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Red Lodge Wiki Page

Hi John, I do disagree with your assumption that the information was inappropriate for an encyclopedia. The links were to a website that is dedicated to Red Lodge information and includes an updated calendar of events as well as information about town and surrounding area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim.weamer (talk • contribs) 05:18, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Aloha High School Wiki Page

Hi John, Very sorry for the curt response I gave and the breach of protocol in reverting back instead of contacting you about the initial reversion first - I am new to this process. I am trying to understand the standards for inclusion in the Notable Alumni section since, for example Jen-Hsun Huang's wiki page claims he attended but offers no citation to back it up. Can you help me figure this out? ThanksRsbikel (talk) 03:28, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

There is referenced content in his Wikilinked bio to his attendence at Aloha. That negates the need for a reference at the Aloha article. In order to be included in any notable list, either at a settlement article or at a school article, the person included must be:
  1. Notable. This is best shown by the existence of a wikipedia bio (since all notable means in Wikipedia-speak is "qualifies for an article"). Absent that, the person still can be included if you can show multiple reliably sources, independent sources to prove that he meets the notability qualifications for a person found at WP:BIO.
  2. Must have a reliably sourced reference showing his connection to the school or settlement either in his entry in the notable list or in his linked bio. Any entries that are red-linked (ie, without articles) must have that source in the list along with sources showing notability.
Hope this clears things up for you. John from Idegon (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hillsboro, Alabama

I added Rudolph M. Clay back to the Hillsboro, Alabama page. This time I've added a reference. Sorry for leaving that out the first time. Some of the references on his page say that he was born near Decatur, Alabama. Hillsboro is ten minutes from Decatur. Let me know if I need to clarify anything. Thanks!Dofftoubab (talk) 05:01, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I also renamed the category on Town Creek, Alabama to "notable people", and readded Donovan Hand. The first reference on his page, baseballalmanac.com, lists him as having attended Hatton High School in Town Creek. Multiple other pages list people who graduated from a high school in their city, especially if their hometown is a smaller community that doesn't have a Wiki article. Again, if I need to do something different, just let me know. Thanks again! Dofftoubab (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Roy Ngerng

Hi John, please understand that I've requested permission from Roy Ngerng to add his photograph and information to his education onto the Wikipedia page. However it was on his resume, which includes his private info such as home address, telephone numbers, identification number etc. I will be getting myself into trouble if I shared his resume on the Wikipedia page. Thanks.

LegendaryRifle (talk) 04:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

User:Jamesatcatan

The user's micronation has nothing to do with the board game as far as he says on my userpage.--v/r - TP 00:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

How can this be anything but a WP:CIR issue? I don't remember who said it, but someone other than me did: "No man is a nation unto himself." John from Idegon (talk) 02:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not saying your argument about RS's is wrong, I'm saying the foundation of your argument is based in the wrong thing. Right place, wrong reason.--v/r - TP 05:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Fort Hunt High School page

Hi John,

I am a brand new (very green) Wiki-editor, trying to learn how to cite my sources. I was still in the middle of my edits when you removed my additions to our "Notable Alumni" section. I don't know where to find the archived version you mention. I'm very frustrated and feel like I just wasted an entire morning, thank you very much. Perhaps you could offer assistance instead of destroying my efforts to contribute? Is it even worth my time to try to fix my entry? Talers (talk) 14:49, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Talers:, John, I've reverted your edit because it's very discouraging to new editors and especially bitey to revert because they somehow they break a guideline or rule. That's alright, let them, they're still learning. I invite you to lend your 'helping hand' listed at the top of this talk page to this new editor. I think that they have very good ideals and intentions. Tutelary (talk) 15:02, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
@Tutelary:, Thank you, Tutelary. I am currently working to cite appropriate references. I'm not a techno-geek, but I'm fairly internet savvy and learn pretty quickly when I have the time to dedicate. I do think there is a big learning curve for Wikipedia editing... Talers (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
@Talers:, I'd recommend that you see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners for more information on references and how to cite them. Tutelary (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
@Tutelary:, Again, thank you so much! I will visit that link now. Talers (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't the article NOS Marine Forensics Program deleted yet?

