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August 2022

Hey, how's it going? I am writing because I wish to discuss with you our recent activity at Jimmy Savile and its talk page, and my concerns regarding the article as it stands.

So when you reverted my edit to the short description, you argued that it was misleading as Savile was not convicted during his lifetime. I can understand your point no criminal charges were ever laid on him, but the police did investigate nonetheless, and he's now believed to have been one of the country's most prolific sex offenders. Based on this, I believe that the short description and first sentence should point this out.

My primary concern with this article is the scenario where someone researches Savile on a website external from Wikipedia, and it embeds the Wikipedia article but only the first half of the lead paragraph; they would be reading about this well respected television host who raised money for charity instead of what public perception actually says. I believe that it is needed to at least list him as a sex offender of sorts in the first sentence so that everyone can gain a proper idea of him.

GOLDIEM J (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

We've had discussions like this before on the talk page. How Google presents their search results is not a concern when writing a Wikipedia article, because it is on an external website and Wikipedia has no control over what they do. You are right, though, typically they show only the first sentence. The policy is WP:LEAD, which says that the lead "should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies." The lead does do all of this, and does not attempt to cram it all into one sentence to meet the requirements of Google. Britannica says "Jimmy Savile, in full Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile, (born October 31, 1926, Leeds, England—died October 29, 2011, Leeds), British entertainer who was a flamboyant radio and television personality known as much for his platinum-dyed hair, gaudy tracksuits, and enormous cigar as he was for his zany comedic style. After his death in 2011, he was the centre of a sexual abuse scandal."[1] Note that this doesn't say that Savile was a paedophile/sex offender/rapist etc in the opening sentence. It uses a style that is very similar to Wikipedia guidelines.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:39, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

What about the arguement that Savile was not convicted during his lifetime? After his death, the police investigated and came to a conclusion. In my own opinion, I would treat this is akin to posthumously receiving criminal charges. Do you still argue that pointing this out in the short description would be misleading? GOLDIEM J (talk) 09:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

If Savile were here today, there is little doubt that he would face charges over at least some of the allegations. In England and Wales, the Crown Prosecution Service determines whether criminal charges should be brought. It is not up to the police to do this, and they have not had this power since 1986. In my view, too much weight has been given to the opinion of the police that Savile was a "predatory sex offender" because this would ultimately have been up to the Crown Prosecution Service and a jury, not the police.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Nikolas Cruz Birth Family

Nikolas Cruz birth family should be included in the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting article at least somewhere because they are relevant to the case as Niks lawyers are using them as reasons why Nik should not get the death penalty. Shktriib1 (talk) 18:01, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

This is more of an article talk page issue. There are some WP:BLP issues here with the names and backgrounds of the people involved, so it has to be handled carefully.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

My edit on usenet

why do you think that this is not very important?

It had been raising a lot of discussions, see e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/827233/ and I tried also to convince Google to restore comp.lang.oberon, but they did not.

You refer to WP:DUE but I do not see nor understand why this might be a reason to delete my post.

Banning content, which is of historical interest is not a good idea, although the current users of oberon & derivatives is a small group, I think it should be possible to note that in a two liner. Treutwein (talk) 11:26, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I was looking for more mainstream coverage, as https://lwn.net/Articles/827233/ doesn't seem to be a very high profile source and is basically a collection of forum posts. It's undoubtedly important to the people involved, but it may have passed other people by. This could be raised at Talk:Usenet as it is article related. See also WP:RGW.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ianmacm hmm, blocking content is relevant and Google ignoring complaints is even more. The mainstream banned groups have been restored, but minor groups apparently not. I guess that c.l.o is only one of these, but I don't know for sure. Treutwein (talk) 13:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ianmacm yes this banning of usenet groups went quite unnoticed in the public, but still I think it is worth mentioning on the main page and not only on the talk page. In general, I do not look at talk pages. Treutwein (talk) 12:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Notice I added to Talk:Facebook

