a peaceful solution, and you want change, we can talk with an administrator, instead of doing edit war. I'm coming in peace, anyway--Nick31629 (talk) 11:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't know any better; I just look at published reliable sources. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability. I have now restored the previous version. Please don't change it again without citing sources. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

Thank you for thanking me! (this is my first time being thanked!)

Hym3242 (talk) 13:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. I don't quite remember for which of your edits I thanked you, but I assume it was for some disimprovements by an anonymous editor at Candide and Leonard Bernstein. I don't "thank" often, but I was on the verge of reverting those edits myself, and I was glad you did. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Indeed they were! In addition to reverting them (politely), we should also help them know the rules and conventions, since most non-vandalizing anonymous editors do seem to want to do something useful but failed to do so. What message do you think should I leave on their talk page? Hym3242 (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

When I was sufficiently upset by edits, I picked templates from Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace, but I mellowed (or tired) enough, not to that often anymore. But if I read your intentions correctly, you probably have to hand-craft what is appropriate in the circumstances. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Hym3242 (talk) 14:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you ...

story · music · places

... for a constructive comment about the value of a list of compositions! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I uploaded vacation pics (from back home), at least the first day, - and remember Aribert Reimann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Magic Flute ogg files

I borrowed your Template:Listen, but put it in three columns. The title is on top of the listen bar, which links to the file's location on commons. The text of the title reveals who is singing (Tamino, ect.) Underneath the listen bar, I added a one line translation of the first words of the song. I now understand that the German text is a far more important label, but by clicking the top link gets to the Commons file where enough of the German is given in the filename for a Google search. See User:Guy vandegrift/sandbox/sandbox. As of this writing, I have not converted all songs to this format. ... Also, if you don't want to place this on The Magic Flute, I suggest the much smaller page at Ferenc Fricsay (then link out to that location.) ... One more thing: The translation under the bar can be a link out to more info about the song.--Guy vandegrift (talk) 04:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not my template. Interesting presentation in your sandbox, but I don't think it's suitable for The Magic Flute. I never edited Fricsay's article, so I have no opinion there. However, those Magic Flute recordings on Commons ought to be placed in his category. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I thought of you when I was trying to crop an image and saw this Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax#Sound_files--Guy vandegrift (talk) 02:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

apologies regarding {{ill}} discussion

The response to your input at Template talk:Interlanguage link struck me as unduly harsh. I'm of course not responsible for that, aside from the fact that the explanation I had provided was not as clear as it might have been, other than in the sense that I applied what I had determined to be a "best practice" ... or at least a better practice (regardless of whether there's a reasonable basis for such a claim), plus I'm sure my description of the situation left something to be desired. Sigh. Fabrickator (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

76.91.229.226

Hi, can you permanently ban 76.91.229.226 from Wikipedia. It changed Mary Costa’s ancestry from Italian to Portuguese. 76.91.229.226 is violating Wikipedia’s guidelines. 2600:1001:B023:16E5:3CAB:92ED:A96B:BC5D (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, so I can't ban (or block) anyone. The disruption you noticed at Mary Costa is usually dealt with by watchers of that page, and that seems to be the case here. Persistently disruptive editing is often detected by an administrator who will then take appropriate action, most likely a protection of some sort. The proper venue to raise your concerns is either WP:ANI or Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. You can help, too, by registering a username which will allow you to monitor changes on your watchlist. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). - Enjoy being away from a place where your simple reasoning for an opera singer's notability is not heard ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

What about of George Alexander Macfarren's Helvellyn (1864)

I am sure that Macfarren's Helvellyn is one of the most famous English operas of the 19th century. 176.32.19.44 (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

What about it? Do you have a question or proposal? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes! Look at https://operastory.co.uk/helvellyn-by-george-alexander-macfarren/ 176.32.19.44 (talk) 12:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

So, we can add Macfarren's Helvellyn at the List of prominent operas? 176.32.19.44 (talk) 12:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

The article you linked clearly points out that it's not a prominent opera. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

So, is it a forgotten opera? 176.32.19.44 (talk) 13:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

And anyway, I wish it were a more famous British opera 176.32.19.44 (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

"better source needed" tag on Richard Strauss

Hi Michael, I have requested the removal of a "better source needed" tag you added to a quotation on Richard Strauss back in 2020 [1] (quotation from his journals about being appointed to the Reichsmusikkammer), since the broadcast it is cited to is currently listenable for free online (labeled Friday, June 14, 2024) for the next 13 days at https://www.wfmt.com/programs/exploring-music/. The quote is at about one-and-a-half minutes in.

