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New {{Rint}} icons

Now available for CTA lines: {{rint|chicago|…}}. Useddenim (talk) 15:50, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Lost In Translation?

Is your name a play on Lost In Translation? Liberty5651 (talk) 02:15, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a reference to anything. It's just a name that randomly popped into my head some years ago that I thought sounded like a good band name. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 02:20, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. The posts you update are interesting. I've read more then a few.

You might like the model train sets that are built and operated in the Clarendon Park Field House in the neighborhood uptown. That area used to be the end to the CTA "L" system (and the city limits). I imagine you're aware about that. There was a large rail yard somewhere around Buena St. and Broadway Ave. As the CTA's expanded it's move north to Howard at the Evanston border. The whole system keeps on changing ... updating ... The Belmont fly-over'll be something to see. Liberty5651 (talk) 16:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CTA Routemaps

moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Current only vs. complete historical information
Useddenim (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some new icons

… that might be useful to you:
(RP4yvRP2+r) (vRP2yRP4+r) (vRP2yRP4+l) (vRP2yRP4l) (RP4yvRP2+l) (RP4yvRP2r) (vRP2yRP4r) (RP4yvRP2l)

Also, did you notice that at soon as the discussion about removing historical information was put in front of a wider audience, the complainers disappeared? Useddenim (talk) 13:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More generic divided road icons! Nice work, Useddenim! I’m still waiting on that discussion to see how it plays out. Something tells me it isn’t over just yet.

Also, could you fix Template:Pink Line (CTA) for me? Recently, Randolph/Wabash was removed from it, but in actuality, Madison/Wabash should have been reinserted between Washington and Adams. I was planning on doing it, but couldn’t figure out the best way to have both Washington/Wabash and Madison/Wabash appear on the top line in a way that was clear (and not ugly). The sequence should be (X)Randolph/Wabash, Washington/Wabash, (X)Madison/Wabash, and Adams/Wabash. The diagram was narrowed when Randolph was removed, and I could go either way on the width; I think it looks nicer in the wider format (and more accurately portrays the shape of the Loop), but I also like narrower diagrams as they take up less real estate. (The other closed Loop stations should not be added as they closed before the start of the Pink Line.) Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 20:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

47th Street

Do you know which 47th Street station the Wabash Railroad used? I suspect it's Kenwood (which I just added to the dab) but it may be a fourth station with no article. The background is that I'm trying to fix bad links in articles such as Englewood station (Chicago). I think a simple edit to Module:Adjacent stations/Wabash Railroad will do the job but I'm not sure which article to link to. Any help would be welcome please. Certes (talk) 21:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 47th Street station (and the Englewood station) you’re looking for was on the Chicago and Western Indiana Railroad. Part of the line (with a BSicon map) is available at SouthWest Service. There isn’t a page for either station, although this user page is for the correct Englewood station. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 20:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I didn't realise that there was another Englewood station too. Was Englewood station (Chicago) actually on the Wabash railroad, or should that section simply be removed from the "Former services" table on the grounds that it applies only to the different Englewood described in User: space? Certes (talk) 23:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! I made the same mistake at one point. The Wabash should be removed from the existing Englewood station because it applies to the other station. (Interestingly enough, the Englewood station with an article doesn’t exist, but the one without an article partially exists.) Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 00:05, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That's everything fixed except Dearborn Station. Dearborn claims to have been on the Erie Railroad, Grand Trunk Western Railroad and Wabash Railroad and I think it's right. 47th in all three cases should refer to 47th Street (Chicago and Western Indiana Railroad station), right? Certes (talk) 08:04, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think according to WP:USSTATION, it should either be 47th Street station (Chicago) or 47th Street station (Chicago and Western Indiana Railroad), but yes. All of those lines should point to the same station. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 15:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I went for the longer name, as the shorter would have been ambiguous. Certes (talk) 09:58, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois Central

Is User:Lost on Belmont/Illinois Central West Line ready to be moved to mainspace? I'm just wondering because I'm slowly adding navigation templates to former Chicago railroads and I stumbled across your page. Cards84664 (talk) 05:10, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately it still needs a little work to be viable. I'll see what I can throw together in the next few days. I've noticed the work you've been doing adding the navigation templates. It's good stuff! ~~(As a side note, the link for Halsted Street station listed in the Museum Campus former services should be Halsted Street station (Heritage Corridor).)~~ Fixed. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 03:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Metra

I created a stub for Peterson Ridge station. Cards84664 01:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago L issue

Current

Former stations
Station	Branch	Location	Opened	Closed	Status
Western	Garfield Park	Near West Side	June 19, 1895	September 27, 1953	Demolished

