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Closing of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music#Names (definite article)

Hi KrakatoaKatie. It looks like this was probably not a good close, and was a mistake. That's OK, this is a very big and fast-moving project and we all make mistakes, and I've certainly made plenty, and of course no one would cast aspersion on you on you as I'm sure you do many useful and needful things here and we appreciate that, and of course no one is perfect. There's no real problem provided we move quickly to undue the mistake and move forward. Does that seem OK to you?

Here's why it was a mistake:

1. Your interpretation of the passage cited in your close is probably a misreading, and more importantly is certainly arguably a misreading. The passage was written only to clarify that that particular decision applies only to the one band, to limit the scope of that decision, not to mandate case-by-case discussions for all cases in future.
2. Case-by-case discussions generally are inefficient use of resources, and requiring them for the indefinite future would probably not be a good use of time.
3. The default is that we are permitted, as a community, to discuss and decide these things.

The best person to retract the close would be you. Could you do this favor? This would be a great boon and I'd much appreciate it, thanks! (I've not read the above thread or the WP:AN thread or the other threads mentioned there -- these sort of things tend to divide people into "camps" so let's just ignore all that; and of course I understand it's not so easy to admit a mistake, but I have confidence in your abilities to rise above all that.) Thanking you again for your service, Herostratus (talk) 01:15, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

That's great, and a testament to your character. Thanks! Herostratus (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Admin's Barnstar
		Thanks for keeping the peace by reversing that close. Stfg (talk) 09:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, well done. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 11:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree! Thanks! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Santiago B. Villafania

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election

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Deepak Adhikari Dev

You had protected this against creation, without making a redirect to Dev (actor). I inadvertently moved another grossly incorrectly titled article here, before making the redirect to the correct title. So my redirect is now in place, Is there any reason why the redirect is not appropriate? If people have twice created pages under the wrong name, a redirect is the best way of preventing it, unless there's some actual objection. Pls let me know on my talk p. DGG ( talk ) 15:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

article review request

Dear Katie! I have created the user page vendrediv/terzides before adding the article to wikipedia as you suggested me. Could you pleeeease review it? Please let me know if i have to do any changes or additions. Your help is greatly appreciated! Best, Evi (Vendrediv (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC))

Hello

Hi Katie

I saw you are online and i realy need some help quick from a professional. would you pls so kind to have 5 minutes for me? thank youAdniim- (talk) 06:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 September newsletter

In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. Cwmhiraeth (submissions) currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. Sasata (submissions), Hawkeye7 (submissions)—who has never participated in the competition before—and Casliber (submissions) follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

The did you know (DYK) eligibility criteria have recently changed, meaning that newly passed good articles are accepted as "new" for did you know purposes. However, in the interests of not changing the WikiCup rules mid-competition, please note that only articles eligible for DYK under the old system (that is, newly created articles or 5x expansions) will be eligible for points in this year's WikiCup. We do, however, have time to discuss how this new system will work for next year's competition; a discussion will be opened in due course. On that note, thoughts are welcome on changes you'd like to see for next year. What worked? What didn't work? What would you like to see more of? What would you like to see less of? All Wikipedians, new or old, are also warmly invited to sign up for the 2014 WikiCup.

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Please comment on Talk:Stana Katic

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Please comment on Talk:Aaron Swartz

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Thanks

Just wanted to say thanks for closing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Template editor user right. Everyone else seemed to be already involved or skittish about it, so you saved us by stepping up :) equazcion� 18:54, 17 Oct 2013 (UTC)

No problem - I was happy to help out, because I could tell I was just about the only active admin who didn't have a dog in the fight. I'm glad consensus was clear, but I'm really glad that I'm not going to have to copy/paste those edit requests to protected templates anymore. I know a little bit about the template syntax - enough to be very dangerous - but not nearly enough to understand some of those requests.

