User talk:Lightburst/Archive 12-31-23

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Prodding an article expanded from redirect is usually a bad idea...

... if the redirect is reasonable, which this is. Instead it is better to BLAR or merge if the topic is clearly non-notable or better dealt with in one Wikipedia article. (I wouldn't oppose some kind of merge in this case). (t · c) buidhe 01:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposed @Buidhe:. I searched to see if they are a distinguished prof or head of dept. I think their notability is not there at the moment. I will let you take care of it. Lightburst (talk) 01:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A topic doesn't need to meet every applicable notability criterion to be notable. Even profs who are not notable according to WP:NPROF are commonly notable under WP:NAUTHOR or WP:GNG if they have published books or gotten media attention. I try to check all avenues of notability and alternatives to deletion before proposing deletion of an article. (t · c) buidhe 01:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I understand you @Buidhe:. It was really not expanded; it is a stub, and my own checks have determined that there is not NPROF notability. I can leave you to decide to redirect or merge and failing that, I can send it to draft or to AfD. At AfD editors can determine if he meets WP:NAUTHOR, because being familiar with the criteria I do not see the subject meeting the guideline. Lightburst (talk) 02:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for William D. Hoard

On 30 August 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article William D. Hoard, which you recently nominated. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/William D. Hoard. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, ), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Theleekycauldron thanks, I just asked a question about this hook and the swapped out image at DYK talk. Lightburst (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

a small note

non-bios and non-U.S. hooks (of different countries) can be next to each other; please keep an eye on joined u.s. and bio hooks, though! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Theleekycauldron: Lightburst (talk) 13:38, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Picture slots

Please stop filling up all the picture slots in prep sets if you don't intend to actually build one. It doesn't really serve much purpose at all, does it? I really hope you're not doing it in an effort to prevent a certain nomination from appearing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: This is such a surprising message. I had no such intention. I just thought the promoted images and articles were great. My practice has always been to promote a few nominations a day. I do not ever fill a whole set. I do not think there is any rule about building a whole set. I try to help when I can. Lightburst (talk) 12:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: Hey I should have also told you that you can feel free to move hooks and images in the preps. If you find a better image or you think one of the promoted hooks is needed elsewhere. cheers Lightburst (talk) 14:20, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have done, thanks Lightburst. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@HJ Mitchell: Thanks for the message. I was not looking to continue bantering in that AE request but most of what User:El C said in there about "targeting" is aspersions. I will not pursue the matter but I thought you should know that I do not target anyone on the project. I have interacted with El C maybe 4 times in the last 5 years. As for your above statement, it will be easy to follow your advice. I appreciate an administrator such as yourself who understands the issues and does not assume bad faith. I am involved with the NPP backlog lately so I will see you around the project! Lightburst (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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My pronouns

Just a FYI, my pronouns are she/her, per my user page. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@LilianaUwU: I do not use pronouns when working on the encyclopedia. If you are offended by this reference to you in the DRV as the appellant or the word "their" you are getting worked up for nothing. Lightburst (talk) 00:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Connecticut field pumpkin

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RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Pumpkin queen

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RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Halloween!

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And thank you as well for your work on the Halloween set, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Oliver C. Dawson

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theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copy/pasting comments

I don't know if you intended to quote my comment, but copy/pasting it (including the signature!) is something I consider a no-no.[1] There's a {{tq}} template for that purpose. Renerpho (talk) 02:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Renerpho: I think that is a whoops! I must have made a mistake when I had the (edit conflict). Apologies!

@Lightburst: Accepted. :) Renerpho (talk) 03:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK concern for Nakba denial

Hello, I see Nakba denial briefly had its neutrality templates removed, including when you reviewed it, but the issues have not been resolved. There could in theory be a neutral article written about this distinct from Nakba but it's being maintained as a POV fork: obvious corrections using the exact text developed at existing, more balanced articles, are reverted without discussion. I don't have time to resolve right now, but it is an unrepresentative take on a hot topic, and seems a poor target for a DYK. – SJ + 18:49, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sj: Your opinion is that it is a POV fork but that was not determined in the recent AfD. You have hung a dispute tag on the article, placed a notice on the talk page of the article, placed a notice the DYK template, and notified me here on my talk page. But you will need to get consensus for such claims; and to cancel a DYK nomination. In any event the DYK cannot proceed with a dispute WP:DYKTAG. Lightburst (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarity. I left a ping here b/c I wasn't sure if commenting after you on the DYK template was currently deprecated, and didn't know how oscillating tags were currently being handled. (Yes the above is my opinion, consensus sorely needed; let me know if you see a better option than tag + talk section in these madding times) Warmly, – SJ + 22:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ralph Smith (American football)