Rapid transit stations on the Chicago "L"
Station	Lines	Transfers	Location	Opened	Structure
Western	Blue	—	Near West Side	June 22, 1958	Expressway median
Logan Square	Blue	—	Logan Square	May 25, 1895	Underground

Proposal

Former stations
Station	Branch	Location	Opened	Closed	Status
Logan Square	Logan Square	Near West Side	May 25, 1895	February 1, 1970	Demolished

Reopened stations
Station	Line	Opened	Closed	Reopened	Old branch	Current branch
Western	Blue Line	June 19, 1895	September 27, 1953	June 22, 1958	Garfield Park	Congress

Rapid transit stations on the Chicago "L"
Station	Lines	Transfers	Location	Opened	Structure
Western	Blue	—	Near West Side	June 19, 1895	Expressway median
Logan Square	Blue	—	Logan Square	February 1, 1970	Underground

(Also pinging @Mjdestroyerofworlds: due to their involvement with year categories for rail stations)

I think Logan Square should display the newest opening date, since the el and subway stations were not on the same spot.
Vice versa with Racine, Ogden (I.M.D), Western, California, and Austin on the Garfield Park Branch, those stations are on the exact same alignment.

For reference, I have created a google map here, using aerial data from historicaerials.com.

(I also noticed that UIC-Halsted is not on the same alignment, so I removed this edit that has been around since 2017)

Above, I have used Logan Square and Western as an example of what I'd like to change. Cards84664 13:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above chsnges Mjdestroyerofworlds (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the proposed changes are fine for Logan Square, but I have to disagree with the proposed for the Garfield Park stations. Those stations might be on the same right of way, but the current placement and function are different. The Congress branch was a replacement of the Garfield Park 'L' and the stations were the same. Additionally, some were built as consolidations of other stations: Racine (Congress) replaced Racine (Met) and Laflin while Medical Center/IMD replaced Marshfield, Ogden, and Hoyne for example. Additionally, to start adding some stations as being the same on both lines, but not others puts things into a weird gray area for a separation of the two lines. It's my opinion that the only station that was on both the Garfield and Congress is Forest Park. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 23:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, if you're splitting Logan Square, you might as well split State/Van Buren and Library since they aren't located exactly in the same spot and the new station wasn't a one-to-one replacement of the old since it was built for the library more so than the intersection. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

True on the positioning, but it's the same tracks, I wouldn't split something like Damen or Oakton–Skokie into new and old articles. Cards84664 04:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Remaining uncolored Metra templates

Hello, and thank you for your help with coloring Metra's route diagram templates. You may notice I have done little to no work on the Milwaukee District & North Central lines. Unfortunately, I ran into some roadblocks with missing icons, mainly diagonal arrows and yards (and in the case of the NCS template, ex-bypassed stations at Hermosa and Cragin). I had made every effort to create these icons myself, but could not find any recommended programs that would work on devices available to me. (With that being said, I have made some work-around edits that are not perfectly accurate but use available icons on other templates.) The three fully colored templates (with red links) are available for copying or editing in my sandbox if you want to take a look at what I mean. Thanks for reading and for your contributions! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 01:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let me start by saying great work on colorizing the route diagrams and making the Metra system map! I thought about attempting to make one years ago, but never started because I found it to be too much of a hassle. You’ve done magnificent work!

As for the missing icons, I can make them when I get time, however doing this is actually incredibly easy. All you need is a basic text editor. Find an existing version of a missing icon, save it with a file name that adds the color set after a space (e.g. save BSicon_fubar.svg as BSicon_fubar ochre.svg). Open the file in your text editor. At the top of every BSicon category page on Wikimedia is a set of colors with its character string. Find the existing color and replace it with the color of the new set. (The (active) base color is "#BE2D2C". Ochre (active) is "#CC6600".) Save and upload to commons. Voila! New icon.

On a related note, I was intending to write to you this morning about the colors for the diagrams. In several cases, the colors you’ve picked for the Metra lines are duplicates of colors in use for CTA lines (for instance Rock Island and Red Line). What you do think about shifting some of the Metra colors slightly so that both lines can be colored in the same maps? Also, why brown for the South Shore? The color I think they use is Maroon in their materials. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 14:38, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback. I will look into finding a text editor. As for some of your questions, I personally think the CTA lines should remain in base "u" on Metra templates, and have Metra lines continue to use the standard color on CTA templates. I know this may not have been the answer you wanted, but some lines are very similarly colored between the two systems. This is also why I used brown for the South Shore Line for the systemwide map, to avoid clashing with the Heritage Corridor. Because the Heritage Corridor is a Metra line, I favored it when figuring out which lines get which color. (On the other hand, I will recolor the individual SSL map to maroon later because indeed the two lines never intersect.)

