User talk:Kramerslaw

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Hello, Kramerslaw, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as AttorneyGrievances.com, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

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Speedy deletion nomination of AttorneyGrievances.com

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A tag has been placed on AttorneyGrievances.com, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
It appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), individual animal, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Editing with a conflict of interest

Hello, Kramerslaw. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the COI guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I read the conflict of interest rules, which is precisely why I disclosed my interest. I also avoided anything promotional at all. If you want to write it instead, you are welcome to do so. As I explained in my disclosure, I only created it because Facebook uses Wikipedia data to populate its content information links. Otherwise, I would not need it at all. Kramerslaw (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response to the question you raised at User talk:Legalnew‎#Why was this deleted?

Irwin, multiple anonymous editors (tracerouting to the Baltimore area) kept adding links. We asked them multiple times to stop (see the links above). They didn't. See our rules about this: Wikipedia:Spam.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2007 Archive Sep#clientelevision.com: lawyer links

That's your problem!

--- As for getting your article, The Legal Television Network, restored, see Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted?#Undeletion which refers you to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion (a.k.a., "WP:REFUND"). An administrator may ask you about the history of the article; you can refer them to

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Legal_Television_Network&action=edit&redlink=1

Ask the administrator to put it in "draft space' where you can work on it. Another editor should move it to our "article space" (a.k.a. "project space") when it meets all our rules. This is because you have a conflict of interest.

Absolutely do not use any promotional language - that's waving a red flag for someone to delete your draft as spam. I think some editors are a bit trigger-happy about this but it is what it is. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch.

You'll still have to meet our notability guidelines for the article to "stick". The references you provide will have to meet our reliable sources guideline which is pretty strict. In many cases, an article topic just can't meet these requirements. Most businesses, including some big companies, don't.

Abandon the Legalnew username; it doesn't meet our policy: Wikipedia:Username policy#Promotional usernames. This is a good idea anyway since that user name is a red flag for conflict of interest concerns. We only allow one editing account anyway.

Openly declare your conflict of interest (COI). See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#COI editing. Wikipedia editors in general are wary of COI editing and can get infuriated by hidden COI editing. They're all volunteers and they resent outsiders trying to hijack their many hours of unpaid work to promote some business. Some of these people have spent thousands of hours of volunteer time working on Wikipedia; they're very invested in its integrity.

These are a bunch of links and rules for you to read and absorb but ultimately they're what our editors have come up with to protect the site's integrity. They're sort of like other sites' terms of service. Just read those links, write a simple, straightforward, non-promotional draft and make sure you document with links your topic's notability per the guidelines above. Use Wikipedia:Help desk if you have questions.

You may be tempted to just hire a paid Wikipedia-editing service to do this and let them deal with all this. Such paid-editing is never accepted and will cause lots of problems for any future article. When we catch one of these groups, we go back and delete all the articles they've created in the past; sooner or later we catch most of them.

By now, you probably can see why AttorneyGrievances.com was also deleted. The specific reasons given were WP:G11 and WP:A7.

I hope this helps. In the future, please don't spam promotional articles or spam promotional links to our articles! --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 03:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You know, you don't need to be nasty about it. I understand your point without the edge to your comment. At the time I inserted the links, I believed that they were helpful in explaining the concepts to which they pertained and I was not all that familiar with the process, e.g., declaring COI, etc. I do appreciate the time that you and other volunteers put into the editing of this fascinating platform, which is why I contribute each year. I'm not tempted to get a paid service, especially as this is not a profitable venture for me and, like Wikipedia, always offered its content for free. I get your point on AttorneyGrievances.com, of course. Like you and your colleagues, I have spent thousands of hours creating valuable content and was just trying to get it out there. In any event, I appreciate your time. It is a shame though that Wikipedia doesn't have a platform for smaller content creators to link to other informational sites. Kramerslaw (talk) 04:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't intend to be nasty. I spent about 90 minutes putting together my reply. I was trying to be helpful; please go back and re-read my comments in that light. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 05:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I appreciate that. I’m just afraid of screwing this up again. Are there any reputable people who help with these things for a fee? 69.255.220.198 (talk) 13:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. Just work on a draft in draft space. If you get hassled, let me know or refer people to this conversation and ask them to contact me. It's not like I've got clout but it might help. —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 13:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]