User talk:Megalibrarygirl/Archives/2017/November

You probably have better access....

...but this is what I found for Movie Entertainment Book Club: because some are questioning what it is, exactly. ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:32, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Atsme! I didn't source that sentence and must have skipped it. Not 100% sure what the EBC is, but I'll look into it. I did find a cite for the EBC award, but now I am more curious about the whole enterprise. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok, Atsme. The Movie Entertainment Book Club was one of those book clubs that used to be popular in the last century.The clubs used to "select [books]] which would be of interest to their members." The EBC was designed to appeal to entertainment and movie buffs. St. Louis Post-Dispatch 1985. I'm not sure that being selected is super-notable, but it would show that the book was more relevant than those not selected for the audience of book club members, I suspect. This is an interesting rabbit hole. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Pacific women

Can you or Ipigott use these to create more red links on the Oceania page? I may tackle a few myself, I've just done one.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld and Ipigott: I'll look at the names and add them if they're not already in Wiki and if they have sources. :) Thanks for the list. It's been hard finding people from Oceania. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Thankyou MLG, good going! Yeah, it gives it a much needed boost, and from what I've seen generally enough info to get 1kb.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:17, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

No problem, Dr. Blofeld. I have a few more names from the first women lawyers list I found to add. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Congratulations!! 🎉🍾🎊 I realize this barnstar is typically used for admins who made difficult decisions but I'm using it for an editor who made the difficult decision to become an admin. Thank you for all you do!! Atsme📞📧 15:18, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Atsme! I ended up learning that I had more allies out there than I ever imagined. I feel humbled by it and it blows my mind. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I’m still gobsmacked by the support. I guess word about your article rescuing has got around. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:29, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Maybe my RfA is a good lesson for women who are involved with women's issues/history/feminism, Ritchie333. We assume there will be a greater backlash against us (because of various experiences online), but that's not always the case. Maybe Wikipedia has become more inclusive and we need to recognize that. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Belated Congrats! ―Buster7 ☎ 16:03, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Annoyed rant

Just a head's up, I have mentioned you (and Rosie) at WP:ANI#Annoying Speedy Deletion (don't worry, you haven't done anything) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:43, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the head's up, Ritchie333. If Magicmondays would like some help sourcing articles (assuming sources are available), I'm happy to help out. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:47, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The ANI post reminded me of something Rhonda wrote many years ago. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:12, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Me, too. Happy to help out. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Help with an article

Hi, the editor above suggested maybe you can help me create an article. It would be my first but its hard finding enough content. Perhaps you could have a look at the draft which has 3 reliable sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Christine_Hogarth Other info is on social media but I do not know if I can use any of it...here are the links [1][2] [3]. thanks Magicmondays (talk) 02:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find, Magicmondays. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I found a couple of sources, but I think that she'll probably get more press over time and don't rush the article out to mainspace just yet. I added the sources I found to the article, Magicmondays. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:27, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Magicmondays (talk) 03:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Nancy

Do you think she passes notability criteria? If yes, then i can add more content, and sources. I think govt's hall of fame, and an agency's directorship should make her pass. —usernamekiran(talk) 01:11, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I think she needs some more sources, Usernamekiran, because she doesn't pass GNG yet. I'm still looking, but I'm also amazed at how many other women share her name. >.< Megalibrarygirl (talk) 01:33, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Yup, surprisingly it is very common name. I think she passes #1, and #2 of WP:ANYBIO. And as she was part of the intelligence community, the information about her would be obviously difficult to get. —usernamekiran(talk) 01:44, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I added one more source, but it is from nga.mil website again. I also found a google book hat mentions her. But as I am on an old mobile now, I cant look into it much. id=QlhaDQAAQBAJ
Its 7:30am and I am still trying to sleep lol.—usernamekiran(talk) 01:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I always worry about using ANYBIO since wikilawyers can argue whether or not they think the person's award or contribution is "significant enough." I really wish I could find more sources, but I'm coming up dry in the databases. Usernamekiran, you know more about intelligence communities than I do, so if you're sure the award is significant, then I trust that judgement. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I believe she is notable enough for an encyclopaedia, and for enwiki. But thats my opinion. I would love to get opinion of my British friend. Usually, the AfD I have seen for borderline notable subjects, the discussions tend to be territory of herds rather than thoughtful editors. :-/
—usernamekiran(talk) 18:48, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I've had a look for sources, and it seems to be a marginal case. Being inducted to the Geospatial Intelligence Hall of Fame is a possible WP:ANYBIO depending on how many other people are inducted into it, but what counts as "significant" is completely subjective. Sources that specifically talk about her seem to be quite thin on the ground, and you've got the main ones I found already. I think a better exercise is to turn the redirect National Photographic Interpretation Center into a full article, and put her in that as a redirect. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Thanks for your work on improving Helen Preece! The Bushranger One ping only 04:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Bushranger! I suspect there's even more to Preece's story and I'm glad I had a chance to work on it. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Ooops! The Bushranger! Reping! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages