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Interesting

Hi there. Wanted to reach out regarding your comment on Template:Did you know nominations/Bitter Legacy. I'm not super involved in DYK, so I want to calibrate. Generally when I've been writing or doing QPQ, I have leaned on the WP:DYKINT guidance of about hooks especially things like intriguing or unusual, leave the reader wanting to know more. Do you mind sharing your opinion on why the linked hook might not meet the criteria? Would it be helpful in the future if I left a comment on what I found to be intriguing/unusual or what more I wanted to know after reading? Thanks! —siro χ o 23:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Siroxo: I don't usually reject nominations based on "interesting". You did nothing wrong in approving the hook and our guidelines say likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. It was rather factual and uninteresting to me but I promoted it. It is ok for us to have different opinions because it is a subjective criteria. If it runs we can circle back to this conversation and see how many people were attracted by the hook. Lightburst (talk) 23:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

Hi, I just wanted to explain myself regarding the referencing style at Matilda Cole. Adjacent references for me are anathema; aside from the fact that they technically violate WP:SEAOFBLUE, different sources omit different details, and I believe in verifiability. That said, do you know offhand of a tool that can highlight where references are not next to punctuation? I'm working on Piri's article on and off as I'd like to get it to FA and I'm essentially clumping them together using {{Notetag}}. (And if you can think of a neater way of doing it, I'm all ears.) Laun chba ller 09:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I would look to see if there are any GAs or FAs that use this (in sentence) citation style. There are many different styles are used on the project but I prefer them end of sentence and our guidelines seem to agree. If we look at the first sentence in the Life and career section of Matilda_Cole#Life_and_career there are six citations within one sentence every few words.

4 words (citation)

6 words (citation)

3 words (citation)

4 words (citation)

3 words (citation)

The second sentence in that section is similar in that there are five in sentence citations. I did not check if all of them are needed, but the numerous citations within a sentence are distracting. I do not think end of sentence citations violates WP:SEAOFBLUE since that involves actual text blue links, but in the case of the sentence I have mentioned above we could refer to the guidelines of WP:OVERCITE or WP:REFBOMB. Is it possible that the citations in that sentence are duplicative and can be consolidated end of sentence? I mentioned in the nomination WP:CITEFOOT it is usually sufficient to add the citation to the end of the clause, sentence. Lightburst (talk) 15:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 1 is a song directory that contains a list of songs and no other biographical information other than her name. Ref 2 contains Sussex, Brighton, and Camden, though is unclear which (she could mean the London Borough of Camden - though I am from London, so perhaps I'm showing my bias). Ref 3 says LA and Camden, but is also unclear which (and I think Los Angeles is common enough that she's unlikely to mean anywhere else). Only ref 4 says "Camden Town", which means all four are necessary. (Ref 5 I have moved to later anyway, but I'm using a bit of WP:SKYISBLUE since it describes "a Buddhist school that's closed down now", of which there has only ever been one in this country and it was in Patcham near Brighton - though perhaps I should add a reference to that effect.) I've reworked the article a little bit. Laun chba ller 17:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Sugarbush Hill

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Insightful comment

I appreciated your comment here. I agree with your take and think that someone who a) prides themself on being unnecessarily nasty towards editors who they personally dislike, and b) frequents a Kiwi Farms-lite harassment site dedicated to airing Wikipedians’ dirty laundry without their knowledge or consent so spiteful ex-Wikipedians can mock them, should not be an admin let alone an arbitrator. At the time of the cited incident I probably would have sided with Beeb/JSS because I considered you my enemy at the time, but I’ve since been on the on the receiving end of their contempt and that of other supposedly respectable users who use so-called Wikipedia:BADSITES and think maybe it’s time for some stricter ethics standards for users in positions of authority. Dronebogus (talk) 20:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I was upset with your ANI a few years ago but I never thought of you as an enemy. We all need friends or at least respect on here and we should always remind ourselves that each of us are donating labor. Time heals all wounds but the edit history remains. Sadly we can refresh our memories about every perceived slight by looking at previous edits. I read through that Halloween thread that you started several times. Oddly enough I looked at it yesterday and I had to stop reading it lest I remember the folks who said awful things about me. I think that there is one thing getting chastised by the community does for you: it frees you up to speak truth to power. To me, Beebs never seemed like the adult in the room. The fact that they cannot be trusted should be a disqualifier for an admin position. But going forward maybe you and I can each appreciate each other's contributions to the project. It is comforting to think that the arc of Wikipedia relationships can bend toward understanding or friendship. Thanks for the message... I added a dove above. Lightburst (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment at RfA talk