Hi. I hope you are having a good day. I noticed that you removed the notice I added to the talk page in question. The page gets lots of nonsense and inappropriate discussions. I decided to put up that notice in order to try to reduce those discussions. I was inspired by a similar notice on the page Talk:Better Business Bureau, which got a lot of WP:NOTFORUM comments. If you look at that page's revision history, you can see that after the notice was put up, the amount of inappropriate discussions went down. I think that the reason why it was more effective at curbing disruption than the {{Talk header}} on the top of the page was because the message was more noticeable and redirected users to where they can reach the BBB. The most common inappropriate discussions on Talk:Facebook are gibberish and attempts to contact Facebook support. Although my custom <big></big> notice will not likely reduce the nonsense, people who think the page is for contacting support will be properly redirected. Thanks for reading and I hope you reply. Regards, SunilNevlaFan ✨ 13:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

As WP:SHOUT says, "ALL CAPS and enlarged fonts may be considered shouting and are rarely appropriate. Bolding may be used to highlight key words or phrases but should be used judiciously." There is also a problem with people who are not native English language speakers posting random nonsense, so I doubt it it would make much difference. The proper way to edit talk page guidelines is to create a template.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:26, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

deleted link to andkon page

hello, I see that you have deleted the link because you say that it does not comply with WP:EL, I put it so that anyone can play flash games again, in which part of that wiki does the link not comply? (if you think it is necessary delete the name of the site) Lenis Felipe (talk) 15:56, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

There's nothing inherently wrong with the link, but as a general rule, Wikipedia articles don't have links to online games sites as they are not necessary per WP:EL and it can encourage people to add their own sites, leading to a lot of spam in the external links section.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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Killing of Lee Rigby

Don't know why you are keen to deny it was terrorism just because leaving it out "reads better". I'm happy to change it, but where do we tell the world it was a terrorist killing? Justice 4 all people (talk) 19:44, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Archimedes' heat ray

Hello, Ianmacm,

Thank you for creating Archimedes' heat ray.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

Your Wikipedia article "Archimedes' heat ray" contains so much text from the webpage https://datatorch.com/Science/Scientists_Stories.aspx?id=28 that I think it could be considered a copyright violation. I don't think it can be accepted in Wikipedia as it is. It needs a substantial rewrite, in my opinion.

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PopePompus (talk) 00:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

This isn't a copyright violation, it's the other way round. I wrote this for Archimedes a long time ago and it has been mirrored elsewhere; I'd never heard of the datatorch version until you mentioned it, it's basically a copy and paste of Wikipedia content. Please see the discussion at Talk:Archimedes#Modern_heat_ray_experiments, it was decided to split this off into a separate article. See also this edit for the attribution on this text.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Belated reply

Hello I. I hope you had a nice festive weekend. Mine was busier than I thought it would be. Thus, my late reply to your message. I'm sure I've seen the new S&S poll added to other articles so I think it is okay to add it for the 2001 page. We can always go to the talk page if needed. Best wishes for your 2023. Hmmmm 22 years and I'm still waiting to see the star child :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

I added it in this edit on 5 December. It's interesting because it is the first time that 2001: A Space Odyssey has beaten Citizen Kane and The Godfather in a major poll. Orson Welles must be spinning in his grave.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:08, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Good work. That is an interesting change of attitude towards the films. Kurosawa's Ikiru is a film that has moved up my list. As I get older my appreciation for it grows. I am interested to see Living. Nighy is one of the few actors who could do justice to the character that Shimura created. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 20:46, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Hans Zimmer

I feel it is important to leave the MrBeast thing on the Hans Zimmer page. If not on there then on his discography 2601:84:4501:78E0:145:F1B:1B2A:6ECC (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit: What I mean is don’t fully delete it. Just edit it a little because the wording on it isn’t great. Ty! 2601:84:4501:78E0:145:F1B:1B2A:6ECC (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

