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I wish all my Wikipedia friends a happy new year. Let us hope that the pandemic fades away and we can all get back to a more normal life.

LynwoodF (talk) 00:04, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Langley Hall Primary Academy

The article Langley Hall Primary Academy has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Primary school which does not meet WP:NSCHOOL

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. AusLondonder (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I started this article quite a few years ago, because someone had overloaded the article on Langley, Berkshire, where I was born and raised, with a plethora of questionable information, inadequately referenced. I agree that it does not meet the WP criteria for articles on schools. I have an archive copy of the contents, which I could use if I ever had the energy and courage to write an article about Langley Hall, a building of some note. I am now old and preoccupied with various problems. LynwoodF (talk) 16:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Dalida

Hello. You are probably very fammiliar with the chaos recently happening concerning Dalida's nationality. One of those two users now threatened me on my talk page for possible blocking due to being engaged in edit war, with him. Isn't it biased to have edit war with someone, and then threaten other used for possible blocking. Not to mention he started it.

Overall, I presented in past days the link to photo of Dalida's identity card where it says NATIONALITE FRANCAISE. Those two editores continued to claim there is a possibility of dual citizenship. After I recieved threat couple minutes ago, I did a quick google search and found out this [1]. As Dalida died in 1987, I think things can't be more clear.

But what to do now? I don't want to edit the page anymore as I can get blocked.. Is there any admin help?Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 20:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DalidaEditor, I suggest you have a look at Wikipedia:Requests for administrator attention. If you look down the list of possibilities, you should find a suitable category. I wonder whether Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents might be a good place to start.

I have found that it is not always very satisfactory to request help from administrators, but I think it is worth a try. I will back you up, if necessary. I do not like the attitude of one of the editors involved. They seem to take the attitude that they are right and nobody else can possibly be right.

If you can give clear evidence that she had to give up her Italian citizenship on marriage to a non-Italian, I think we have won the argument. LynwoodF (talk) 21:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for advice LynwoodF, I did post a notice on the Adminboard.

Regarding what you said in last paragraph "clear evidence that she had to give up her Italian citizenship on marriage to a non-Italian", isn't the link the evidence? As much as I understood the text, if she accepted French nationality upon marriage (which she did - identity card), she automatically lost the Italian. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me} 21:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello again, DalidaEditor. I am not entirely sure that tells the full story. Have a look at Italian nationality law#Decisions of the Constitutional Court and laws enacted in consequence (second item). That suggests that if the ruling was made before her marriage, she would not have lost her Italian nationality. Even if it were made later, it could have applied retrospectively. In any case, our adversaries could use this wording as an argument.

Personally, I want to leave the wording as we had it. It succinctly summarizes a complex situation. Her fame came as a result of her career as a French singer. LynwoodF (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Dalida held Italian citizenship and Italian passport. Her mother tongue was Italian. She married at 28 a French man and acquired French citizenship too. Italian law allows to hold double citizenship. Dalida also wasn't just a French singer, but she sang in different languages. She had a career also in Italy. 92.13.51.159 (talk) 23:13, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you go to the talk page for the article on Dalida and read through the various remarks in the final section "Poll". LynwoodF (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry. But you wrote that in the choosing of Dalida's nationality you put a great deal of thought. In which way? Did you research her Italian certificate of birth? Did you check reliable sources? It is a fact that Dalida had Italian and French nationality. Not a point of view. Also I find quite unfair to rely on a clearly partial poll. The ones who want to keep only the French nationality wrote just one line. Also Dalida fame didn't come only as a result of her career as a French singer. 92.13.51.159 (talk) 20:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

As you may have seen, another editor asked me to get involved again. As a result, I researched Italian nationality, as described above. I found out about the provisions which applied from 1948. Nevertheless, I came to the conclusion that the wording we had was adequate for the lede. I imagine you will never be persuaded to agree with me.

People tend to take less notice of unregistered contributors. There is always a possibility that they are registered editors deliberately hiding their identity. If you wish to get more deeply involved in the discussion on the Dalida talk page, you might consider registering. You might manage to persuade other people of your views on this matter. If you have seen my personal page, you may have seen that I am now virtually retired. I am very old now - I remember Hitler's war. I got involved with this again because an old pal asked me to. LynwoodF (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

So, another editor asked you to get involved and you decided to revert that despite having scarse knowledge about it.