Hi Lightburst: Perhaps you were referring to something different. But I've just seen your "have a health issue" remark and my reaction was similar to ScottishFinnishRadish's. Perhaps you were recalling a different RfA from the one where the candidate simply disappeared mid-RfA and the reason turned out to be a life-threatening cardiac event, because I'm sure you would not wish to imply that such events are simply due to getting too wound up, let alone comparable to the "ANI flu". Or perhaps you weren't aware of the full story because it only emerged after the RfA had been closed. I can't believe you would intentionally be so meanspirited while making a comparison out of a generous motivation toward the recent candidate. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir: Thanks for the message. I was stating the concern that SFR and ATG were referring to when they wanted folks to stop voting. I was saying that none of us wanted PE to frustration quit or get worked up enough to have a health issue as a result of reading the oppose rationales. The candidate was in good spirits and taking on the criticism-and they wanted to let the RFA run. In the case that I am tone-deaf what would you like me to do? Lightburst (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I get that that was your motivation, and I appreciate the sentiment. And this is on your talk page, and intentionally a bit vague, because there's nothing that can be done now to put the toothpaste back in the tube. But I would rather attribute the health mention to obliviousness—or your thinking of someone else entirely—than believe you to have been that "tone-deaf". Yngvadottir (talk) 00:32, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir: Thanks for checking in. Some editors talk at me or about me so I appreciate that you have spoke to me. I felt bad for PE, and imagine how soul crushing it is to read through. I imagine I should have wrote that response to PE without that last sentence. Lightburst (talk) 00:50, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Весела Коледа! ~ Meri Kirihimete!

Hello, Lightburst! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
★Trekker (talk) 12:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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★Trekker (talk) 12:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Merry Christmas, Lightburst!
Wishing you Season's Greetings and a Happy Winter Solstice! As the year comes to a close, I want to express my appreciation for your dedicated efforts on Wikipedia and extend heartfelt thanks for your assistance throughout the years. May the holiday season bring you and your loved ones abundant joy, good health, and prosperity.

RV (talk) 10:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas greetings

May the bells of Christmas ring for freedom!^[1]

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May peace be upon us.

And have a happy and prosperous New Year. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~ ~ ~ Merry Christmas! ~ ~ ~

Hello Lightburst: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Spread the love; use {{subst:User:Dustfreeworld/Xmas1}} to send this message.
CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Malpas, Anna (December 24, 2023). "How Ukraine independence song became a Christmas classic". AFP.

Two against the world?

The first time he "shoots from the hip" with his block button, I'll be right there with an "I told you so." ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GhostOfDanGurney: I am ultimately going to err on the side of protecting the volunteers and the content they create. If I get a hint that someone is going to be punitive or do a rapid-double-revert with no discussion I will oppose. I am ok being in the minority when registering my vote.

I think if we could vote privately it would be best for the project. Many editors who presently want to be a sysop will rubber-stamp candidates. We should be voting for what is best for the project but with public votes it taints the process. Good to know you. Lightburst (talk) 17:36, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think having fewer admins would be better for the project? – bradv 18:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bradv Fewer admins is better than just adding admins that may not be right for the job. I am not infallible as you know - for instance I opposed your nomination for low main space participation. But I never thought of you as knee-jerk or punitive. I see this candidate as too involved in the drama forums and often they suggest harsh punishments for volunteers. We could probably use more admins like you, or Barkeep49 but those are not easy to find. Lightburst (talk) 19:17, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The issue I have with that statement is that having fewer admins will just lead to uneven, inconsistent, or even biased enforcement. There are other Wikipedias that have suffered from this issue, most notably the Croatian Wikipedia which was taken over by far-right nationalists (at the time they only had 27 administrators). I'm sure you know from your content work that only having a few editors on an article (particularly a controversial one) will allow their biases to shine through, whereas having lots of editors means it should eventually achieve neutrality (this is one of the core philosophical ideas behind Wikipedia – similar to Linus's law in the free/open source software world).

The other point I would like to make is that I wasn't a good admin before my RfA. Similarly, I wasn't a good father before my first child was born. If I can claim either of these titles at this point, a lot of the credit is due to those around me. Getting good at something requires not just hard work, but also constructive criticism and positive feedback loops. In other words, good administrators are not "found", they are made. – bradv 19:38, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bradv: Dr. Phil said, "The best predictor of future behavior is relevant past behavior". You had no past behavior that would indicate that you would be shouting Boomerang at dozens of editors who come to ANI for help. I am thankful for your comments here and I am always willing to consider changing my position. Lightburst (talk) 21:04, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Temperament

I noticed you inadvertently linked my RfA vote I made at the recently-withdrawn RfA. You're not necessarily wrong that my temperament isn't right for adminship, and that's why I have no plans on running anytime soon. While I think Banks Irk's comments went beyond criticism of the candidate on the merits into insulting, and they've now been blocked, perhaps my comment wasn't really necessary. I'll try to express disagreement more civilly going forward (I could have simply said "while I disagree with Banks Irk's reasoning"). I appreciate you striking your comment mentioning me. I think we have different viewpoints on a lot of matters, but I've noticed and appreciated your helpful contributions at places like DYK. Enjoy your New Year. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the message and my apologies. It was careless editing on my part. You are appreciated and I have enjoyed your contributions. The comment you made was technically WP:AVOIDYOU but I am not surprised Banks Irk was blocked. ~~It is about the fourth editor I have seen blocked after opposing in an RFA.~~ My wish is the RFA adopts Arbcom type voting. Lightburst (talk) 15:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Trainsandotherthings: Correction, the Banks block was oversight. Lightburst (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Malpas, Anna (December 24, 2023). "How Ukraine independence song became a Christmas classic". AFP.

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