I was 50-50 on keeping this because it hasn't received a great deal of news coverage. It isn't practical to mention everything that Zimmer does during the course of a year, but it would be worth raising this at Talk:Hans Zimmer, which you have done.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 23:04, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

That’s reasonable. Thank you for replying! 2601:84:4501:78E0:EDC1:5293:BCEC:FD7A (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Unclear removal of edit on "Charlatan" page

Hey, I'm the guy who made the D&D edit. I knew for a long time that this edit should have been made. Talks on the talk page date back to 2008 and no Modern Usage section has ever been added. I just wanted to stir the pot so to say! I do now see my grammatical mistake, forgive me for it. However, it is well sourced. I wrote the quote with the book in front of me. As such i believe the removal of the edit was unnecessary.

link: Charlatan Emilej01 (talk) 22:15, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I was worried about WP:DUE in this edit. The sourcing (a Dungeons and Dragons guide) isn't ideal either.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:30, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

I do believe using D&D as a source adds validity to it though: Table Top Roleplaying is timeless in essence but due to it being played in the present day it mirrors current usage of these terms! After all, that is what "Modern Usage" is supposed to represent!

If you can find a better modern usage/more ideal source, I'll be happy to back down. But as it stands I still believe my edit was legitimate and should be allowed on a page considered to be Start Class. Especially considering D&D is neutral in it's usage of the term: all characters of any alignment, be it good or evil; lawful or chaotic, may choose Charlatan as a background!

In my honest opinion, that removal is unwarranted and I shall reinstate it within this month. Good Day! Emilej01 (talk) 22:28, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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Graham Hancock edit, 17:26, 8 February 2023‎

"This is redundant wording"

D: , , , >:( Troopersho (talk) 14:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Not quite sure what this means, but I stand by the comments at Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2023 (2) on the talk page.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I do not disagree, thank you for replying. - Troopersho (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

John

You were recently called sensible (well, they "perceived" you to be such) and reasonable. I may differ due to your interpretation of "Not News". I'd like to show you your error.Justanother2 (talk) 10:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I guess it's related to this edit at 2023 Monterey Park shooting. This was discussed at Talk:2023_Monterey_Park_shooting#What_is_news? and is best raised there.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

No one is talking or "discussing" anything related to that especially on the page. Best? You are making an error by saying it isn't news. What are you not understanding?Justanother2 (talk) 11:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

It's a talk page matter and you need to get a WP:CONSENSUS for making this edit. I can't decide single-handedly whether or not it goes into the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

One plus one is two. Two outnumbers one. I'll change it if you agree with me.Justanother2 (talk) 12:55, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Victims

Regarding this edit, I just wanted to combine names so it's clear who (owner/manager and 3 Taiwan citizens) died at the scene and who at the hospital later, with less redundancy. Vacosea (talk) 08:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I've undone this edit, but changed "perished" to "died".--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

People like you are why everyone else hates the editing community here.

You reverted an article to a version with even less sources, and even less merit to be here. The type of bad faith editing you engage in is why the Wikipedia community is full of well meaning, but in the end, useless idiots. Not you specifically but you get the point. FYI: If an article doesn't start as a stub, where does it start, I put it out there in the community to encourage others to expand things as you do... I assume... Although, Maybe? Maybe you don't... Maybe you're the type of hapless idiot I'm describing who believes in editing things, in secrecy, in a sandbox on their talk page by themselves? Welp... That leads to the Sysaphean paradox of trying to roll shit up hill like a dung beetle. Rolling the dung up a monolith only to be crushed by it when it inevitably rolls down again, and then people who might be like you (if they could) would be wondering why they died...

Which leaves the paradox... This community (if one can call it that) is full of well meaning, but (mostly) hapless idiots (who have inferior knowledge on most subjects to people from academic and scientific backgrounds) but think they have a superiority complex because they can revert someone else's edits.

