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Nomination

I've watched quietly and think you're ready. Rcsprinter (whisper) @ 20:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Did you know that I was at ANI only 3 months ago?--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Comment

"If I were you I would not poke the bear, which never ends well with Ihardlythinkso.--Jasper Deng"

I resemble that remark! Ihardlythinkso (talk) 02:06, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

My apologies if I implied you were a bear, because I never thought of you as that.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:59, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

No apology necessary. (I thought it was humorous and appropriate.) Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 22:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Quick interface edit request

Since I saw you commenting at MediaWiki talk:Blockedtext, I thought you'd be interested in bringing MediaWiki:Globalblocking-blocked up to the same standard as Blockedtext (the previous one MediaWiki:Globalblocking-blocked is deprecated; the new message uses different $ parameters). (if you don't know what a global block is, see m:Global blocks).--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Sure. What specifically are you looking for? A direct copy/paste? - jc37 19:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, copy-paste but you have to realize that the parameter #s like $5 are different for the two - and make corrections and necessary additions.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Just to make certain - Are you aware you linked to the same age above? MediaWiki:Globalblocking-blocked. So what page was deprecated? - jc37 19:18, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Oops... the new page is MediaWiki:Globalblocking-ipblocked.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Well, I did the paste to MediaWiki:Globalblocking-blocked.

But I'm unsure about MediaWiki:Globalblocking-ipblocked. Perhaps proposing it on talk there first? That way, anyone watching there has the option to comment/clarify. - jc37 19:31, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

It has been already - see MediaWiki talk:Globalblocking-ipblocked, and no-one objected.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see a request to copy the text over at MediaWiki talk:Globalblocking-ipblocked. - jc37 19:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Not a request to copy, but a request to update; it won't be an exact copy due to the parameter changes. I don't see why you need consensus for this change, especially since almost no people watch that page and I can't think of anyone who only wants the default message.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:39, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say consensus. I just think it would be a good idea to give others a chance to comment/clarify.

Anyway, as for notifications, I do watch talkpages. I just am not at my comp constantly 24/7. And besides, afaict, there's no real rush to need to do this. - jc37 20:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I can start a discussion but I doubt it'll attract comments.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Uhhmmm

Please, don't do that on Dutch Wikiquote if you don't know Dutch. It was a matter of sources. I am one of the few editors there. Bests regards, Sir Statler (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

You put your signature in the article, so I percieved it to be vandalism; plus that wasn't the right way to cite sources leading me to believe it was not constructive. In addition, I'm on Meta:CVN, and you were blacklisted because you were blocked on Dutch Wikipedia.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Funny. The blok was on my one request. To cool a bit down. 24 hours. But, anyway, were dit I put my signature? We have removed 550 articels because they were copyio. Sir Statler (talk) 22:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

At the beginning.Jasper Deng (talk) 02:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh. Your right. It was such a mess I didn't notice. Thanks anyway for your attention. Kind regards, Sir Statler (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Re Windows 8 editions

Hi, Jasper

I met you in the MSE nomination page and you seem to be a seasoned editor. So, I'd like to have your advice please, if it isn't much trouble. A user called User:Shiroishimatora has twice removed contents from Windows 8 editions. Do you think what he does is vandalism or genuine good faith edit? Also, is what he is doing edit warring? I'm new around here and I can't decide very well; and I don't want to hurt anyone here. Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Definitely not vandalism, though I'd like to disagree on his rationale.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I see. Maybe you should. Although, I guess you know better, having more experience and all. Thanks anyway.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:21, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Skydrive

Hey, Jasper

Sorry to bother you but I am not sure I quite understand the point of this edit of yours. You actually want a citation that says "SkyDrive app and SkyDrive service are not the same thing"? I mean is it not obvious that an app is not the web service itself?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 21:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

The app is a client for the service, isn't it?--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes. They are tightly related. So,...? Codename Lisa (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't imply that they aren't.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I linked it to another article and then added a couple of sources and a screenshot to that article. I hope they'll suffice. But I trust you'll tell me if they aren't.

Best regads,

Codename Lisa (talk) 23:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

It's fine now. Happy editing!--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Re:

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Tiderolls 01:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Is this revert correct?

Hello, Jasper

Quick question: Is this revert correct? I mean is it really the reversion of vandalism? I am asking you because I am involved, so I thought a neutral person may have a better judgement. Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 13:44, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

That's not a good revert, especially if it's called "vandalism" when it's not.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

fyi

• fyi. Wifione ^Message 18:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks!--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the revert on my talk page. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No problems. I couldn't prevent that yellow banner from showing up in the process, though xD.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Quite alright. I usually visit my watchlist before anything else, so I can tell when something has been reverted and I just ignore the yellow banner. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

On the other hand, I personally find it a little annoying when my watchlist already tells me that my talk page has already been edited.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For all of your work at WP: AF/FP! Electric Catfish 23:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It's interesting to note that bad-faith reports appear to have gone down somewhat since a few months ago.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I've noticed that too, even though I've only been working there for a few weeks now. Best, Electric Catfish 23:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC).