Hello, Megalibrarygirl. When you moved Sarah Douglas to a new title and then changed the old title into a disambiguation page, you may not have been aware of WP:FIXDABLINKS, which says:

When creating disambiguation pages, fix all resulting mis-directed links.

Before moving an article to a qualified name (in order to create a disambiguation page at the base name, to move an existing disambiguation page to that name, or to redirect that name to a disambiguation page), click on What links here to find all of the incoming links. Repair all of those incoming links to use the new article name.

It would be a great help if you would check the other Wikipedia articles that contain links to "Sarah Douglas" and fix them to take readers to the correct article. Thanks. R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

R'n'B, it's on my to-do list. I got interrupted yesterday. Thanks for the friendly reminder though. I'm on it. There's quite a few. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:29, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Aşıq Pəri

I am totally bamfoozled and have no idea if you know how to do this or not, but I figured its a learning experience. Maybe @Ritchie333, Rosiestep, and Victuallers: can help? I created an article on Aşıq Pəri for Asia month and the World Contest. BUT, it will not allow me to move it to mainspace. I get this message, which I have never seen before: You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: "User:SusunW/Aşıq Pəri" cannot be moved to "Aşıq Pəri", because the title "Aşıq Pəri" is on the title blacklist. If you feel that this move is valid, please consider requesting the move first.

Problem 1. If I don't create it, I don't get credit for it in the contest. Problem 2. What the heck? As this is her name, why would it be banned? Yes, I get that it is a nom de plume except that it is the name she is known by. Her actual name is not known. Problem 3. While I could invent some other name, i.e. Ashiq Peri or Ashig Pari, it does not follow the rule to name her as sources typically call her. Even the English sources typically call her Aşıq Pəri. Problem 4. The instructions for requesting a move are completely incomprehensible and irrelevant to this move. It says "Do not attempt to edit this list manually; a bot will automatically update the page soon after the template is added to the discussion on the relevant talk page." There is no talk page, it is a draft, when it says put the add {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page does it mean my article page or is it still referring to the non-existent talk page? There isn't a need to discuss it since the naming convention requires that we use her name. (Not to mention the fact that the page is experiencing a backlog which could hamper creation of the page within the bounds of the contest). So...what do I do to get the page created by myself and in main space? SusunW (talk) 20:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Researching this a bit further, I searched the blacklist archives and find no entries for this title. At the bottom of the Requested Moves page it says "Moves from draft namespace or user space – (new/unconfirmed users only) add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article." So that answers the question of article or talk page but still doesn't solve the problem that it won't be created by me and is still incomprehensible because I am neither a new or unconfirmed user. SusunW (talk) 20:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I moved it, SusunW. It shows you as the creator. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have no earthly idea how you did that, but am totally stoked! SusunW (talk) 22:22, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

SusunW, I have no idea how I did it, either! I'm just glad it worked. ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

APMW? (All powerful magic wand) The whole situation makes no sense. I have sources in 4 languages, she's clearly a real person, notable and even IF you just take her name at face value, why would a Fairy Tale Bard be banned? Makes zero sense to me. Those instructions on that request move page need to be rewritten in plain English so that the steps you are supposed to take make some sort of sense. Totally silly that they take for granted that people will understand what is meant, look at the bottom of the page for further instruction, or have any idea why only new or unconfirmed users can use that template. Oh well, not my thing to rewrite rules. I'm on to my next woman already. Thanks again! SusunW (talk) 23:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