Which leads to another paradox, which is one about why I never (generally) bother to contribute anything to this (stupid) project, even though I am a person with a post-graduate degree and part of the so called "inteligentsia." Or in another way as they say... you might like to know, knowledge is not created in a vacuum, it's created through a construct, and if you understood what that word "construct" actually meant you would also understand why you're dangerously foolish. But I'll let you suck all the air out of the room until your eyeballs pop out of your head (should you so wish?) 120.22.86.142 (talk) 08:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Instead of launching into personal attacks, have a look at what WP:EXPERT says on this issue. Even if you are an expert in a given area, Wikipedia articles have to be sourced properly. Quote: "Expert editors can be very valuable contributors to Wikipedia, but they sometimes have a difficult time realizing that Wikipedia is a different environment from scholarly and scientific publishing."--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Or just admit that you're a hapless fool who likes playing king of the castle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.22.86.142 (talk) 09:20, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Nope, that's just rude and you haven't responded to the issues raised in WP:EXPERT.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:42, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Just go away and stop abusing BRD. You are the problem here. --120.22.5.202 (talk) 08:30, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to discuss this here, it is a talk page matter for Talk:Half-frame camera. Also, I guessed that the block wouldn't make the slightest difference to your behaviour.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Fantasy novels

The article on Graham Hancock states on his novels: "His first novel, Entangled: The Eater of Souls, the first in a fantasy series, was published in the UK in April 2010 and in the US in October 2010. " Why do you dispute this? Dimadick (talk) 12:46, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I've accepted the revert, you've got it right.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Bach

Thanks. Always good to hear the master on either the harpsichord or organ. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:22, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Jonathan King matter

Thanks for your reply on Talk. Both the Glitter and Harris matters are clearly listed in the lead, irrespective of their previous careers. A conviction of this seriousness generally trumps all other considerations on Wiki. To say he had a music career before he became a convicted child sex offender is essentially to say that Hitler was excellent with motorways before he started a war. I don't know if you want to kick this one up to mods, or request an RfC, but I must say it seems very odd. The (massive) lead seems almost an attempt to frustrate the inclusion of this absolutely essential information; which, by any metric, belongs in the lead. 86.160.1.163 (talk) 14:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

This is a talk page matter for Talk:Jonathan King, so I can't go into great detail here. With the King/Glitter/Harris articles, there is a long standing consensus not to say "He's a paedo/sex offender" in the opening sentence. This is because the WP:LEAD establishes why a person is notable before introducing the controversies. As I've said before, if Paul Gadd from Banbury had committed sex offences, he would not have a Wikipedia article. The notability for the sex offences comes from the fact that Paul Gadd from Banbury is better known as Gary Glitter the glam rock star. The WP:LEAD is designed to be read in full over several paragraphs and is not a short description in the style of a Google search result.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft was Deleted.

My Draft Article duely name as Draft: Abad Mehmood Ali (Advocate was deleted) and considered to be promotional. Hafiz AALC (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

As a general rule, you should not attempt to create an article about yourself or someone you work for on Wikipedia. See also your first article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Old Spice

Regarding this,[2] the article totally ignores the classic jingle, hence the "Advertising" section is biased. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

The main reason why I reverted in this edit is WP:YOUTUBE. The YouTube user account TVKoku shows no signs of being officially linked to Old Spice, so the video is probably a copyright violation. Also, this is a US TV commercial and Old Spice is sold in many countries other than the US. I am British and the best known TV commercial for Old Spice is the one with the man on a surf board and the music O Fortuna (Orff).--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:14, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

How is this[3] not a copyright violation? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

It looks like an low quality home video recording of the surf board/Orff commercial. YouTube is full of videos like this, and they are generally not suitable as external links. This shouldn't really be in the article either.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Which would erase that paragraph in the article, because it would then be unreferenced. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

The article Old Spice hasn't been in a brilliant condition for a long time. There is a need to provide secondary rather than primary sourcing, and this article looks at the surf board/Orff commercial.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

That article also alludes to the "sailor" theme which was visible on that youtube clip I had posted. Finding info that talks about each of their advertising campaigns over the years could be a tall order. If their own website had a "history" page, that would be nice - but I'm not seeing one. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:05, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Correction. "Tye".