The article NOS Marine Forensics Program was put up for speedy deletion by you on 25 April 2014. I'm new to Wikipedia, so tell me if I'm wrong, but I think that it should have been deleted, or there should have been discussion about it, since then. No one seems to be taking action, so I'd like to. I put up Template:Db-g12/doc on the page NOS Marine Forensics Program and put a notice on User:Sint Maarten's talk page. Anything else I should do? Thx for listening. Ventus Castellum (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sint_Maarten#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_NOS_Marine_Forensics_Program

Color me baffled. I'll contact an admin. John from Idegon (talk) 03:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Kell High School

I am greatly confused as to why you keep undoing the edits I make to Carlton J. Kell High School. As an alumni of the school I feel it is unjust to not have a history section for the school. Please refrain from reverting my edits from now on, as it is not your place. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Someguywhat (talk • contribs) 19:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Firstly, you need to realize that the page in question is not "the school's Wikipedia page". It is instead "Wikipedia's page on the school". It in no way belongs to the school or its students or alumni and any Wikipedia editor has just as much right to edit as any other. That includes both you and I. That leads me to the other two issues.
Most importantly, you have essentially copied word for word the school's website page on its history. That is a violation of copyright law. Wikipedia is a non-profit organization that runs entirely on donations. Getting sued would be a significant issue for them so they take copyright issues seriously. You are more than welcome, indeed encouraged to actually write something for a history section. You are welcome to draw information form the school's website and reference that. You must however, write it in your own words.
That brings me to the final issue. This at least isn't a legal problem. There are guidelines for content for school articles. You will find them at WP:SCH/AG. One thing we do not write about is staff or students by name, past or present. The only exception would be a historic listing of all the principals or if there are any staff or students that would meet Wikipedia's standard for inclusion for a biographical article. That standard would be found at WP:BIO. (Just as an FYI, we call the standard for inclusion notability.) So, even if it weren't copied from the school's website, what you have been trying to put in really isn't particularly constructive. One sentence saying that whatever it was that was named after the coach exists is all that is needed. example: "The Foo Gym was built in 1973, named after long-time basketball coach George Foo.(reference goes here after the period)"
I am more than happy to help you learn how to do this correctly, but you need to know that doing things the way you have is not going to work. When you add something and someone else removes it, and gives a reason for doing so, it is never proper to just put it back. See WP:BRD. The proper procedure to follow would be to start a discussion on the article's talk page, stating your reasons for wanting the addition, with arguements based on references and policy. I will leave you some links that may enable you to learn more about Wikipedia on your talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you from BuzyBody

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to leave me a barn star. It is much appreciated. :) --BuzyBody (talk) 16:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you from Gwolf

John,

Thanks for the editing advice and reminders. I'm glad you let me know what was wrong about my post. I would love to continue editing on Wikipedia, but I would hate to add information in violation to Wikipedia's regulations. Would you mind if I gave you a copy of future edits I would like to make, so you can approve them before I post? I know you are probably busy editing a lot of pages all the time, but it would really help me out.

Thanks, Gwolf12321 (talk) 22:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not have the time to pre-review your edits. Please read the info I gave you on your talk page and then just go ahead and be bold and make your edits. If they are problematic, they will be copyedited or reverted. If they are not, then you know you are on the right track. Reverts and copyedits are just part of the way things get done here. If you think anything was changed unjustly, you are more than welcome to start a discussion on tha article's talk page, per WP:BRD. If you want to make edits to (what I assume is) your school's article, might I suggest taking a look at some other school's articles and mirroring their style with your info? Simple things do not really have to be referenced. Like if you wanted to add a section about the chorus, the names of the choruses would be perfectly appropriate, and would fly without a reference. You could also add which of them are "tryout" type groups and which are open membership. The name(s) of the associations sanctioning the events they participate in would be good info, but that should probably be referenced to some sort of membership directory the association maintains. We will not talk about students or teachers...that info is not relevent to anyone but people at the school. The criteria for qualification would equally be of solely local interst. And accomplishments need to be of the highest level. In the US, that is defined as state or national championships. Note that means the sole (or tied for) winner; not first division. Hope this helps! Feel free to come back. I will see if you make any changes to the page...it is on my watchlist. Thanks for your interest. John from Idegon (talk) 22:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
John, You have a real gift. I appreciate you! Daniellagreen (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I sent some time reading the disputes on the administrative notice board today, and came across your name in helping to wrap one up. I'm glad you're so invested in doing positive things for Wikipedia. We need more people like you. Thank you, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 23:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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