It worked because you're an admin, so you can override the blacklist ;-) The list is here and this article couldn't be moved because it contained characters that are not English but look similar enough that people try and put them to circumvent other blacklisted titles. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Those characters need to be removed from the blacklist, especially as we are now encouraging the creation of articles about people from every country in the world. Perhaps as an administrator you can do something about it. We simply do not know how many other articles have been banned because they contain characters outside the standard Latin alphabet. Other people are not as insistent on getting things right as Susun is.--Ipigott (talk) 11:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Adding Drmies as they have more mop experience than Megalibrarygirl, Ritchie333, or me; and may have encountered the issue of non-Latin letters in this context previously. Also, SusunW, I haven't double-checked but assume you were able to create Redirects for the alt names, e.g. that you didn't encounter a problem? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:42, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Rosiestep, yes, no problem creating redirects on WP. No Problem fixing Wikidata to reflect her real "name" with alts designated either. @Ritchie333 and Ipigott: Thanks for the explanation. I have to agree with Ian, if we are building this encyclopedia based upon the premise of AGF, why would we have a list of characters that are barred? I get that on the list they are barring distasteful language, but surely there is a way to bar characters in specific unacceptable phrases, rather than an entire alphabet. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

• Mustard after the meal: I don't know anything about blacklists, or how and why this was blacklisted. I do not know if entire alphabets are blacklisted, or if it was some combination. I think the best thing to do is to look at the "blacklist pages" and find the most active admin there. Sure, this particular case is solved, but if you want a more drastic solution we need to know what the facts are, and what the rationales were. I don't rightly know who jots up these blacklisted entries, or even what such an entry can consist of--I do know that our filters, which are similar I think, catch an enormous amount of vandalism before it ever gets to us editors. I learned this fairly recently: can you non-admins see this, for instance? I just blocked that IP. Ritchie333, are filters connected to blacklists? Surely blacklists need filters, but I don't know if those are the same ones. Drmies (talk) 15:54, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

AFAIK, blacklists and filters are completely separate entities - the former is based on titles, the latter is code that can be based on titles, page content, diffs, users etc. I believe I have asked 28bytes and MusikAnimal for help with blacklists before, so they would know the ins and outs. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:58, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

This is super interesting. I wasn't aware of any kind of blacklist filters for certain characters. It does seem like this may be problematic. SusunW, if you need anything moved in the meantime, let me know. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies, Ritchie333, and Rosiestep: and Sue, Thank you all for your help. This is the kind of technical stuff that *yawn* drives me crazy. I admit to being naïve about why in the world people would vandalize anything. If it isn't yours, and how can anything be owned on a public forum, it isn't yours to deface. At least if I create a title that is banned in the future, I'll have some idea why. Still doesn't fix that the instructions are nonsensical but at least I know that it isn't an insurmountable issue as long as my ducks are in a row and it is a valid topic. SusunW (talk) 18:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Ritchie333: I'm coming back to this after a few days to find out whether you or your friends managed to take any action. It's an important matter and needs attention. I have looked at "this" and see no changes on the main page or comments on the talk page. As I am not an administrator, I don't think I am able to act on this but after such a long discussion, it's astonishing that there has been no follow-up. Is there perhaps a higher level to which the discussion should be taken or do you know of any other administrators who could deal with the problem directly?--Ipigott (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Page protected

I've applied a short-term semi-protection to your user talk page given the recent disruption. Please feel free to revert this action -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 09:31, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, There'sNoTime. Do you have any idea what it's all about? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:22, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Link GMG^talk 16:32, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, GreenMeansGo! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Megalibrarygirl, great that your page is semi-protected ..... now if only we can do something about all these kittens...... Coolabahapple (talk) 23:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

So cute, Coolabahapple! Let's teach them to edit Wikipedia. There is a serious bias towards dog-related content. ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

agree, just look whats happening to poor piddles urm, paddles Coolabahapple (talk) 01:22, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Coolabahapple I feel so bad for that cat. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 01:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Who are the monsters at the Hallowe'en ball?

Link to ArbCom discussion: Special:Permalink/807695312#ArbCom election.