Correction. Matthew Tye (not Tyre). 109.148.131.232 (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Matthew Tyre

Hi again - and thanks for your work on the Jonathan King article. Nice job. Wonder if you'd take a look at something. The above article does not belong on Wikipedia, or anywhere else for that matter. It's a cynical misuse of the platform to sell a YouTube channel (his handle there is laowhy86) and down the line - I would guess - merch. This guy lived in Huizhou, China for years. So did I, oddly enough. Though our paths never crossed, he was a known headcase. Together with a pal of his from South Africa, they attracted so much attention to themselves that their visas were finally cancelled. Not nice, I know, but hey! - welcome to China. What ensued was a series of wholly ridiculous uploads in YouTube, culminating in the Bond classic, 'How I escaped China' (he achieved this by simply walking through customs into Hong Kong). This was followed by 'How I got my family out of China' (his wife and son got on a plane). Now, I'm no fan of the Chinese authorities or the PSB, but if they want to arrest you, they will. And if they don't care, you're simply allowed to leave whenever you like - as was the case here. I realise you're very busy, but a quick scoot through the article should make it clear that almost all of it is invented, as was the more dramatic, final YouTube stuff. If you have time, look through his many years of happy YouTube broadcasts from China. The paranoia didn't settle in until the last few weeks. I've seen this happen in China before. It's called being away from home for two long. But as a Wikipedia entry, this is absolute and total bullshit. And I don't think Wiki should be used to hold imaginary grudges or to get a new business off the ground. It should be deleted. 109.148.131.232 (talk) 16:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I had never heard of Matthew Tye until this was mentioned. The requirement for having a standalone Wikipedia article is the general notability guideline. To be fair, the article does have quite a lot of references, but I'm not so sure that they are blue chip and establish notability. The article survived a deletion discussion in July 2022. I'm at weak keep and agree that it may not be quite as notable as some people think, but deletion of the article would require a consensus.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the proposals for deletion and am surprised they weren't acted on. His yarns are bullshit from beginning to end and this entire thing is a bogus construct for financial gain. I'm surprised that Wiki has allowed itself to be used in this way.

There is ZERO veracity in his China/007 yarn, but he has cleverly concocted an adventure story from nothing to forge a new career. It's actually outlandish, and I'm sure the guy must have a screw loose.

All that being understood, it's not a bad way to start a fresh racket.

Which is all this is.

PS: If you look at the "sources", most do nothing to bolster his narrative and seem included only to bolster credibility. There is not one that corroborates the meat and potatoes of his narrative. Almost all are peripheral.

Thanks for taking a look. The whole thing is disgusting. 109.148.131.232 (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Barbara Millicent Roberts

Hello. My full edit summary for this edit was meant to be:

There wasn't really a consensus made, so the information shouldn't yet be removed. See the explanation I gave. All other articles about fictional characters give their full names first. I am aware that this article isn't called "Barbara Millicent Roberts". That doesn't matter. Barbie is the WP:COMMONNAME, so is the name of the article. Bill Gates's article isn't called William Henry Gates III, doesn't mean we don't include it. Peter Griffin's article isn't called Peter Löwenbräu Griffin Sr., doesn't mean we don't include it. There is no reason not to include Barbie and Ken's full names. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not necessary in the opening sentence, it's basically fancruft of little or no interest to an average reader.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 21:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Why? What's the difference between this and any other articles for fictional characters?