Finally, one more unrelated thing for the SSL template, the intersection with the Calumet in Illinois has been shown with the SSL traveling over the Calumet, but this contradicts the ME template, along with satellite images, and both historical and original research, all of which showing ME and SSL traveling under. I changed this on color draft, but not the existing template so as not to edit-war.

Thank you for the kind words and I will work towards your recommendations as soon as I can. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 15:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Metra Electric template was recently corrected for the Calumet. Go ahead and fix the South Shore template. I don’t know if the South Shore needs to be colorized since it’s a one line system, but hey, be BOLD.

I still think that NCS should be lavender or purple instead of violet, since they appear closer to the color on Metra’s website. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 02:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the NCS being regular purple (lavender didn't look too good in the past) but I would have to make a shift piece [

(v-SHI2r)] in purple first. That, and the NCS icon is quite dark compared to the timetables. The SSL error has been fixed, and I colored the template because the West Lake Corridor has been shown in a cream color. The closest I could find to that was ex-golden, and I am not about to request a new color for a short branch. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 12:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I experimented with a few text editors and found one (Coolle Image Editor) where I actually got progress done [using

(CONT1+f) orange as a test dummy,] but I was unable to save the icon as an .svg file, as it is apparently not supported (possibly my old PC?). I will have to either try a different device or outsource it, the latter of which I really do not want to do. I tried putting it directly into the Upload Wizard, but it was the unedited copy in the original color. So unfortunately I appear to be stuck. Sorry. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 04:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you’re using a PC, I’d recommend using notepad. It has come packaged with Windows since the Stone Age and is about as basic as it gets. It’s what I use when making/editing BSicons. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 23:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Got it figured out, I think! Thank you so much!

(CONT1+f orange) Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 02:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick update - all templates are done! I really appreciate your recommendations and patience. In case you are curious, my user page now has a diagram showing all icons I recolored/uploaded. Thanks again for you help! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 02:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Halsted Street station (Heritage Corridor) moved to draftspace

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Heritage Corridor diagram

Hello, I started (and immediately stopped) work on changes to an existing route diagram template and I thought you would be interested in having a look.

I started work on expanding the Heritage Corridor diagram to include large portions of the Sanitary & Ship Canal and the Des Plaines River, since they closely follow the commuter line. I decided not to finish for several reasons (mainly because it seems less than relevant), but if you are willing to offer an opinion, let me know. It is in my sandbox at the top.

Note that some icons are missing and incorrectly colored, I never started on the locks in Lockport, and the waterways are not labeled. Of course, if I decide to continue, those will all be fixed. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 21:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was concerned that additions like this would clutter the map making it difficult to read (for instance, the SWS map) but the Heritage Corridor additions look great! You bring up a valid point about about relevance. If you could tie the map in to the Illinois and Michigan Canal to connect the two "Heritage Corridors", then the addition would definitely be a winner, but with the canal's removal and replacement, making the situation clear seems like a difficult task. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 20:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I'll keep it separate from the existing diagram, cut away the rail line east of Summit and replace it with a continuation arrow, and put a caption at the bottom noting its location relative to the canals/river, and stick it all in a section of the HC rail page, sort of like a scenic railroad article. Especially since it is Rails, Trails, and Ales season. At this time, I cannot make the edits needed to make it presentable, but your input has me thinking it can indeed be a successful diagram, separate from the regular one. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's an excellent idea. Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 23:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

Sorry about the edit to the UP-W diagram last night. I honestly thought the St. Charles spur branched away before Geneva. Looks like the bridge I saw to the north (spanning the river) was actually a Great Western bridge. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CTA Tower 18

I was bored and decided to make a colored diagram of Tower 18 at Lake and Wells. It is in my sandbox. Let me know what you think of it. If you like it, I can make one for Tower 12. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 01:31, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think it looks pretty good! The only thing I'd personally change is making the curves smaller that way you can use circular curves for both tracks (e.g. uSTRl and ukSTR2, ukSTRl+4, etc.) Lost on Belmont ^3200N_1000W (talk) 17:21, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lost on Belmont: I did initially try it at a smaller scale, but I stopped halfway through because it looked too cluttered. Also, the "k" curves overlapped at the opposite corners (ex. where the Pink Line exits the loop and the Purple Line enters) when in reality, they do not overlap, meaning Pink and Purple Line trains can travel through the junction at the same time without difficulties.

I also tried a larger scale, but it looked too clumsy so I didn't bother to finish that edit. But regardless, your input is appreciated and I will get to work on Tower 12. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]