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GOCE newsletter

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Elections are currently underway for our third tranche of Guild coordinators. The voting period will run for 14 days: 00:01 UTC, 16 December – 23:59 UTC, 31 December. All GOCE members, as well as past participants of any of the Guild's Backlog elimination drives, are eligible to vote. There are five candidates vying for four positions. Your vote really matters! Cast your vote today.

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GOCE 2011 Year-End Report

Guild of Copy Editors 2011 Year-End Report We have reached the end of the year, and what a year it has been! The Guild of Copy Editors was full of activity, and we achieved numerous important milestones in 2011. Read all about these in the Guild's 2011 Year-End Report. Highlights Membership grows to 764 editors, an increase of 261 Report on coordinators' elections Around 1,000 articles removed through six Backlog elimination drives Guild Plans for 2012 Requests page report Sign up for the January 2012 Backlog elimination drive! Get your copy of the Guild's 2011 Year-End Report here On behalf of the Guild, we take this opportunity to wish you Season's Greetings and Happy New Year. We look forward to your support in 2012! – Your 2011 Coordinators: Diannaa (lead), The Utahraptor, and Slon02 and SMasters (emeritus).

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GOCE March copy edit drive

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GOCE March drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 backlog elimination drive update GOCE March 2012 Backlog Elimination progress graphs Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 Backlog elimination drive! Here's the mid-drive newsletter. Participation: We have had 58 people sign up for this drive so far, which compares favorably with our last drive, and 27 have copy-edited at least one article. If you have signed up but have not yet copy-edited any articles, please consider doing so. Every bit helps! If you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Join us! Progress report: Our target of completing the 2010 articles has almost been reached, with only 56 remaining of the 194 we had at the start of the drive. The last ones are always the most difficult, so thank you if you are able to help copy-edit any of the remaining articles. We have reduced the total backlog by 163 articles so far. Special thanks: Special thanks to Stfg, who has been going through the backlog and doing some preliminary vetting of the articles—removing copyright violations, doing initial clean-up, and nominating some for deletion. This work has helped make the drive a more pleasant experience for all our volunteers. Your drive coordinators – Dianna (talk), Stfg (talk), and Dank (talk) To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

Speedy deletion nomination of Jerryobject/Userboxes/Bowie

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GOCE March drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 backlog elimination drive GOCE March 2012 Backlog Elimination progress graph Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 Backlog elimination drive! This is the most successful drive we have had for quite a while. Here is your end-of-drive wrap-up newsletter. Participation Of the 70 people who signed up for this drive, 40 copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Special acknowledgement goes out to Lfstevens, who did over 200 articles, most of them in the last third of the drive, and topped all three leaderboard categories. You're a superstar! Stfg and others have been pre-checking the articles for quality and conformance to Wikipedia guidelines; some have been nominated for deletion or had some preliminary clean-up done to help make the copy-edit process more fun and appealing. Thanks to all who helped get those nasty last few articles out of the target months. Progress report During this drive we were successful in eliminating our target months—October, November, and December 2010—from the queue, and have now eliminated all the 2010 articles from our list. We were able to complete 500 articles this month! End-of-drive results and barnstar information can be found here. When working on the backlog, please keep in mind that there are options other than copy-editing available; some articles may be candidates for deletion, or may not be suitable for copy-editing at this time for other reasons. The {{GOCEreviewed}} tag can be placed on any article you find to be totally uneditable, and you can nominate for deletion any that you discover to be copyright violations or completely unintelligible. If you need help deciding what to do, please contact any of the coordinators. Thank you for participating in the March 2012 drive! All contributions are appreciated. Our next copy-edit drive will be in May. Your drive coordinators – Dianna (Talk), Stfg (Talk), and Dank (talk) To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. EdwardsBot (talk) 22:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May copy edit drive

Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in their May 2012 Backlog elimination drive, a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy edit backlog. The drive begins on May 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on May 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goal for the drive will be to eliminate January, February, and March 2011 from the queue. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copy edits more than 4,000 words, and special awards will be given to the top 5 in the following categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words". We hope to see you there! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa, and Stfg. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. EdwardsBot (talk) 18:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors May 2012 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter Participation: Out of 49 people signed up for this drive so far, 26 have copy-edited at least one article. It's a smaller group than last drive, but we're making good progress. If you've signed up but haven't yet copy-edited any articles, please consider doing so. Every bit helps! If you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Join us! Progress report: We're on track to meet our targets for the drive, largely due to the efforts of Lfstevens and the others on the leaderboard. Thanks to all. We have reduced our target group of articles—January, February, and March 2011—by over half, and it looks like we will achieve that goal. Good progress is being made on the overall backlog as well, with over 500 articles copy-edited during the drive so far. The total backlog currently sits at around 3200 articles. Hall of Fame: GOCE coordinator Diannaa was awarded a spot in the GOCE Hall of Fame this month! She has copy-edited over 1567 articles during these drives, and surpassed the 1,000,000-word mark on May 5. On to the second million! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa and Stfg >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 14:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors May 2012 backlog elimination drive wrap-up Participation: Out of 54 people who signed up this drive, 32 copy-edited at least one article. Last drive's superstar, Lfstevens, again stood out, topping the leader board in all three categories and copy-editing over 700 articles. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Progress report: We were once again successful in our primary goal—removing the oldest three months from the backlog—while removing 1166 articles from the queue, the second-most in our history. The total backlog currently sits at around 2600 articles, down from 8323 when we started out just over two years ago. Coodinator election: The six-month term for our third tranche of Guild coordinators will be expiring at the end of June. We will be accepting nominations for the fourth tranche of coordinators, who will also serve a six-month term. Nominations will open starting on June 5. For complete information, please have a look at the election page. – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa, and Stfg To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive

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GOCE July 2012 mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors July 2012 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter Participation: Out of 37 people signed up for this drive so far, 25 have copy-edited at least one article. It's a smaller group than last drive, but we're making good progress. If you've signed up but haven't yet copy-edited any articles, every bit helps; if you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Join us! Progress report: We're almost on track to meet our targets for the drive. Great work, guys. We have reduced our target group of articles—May, June, and July 2011—by about 40%, and the overall backlog has been reduced by 264 articles so far, to around 2500 articles. Copy Edit of the Month: Starting in August, your best copy-editing work of the month will be eligible for fabulous prizes! See here for details. – Your drive coordinators: Stfg, Allens, and Torchiest. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 16:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Category:User asm-4

Please note that I have corrected the terminology in Category:User asm-4 to correctly reflect the formal name of assembly language. Assembly is not a grammatically correct alternative to assembly language. Assembly is a process, whereas assembly language is what is being processed by the assembler. Bigdumbdinosaur (talk) 21:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

GOCE July drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors July 2012 backlog elimination drive wrap-up Participation: Out of 45 people who signed up this drive, 31 have copy-edited at least one article. Lfstevens continues to carry most of the weight, having edited 360 articles and over a quarter of a million words already. Thanks to all who have participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, will be available early in August here. Progress report: We are once again very close to achieving in our primary goal—removing the oldest three months from the backlog. Only 35 such articles remain at press time. The total backlog currently sits at under 2400 articles, down from 8323 when we started out over two years ago. We are just two articles away from completing all requests made before July 2012 (both are in progress). Copy Edit of the Month: Starting in August, you'll be able to submit your best copy-editing work for palaver, praise, and prizes. See here for details. – Your drive coordinators: Stfg, Allens, and Torchiest. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 00:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

GOCE news and September drive invitation

Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in its events: The August 2012 Copy Edit of the Month Contest is currently in the submissions stage. Submit your best August copy edit there before the end of the month. Submissions end, and discussion and voting begin, on September 1 at 00:00 (UTC). September 2012 Backlog elimination drive is a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy edit backlog. The drive begins on September 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on September 30 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goals are to copy edit the articles tagged longest ago and to complete all requests placed before the end of August. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copy edits at least one article, and special awards will be given to the top six in the following categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", "Number of articles of over 5,000 words", "Number of articles tagged longest ago", and "Longest article". This drive features a much easier signup process. We hope to see you there! – Your drive coordinators: Stfg, Allens, and Torchiest. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 18:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

GOCE September activities

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GOCE mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2012 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter Participation: Out of 37 people signed up for this drive so far, 19 have copy-edited at least one article, about the same as the last drive. If you've signed up but haven't yet copy-edited any articles, every bit helps; if you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Join us! Progress report: We're almost on track to meet our targets for the drive. Great work, guys. We have reduced our target group of articles—August, September, and October 2011—by about 44%, and the overall backlog has been reduced by 58 articles so far, to around 2600 articles. The biggest difference between this drive and the previous one is a stronger focus on large articles, so total word counts are still comparable. Don't forget about the Copy Edit of the Month contests! Voting for the August contest has been extended through the end of the month. You don't have to make a submission to vote! August 2012 Copy Edit of the Month Contest is in the discussion and voting stage until midnight September 30 (UTC). September 2012 Copy Edit of the Month Contest is in the submissions stage until midnight September 30 (UTC), when discussion and voting begin. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 22:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