See:

Walter White (Breaking Bad)

Penny (The Big Bang Theory)

Howard Wolowitz

And many more listed at Lists of fictional characters by work. These are all articles about fictional characters that list the full names of the subject in the first sentence of the article. Why should the Barbie and Ken articles be any different to these other articles on fictional characters? Strugglehouse (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Barbie is primarily discussed by reliable sources as a toy product line, not as fictional characters. Placing in-universe details in the lead is undue weight when looking at how sources approach the subject. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 21:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

How many people know and care about Barbara Millicent Roberts? Probably very few. It doesn't make sense to shoehorn this into the opening sentence when Barbie is known primarily as a toy doll, not a fictional character in books and films. Comparisons based on WP:OTHERCONTENT are not relevant.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

File:Sayenko suprunyuck.jpg (Warning: Graphic)

We are not a censored encyclopedia.

If you wouldn't like to see things that offend or disturb you, stay inside at all times and avoid the Internet at all costs.

This file is perfectly in-scope and fits all the inclusion criteria per WP:NFCC, so I believe we should portray it accurately, even if it's a little disturbing.

Maybe we should move the image away from the lead section per WP:SHOCK, but we shouldn't censor it.

Kindly, QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:23, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:BRD, you should have made a case on the talk age rather than simply reverting. As I said on the talk page, The purpose of this image is to show what Sayenko and Suprunyuk look like, not to show what a dead cat looks like. It isn't even the same image with the pixellation removed, it is a completely different image with the uncensored dead cat right in the middle. I am well aware of WP:NOTCENSORED but this has not improved the article at all.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Dnepropetrovsk maniacs § Censorship of the image

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Dnepropetrovsk maniacs § Censorship of the image. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, hope you are well. Since our disagreement on Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting has appeared to come to a standstill and no other editors have weighed in, I've requested a third opinion, which can be found here: Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Active_disagreements. Happieryet (talk) 03:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't forgotten about this and was taking a timeout to see if other editors responded.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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Kaynbred

On the Kaynbred user talk page, you argue against the position that Kaynbred was Adam Lanza. You claim that all evidence is "circumstantial", and based around blind conjecture by speculators. The fact that that was replied in 2016 proves to me that you simply have not researched very well/far, considering the DESPP books were released by the state of Connecticut in December of 2013. In 00215670.pdf, 00240684.pdf, and 00215730.pdf of Book 4 of the first DESPP batch, information pertaining to the account (specifically in its connection with mg14c, the Combat Arms clan), is requested from both Google and Nexon. On the mg14c clan page on the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20100206035841/http://mg14c.net/portal.php), user 'Kaynbred' posts a "child" photo (which he later edited and deleted), one user commented on the 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' merchandise the child in the photo was wearing. A photo found on Adam Lanza's external USB hard drive (exhibit #24) includes a file labelled 'kayntdlr' (presumably kayn toddler) depicting a young child holding a toy gun wearing TMNT pajamas. Also found on that HD were two files labelled "kaynsu1" and "kaynsu2" which depicted the shooter holding a handgun and a shotgun to his head. From just this, it's pretty obvious that the shooter often referred to himself and was referred to by others as "Kayn"/"Kyn". Kaynbred's location, as listed on forums such as thehighroad.com and on the mg14c clan page, is always listed as Connecticut. 172 Combat Arms screenshots were discovered on the same hard drive I previously mentioned (in use from 2008-2011). I don't even know how I can elaborate on the topic any further, given that this has long been confirmed (since the release of the DESPP books in December of 2013). The evidence is in his computer files, not in the forum dates. In case you want to confirm these computer files I am siting, see 00194691.pdf,Book 4 of DESPP Batch 1). Not to mention that IP searches have revealed the Kaynbred was in the Newtown area. If you consider all of this circumstantial, I really just don't know what to say to you. PostalGuy (talk) 04:45, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

This should be raised at Talk:Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting for further discussion. We know from the 2013 DESPP documents that Adam Lanza seems to have had the use name Kaynbred on Combat Arms.[4] This is obviously important evidence linking him to this particular username. Wikipedia had no logs of the IP addresses used to make the Kaynbred edits in 2009-10, and told investigators this in 2013 (the logs only go back about 90 days).--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:58, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

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Your user page

The set up of your user page makes it impossible for mobile users to navigate through the links on it, in case you wouldn't mind fixing that. XeCyranium (talk) 01:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what this means, could you expand. It was created on a laptop and works ok in the browser.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Had a look at this on Android and Chrome browser (screenshot). It was OK apart from:

The bouncing globe didn't work.
The PGP public key was not collapsed.
The link to the SMPTE bars video did not work.