The link by GreenMeansGo is misleading. Unusually, the community has opened a talkpage to the "LTA" report to demonstrate that it's no more than an attack page (you can tell because it contains not one mainspace diff). Imagine a court case where the defendant listens politely to the plaintiff's evidence, then when the time comes for her to testify the plaintiff drowns her out so that the judge can't hear her. The OP's comment sets out the case - the testimony is here: Special:Permalink/772838289. The OP's analysis continues here: Special:Permalink/753367955#Edit war on User talk:Ritchie333.

An administrator has already made one attempt to delete the attack page Special:Permalink/805458887#Straw poll: Ban Baseball Bugs from the Reference desk. It failed because it was closed within seven minutes. Here's some of the supporting evidence:

A deletion request here is unlikely to succeed; for legal disputes you could try contacting the Wikimedia Foundation. The page you refer to wasn't created for harassment, but to document a suspected pattern of disruption and to be linked to, to provide context when dealing with it. I wouldn't call what is documented there "abuse"; it should probably be moved into user space or into the sockpuppet investigations case. Are you User:Vote (X) for Change or not?

- Peter James 23:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Jc3s5h is the most tendentious editor on the project. He uses RfPP and SPI as his own personal playpen to exercise WP:OWNERSHIP over articles. Rather like the Spanish government, any views which do not accord with his own are crushed. Sourced improvements go in the trash can. 86.155.148.21 (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I am very confused why you are posting this on my talk page. Do you need help with something on Wikipedia? I am not aware of the dispute at all and going back through the links is not helpful to my understanding of the issue. Please explain it to me simply and concisely. Thanks! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Jill Filipovic

• Jill Filipovic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

What do you suggest should be done, if anything, about a slow but steady drip of anon claims of non-notability at this BLP [4][5], as well as random vandalism both minor [6] and less so [7]? Possibly organized off-wiki, as this person has a big anti-fan group, and has been a Google bomb target. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:52, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: It seems reasonable to protect the page at least at the level of autoconfirmed, I think, based on what you've uncovered and the fact that she's already been Google bombed, as per the reference in her article. Attacks on BLP articles are a huge problem and embarrassing, I think, for Wikipedia in general. It'll be my first time protecting a page. >.< Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Like Yes the BLP issues are of concern especially if we we're to appear to be a tool of of a harassment campaign. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:36, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Further sources

Hello, I have added sources to the Rhea Moss-Christian article. The first is an article from the Marshall Islands Journal newspaper and the second is a radio interview with Moss-Christian that was broadcast on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) Radio Australia program, Pacific Beat. This adds to another news story published by Radio New Zealand that features Moss-Christian. Both the ABC and Radio NZ are national broadcasters in Australia and New Zealand (thus high-quality news sources) and the material features Moss-Christian; they are not just passing references. In both cases the radio networks deemed Moss-Christian to be newsworthy because of her role as Chair of the Western and Central Pacific Fisheries Commission which controls three-quarters of the world's tuna fishery and involves over 40 countries. As Chair, Moss-Christian is key to multilateral tuna negotiations between member countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KEAB (talk • contribs) 21:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Nice work, KEAB! I found a couple of other sources, too and added them. It would be super if we could find a better source for her education than LinkedIn, though. :/ Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:09, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance, I appreciate your guidance. I will look for additional sources regarding education. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KEAB (talk • contribs) 00:29, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

A quick question

Hi Megalibrarygirl, re: Rhea Moss-Christian -- could you please advise how many editors at your level are needed to say 'Keep' before the deletion issue is resolved and can be removed from the page? Another person has added his support to 'Keep' which is great but I am unsure of the process from here and would appreciate your guidance. Many thanks, KEAB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KEAB (talk • contribs) 02:38, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't work like that, KEAB. Anyone's comment has equal weight. What is given special consideration is the way the person is arguing. If a person can show, like we did, that the subject passes GNG, then the person closing the AfD will look to those arguments. There can be one keep and the article will be kept if it's a persuasive argument. It's a complicated process, but we're handling it the right way. When trying to keep an article, the best thing to do is to improve the article so that other editors can see the value of the subject. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:09, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:People from Mauritania has been nominated for discussion

Category:People from Mauritania, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Bearcat (talk) 05:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you and thank you and a question

Thank you for the help on the Olga T. Weber article. It means a lot to me. I am new to adding on to Wikipedia and wanted to make sure her story was out there for others to see. I couldn't believe you found the news articles that you did, amazing work.