It's good to see the new user right coming together so quickly - congratulations on becoming one of the first! If I can help out in any way, just let me know. :-) KrakatoaKatie 18:50, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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I need your advice

Hi Katie:

Is this where I can ask for your advice on Wikipedia rules? Thanks... Worldedixor (talk) 11:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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Rodolfootoya12 Talk page block

Hey, thanks for adding the page protection per my request. I'm wondering if there's any way to delete/redact the two recent edits he made on that account. My rationale is that if he is setting up for another vandal attack, he should be dissuaded from accessing his setup materials. If that's not a reasonable request, of if it's beyond the scope of your interest, I can understand. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

He's not a banned editor, so it doesn't fall within the revdel parameters. I'd just revert him; it's not like he can get into an edit war over it. :-D KrakatoaKatie 04:12, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Okiedokes! Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Template_talk:Bullying#RfC:_Template_links

You are invited to join the discussion at Template_talk:Bullying#RfC:_Template_links. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Can I ask why you protected the article about Trap Music? I am from the UK and attempted to give greater clarity on the recent origins of Trap Music in the US. Which while being cited as the 'new dubstep' actually is the cross-fertilisation of Crunk and a UK rap genre called Grime. Grime itself is the Rap based progenitor of Dubstep. The debates about Trap's origins mirror the debates about Brostep and other American efforts at rebadging Dubstep.

I pointed Static to articles interviewing RL Grime who is cited in the Trap Music article as major producer, who stated that the UK bass scene was a key influence on his music. Additionally under Dubstep, Trap is cited a sub genre, so I fail to see why Stylistic origins of Trap cannot be given to Dubstep and Grime. Particularly when you bear in mind, both genres are a full decade older! Please see my edits and recent posts on both Static's Talk and Trap Music's Talk pages.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.178.88.82 (talk) 08:51, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with original research the producers of Trap Music have cited UK bass scenes as an influence. Although Trap isnt cited in the article, RL Grime is trap producer so we are talking semantics. It is akin to referring to Bob Lutz in relation to the car industry and merely saying that in a cited article he doesn't specifically talk about car production. This seems like a deliberate attempt at obfuscation...

Could you also please define what would make a acceptable resource?? As a n interview with a major Trap Music producer who doesn't cite his genre in the interview does not appear to be enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.178.88.82 (talk) 09:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I will be logging in with my account later today to cite the following article from the LA times, which cites the link between Dubstep and Trap Music. http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/10/trap_music_edm_uz_baauer_ugk.php?page=2

This publication was founded in 1978 and therefore you cannot cite it as an unestablished reference. I will readily admit as administrator your responses to the points I have raised have been disappointing. Either way I now have a source which backs up the established view that recent developments in Trap music make it a sub genre of Dubstep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.178.88.82 (talk) 11:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Cuba

Thank you for configuring "Pending Changes" for Cuba. Mercy11 (talk) 13:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Cinco de Mayo

Just stopped by to say Wonderful!!! - we needed that! Thanks!! Mercy11 (talk) 19:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Dear Sir Madam,

Having read the Francis Bacon article I wanted to correct British description my comments are below -which you deleted from the talk page , I thought I would have an orderly discussion and not an outright deletion -there is nothing in what I have written that is not true. Please see Pablo Picasso's page he was born in Spain and lived the great majority of his life in France he has never been described as French, similar to Bacon- I think wikipedia should reflect facts and not opinion.

On the issue of the description of Bacon as "Irish born, British figurative painter" this has been a subject of dispute among a number of user/editors of Wikipedia, clearly the talk page requests users to be objective and report Facts supported by evidence in adhering to this principle the description "Irish born" is entirely appropriate back up by historical evidence of the Irish National census of 1911 (please see link http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002575018/) .There is clearly a bias against describing Bacon as Irish as his nationality and forcefully purporting him to be a "British painter" due to his parents nationality they are described as "English" yes his mother was born in England but his father was born in Australia -as can be seen again the census 1911 enumerators abstract. In reporting these facts I would request the Lede be changed to reflect facts "Francis Bacon was born in Dublin, Ireland in 1909" etc, and delete the British description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseoffergeld (talk • contribs) 01:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Possibility of Future RfA

Hi there, I noticed at WP:RRN that you are prepared to consider nominating users for adminship. While I am not yet considering this, it would be something I would look at in the not to distant future (perhaps in the new year) and I was wondering, if you have the time, if you could give me some feedback regarding how close to this I am. Also, I recieved a block on my first day for edit warring - mainly due to a lack of understanding of policy. I have since learned from this and haven't been blocked since but I was wondering if you think this would effect my chances of becoming an admin, even if I openly declared it on my RfA when the time comes.

