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Howdy! Concerning how competence is required.

Competence is required to edit Wikipedia. Your recent additions to the article on watermelon are laden with typos, improper punctuation, and undue weight given to your new additions. Consider bringing new information on a topic to a talk page so that another editor may appropriately make the helpful content additions. If you do have the skills to productively edit Wikipedia, please edit when you are at your best. Mewnst (talk) 21:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There may be a Wikipedia for your mother language

Editing Wikipedia in a language one isn't good at is seen as disruptive, but there are other language Wikipedia pages that need the editors. Since you've taken an interest in Sudan-related pages, it may be relevant to use the Arabic Wikipedia. Mewnst (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This talk page edit plainly reveals your lack of familiarity with English grammar, indicating why other editors have to check your edits to repair language mistakes. Why are you editing the English Wikipedia? Perhaps you would enjoy the Wikipedia experience more by editing in a language you know - see List of Wikipedias. Zefr (talk) 16:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Zefr and @Mewnst Making mistakes doesn’t mean you can’t read or write in a language. Please be more welcoming, i.e., WP:Bite FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Btw @Mewnst, why did you assume Arabic and not German?! Most of the refs that they used was not in Arabic. Do we need to close WP:Sudan because the top editors there can speak Arabic. Do i need to stop editing here too because I am not a native?

Curb your “enthusiasm” a little bit please! FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I concede I have had issues with biting newcomers. Wikipedia attracts obsessives who may be lacking in other worthwhile skills. Mewnst (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

February 2022

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Watermelon. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Your recent editing history at Watermelon shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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You have been cautioned multiple times by me and other editors for WP:WAR and careless editing, such as in the illiterate writing of this edit. You have had opportunities to discuss this here on your page and on Talk:Watermelon, but you have made no attempt to engage with other editors. Consequently, you are being reported to admin for violating WP:3RR by continuing to edit-war after a warning. Zefr (talk) 04:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Watermelon. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Crops originating in Sudan

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March 2022

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Watermelon. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. I didn't say you were illiterate. I said your edit was illiterate, as it was - indisputably. Just read what you wrote: this is deficient in grammatical skills. Zefr (talk) 01:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Im not exactly sure where I attacked anybody? in fact I was the only one being attacked, Definition of illiterate according to oxfords dictionary noun "a person who is unable to read or write." I may have made some grammatical mistakes, but by that definition an illiterate couldn't read or wright in the first place, calling my edit "illiterate" is an oxymoron, cause an illiterate by definition can't edit, that comment was uncalled for and demeaning. User:jedorton talk 10:45 pm(EST) March 1,2022

You attacked me with your "mano to mano" bullshit. Illiterate also means "lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals" or "lack of familiarity with language" which your edits display conspicuously. You are a careless editor, making spelling, spacing, and punctuation mistakes, and not formatting your references - see WP:CIT and use this tool to format for you. By the way: "write" not "wright" for chrissakes. Every edit you make has to be checked and repaired. Don't be so fragile about criticism for having your edits corrected. Just pay attention to accuracy both in content and grammar. I have nothing more to say to about this. One last thing: Wikipedia editors leave an edit summary when a change is made to an article - you have never done this, so please start. Zefr (talk) 04:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clear WP:Bite. I reviewed the whole incident, @Jedorton did not attacked you personally, if you disagree take it to notice board. I think you the one who might have done that by calling Jedorton names. Nevertheless, going out of your way not to just bite, but give a block warning for typos on a talk is a bad things and it can be perceived as WP:Rude FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You forgot the you in "I have nothing more to say to you about this", see we all make mistakes now don't we. Hahaha, all's I can do is laugh at this whole situation, I am not fragile about any edit being corrected, in fact I welcome it, its the demeaning part of your "illiterate" attack that I protested, the common meaning of that word is still someone unable to read or write, still making snarky remarks about my spelling, serious question do you speak 3 languages ?,and if so have you mastered the grammar of all 3 languages, anyways thank you for the advice and links, I will look to improve as an editor, at the end of the day I am still a beginner here.User:jedorton talk 11:51 pm(EST) March 1,2022

What is Template:Date=October 2022?

Hi, I noticed you started Template:Date=October 2022, but it's unclear what this is supposed to be.

Would you like help/do you have questions creating and formatting references? Can this template be deleted? = paul2520 💬 16:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged it for deletion. Happy to help you with reference tasks, if you would like. = paul2520 💬 16:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can delete it if you want, if there's problem with the reference, but yes if you can help with the reference that would be nice. jedorton (talk) 13:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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June 2023

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Sudanese Greeks, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fuzzymagma, I removed it because the information was Completely inaccurate The Axumites did not Convert the Nubians to Christianity that was Justinian and his wife Theodora who sent missionaries to Nubia to convert the Royalty to Orthodox Christianity and the Coptic missionaries who converted the Nubian population to Coptic Christianity Not the Axumites, the Axumites did not even hold territory in the region, my removal was completely Constuctive and Justified. Jedorton (talk) 00:23, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We need to remove this pseudo history Jedorton (talk) 01:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

can you provide a reliable reference? FuzzyMagma (talk) 04:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure

"Nubia was converted to Christianity in the 6th century by missions dispatched from Byzantium. According to the narrative of John of Ephesus, a contemporary author, Emperor Justinian I and his wife, Empress Theodora, each dispatched a mission to Nubia, each expounding a different doctrine and competing against the other. This paper challenges these allegations by John of Ephesus and asks whether a political disagreement existed between the imperial couple about their religious policy in Africa or whether they substantially co-promoted the interests of the Byzantine Empire in this region."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/2222582X.2016.1285102

The various waves of adversity and the ruthlessness of the persecution of the Egyptian Christians by the Romans in the second and third centuries must have urged many of the Copts who refused to renounce Christianity to look for some refuge south of Aswan, in Lower Nubia, where the Romans had failed to subdue the Blemme Jedorton (talk) 05:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The various waves of adversity and the ruthlessness of the persecution of the Egyptian Christians by the Romans in the second and third centuries must have urged many of the Copts who refused to renounce Christianity to look for some refuge south of Aswan, in Lower Nubia, where the Romans had failed to subdue the Blemmyes and the Nubians. In time they must of found The Nile Valley between the second and fourth Cataracts more suitable to live in then the barren Lower Nubia. We can obtain an idea of this situation from the statements of such writers as Eusebius, Barhebraeus and Cosmas indicopleustes, besides some of the Christian remains in Nubia as far a marawi are believed to be earlier then the Official missions of the sixth century."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41719577 Jedorton (talk) 05:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore their is no archaeological or historical evidence for an Axumite occupation north of Meroe, Why would the Coptic church take hold in Ethiopia before Sudan ? Jedorton (talk) 05:40, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Than exactly add that below the text with the reference. Please also check the three references that you have removed when you blanked that section. See if they actually support the opposing claim (the one you removed). If it does support then leave the text, and state the opposing opinion. If the references used there are not reliable tag them with inline tags, if when you checked the references you found they actually don’t support that information tag them with ^{[failed verification]}

do not just remove text without trying to explain your point. Use the page talk for that.

I revert your edit and then please take the time as to do what we discussed FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you need help let mr know. Please also look to Cleopatra race controversy for guidance FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You FuzzyMagma Jedorton (talk) 12:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jedorton you again just removed the text. If I undo your edit you can be blocked from editing. Please go back and fix it yourself and try to avoid WP:warring FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted it back, But can I remove or edit the part that says Axumites converted Nubians to Christianity ? which is historically & archaeologically inaccurate Jedorton (talk) 18:

Anyways I'd like to thank you for helping to rename Kushite mythology (who spoke Meroitic and not Nubian) from "Nubian" mythology as it was the Mythology of the Kushites and not Nubians (who arrived later during Axumite times. Jedorton (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can be as Bold as you like, but please consider when removing sourced/referenced material to explain why, without using your own opinion or what you think but rather the consensus of the academic. The example of Cleopatra race controversy is a good example of how Tertiary source is not about original research.

to be honest with you, I really think you are a competent editor, with a deep knowledge and understanding of the topic. just need to familiarise yourself with some WP:MOS and WP:etiquette to avoid clashing with other editors. Happy editing and let me know if you need any help .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the compliment FuzzyMagma, I will admit I still haven't gotten used to wiki and it's rules, I am still trying to learn, I'll take your advice and Familiarise myself with the links you gave. Jedorton (talk) 23:30, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fuzzy

Changing "Nubian Mythology" to "Kushite Mythology" is incorrect, it seem clear that the "competent " editor has a problem with Nubian and the pride they have of their history since he is looking for anything concerning our history and trying to revise it based on his own biases which are not based on any sound archaeology or credible sources.

The use of incorrect terminology such as "axumite times " proves my point Kryako (talk) 14:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Start a move discussion on the page talk. Nothing here is done without an open debate. Use reliable sources to support your argument. At the end of the day, WP:Wikipedia is not a democracy FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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HU DanC herek the images removed from Kushite mythology are part if the public domain Jedorton (talk) 01:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't examined the images but my message above was about text that you had copied from https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/western-deffufa-kerma. DanCherek (talk) 03:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Jedorton please ask for the article to be restored as a draft and we can work on it together. If it was empty please start here Draft:Doukki Gel and we will move it to the main space once the article is ready. Don’t be deterred please. It’s a learning process and you will get to enjoy this project. Take care FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FuzzyMagma will do, thank you Jedorton (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, welcome back. Please use edit summary to explain what you did especially if you are deleting a big chunk of an article. Feel free to revert my edit and add an edit summary explaining what you did FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HI there seems to have been no historical evidence backing the worship of several deities, I cite JSTOR as reference. Jedorton (talk) 21:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason edit summary wont allow me to edit my reasons for my edits. Jedorton (talk) 22:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections to your edit, you just need to say why are you removing this amount of text FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@R Prazeres Holy shit I didn't even know i was previously engaged in disruptive editing, that's a first, all i did was stay true to the sources which state luqman was a Nubian, and an Ethiopian guy ( I guess) would repeatedly erase that, I doubt he got the same warning though. Jedorton (talk) 05:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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