I do have a question though at the top of the page it says

This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion.

Any idea on this?

Thank you again ConstitutionTown (talk) 01:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi ConstitutionTown! Welcome to Wikipedia! Learning the ropes takes a while, but it's good to ask questions, like you're doing. The article, Olga T. Weber has been nominated for deletion at AfD. That doesn't mean it will get deleted. The process allows editors several days to debate the merit of the article. If the article is considered notable, the AfD is closed as "keep." I think Weber is certainly notable, so I'm pretty confident the article will be a "keep." If you have any other reliable sources with biographical information, you may want to add them to the article, too. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:33, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl I found some more sources I added if you get a chance to check it out, see what you think. But I had another question, I keep trying to add a picture of her that I have sourced from news articles. I source the image with the link and who took it, but wikicommons is still saying copyright infringements. Any idea on this?ConstitutionTown (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I think the problem with the image is that you need to make sure you have permission to upload it to the internet, ConstitutionTown. Doing so isn't too hard if you have the correct permissions. Can you tell me more about the photo, where it's from, what the copyright release it, etc? Thanks! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl I found the image in one of the news clippings online and cited it from that, https://www.newspapers.com/clip/14609938/ One other question I have is, how long does an article stay up for deletion discussion? Thank you again for all your help! ConstitutionTown (talk) 14:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi ConstitutionTown! The AfD will probably go on until October 27. It's usually about a seven day process. The image you were trying to use is definitely copyrighted, maybe by the Akron Beacon Journal. Getting permission to use photos isn't easy and involves contacting the entity or person who holds the copyright and getting them to release it. There is a process to use on Wikimedia Commons once you have made contact with the copyright holder and they're willing to release it to the Commons. I looked around for photos to use, but didn't come across any. Sometimes local libraries and historical societies have photos they are willing to release. You might try there. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:21, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl I am at a lost on Olga T. Weber article. Does a creator not have a voice on the AfD? What is one to do? ConstitutionTown (talk) 19:08, 14 November 2017 (UTC) -

Hi ConstitutionTown. This is an unusual AfD. It should never have happened. You may comment on the AfD if you wish. I did so and asked that the nominator withdraw his nomination for AfD. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:09, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl This is a crazy AfD discussion am I right? My main purpose was to get her name out there more, like you said, it was the 50s and 60s when women were to be in the kitchen, so they say back then( i don't agree of course) and here she was doing what she was doing making a difference for all. My goal is to get her recognized at more then the levels she was at. She was a very shy person in life and didn't want her name out there publicly, but I think its fine time for her to be notarized for everything she did. She has done more then whats even listed I have found out locally but can't get access to local files right now on her. Hoping to have more soon. ConstitutionTown (talk) 17:21, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, some AfD discussions get intense, ConstitutionTown. I'm glad you wrote about her. I learned something new because of that article. I'm originally from Ohio, so it's cool to go into the history of the state. If you ever need help working on articles, please let me know. You might also be interested in taking part in the Women in the World Contest which also has prizes. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Megalibrarygirl Hello again. I had a question, I was able to check some things at the local library, how would I cite those items? Can I make some digital copies into a PDF and host it some where or just cite the library?ConstitutionTown (talk) 03:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Automatic cite

Hi ConstitutionTown! Cite them using Template:Cite book. It's ok if they are offline sources. The easiest way to do this is to use Visual Editor. When you go to cite, choose "Automatic" and put in the ISBN in the field that says "URL, DOI or PMID" and it will create the cite for you. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Ann Sutton

I noticed your great citation cleanup work on Draft:Ann Sutton Biography‎ and wonder if you ever thought of, or know about, using the {{rp}} as I have done with some articles such as Postmaster General for Scotland or Bernard de Caux so you don't have the same entry several times in the reflist with just a different page number. ww2censor (talk) 19:49, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ww2censor! I'm not familiar with the template, but I'll give it a look. Doing ref cleanup by hand is a pretty long process. :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

You could initially try using reFill javascript on an initial citation cleanup run to see what it fills in by script and then finish the cleanup manually. Really good job well done but I hope we can get a freely licensed photo for an infobox. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 23:39, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