Your email

Would you be so kind to send me that same email? Arcandam (talk) 03:42, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I made it an email and not a talk page message for a reason. I wouldn't like it but if you don't take a brief wikibreak now, you may be forced onto one anyway.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I figured out what that reason is... So that is why it is probably a good idea to send me that same email. Arcandam (talk) 03:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Like I said it's private for a specific reason - and you wouldn't like what it says either. Please don't make this end up here.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Its probably best to talk to your mentor(s), right? Arcandam (talk) 03:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

They'll probably say the same thing if you ask them.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Jasper, I hope you've read my comment on Ryan's page. Your actions certainly escalated the matter further than it needed to be, most of your comments were not needed or implied authority you do not have. Also, threatening ANI is not helpful in any way shape or form, it would just cause more drama. Worm^TT(talk) 09:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I was AFK when you posted it so I'm only checking it now.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you...

... for clearing the nastiness from my Talk page. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I've reported the IP to AN/I. Electric Catfish 17:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

AIV would also work.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

There's no Twinkle option for "Personal Attacks". Electric Catfish 17:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You don't need one. You just type in a custom reason. Plus, only if it's a mass attack or a repeat offender (especially after being warned) should you report for a block.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit fiter manager

Hey Jasper! I patrol Special: Abuselog to patrol for vandalism. Will the edit filter manager bit enable me to see the attempted edit ("details")? Electric Catfish 18:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

It would, though I feel you need more counter-vandalism experience - don't revert just what gets caught by the filter. You should also familiarize yourself with regular expressions.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I've been doing counter-vandalism since May and have reported over 250 users to AIV. I also patrol for vandalism using STiki. I know a bit about regex, but I learnt it from WP: REGEX. A bunch of users told me on IRC that I should request it. Electric Catfish 18:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit filter manager won't help you unless you know the abuse filter syntax well. I'd be neutral on you being an edit filter manager for read-only purposes (as is I).--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I see that you have over 740 edits to AIV. Wow! What do you suggest I work on before I request it (for read-only)? Electric Catfish 18:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Continue counter-vandalism work, and demonstrate that you do know the syntax.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Electric Catfish 18:34, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Your source please

Hello, Jasper. How do you do?

To tell the truth I am a little (but not much) irritated. I expected this edit from anyone but a veteran like you. But I digress. Perhaps you could show me your sources. I trust you should have strong sources at hand to have proceeded so.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 20:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The sources cited at the beginning of the table cover all the information in it. ARM vs. x86 differences are not disputable.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• • Hi

Wow, you continue to surprise me.

First, I need a source that says current applications run on Windows 8. I know that it is wrong because current applications may not run on Windows 8. There are no compatible personal firewalls at the moment and .NET Framework 2 or earlier cannot be installed on Windows 8.

Second, I need a source that says internal metro-style apps can be installed on Windows 8. Mind you, I have at least a couple of sources at hand that say "Windows Store is the only way of installing apps on Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro."

Third, I must insist on a source that says "Microsoft has not yet released maximum-supported system specifications, such as the maximum amount of RAM or logical processors." Seriously, just because one have not seen such a spec must not assert so, unless he has a source.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 20:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

1. By that, it really means old-fashioned Win32 x86 applications as a whole, not on an individual basis
2. Enterprise has the ability to do internal apps, see the source
3. I disagree. This is a plainly obvious observation.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• • • • • Hello, Jasper

First, if the compatibility field is mean to be that generic, there is already a platform field that gives as much info. Therefore, the compat row should be deleted per WP:REDUNDANCY. We really don't need an article that reads like a nursery rhyme: "Does it support x86? Yes! Does it support x86 apps? Yes! Does it support x86 driver? Yes! Does it support x86 service? Yes!"

Second, you are right that Enterprise edition has that capability. (Source confirms.) But do you see that the article also includes "yes" in front of other editions as well? Do you see that source does not support them?

Now, as for the last. "Obvious observation" only applies when you, I and everyone in the universe has little trouble studying every single publication from Microsoft and concluding that Microsoft has never published such spec. (Just for the record, Microsoft has published such a spec: The MCP program sent me a poster on Windows 8. A part of it says 32-bit apps are restricted to using a maximum of 4 GBs of physical memory when PAE is enabled, paging restrictions notwithstanding.) So, I am afraid, per WP:BURDEN, the contributor must prove (through providing a source) that Microsoft has never published such a spec.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 23:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

1. The general user does not know about that.
2. I believe there should be a "yes" under RT but I'm not sure, that can be removed.
3. The 4-GB limit is still not conclusive because 1 - Windows tends to set a lower usable limit like 3.25 GB, 2 - Physical Address Extension is a possibility, 3 - the burden is on you to find things like the fact that Win 7 Ultimate supports 192 GB RAM.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

• • • • • • • Hello, Jasper. Charming night.

