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Ok, thanks. I answered you at the article's talkpage Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 12:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Naveen Jain

Hi Lidiia Kondratieva. We seem to be having difficulties communicating, and I'm not clear why or what to do at this point. Our past interactions haven't been a problem as far as I'm aware. If there's something that I missed, please let me know.

Could you please refrain from further personal comments on Talk:Naveen Jain, and consider striking out the current personal comments you have already made? Then, perhaps you could explain what you're trying to accomplish there. --Ronz (talk) 22:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Ronz, what "communicating difficulties" are you speaking about? If you mean your "garbage in, garbage out" I forgive you, but please try to be more polite next time. My attitute to you was and is good, as you have to be very brainy to do your work.

Why do you want me to refrain? Isn't the article's talkpage a place for discussion? I don't think so. Anyway I am hoping we will contribute into Wikipedia being mates. It's possible I will reconsider and delete my personal comments (but please explain why does it bother you so much?) from the talkpage only if you stop to attack the article with biased reverts which even don't have any healthy explonation in accordance with Wikipedia rules. I can't explain you what am I trying to fix there, as I have no definite plan. I will just edit the article for pleasure in accordance with all wiki rules and you will see the changes. Hope next time I will meet you at some other article. Also I would be happy to meet other editors "trying to help me" with Naveen Jain's article editing, but I am not sure they need it. As Wikipedia has hundrends of projects to contribute. Hope you agree with me. Thank you, I know you are always ready to help!:) Have a good day:)Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 12:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

While I appreciate the response, I think it's inappropriate to continue like this. If you have to ask why you need to follow behavioral policy (but please explain why does it bother you so much?), and make your behavior conditional on imagined problems (only if you stop to attack the article with biased reverts which even don't have any healthy explonation in accordance with Wikipedia rules), then we need to get those problems resolved. --Ronz (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Ronz! Hope you are doing well:) Sorry you took such offense to my answer. I'll struck it out.

I remember you used harassment towards to me when I was a newcomer. I noticed you've deleted your threats towards to me from my talkpage. Thank you for it. We should make peace, no war. That's why I am trying to notice only positive sides of you. I am hoping you don't try to go like that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_Ban_a_POV_You_Dislike,_in_9_Easy_Steps. :) Ronz, please help to fix the article! We don't help Wikipedia speaking here like that. Sincerely, Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 14:15, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

I remember you used harassment towards to me when I was a newcomer.

I noticed you've deleted your threats towards to me from my talkpage.

I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. Making misleading or inaccurate accusations about another editor is inappropriate. It seems this is all very personal for you. Do you want to resolve these problems or not? --Ronz (talk) 15:57, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

My dear Ronz, thank you for your extra quick answer. Sometimes I can’t be quick the same way as I devote a lot of time to my work in real life. Please don’t force me to go deeper into Wikipedia rules to prove it really was harassment. I appreciate my time. Sorry, what problem are you talking about? I don’t have any. Once I read at some forum, that when one editor has COI he tries to use all possible methods to block the opponent editor. I do hope it was some misinformation. I think you don’t want to block me, right? You just want to help me as a wiki friendly editor. Anyway “Wikipedia is not a battle field”. Lidiia

Stop your long-lasting reverts, please start to build![2]

I demand you answer my questions. [3]

only if you stop to attack the article with biased reverts which even don't have any healthy explonation in accordance with Wikipedia rules

I remember you used harassment towards to me when I was a newcomer.

I noticed you've deleted your threats towards to me from my talkpage.

Once I read at some forum, that when one editor has COI he tries to use all possible methods to block the opponent editor. I do hope it was some misinformation.

Those are some of the problems. Do you want to discuss them? --Ronz (talk) 17:03, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia +

I'm going to get other editors to look over what you've been doing [4]

I think it's not polite to treat a newcomer like that, but again it's up to you.

garbage in, garbage out [5]

Also I'm not sure it's ok to call somebody's attempt to contribuse as a "garbage".

But even those are not a problem. Because I'm not going make my talkpage a battlefield, it's not my aim. Wikipedia is not a battlefield.

Answer please, do you want to discuss your problems or to contribute? I have no concern to your problem, sorry. What interest do you have to Naveen Jain's article that you take care of it for more than 5 years? I would be extremely happy to meet our further discusiion on the article's talkpage. My dear, I invite you back to the talkpage to have some discussion about fixing the article. I have some good ideas and propositions. Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 21:53, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I take it you haven't noticed Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#References_in_Brian_Dyson.

Addressing your concerns:

"If you continue, you may be blocked", is both factual and closely reviewed wording. It's not harassment, nor insulting, nor impolite in the context. It's about your behavior that's been well documented that you're not denying that I see. However, if you want to discuss it, we certainly can.

"I'm going to get other editors to look over what you've been doing". I'm afraid I don't see anything wrong with that. It's what's required to build strong consensus and resolve disputes. Again, if you want to discuss it...