Thanks, Oddbodz (talk) 22:10, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2013 October newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is Cwmhiraeth (submissions). Our final nine were as follows:

1. Cwmhiraeth (submissions)
2. Hawkeye7 (submissions)
3. Sasata (submissions)
4. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions)
5. Casliber (submissions)
6. Adam Cuerden (submissions)
7. Miyagawa (submissions)
8. Piotrus (submissions)
9. Ealdgyth (submissions)

All those who reached the final win prizes, and prizes will also be going to the following participants:

• Casliber (submissions) wins the FA prize, for four featured articles in round 4, worth 400 points.
• Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) wins the GA prize, for 20 good articles in round 3, worth 600 points.
• Another Believer (submissions) wins the FL prize, for four featured lists in round 2, worth 180 points.
• Adam Cuerden (submissions) wins the FP prize, for 23 featured pictures in round 5, worth 805 point.
• Sven Manguard (submissions) wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
• Hawkeye7 (submissions) wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
• Cwmhiraeth (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
• ThaddeusB (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
• Ed! (submissions) wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
• The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to The C of E (submissions), for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
• Finally, the judges are awarding Cwmhiraeth (submissions) the Geography Barnstar for her work on sea, now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.

Prizes will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!

Congratulations to everyone who has been successful in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and a particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have achieved this year. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition. While it has been an excellent year, errors have opened up the judges' eyes to the need for a third judge, and it is with pleasure that we announce that experienced WikiCup participant Miyagawa will be acting as a judge from now on. We hope you will all join us in welcoming him to the team.

Next year's competition begins on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; it is open to all Wikipedians, new and old. Brainstorming and discussion remains open for how next year's competition will work, and straw polls will be opened by the judges soon. Those interested in friendly competition may also like to keep an eye on the stub contest, being organised by Casliber. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2014 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 00:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Closure of Category:Chefs by location

Hi Katie, I noticed that you closed Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_July_27#Category:Chefs_by_location as "delete" rather than "delete all". This left the sub-cats orphaned.

I started to write you a long note, then I started making a fresh CfD nomination to upmerge the sub-cats to the national categories of chefs, but then decided simply to implement the latter, and to add this action to the closure as a second line under my own name.

This is a non-standard approach, being a bit bold under WP:IAR, and I hope you will not be offended.

If you are content with my action, it would be neat if you wanted to incorporate it into your own closure under your own name. Kind regards – Fayenatic London 18:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

This deletion and recategorization broke some already shaky category hierarchies that will probably take some work to fix. See what happened here[1] and in similar places. The fact that this particular individual is a well known local personality and businessperson from San Francisco, California earlier got down-categorized by one helpful editor into the subcategory Chefs from San Francisco, California, and then upcategorized not there but American Chefs, where it became a duplicate. He's not really an American Chef, he's a French Chef (by origin and cuisine; in similar cases but not this one by nationality too). In fact, in a spot check almost all of these articles were already categorized by the nationality of the chef so the recategorization usually created a duplicate, and then eliminated regional information. Anyway, I went ahead and fixed this by hand with respect to SF chefs. Wikipedia has a category mess created by the overlapping questions of locale, cuisine, and nationality of chefs — 3 different issues, and upcategorizing them in one way that doesn't recognize the other two can confuse things further. Thanks, - Wikidemon (talk) 19:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, good grief, guys - I'm sorry. Yes, I meant 'delete all', and yes, I agree the chef cats are a mess. I hadn't closed a CFD in ages, and the process had changed, and I guess I was more focused on the closing process with the bots, doing that correctly, than I was closing the discussion itself and formatting that correctly. Ugh.