You were fed by partisan editors that wrote Dalida had just French citizenship. You said you researched Italian nationality. What sources did you read? English ones?

But you didn't read the law on this subject 'Legge 13 June 1912', updated through different legislative Decrees by the Government and different rulings by the Constitutional Court of Italy, which allowed over the decades to have double citizenships. As I wrote the major Italian news agency (Ansa) confirms Dalida kept her Italian citizenship.

But if (I presume) you don't know Italian and you have zero knowledge about the Italian judicial system and laws why did you feel the need to decide about it? As I wrote, for the other languages the pages of Dalida confirm her Italian citizenship and surely French and Italian editors have more knowledge than you regarding this matter!

I am sorry. I am disappointed. I saw your page. I live in Kingston too and my roots are Italian and certainly I don't want to see in the English wikipedia this type of disinformation, which you have contributed too.

Also even as a non registered user I have the right to contribute to develop Wikipedia. So Stop accusing me to be some editor hiding my identity. 92.13.51.159 (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. I advised you to register, because people take more notice of registered editors. You don't have to do more than you wish to, but again I would say that people take more notice of editors who say something about themselves on their personal pages. I researched Italian nationality law and pointed out to my friend what the situation was at the time of her marriage. There is a discussion on the article talk page, but it has gone quiet. You might want to kick-start it again. LynwoodF (talk) 20:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

What nationality law? What sources? I wrote that the law that was regulating the double citizenship was based on the 'Legge 13 June 1912, n.555" and subsequent legislative decrees (by Government) and the different rulings by the Constitutional Court of Italy in the next decades.

The link posted by Dalida editor is an unreliable source. Exactly this:

https://italiancitizenshipassistance.com/

which is a private law company website assisting people with Italian ancestry to gain Italian citizenship (mainly Americans).

Also I already posted a link from a major Italian news agency which reports that the mayor of Serrastretta, Dalida's parents hometown, has stated that despite living in Egypt "Dalida's family retained the citizenship and domicile of the entire family in the municipality of Serrastretta. The entire registry of her family is transcribed in the registers of this Municipality, in which there is also the transcription of Dalida's birth certificate, and it was precisely the Municipality of Serrastretta that made her the banns for her marriage in 1961". 92.13.51.159 (talk) 21:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

You are misunderstanding. I pointed out that she did not lose her Italian citizenship. I did not rely on the source you criticize. LynwoodF (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

MMB

Better here, i suppose, than on the article talk page. My father worked at the Thames Ditton office. He was there from the late '50s till 1970 when he left to go to Canada. His final position, i believe, was as Head of Production, which sounds grand, but i don't really know.... Though you're likely too young, any possibility that you knew him? Happy days ~ Lindsay^Hello 12:33, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Sounds grand enough to me. He was a Head of Department and I never was. I am pretty ancient – 81 last birthday – but I started at the MMB in 1978, having worked for other organizations for some years. My job was called Product Costs Accountant and I worked in the Commercial Division, which turned into Dairy Crest. I left in 1986 and went freelance. Strange that I earned my living as a Management Accountant, when my heart is in linguistics. My Iberian linguistics tutor at Nottingham got me interested in the Romanian language and in retirement I talk to Romania every day – mainly in English, as they want to practise theirs, which, while sometimes a bit quirky, is a great deal better than my Romanian! LynwoodF (talk) 14:33, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Ha! I found the same when i lived in Rome, many years ago: I learned Italian and tried to speak it, but everyone wanted to speak English ~ they'd answer in English, even, if you spoke to them in Italian! At times i'm grateful i speak the world's de facto lingua franca as a mother tongue, but at times it has annoyed me in that i have less necessity to learn another, though i have tried with varying levels of success (failed French O Level more than once!). I am fascinated by linguistics, though i amn't clever enough to understand a lot of it; so interesting to see how languages have (and still do) developed. Happy days ~ Lindsay^Hello 08:28, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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