"Garbage in, garbage out" I've already struck it out, apologized, and explained in more detail. Again, context matters. However, I am sorry that I was curt in response to the huge list of articles and the tally. It's not about you. It's about what you submitted for review on an article's talk page. I'm happy to go into further detail beyond what I've already done, but your response [6] is something that I've already noted is problematic, as has another editor. Again, if you want to discuss it...

If you don't want to make Wikipedia a battleground, then don't. --Ronz (talk) 16:31, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear Ronz, thank you for the explanation of your behavior. I am happy you're finally in good mood and have a desire to contribute together. I promise, next time I will bring you cookies.

Thanks for clearance about Brian Dyson's. You could be a good teacher. I will continue my work on the article and will fix the sources. How do you think, is there any way to change the article in order it doesn't remain a stub? Have a good day, Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 20:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Re [7] [8] [9]:I'm afraid we're at an impasse at this point. I suggest you work from edit requests. --Ronz (talk) 03:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, thanks for your message. I answered you on the article's talkpage. Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 16:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

If that's your answer, then I see no reason to respond further. --Ronz (talk) 00:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

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♦Omg, it's so offensive(( It all has no connection to me, because all my edits were done only for pleasure. I even can't understand what exactly could be payed for? I fixed dozens of BLP stubs and some IT companies' stubs, don't know anybody pays for it. Why did you post the accusation to my talkpage? With such a treatment nobody will have a desire to contribute to Wikipedia. Please think about it. All I received from you is mega frustrating :(( Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 21:26, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

First, you have been told more than once about threading comments on talk pages and you continue to not do it. This convention is as basic as "please" and "thank you" and has many of the same functions here about making interactions go smoothly. The longer you refuse to follow this convention the more you show other editors that you don't understand how to function in this community.

Please don't be offended; it is a question.

That said, along with editing about historical figures, you have edited about a range of contemporary figures in a way that is promotional and is similar to paid editors.

Paid editing has a place in Wikipedia, but people doing that have to be rigorous in disclosing and in some other ways. Some people editing for pay think they have to hide it, and sometimes disclose after they are informed that being here as a paid editor is allowed-- there are just some additional things you have to do and some things you should do and not do. Will you please reconsider your answer? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 21:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Almost all my messages contain "please" and "thank you") even my previous one has "please". Sorry if you think I should "thank you" for the accusations.

I am a graduate student in English and editing Wikipedia is not only fun, it allows me to use my skills in English. So please point out with references what was similar to paid editing.

Do you have any power to make such accusations? I mean does Wikipedia support it?

Jytdog, you make false accusations. This is a violation of Wikipedia and since you will not stop, I must report you. Thank you, Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

You are still not threading correctly. This is not a difficult thing to do. Put exactly one colon (:) at the beginning of your comment, if you are the first person replying. If you are replying to someone else, but one more colon in front of your comment than they put in front of theirs. You can see this very easily in the edit window. I have no idea what gave you the idea to use this "♦ " but it is not how we thread comments.

Thanks for again stating that you are not editing for pay. This remains difficult for me to believe, and so I will open a thread at COIN and the community can discuss this. Jytdog (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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Jytdog, you can do what you want. Later we will see is there any justice in Wikipedia or not. After your numerous accusations my interest towards to Naveen Jain's article is extremely high. I want to know the reason Ronz and you "take care" of the article for so long. No other article I edited has so many discussion on its talkpage, and doesn't have such an edits history with lots of reverts. It's obvious you try to keep Jain's article in such a state whatever it costs. Very interesting.... Thank you, Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 12:24, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

At the COIN board you will see that Ronz posted a list of prior conversations about the Jain article - there is a long history of paid and conflicted editors coming and trying to turn it into an advertisement for him. Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia is a significant problem that harms the integrity of WP (we even have an article on it - please read it). Your edits are very similar to those of other people who have come to WP to promote him. Jytdog (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog, I don't agree with the claims. Please see my answers there: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard.Thank you, Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I know you don't agree. This is my last response here -- please listen.

You are new editor, and your understanding of BLP and NPOV is not correct and your grasp of what high quality sources are, is also weak. It is unwise for you to dig in your heels this way against two more experienced editors, especially on a topic where we have a clear, documented history of undisclosed conflicted editing in the past.

If you continuing hammering at this, you are very, very likely to get topic banned, blocked, or both.

You would do better to let this go, and work on less contentious things, and improve your understanding of Wikipedia and how it works before returning to this topic. But you will do as you will. Of course. Jytdog (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog, thank you for your advices about my further activity. I will try to be better. Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 20:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, Theroadislong! :) Thank you for your message and your pleasant words! I understand why it was wrong. Next time I will redirect info to an article's section or create a necessary section as most editors do. Thank you again, you are very helpful! Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, Ronz! As I see nothing changes in our story. Could you please point out the Committee desicion, because I can't find it there myself. Would be really interesting to read it. Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 19:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

read the notice. carefully. It says in plain English The Committee's decision is here. What you wrote above is entirely fake and is the last straw for me. I am drafting a motion to have you indefinitely blocked from WP. Jytdog (talk) 19:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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