You know, I've not used ReFill too much, Ww2censor. I'll give it a go in the future. Though the cites on Ann Sutton were very strange. I had to pull them apart and figure out what was going on. It was tedious, but straightening out the issue is satisfying in the end. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I noticed the citations were quite odd but I think that was mostly due to the new editor's lack of wiki editing knowledge. It looks pretty clean now. Maybe I'll ping the editor and see if they can get a photo and maybe they will start another new article if they see the results are worthwhile. ww2censor (talk) 17:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Ww2censor, that's awesome. I hope you get a response from the editor. I was surprised the article was rejected, but I guess the weird formatting threw off the reviewer. It was different than we're used to, but I've seen academics do that kind of citing in the past, so I wasn't thrown off. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

I personally think {{rp}} looks unweildy and prefer {{sfn}}, which you can use for just about any citation, not just books - you just need to use ref={{harvid|your_ref_here}} instead of ref=harv. See Euston railway station, where all the "British Rail 1968" sources follow this format. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:50, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I've gotten pretty used to using , too, Ritchie333. I learned how to cite that way from SusunW. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Truth be told Sue, I am glad you like it. Dr. Blofeld drug me kicking and screaming to begin using harvref and sfn. Okay, admittedly I was having a health issue at the time that made it extremely frustrating to try to reformat a long article that was being reviewed for GA, but... once I finally got the hang of it, and my health situation improved, it made a huge difference. Personally, I find long citations in the middle of text very distracting and I love that the compact entry of sfn allows you to skip over the citations and just read through the text :). In the long run, it was beneficial to learn, but as a newbie, WP editing was so very frustrating. Thank goodness I had great mentors who stuck by and helped me. If I can ever help, I'm glad to share the things others shared with me. SusunW (talk) 23:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

SusunW Back atcha! I'm glad we're here to help each other out. :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:38, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more; if an article is saturated with inline citations it makes reading the prose inside the editor completely impossible, and easy for mistakes to crop in. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

References

ITN recognition for Jana Novotná

On 21 November 2017, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jana Novotná, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Cool! I'm glad you were able to use it, Ritchie333. I am often terrible at sportsball articles, but glad I was able to find cites. I am still confused at what a tennis seed is, though. :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

There's a good encyclopedia somewhere round here, you know :-P Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

LMAO, Ritchie333! I was really hoping it had to do with gardening. ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

December WiR editathons

Hi, Sue. A few days ago, I prepared editathon pages for December. Perhaps you could check them through and see if there are any problems. Rosiestep might like to look them through too. I've prepared two draft invitations here, the second one contains a reminder on the World Contest. I thought it might be useful to use that one, sending it out on Friday so that people can continue to contribute over the weekend. I've added some names on music to the red links on Seasonal celebrations. If I have time, I'll try to add more but things are pretty busy at the moment. Happy Thanksgiving!--Ipigott (talk) 11:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

I see both you and Rosie are off-wiki for the time being. Unless I hear from one of you, I'll mail the invitations myself later today or early tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 11:43, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. Not possible at the moment to review the drafts, etc., but I can do the follow-up after family leaves later today. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:25, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Rosiestep and Ipigott: I edited the drafts for a minor fix. They look good. I can add to the redlists, etc a bit today in between stuff my kids and I are doing. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:50, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks as if Rosie would like to look them all through before you send out the invitations. That's fine by me but I think the invitation mentioning the World Contest might give a last boost to participation.--Ipigott (talk) 16:53, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Let me know if you're going to send them out. I'll be on and off sporadically today. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:02, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

I would certainly prefer you to send them out using the Mass Messaging list. I was only intending to send them out if I had no response from either of you. If you're happy with everything, why not send them out now?--Ipigott (talk) 17:06, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

The invitations are visually quite pleasing. And their licensing is suitable. So I agree... ok to go for it! Thank you! --Rosiestep (talk) 22:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

WiR December highlights

		Welcome to Women in Red's December 2017 worldwide online editathons. New: "Seasonal celebrations" "First Ladies" "Go local!" Continuing: #1day1woman Global Initiative Remember the World Contest closes on Thursday, 30 November
		(To subscribe: Women in Red/English language mailing list and Women in Red/international list. Unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list)

--Ipigott (talk) 11:42, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Ipigott! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

