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Thank you for correcting my mistake and advising me of the correct forum; this was my first nomination for deletion and I found many aspects confusing -- so your help was all the more appreciated. My sincere apologies for the inconvenience.
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12 More Rules For Life
I have now added the ref back. There will be many more refs within 24 hours. Barrck Obama's New Book had a wiki article about it months before it was realesed. I feel there is enough to say, given this is a sequal to a book that was so popular. Also Peterson has made a video talking about the contents of the book and the new rules in it. This video (at the time of writing) has ove 250,000 views. He also read part of the introduction in this video. I think there is plenty to write about. He also talked about how the previous book infuenced this one. We already know some of the contents of the book.. As for the book not meeting WP:NBOOK, it does. It meets criteria 3 and I would also argue 5. J.Turner99 (talk) 19:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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Wrong Page Move
I think per WP:COMMONNAME you got this wrong. Reliable sources use Evans as his common name, I honestly think you should move it back to the original name. Celestina007 (talk) 08:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). I haven't edited Chukwudi Onuamadike for over 3 years. The original article title was Evans (The kidnapper), which didn't work per WP:NCPDAB. First, at the time, he had not yet been convicted of kidnapping as far as I can tell (in fact, the same prosecution may still be going on? -- I'm not sure about that). Second, the parenthetical description should not have been capitalized nor contained the word "the". I believed the best decision was to use his first and last name as the article title because that would not require disambiguation. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 09:07, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- That’s a fair point, but now that he has plead guilty to kidnaping, isn’t it the right thing to move it to his COMMONNAME now? Something like Evans (Nigerian kidnapper) what are you thoughts about this? Celestina007 (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm certainly not trying to defend Evans, but it looks like he withdrew his plea after he originally pled guilty and is now on trial. See [1]. As of August 21, 2020, he was still being referred to as the "alleged" kidnap kingpin; see [2]. Please update the article about him to bring it up to date. If it is verifiable that he has been convicted, I would support a move of the article to Evans (kidnapper). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- I’m glad you could shed some Iight here, well I guess you are correct & the title is best suited as it is now. Stay safe MP9. Celestina007 (talk) 23:52, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm certainly not trying to defend Evans, but it looks like he withdrew his plea after he originally pled guilty and is now on trial. See [1]. As of August 21, 2020, he was still being referred to as the "alleged" kidnap kingpin; see [2]. Please update the article about him to bring it up to date. If it is verifiable that he has been convicted, I would support a move of the article to Evans (kidnapper). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- That’s a fair point, but now that he has plead guilty to kidnaping, isn’t it the right thing to move it to his COMMONNAME now? Something like Evans (Nigerian kidnapper) what are you thoughts about this? Celestina007 (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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Concerning my edit on the 2021 New York City Mayoral Race page, I felt it was necessary to move Andrew Yang’s profile to the top of the candidate list because of numerous polls from various sources stating that he is polling in first place. I felt it was important to stress to viewers the tiers of candidates. Since his name was last on the list I felt it could misguide viewers into thinking he was not in serious contention of winning. I think it is important to put those consistently polling highest at the top of the list. Since multiple polls are placing him in first place for the nomination, I felt it was necessary to put him at the top of the list. The rest of the list is fairly accurate in the rest of the list of candidates according to poll numbers. I did this in no way to promote Andrew Yang’s candidacy. I am in no way employed for the campaign nor am I a volunteer for the campaign. My opinions are neutral concerning this race and I do not prefer a certain candidate over the other. I made this editing decision only to benefit Wikipedia readers every single day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JD Roy62 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think we can rely on our readers to be able to read an alphabetical list and not assume that it is in order of the candidates' potential of winning. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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Lothlorien Hall
re your edit, I think the title of the student housing template we're using should be different from the title of the page. As it covers a particular section of information about the co-op. Maybe "residents"? Also, the title of the article is wrong and I will be changing it soon, the co-op house is not a hall - its two buildings with a single courtyard. And hall is not part of the official name so I'll change your edit to just Lothlorien. In a perfect world that subsection would not have a title. Suggestion re alternate title? Thank you Rybkovich (talk) 01:23, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- You'd probably have to call it something like Lothlorien (house) since Lothlorien is a redirect to Lothlórien, the location in the Tolkien books. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
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Wrong page move
We discussed this before, but I’m raising this point again because tbh, this move of yours is contradictory to MOS:AT which clearly states that an article's title be recognizable & the current title you moved it to is in violation of that. Their common name is Evans and the reliable sources used in the article all reference him with that name. The move does a disservice to the readers & I think it’s about time you come to the realize that their WP:COMMONNAME is Evans & I think the onus lies on you to correct your mistakes. Chukwudi Onuamadike is not their common name, but Evans is, the page ought to be moved to Evans (Nigerian kidnapper). They aren’t no longer an alleged Kidnapper but a self confessed kidnapper please ensure to do the needful as soon as can be. Celestina007 (talk) 00:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, we discussed this three months ago on this page, but my view hasn't changed. I agree that "Evans" is a common name for Chukwudi Onuamadike, and from my perspective as an American who is not very familiar with Nigerian names, it's much easier to remember. But since the title of the Wikipedia page about him can't be identified only as Evans (because Evans is a disambiguation page), we would need a qualifier after his name. And, no, I don't think we can use Evans (kidnapper) or something similar yet. If Evans confessed to kidnapping three years ago, then why are Nigerian media still referring to him as "alleged kidnap kingpin" (The Guardian) and "alleged billionaire kidnapper" (Premium Times) in articles published this month? I don't think I made a mistake, and even if it was a mistake, other Wikipedians can correct it, not just me -- the fact that I moved the article nearly four years ago does not obligate me to move it to a different title. I recommend that if you want to change the article title, you should use the requested move process discussed at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I’m quite familiar with the venue and also know you aren’t mandated to the make the move, I’m merely pointing out a mistake you made and imo you should be responsible for its correction, but apparently our perspective doesn’t seem to be in sync. I should also state that my initial tone was off tbh & I apologize for that. Celestina007 (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's all right, I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree about this issue. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I’m quite familiar with the venue and also know you aren’t mandated to the make the move, I’m merely pointing out a mistake you made and imo you should be responsible for its correction, but apparently our perspective doesn’t seem to be in sync. I should also state that my initial tone was off tbh & I apologize for that. Celestina007 (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
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On 20 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Last Train to San Fernando, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Johnny Duncan performed "Last Train to San Fernando" in Liverpool, the audience included John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Last Train to San Fernando. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Last Train to San Fernando), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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ANI discussion to which you have have been mentioned
There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is AfD interference and allegations.. Thank you. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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