The talkpage thread is Talk:Richard Strauss#"better source needed" tag on Strauss quote. Thanks! Softlavender (talk) 22:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Responded there. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

For your amusement

If you haven't already seen it, this might amuse you. Years ago, you undid[2][3][4] some removals[5][6][7] of a sourced DOB from a BLP - but it all turned out well. NebY (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

No, I hadn't seen that; thank you. I like Simon Tedeschi a lot, and most recently saw him with John Bell, whom I also like a lot, in a stage reading of some Mozart letters. They both are magnificent in their field, and wonderful people. As for his Guardian column: I hope I haven't upset him too much, but Wikipedia has some rules, no?😀 Another thing that turned out well was that he replaced my horrible mugshots of him, since deleted, with a better picture. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Really confused by reversion

Apologies- " restore link to nl:Symfonie nr. 4 (Rangström); fix CS1 errors; MOS:DASH; German WP is not a valid source; use {{IMSLP}} for IMSLP" - what? :) ELSchissel (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

It would help if you included a link to the article concerned. I suspect you mean this edit at List of symphonies in D minor. I don't understand your confusion. You removed an interlanguage link, and I didn't see why, so I restored it. I then made some further changes that I documented in the edit summary. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Your reversion removed the nl Wikipedia link I added to Symphony 4 (Rangström). I don't recall removing anything. But maybe I'm wrong, I'll check... ELSchissel (talk) 15:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Near as I can tell, looking at the edit, you or someone also replaced a number of n-dashes with m-dashes for ranges, which I think is quite the stylistic solecism, but that's another matter... though it is weird that a reversion of a small edit (in which I added one wikilink) had a rather large consequence like that. ELSchissel (talk) 15:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC) (edit: ah, I see- it says revert, then fix cs1 errors, then, etc.)

(ec x2) Now it's my turn to apologise: Your're right. I misread the diff and will restore your edit in a minute. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

no worries. Thanks. ELSchissel (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

August music

Thank you for your steady improvements popping up on my watchlist! - On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Sunday story about another of Bach's chorale cantatas, listen, as I listened to two impressive very different choral concerts, - music by 16 composers. In the latest cloudy pictures: a hidden deer, a cat and a blaze of a sunset. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The Australian newspaper reach

I got my numbers from there official website

Here is the link you can checkout yourself

https://www.newscorpaustralia.com/brands/the-australian/ Utka 225 (talk) 20:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Utka 225. a) You did not cite that source in the article for The Australian when you changed the numbers, and you misquoted the relevant period (you wrote "Sep 2024" but the source gives June 2024. Worse, you kept the old citations which had very different numbers. If you change facts in an article, you must provide citations that support those facts. b) Newscorp is not an independent source in this matter, so the the citation you give fails the requirements of our guideline WP:RS, specifically WP:INDEPENDENT. c) When I reverted your edit, I also inspected the existing sources for the previously quoted figures and found them to be wrong, so I corrected them. Your reversals of my edit re-instated those wrong figures.

I agree that the circulation of The Australian should be updated to current figures, but per WP:ONUS, the editor making such updates must provide the necessary citations. For reasons a) to c), I will revert your edit again. Any further reversals by you without providing adequate citations will be treated as WP:DISRUPTIVE and WP:EDITWAR and may result in you being blocked. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

September music

story · music · places

Thank you for refreshing <sarcasm>! - Recommended reading today: Frye Fire, by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. - See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

My story today features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful music, some from Venice, also with pics I took, - note the rose in the clarinet ;) - Can't believe the Hartmann piece has no article, not even in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with score and LilyPond

Thank you for your help with the score template and with LilyPond. I'm still trying to wrap my head around them, and I appreciate your pointers. They help. Trackerwannabe (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Osborne page

Hello Michael,

Thanks for fixing my formatting; I need to stop being a Luddite and do this stuff myself.

