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Your submission at Articles for creation: European Technology Roundtable Exhibition (February 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Star Mississippi was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Sourcing is primary. Notable attendees doesn't mean the conference was, and there's no external sourcing.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Star Mississippi 14:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Karpour! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Star Mississippi 14:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

paid editing

Hello Karpour. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Karpour. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Karpour|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Theroadislong (talk) 19:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Theroadislong. I can assure you that I have no affiliation with ETRE.

I run a project for the Internet Archive to properly archive episodes of the television show Computer Chronicles. See https://computerchronicles.karpour.net/

As a result of this, I needed to do research on several conferences covered on the show, including COMDEX and ETRE. Since I already gathered a lot of information already, I decided to contribute them to Wikipedia. Since ETRE did not have a page yet, I decided to create one.

Can I please ask what about the ETRE page made the impression that it was a paid article? I went with all sources that I could find, which is few. Due to the nature of the conference, I felt it was significant enough to be included in Wikipedia (This is also based on the coverage I watched on the Computer Chronicles). Karpour (talk) 19:48, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The impression of paid editing was given by your keenness to get the draft published with such paucity of sources. Theroadislong (talk) 20:02, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May I say that people are doing a great job at discouraging me from contributing? I'm open for discussion and finding ways to properly source the article. I stated the situation regarding sources, but received no constructive feedback on how this could be improved, but rather accusations of being paid for writing the article. Karpour (talk) 20:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If sources don't exist, a topic isn't notable. If you find sufficient independent sourcing there can be an article. If not, there is no article. Star Mississippi 00:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: European Technology Roundtable Exhibition (October 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

You appear to have a basic misunderstanding of referencing. The references have to be about ETRE, not by it, not announcements. Scanned correspondence is useless to you here.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:European Technology Roundtable Exhibition and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TimTrent,

I would live some assistance with this article, so far all that happened is people accusing me of being a paid editor for a conference that ceased to exist 2 decades ago.

Considering the influence this conference had on computer history, it is justified to have an article, however finding online references is hard. Please note that the source "correspondence" contains various source materials thay have been compiles by the computer history museum into one big pdf. The name of the document just makes it seem otherwise.

While I would love to add more sources, every point in this very basic article is supported by references. Karpour (talk) 09:09, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are two sources of useful help. WP:TEAHOUSE and WP:AFCHD. One or the other should be used. The chosen source of help should be exhausted before trying the other. I regret that I am unable to offer physical help, though I am able to offer advice.

First, the question about paid editing. Every editor may receive this question. Once answered it is answered and is in the past. I suggest you ignore it now you have answered it. Were you a paid editor you woudlhave to follow a stricter set of rules, and that is all.

Odd. I worked in the IT industry from 1979 to 2008 in sales and in marketing roles for large corporations in the European and UK regions. I have never heard of ETRE. But that is immaterial. It suggests to me, though, that this is a low profile exhibition, as does the lack of available references. These do not have to be online. Obviously it is easier for a reviewer to validate online references.

We come back to the issue that a lack of sources (passing WP:42) indicates that there is currently no likelihood of a draft being accepted. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:06, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:European Technology Roundtable Exhibition

Hello, Karpour. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:European Technology Roundtable Exhibition, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 08:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:European Technology Roundtable Exhibition

Hello, Karpour. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "European Technology Roundtable Exhibition".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]