Faye, I will go amend it in my own name, eventually, though I doubt anybody cares. (Excellent mind-reading, BTW. We should have a mind-reading barnstar. If we did, I'd give it to you.)

Wikidemon, I have a feeling that the foodies among us will fix the categories for the chefs by themselves. I knew the mess was coming because of the content of the discussion, but as we agree, it's an unholy mess anyway. I hate to shrug my shoulders like this, but I'm not one of the foodies among us and I have no clue if a chef who cooks in Atlanta is from Georgia or Georgia (or somewhere else entirely). I'll take the heat for it from any irate celebrity chef fans. Thanks for letting me know and I shall enlist the help of one or both of you before flexing my CFD muscles again. KrakatoaKatie 04:16, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah, sorry Wikidemon, I hate it when category merges lose info about valid parents; I'd only checked a few before coming up with the merge to national chefs categories. I'll fix these, starting from the bottom of these changes and will meet you half way up. – Fayenatic London 09:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done – Fayenatic London 10:20, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Disambiguation link fixing one-day contest

I have decided to put on a mini-contest within the November 2013 monthly disambiguation contest, on Saturday, November 23 (UTC). I will personally give a $20 Amazon.com gift card to the disambiguator who fixes the most links on that server-day (see the project page for details on scoring points). Since we are not geared up to do an automated count for that day, at 00:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC) (which is 7:00 PM on November 22, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the project page leaderboard. I will presume that anyone who is not already listed on the leaderboard has precisely nine edits. At 01:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC) (8:00 PM on November 23, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the leaderboard at that time (the extra hour is to give the board time to update), and I will determine from that who our winner is. I will credit links fixed by turning a WP:DABCONCEPT page into an article, but you'll have to let me know me that you did so. Here's to a fun contest. Note that according to the Daily Disambig, we currently have under 256,000 disambiguation links to be fixed. If everyone in the disambiguation link fixers category were to fix 500 links, we would have them all done - so aim high! Cheers! bd2412 T 02:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi...right after I requested the page protection on the Franklin child abuse allegations, the IP that has been violating BLP added back the BLP violations without concensus [2]...can we get that reverted?--MONGO 22:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I support Mongo's request. This edit[3] has blp problems because it suggests named individuals lied under oath. The reference provided might be adequete under other circumstances, but given the nature of the accusations and the element of innuendo about yet another person, it's not enough here. Might that be deleted, and the edit summary removed? Tom Harrison ^Talk 22:28, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

In addition to the edit request, I listed it at the BLP noticeboard. It's a clear BLP violation and is still in the article despite both BLP and consensus issues. --DHeyward (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

FYI, BLP noticeboard completed the BLP edit so followup not required unless there were other requests. --DHeyward (talk) 02:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Question

I would like to know if you think I am ready for a WP:RfA nomination. And if not work with me to help me to become a more likely candidate. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 09:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the swift reply, I will keep all you said in consideration. And I would be happy to accept the rights if you fell that I am ready for those. And just letting you know I do have my page on auto archiving. But I just chnaged how often to do it so it will happen more often. As generally I don't get that many messages on my talk page. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 19:46, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Have a great week. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 14:26, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

UTRS Account Request

I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. KrakatoaKatie

I've activated your account, thank you for volunteering.--v/r - TP 15:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on an RfC about Living members of deposed royal families and the titles attributed to them on WP

Hello - I have opened an RfC about suggested guidelines in the Manual of Style for articles about living members of families whose ancestors were deposed as monarchs of various countries and the titles and "styles" attributed to these living people, at the moment often in a misleading and inaccurate way in my opinion. Please join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies "Use of royal "Titles and styles" and honorific prefixes in articles and templates referring to pretenders to abolished royal titles and their families"[4]Regards,Smeat75 (talk) 05:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)