With regard to Osborne page, I suspect we are seeing different versions on line. Here is the page I was looking at:

https://books.google.com/books?id=QpUoBgAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&dq=osborne+concert+song+companion&hl=en#v=onepage&q=adelaide&f=false

With thanks, Opus33 (talk) 17:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Opus33, you're correct. I'm very sorry and embarrassed. The preview I get from https://books.google.com/books?id=QpUoBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA22 shows the whole page 22, and the paragraph at the bottom ends indeed with [Adelaide is] "a bel canto aria in disguise, with its gentle opening theme and ecstatic cabaletta-like conclusion." Thanks for querying my edit, and more apologies. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries! It didn't even occur to me to be offended. Please note: I really appreciate everything you do to monitor and upgrade article quality. The errors you fix must hugely outnumber the errors you commit, so we're way ahead in the long run. :=) Opus33 (talk) 05:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Franz Rausch

The link is to a disambiguation page for the name "Rausch". Doesn't that qualify? WQUlrich (talk) 03:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: Franz Rausch: WP:ORPH#Criteria explicitly excludes disambiguation pages. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Too bad. I don't think there are going to be any other options. Unless I can work him into the article about Carl Haunold, who painted his portrait. That's what brought me to his article, WQUlrich (talk) 04:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The article on Carl Haunold itself is almost an orphan, as is the de:Franz Rausch. Mentioning Rausch in the Haunold article would be rather arbitrary and forced, but that's up to you. Franz Rausch is mentioned as a piano maker (of an unremarkable recording) in the article on Schumann's Kinderszenen, but nowhere else in Wikipedia's 6.9 million articles. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:VAND

Stop your vandalism in the articles created by me. That looks like Wikipedia:Harassment. We already discussed that stuff: I've got months ago the permission for stihi.ru (for my own translations) in Wikidata and have no wish to explain such things to any passerby in poetry. Don't remove my original translations from the pages created by myself until you may remove this collection. --~~ Tamtam90 (talk) 07:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I removed material from a) "Es kam ein Herr zum Schlößli" and b) "Wenn ich ein Vöglein wär" that was not attributed to a source but copied from a website where it is marked with "© Copyright:: Сергей Павлов Стихи [Sergey Pavlov Potikhi], 2018 at https://stihi.ru/2018/08/15/9373" for a); and "© Copyright:: Сергей Павлов Стихи [Sergey Pavlov Potikhi], 2024 at https://stihi.ru/2024/08/29/5879" for b). If you have permission to use that material, you have follow the procedure at WP:PERMISSION or WP:DCP to allow the material being used on Wikipedia. At the conclusion of that process, the articles' talk pages will be tagged with Template:Permission ticket. For material from web pages that is marked with CC BY-SA 4.0., an attribution to the source must be provided in the Wikipedia articles where that material is used.

While rightly correcting a text error in the lyrics of "Es kam ein Herr zum Schlößli", you introduced a grammatical error. Further, I don't think the poorly cropped page from the Almanach you restored into the infobox improves the article; it misses the lower part and is written in an obscure clef. The source shown in the Swiss (Greyerz) collection is better suited.

Lastly, I recommend you read WP:VAND, especially WP:NORESVAND, bullet #3. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Look here: https://o.stihi.ru/ and read: " Все авторские права на произведения принадлежат авторам и охраняются законом" — "All copyright rights are granted to/ recognised for the authors." I'm the only author of those transactions, we agreed in Wikidata to publish them without additional tickets, merely pointing at CC 4.0. That's quite easy to show that license in Wikidata template.--Tamtam90 (talk) 16:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Those 2 translations I mentioned above as a) and b) are not marked as CC BY-SA 4.0 and thus fail Wikipedia requirements for re-using material. I will mark those translations with {{Copyright violation}}. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)