GOCE September 2012 drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors September 2012 backlog elimination drive wrap-up Participation: Out of 41 people who signed up this drive, 28 copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Progress report: We achieved our primary goal of clearing July, August, September and October 2011 from the backlog. This means that, for the first time since the drives began, the backlog is less than a year. At least 677 tagged articles were copy edited, although 365 new ones were added during the month. The total backlog at the end of the month was 2341 articles, down from 8323 when we started out over two years ago. We completed all 54 requests outstanding before September 2012 as well as eight of those made in September. Copy Edit of the Month: Voting is now over for the August 2012 competition, and prizes will be issued soon. The September 2012 contest is closed for submissions and open for voting. The October 2012 contest is now open for submissions. Everyone is welcome to submit entries and to vote. – Your drive coordinators: Stfg, Allens, and Torchiest. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Nowrap template

Please stop replacing nowrap template with non-breaking spaces in Comparison of tablet computers. There are two main reason why nowrap is used instead of nbsp:

• It is easy to understand what it represents and makes text more readable
• Robots and dumb people keep removing non-breaking space and hyphen characters all the time

Hakimio (talk) 19:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Interesting idea. I had not considered these aspects of the issue before. I shall make this a part of my practice. Is it included anywhere in the Style Manual? Thank you. Jerryobject (talk) 05:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Brevity

Brevity is not always the soul of wit - see this discussion. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

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Aarrgggghh! Its been years since I did that. Got it. Thank you DPL bot. Jerryobject (talk) 23:48, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

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Template:English dialects by continent

Hi, Jerryobject. I was wondering why you felt a comma was better than a slash in giving two side-by-side alternative names for the same dialect on Template:English dialects by continent. Thanks. Wolfdog (talk) 01:17, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Good day Wolfdog. When you read my edit note to that template, did you see the link embedded in it, pointing to the part of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style governing use of WP:SLASHes? That should answer your question in as much detail as you need. After studying that material, if you have any more questions, please post them here, and I will do my best to try to explain further.

Regarding your editor handle, I like the way you worked to achieve higher canine generality, and arrange matters in correct temporal order. ;-)

Thanks. Have a productive day. Jerryobject (talk) 07:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Jerryobject. I see that a slash is not recommended. I'm still wondering if there is a better punctuation mark than a comma to represent the equality of different terms. Maybe just the simple word "or"? Wolfdog (talk) 17:59, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Slashes are dismal. Commas are fine delimiters. What about a semicolon? Jerryobject (talk) 06:16, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Semicolons sound perfect. I'll make the changes. Thanks! Wolfdog (talk) 02:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Maxthon

Hi.

It is possible that you might be shocked with a revert notice in your notifications.

Don't panic. It was a partial revert.

Well, that ... and WikiEditor suddenly decided to cut me short while I was typing the edit summary and save the page on its own.

Best regards,
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Maxthon (redux)

Hi.

It would be GREAT idea if you actually look at your own edits. Here: Before your edit, after your edit

I hope you can see what's wrong.

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Codename Lisa (talk) 06:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I see it all too clearly. Wow! I erred. Got it. I was wrong. That is horrible of me, and highly embarrassing. I always check my edits very carefully using Show changes, but sometimes accidentally forget to use Show preview. This occurs more when I am tired, which as you suggest, is "CARELESS", but it usually doesn't matter. This time it did. I'm getting better at this, but must be more attentive.

Thank you for catching that, seriously.

However, what about the programming languages in which Maxthon is written? Clearly, any program which incorporates WebKit, or Trident, must contain large blocks of C++ source code, or machine code compiled therefrom. This is unavoidable. Since Maxthon includes WebKit and Trident, it is written, at least partly, in C++; maybe with different code formating standards in the WebKit code because it is through Apple, versus the Trident code because it is through Microsoft. This all seems very obvious. Several other languages are cited on the WebKit.org website. What of them?

I am eager to read your response. Maybe you know a great amount about web browser programming?

