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- Hi Luke. References that show Richmann's law with specific heats don't have to be in English. It may be a more common term in German. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi StarryGrandma. Ive looked for sources in german, I hope its okay if I just put them here:
- The law is named after him, even if he didn't formulate it with specific heat.
- This book shows the first formula he stated:
- https://www.google.de/books/edition/Das_Experiment_in_der_Physik/vNLPBgAAQBAJ?hl=de&gbpv=1&dq=richmannsche+mischungsregel&pg=PA59&printsec=frontcover
- So you're completely right, this should be explained in the article
- Just for conformation that despite all that the described law (with specific heat) is called Richmann's Law
- https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/physik-abitur/artikel/waermeaustausch-zwischen-koerpern# (This source is created by Duden, the most established Dictionary in germany)
- It states the Law itself.
- https://www.lernhelfer.de/schuelerlexikon/physik-abitur/artikel/georg-wilhelm-richmann (Still Duden)
- It states: "He became known above all for establishing a law with which one can calculate the mixing temperature of two bodies. With this he had found the first general equation for calorimetric calculations. This law was later named the Richmann rule of mixtures in his honor."
- Same is stated in this Book
- https://www.google.de/books/edition/Poethen_Schlüter/fGXU6_Wqg60C?hl=de&gbpv=1&dq=richmannsche+mischungsregel&pg=PA367&printsec=frontcover
- I will fix the German Article accordingly in the following days, Id really appreciate, if you could fix the English version. Otherwise I will just submit a new translation, when im finished with the German article. Kind Regards LukeTriton (talk) 23:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I decided to auto-translate parts of the Book for you, because its protected from Textdetection:
- Do get m1 gram of water of temperature t1 with m2 gram of water
- mixed at the temperature t2, after proper stirring the
- Heat substance evenly to the (m1 + m2) gram and becomes a
- mixing temperature tmi lying between the starting temperatures:
- m1t1 = (m1 + m2) tmi
- and from this: tmi = (m1t1 + m2t2) / (m1 + m2).
- This was confirmed by measurements by the Swedish physicist Georg Wilhelm
- Richmann (1750), professor at the Imperial Academy in Petersburg, she
- is therefore called Richmann's rule of mixtures.
- [...]
- If we follow his approach with the concept of specific heat,
- like you learn it in elementary school today. With the designations
- m, t and e for mass, temperature and specific heat, t2 for the upper one
- temperature, t for the cold temperature and tmi for the mixing temperature, den
- indices m for metal and w for water and the assumption that cold water
- The heat absorbed is equal to the heat given off by the metal
- amount, the result is:
- mm * cm (t2 - tmi) = mw * cw (tmi-t1).
- Because Mm = Mw: Cm
- = Cw (tmi - t1)/(t2 - tmi).
- In any case, Wilke is the first to discover the "peculiar" warmth,
- the subsequent specific heat capacities or specific heats,
- and provided a method for determining them. Characteristic for his me-
- method is that mw = mm had to be, hence the simple formulas. Whether Wilke
- also found the phenomenon of the heat of fusion independently, is insofar
- knows when he told an acquaintance that he had something about trying one
- Heard of Scots, but neither read about it in the literature nor through
- ask to find out more. That Scot was Joseph Black, his
- Works were not printed until after his death.
- Joseph Black (1728--1799), MD, from 1756--1766 Professor of
- Anatomy and Chemistry at Glasgow University, then Professor of Chemistry
- in Edinburgh, is the first discoverer of what he called "latent heat"*
- called. LukeTriton (talk) 00:01, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have also found sources, by using the translation of the German article's name. In English it is commonly known as "Richmann's mixing rule" or "Richmann's rule of mixture" or "Richmann's law of mixtures" and there are references. Richmann's version is the one without specific heats, but the rule was expanded by Black. That relation is also used to determine the specific heat of a substance relative to water. See:
- William Francis Magie (1905). Syllabus of a Course of Lectures on Physics. Princeton Press. pp. 148–151. OCLC 17986029.
- J. L. Heilbron (2022). Elements of Early Modern Physics. Univ of California Press. pp. 76–79. ISBN 978-0-520-35665-8.
- StarryGrandma (talk) 00:54, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @StarryGrandma, I fixed the German article please hit me up if I should resubmit it in AfC. Thanks for your help. LukeTriton (talk) 11:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have also found sources, by using the translation of the German article's name. In English it is commonly known as "Richmann's mixing rule" or "Richmann's rule of mixture" or "Richmann's law of mixtures" and there are references. Richmann's version is the one without specific heats, but the rule was expanded by Black. That relation is also used to determine the specific heat of a substance relative to water. See:
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