I thought it was important to get it out as quickly as possible for all those able to contribute during the weekend. Unfortunately both Rosie and you are on a different time frame. It's easy to lose a full day between messages. But don't worry. It was interesting to see how many talk pages had been cluttered up with invitations from WiR. The mailing list includes over 20 editors who hardly contribute any more but most of them have made a handful of edits over the past three months -- so you never know...--Ipigott (talk) 15:27, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Ipigott I suppose they must not mind the invitations, or they would have opted out. I think we're one of the most active groups in terms of recruiting and having editathons. Even a few contributions is useful. Thank you for being proactive and paying attention to all of the details involved. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:30, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Orna Gadish (Writer)

Hello Megalibrarygirl, Thanks so much for your help. Kindly restore the draft for author Orna Gadish's page. Best regards, Liz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LizMc (talk • contribs) 16:22, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Orna Gadish - Author

Hello Megalibrarygirl! Thanks so much for your help. Kindly restore the draft for author Orna Gadish's page. Best regards, Liz. Username - LizMc — Preceding unsigned comment added by LizMc (talk • contribs) 16:33, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi LizMc! Since you'd like to work on the page further, as per your email to me, I can refund the page to your user space. The article, because it was deleted through consensus shouldn't be moved out into mainspace until there are enough sources to make sure she's notable. I'll send along a copy of the review I found of her work earlier on EBSCO. Good luck working on it, and feel free to ask questions of me any time. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Help with Leila Bennett

If able, would you be able to help me find more news and clippings for Leila Bennett (1892-1965)? I tired to get a subscription to that newspaper website like you referred a while back but I'm not having much success. It would be greatly appreciated to have one more collaboration on an Old Hollywood performer before 2017 fades out. Thanks so much for you're time/consideration and have a Happy Holiday season!Black BIC Ballpoint (talk) 13:52, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Black BIC Ballpoint: I'll take a look. I still have to finish the other actresses you pointed out to me, too. :) Today I'm going to try to finish an article for the Women in the World contest, but I'll see if I can find some clips and add to the article later today or tomorrow. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much!Black BIC Ballpoint (talk) 18:40, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For Cara Romero, all I can say is .... we're not worthy Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Yay beer for me!!!!! :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

A Favor

Thanks for helping Leila Bennett, I need help. Please help me expand on Symond Lawes, I'm having trouble citing, sourcing, and I'm falling behind because I have a funeral to attend. Please help me expand with this new page, it mean a lot. Thank you!Black BIC Ballpoint (talk) 15:57, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

You got it, Black BIC Ballpoint. I hope everything is ok, on the real life side for you. I'm sorry you have a funeral to attend. Take care. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much!Black BIC Ballpoint (talk) 10:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Saving articles from deletion

Awesome job referencing. And thanks for bringing this info to my attention. I care about getting my opinions right.

I have recently saved Evelyn Young from deletion after it was nominated by the same person. Was kind of enjoying it and got carried away a bit with the actress. Still not happy about the birth and death dates and locations. I rolled it back to the IMDb data but have the feeling both suggested sets were of other people. The title of the early film is conjunction. I could only hint at it. Maybe with your vision through walls? gidonb (talk) 03:01, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Gidonb! I'm going to look and I'm also going to ping SusunW who does miracles with finding birth/death records. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Gidonb [8] is the Social Security Death index. Gives death as 6 Dec 1979. Confirms birthdate in Iowa. Looking for an obit, none yet. SusunW (talk) 18:40, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmmmm, but I am wondering if those dates are for the correct person, as I see this [9] which shows that Evelyn Burt did not marry Stanley Young until 1974. Newspaper articles give her name as Young long before 1974. SusunW (talk) 18:45, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I assumed she was never married, SusunW, despite her going by Jenning at one point. But maybe she kept her name if she was married because of her career. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Gidonb [10] She did marry at some point, wife of a violinist. SusunW (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Which yields this [11] for the birth info. SusunW (talk) 19:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

OMG! This is the awesome, SusunW. You historians rock! :) Gidonb, take a look. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:33, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

So do you librarians Sue! SusunW (talk) 20:49, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

This is totally awesome!!! Thank you so much SusunW and Megalibrarygirl! Exactly the information I had been looking for!!! gidonb (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Gidonb:, SusunW is amazing at finding these kind of details. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:44, 30 November 2017 (UTC)