By the way, is "Codename Lisa" a reference to the Apple Lisa computer, or to something else, such as your name?

Thank you again. Good day. --Jerryobject (talk) 07:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi.

Short answer is "No". All components of a program need not be in the same programming language. (If you think about it, it is obvious. All Windows programs use Windows API, which is written in C. But almost no app is written in C.) I've used Delphi to develop an Internet Explorer shell myself because Trident is a simple ActiveX control. (Mind you, Maxthon does not include Trident; it just uses it because it has been part of Windows since Windows 98.) WebKit is not that easy but it is convenient, because its source code is available. Maxthon developers can simply compile the WebKit DLLs and link them in their project.

As for Codename Lisa, it is the codename of Linux Mint version 12. When I joined Wikipedia, it was the latest version. I added "Codename" to my username to ensure no one thinks "Lisa" to be my first name.

Best regards,
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IVSYS

I noticed that you explicated IVSYS as "Iverson System (IVSYS)" in both the Kenneth E. Iverson and Eugene McDonnell pages. I think that is inaccurate historically. That system, in its brief existence, was called IVSYS, and there is only one published reference to it as "IVSYS (for Iverson system)" (note the lower case in "system"). I am changing the text to say "IVSYS (for Iverson system)".

Calling it "Iverson System (IVSYS)" would be like calling APL "A Programming Language (APL)". In this case the "acronym" APL is the official name, the name everyone uses. Roger Hui (talk) 06:20, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

That sounds fine. I will not contest the issue. You have greater domain knowledge than I do. Please also check the main APL (programming language) article for this same issue of form. Also, be sure to read and understand WP:ABBR.

Thank you. Jerryobject (talk) 06:36, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Actual? Itself? Themselves? No!

I understand that you are not saying that every use of these words is useless verbal junk, but it is easy to construct sentences using these words where omitting them changes the meaning and tone. For example:

Calling the use of "itself" useless verbal junk is itself useless verbal junk. The sentiment seems clear-cut in the telling but problematic in the actual.

Tongue firmly in cheek. Roger Hui (talk) 06:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Agreed again, mostly. Cleverly recursive. Touché!

Speaking of APL, you seem to be a useful resource, possibly helpful. Do you know what type of license ELI has? I am adding that parameter to its infobox. I spent 10 minutes searching their website, but with no success.

Thank you. Jerryobject (talk) 07:01, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I copy edited my editor page comments on Actual-Itself-Themselves to greatly reduce their incompleteness, and the resulting ambiguity, so such a misunderstanding should not recur.

Thank you for alerting me to it. Jerryobject (talk) 07:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I only have slight knowledge of ELI. I suggest you contact the author, Wai-Mee Ching, for that information. (Or the e-mail address in the "Contact Us" page.) Roger Hui (talk) 08:06, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Influences/Influenced

On the Eugene McDonnell page, you added "Kenneth E. Iverson" as one of the "Influences". I assume that means McDonnell was influenced by Iverson. I question the usefulness and helpfulness of this information, because in a very strong sense everyone who works with APL can be said to be to have Iverson as an influence. Should that field for every such person's page be filled in with "Kenneth E. Iverson"? I think it is enough that McDonnell appears in the "APL programming language" template. (I need to thank you for creating this nice template.)

Roger Hui (talk) 03:55, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the thanks editor Hui. You seem to be quite a catch as a Wikipedia editor. It is an honor to work with you.

You ask: "I assume that means McDonnell was influenced by Iverson."

Yes; in a deep, formal, academic, and scientific sense.

You ask: "Should that field for every such person's page be filled in with "Kenneth E. Iverson"?"

Yes, certainly for those who worked with or under him personally. Imagine your target reader as a curious high schooler, web crawling computer (e.g., Google, Siri, Bing), or AI researcher mining data for deep learning (e.g., Google, Apple, Microsoft), and the subject article with the infobox is the first article on that topic which they are seeing. Write for that.

The exact Wikipedia official policy for assigning influence credits in scientist infoboxes is found in the relevant parts, or section, of Template:Infobox scientist. Get to that page, and then search for the string (word) "influences". Hits 4 and 5 show the policy stated clearly.

I have been studying and thinking about doing this series of APL edits for over a year. Even a few years ago I noticed that the APL articles looked a bit forlorn and neglected, in some ways. Examples:

1. APL is an old and important language, with more than enough APL-related Wikipedia articles to justify a navbox, but no navbox existed; said articles lacked one.