1. I am sorry but correct me if I am wrong: Are you saying that people do not understand that an x86 OS can run x86 applications but you are also saying that we can use this fact (which according to you, they do not understand) as a source to synthesize another a piece of info general state of application compatibility?
2. Excellent. Thank you.
3. Correct but irrelevant; I assure you, I will supply source whenever I contributed something. The burden is on the one who adds or restores contents. In this case, that means you, my friend. Besides, I do not know why you resist deleting it when it is redundant. I am sure the list of things that Microsoft has not mentioned fills volumes.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 10:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

1.I was saying that we need to point that out because the general user would not know.

3.People generally will wonder about maximum specifications, so it's important to mention. As I said before this does not need a source since it's easily verifiable that no-one official has said anything about it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:01, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute in which you may have been involved. Content disputes can hold up article development, therefore we request your participation in the discussion to help find a resolution. The thread is "Windows 8 editions". Thank you! EarwigBot ^{operator / talk} 19:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Problem in Sony Vegas Pro

Hi, Jasper

You seem to have more experience in the field than I do, so I thought maybe you can give me a tip or two. A user has made a mess of an article and I do not have revert permission.

Not long ago, a deleted a list of films from Sony Vegas Pro article. I thought this list is against WP:Verifiability as well as WP:NOTDIR and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. But Babahu (talk · contribs) came along and reverted me. We discussed in his talk page and apparently, he completely agrees with me, only he does not want to let list go because it is "fun". So, I eventually thought he has reluctantly agreed and removed the list again yesterday.

But he has brought it back and has made a mess of article in process. But, per WP:BRD and WP:EW, I do not have permission to revert. Only I don't know where should I go. This does not seem like dispute to me but also definitely isn't vandalism.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 09:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries

Thanks for watching my page. Its fine either way. I sorta chuckled when I got it. I'm not sure it was worth an indef block myself but its not really up to me. Happy editing. Kumioko (talk) 02:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Rfa close

Thanks....I really hate templates sometimes :-) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 23:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, it put my signature there so you may want to put yours in place of mine.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed it; I hope neither of you mind... Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:42, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't, having as little chance as that candidate of passing RfA.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! Logical Cowboy (talk) 23:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

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Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

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• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
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• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
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Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 19:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Re added delete tag

Sorry, That the only way I know how to make delete request(Re-added delete tag), and have done clear by admin to be notable in Wikipedia & you have to understand my English --Sasakubo1717 (talk) 05:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

We have different kinds of deletion tags. You just used the wrong one. No big deal.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Hellartgirl

Hello Jasper Deng,

Thank you for the information. We have no action to take on WP:fr, yet. I'm quite surprised to see this request, I will wait for the result. Best regards — S t a r u s – ¡Dímelo! – 16:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starus (talk • contribs)

Microsoft Security Essentials is now an FA candidate

Hello, Jasper. How do you do?

I thought it is best to let you know that Microsoft Security Essentials is now a featured article candidate – again, yes. I thought perhaps you'd like to participate in the FAC. You can find it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Microsoft Security Essentials/archive2.

By the way, how's the wiki-life? Are vandals giving you a hard time?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:02, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

'Usage share of web browsers' vandalism

Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

Hi Jasper- thanks for reverting 37.105.37.15's latest vandalism to the 'Usage share of web browsers' page. They keep doing so from various IP addresses, but always registered to the ISP Saudi Telecom Co. I presume they're a teenager retaliating for having their W3Schools addition rejected, but that has been long agreed on the Talk page.

Is it possible to put a temporary hold on anonymous edits to this page, if they continue? Cheers -- Psdie (talk) 02:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

While I disagree on it being vandalism, Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is there for you.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Did you note that this is the sixth time the same user (different IPs, all unusual Saudi Telecom Co ISP) has tried to force through the W3School/NetApps changes, with zero update comments, ignoring multiple other editors requesting they cease making the changes, and completely ignoring the Talk page as a means of resolution? Whilst I can see that the behaviour doesn't fit the WP definition of vandalism, we presumably agree the user appears to be behaving in a disruptive manner?

For reference, here's the STC IPs used so far: 94.96.101.200, 94.97.38.26, 94.99.191.96, 37.105.37.15. Hopefully though they've got bored of the game now, or are ready to discuss on the Talk page. Thanks -- Psdie (talk) 15:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Just to prove my point, he (via new IP 37.107.49.166) has just reverted your edit too. -- Psdie (talk) 02:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Go to WP:RPP.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Great, have seconded your request, adding note that they're removing Net Apps too. Thanks for the support! Psdie (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2012 (UTC)