2. Many articles on APL personal lacked infoboxes, or had the wrong type.

3. Infobox parameters were missing.

4. Official website templates were absent or underused.

I was hoping another editor would do the work, but that did not occur. So, I have begun fixing all of this, and will be finishing the rest in the next week or two.

APL is a very important programming language, more than even most programmers realize. The quality of related Wikipedia articles needs to be raised. I can do it. I have the time, writing and Wikipedia expertise, and a layman's interest in the topic.

Best wishes. --Jerryobject (talk) 08:24, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

I.P. Sharp Associates

I appreciate the work you are doing on the APL-related pages. However, please take more care with the edits to the I. P. Sharp Associates page. For example:

• The Reuters acquisition took place in 1987, not 1887.
• Dick Lathwell and Eric Iverson are not founders of IPSA.
• IPSA had many more offices than 3 in 1982. (I am attempting to get an accurate count. It's something like 40 in the early 1980s.)
• IPSA was active not just in North America but in Europe, Asia, and Australia as well.

Roger Hui (talk) 03:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Excellent! Wikipedia is working correctly: this is how the process is intended to work. I did my best, adding things that were not there before, and which were 98% correct, and then you read it and fixed the wrong 2%. Perfect.

• The date goof was a pure typographic error. Sorry. I got a hundred tiny details correct. You caught my obvious clear error, as would most readers. Thank you.
• The paragraph starting: "IPSA employed a team of expert ..." reads as if D. Lathwell and E. Iverson could be founders. Can you rewrite it a bit to remove that ambiguity, and maybe include some time reference(s), i.e., to what year or period (how long after founding?) does the paragraph refer?
• The article did not state the number of IPSA offices. It documents only three: Toronto, Ottawa, and Palo Alto. I did my best. Now, you do your best. Also, we need to document such claims with references, preferably citations.
• The article did not state all of the regions where IPSA was active. It documents only one: North America.

This is working very well. It would be fantastic if you would inspect the infoboxes, after I add them, for errors and possible improvements compliant with the Wikipedia:Manual of Style.

Also, when working on Wikipedia articles and talk pages, whenever possible, editors should use Wiki markup (see: Help:Wikitext, Help:HTML in wikitext), not HTML.

Thank you for all of your hard work.

--Jerryobject (talk) 09:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I have to tell you that I am disappointed in this attitude and approach, even if it is "official Wikipedia policy" or whatever. I myself would much prefer to exclude information not known to be correct, rather than include information not known to be incorrect. (Isn't that what good journalism does?) I only happened to read the IPSA page and only happen to have firsthand knowledge about IPSA, and only happened to notice the bad information. I hate to think that the correctness of other Wikipedia pages depend on such happenstance.

In this case, following the references already cited would uncover the fact that IPSA was serving not just North America. (In the discussion on the network there is mention of a trans-Atlantic link, I believe.) So it was possible even if not easy for a non-insider to uncover the better information.

I am going to blank out the bad information until I can get to putting in the good information. I have other commitments beside fixing up Wikipedia pages.

Thank you for getting the "98% correct". (I won't argue about the actual number. :-)

Roger Hui (talk) 15:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

The I. P. Sharp Associates page either in its current state, or in its previous state which from which you produced the current state, is far from doing justice to the topic. To do that would require a significant investment in time and effort. At present, I myself am not able to make that investment because I have other higher priorities than Wikipedia (yes, there are such other things). I myself would rather not do a partial job of it because it would give an even more misleading impression that the page is doing justice to the topic. Sometimes, something is not better than nothing.

An example of where I did make the effort to provide good copy, is the Kenneth E. Iverson page. It took a significant chunk of my life when I did it in 2016, and still requires "maintenance" from time to time.

Roger Hui (talk) 20:00, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

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"Began" and "started" are not synonymous and you can't always replace one by the other. See the Kenneth E. Iverson page. Roger Hui (talk) 18:59, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

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I am not a software expert or programmer. I make no such claim(s) anywhere that I am aware of. If you find any text that can be (mis)interpreted to seem as if I make any such claim(s), then notify me immediately, and I will alter such text to be far clearer and harder to misinterpret. I am an enthusiastic autodidact, and former part-time newspaper reporter, and low-hour volunteer teacher, who can think, read, write, and edit. That is all. When I make errors, notify me, as you have done, and I will fix them. --Jerryobject (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

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