Unfortunately it is hard to guarantee that the mobile version will look exactly the same as the desktop version, because the mobile version is aimed mainly at displaying basic text and images.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Class 52 Western's withdrawal list

The withdrawal list was added as information regarding withdrawal dates is missing for members of the class starting from D1051 to D1073. The information was sourced from BR Loco Database and shows an accurate list on loco's on when the locos entered service and then withdrawn alongside when they we're scrapped. https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=class&type=D&id=42

This article is NOT to be reverted as the information on the website is accurate and has been included in the wikipedia article showing when they we're all took out of service and which units from those years was saved. 77.103.154.52 (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

George Lazennby

He was the second Eon production Bond, and the fourth overall. Ever heard of Barry Nelson? Fep1970 (talk) 13:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm well aware of this. But the article says "He was the second actor to portray fictional British secret agent James Bond in the Eon Productions film series" so this doesn't include Barry Nelson or David Niven, as these were not made by Eon Productions.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

The C. Smith Changes

Hey - feel free to roll back any changes - I just thought it needed to be higher in the article - I lived in Rochdale in that time period - and I met Smith a few times - I think the fact we all new the stories back in the 70s needed some clarity. Cheers BeingObjective (talk) 22:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

One of the interesting things about Cyril Smith is that he had ample opportunities to sue for libel over the allegations published against him during his lifetime, but he never did. This was a wise decision, as the police believed that he should have been prosecuted, but never was.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Well someone pinged me and stated I was vandalizing - as this is really just a paraphrase from a section lower in the article - I am not sure how this can be - I think it reads fine as is tbh.

I did think the fact this was all known in his lifetime - needs to be higher in the article - - there is so much data on the topic - but this came from within this very article - I just moved it and condensed a tad - not sure on the vandal claim. BeingObjective (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Unspecified Reason for Deletion

Hey. I see you removed my topic I added on Kaynbred's talk page. Why? I spent a whopping 10 minutes of my life typing that, and then you come along and delete the 2,918 characters I typed. You could have at least, you know, gave a reason as to why? Or just left it alone? If you did not like my opinion, you could have just said something. Seriously, I did not think anyone was there anymore, but I thought if someone was, they could have spoke up instead of deleting it for no clarified reason. C0smoNauticalMile (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk pages are not blogs for expressing personal opinions on a subject. You are free to post this in a blog etc, but it doesn't add anything that is likely to improve a Wikipedia article. The edit is still in the article history here if you would like to retrieve it and post it somewhere else.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I apologize, that was my fault. I have used Wikipedia for editing for several years, but this is a newer account. I never edited or spoke on a talk page, so I would not know that prior to the topic I added. I personally am very interested in Adam's case, so I figured the best location would be his main talk page. You have used Wikipedia for much more time than I have (18 years compared to 8 years), so I will take your word for it. C0smoNauticalMile (talk) 19:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Big Buck Bunny edit

Would appreciate if you put back my edit - in video circles BBB is used all the time and you see it in trade show demos everywhere I said why it is and there is even a parody of it in the link I'm not making this up Kev Lambert (talk) 19:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

There is a need for proper sourcing. Also the tone of this edit wasn't very encyclopedic.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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I hear you get attractive footwear, a free themed armband and some very durable jewellery. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Robinson knew that he was the subject of a Section 35 of the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 order banning him from appearing at the antisemitism rally. He claimed that he was there as a journalist (cough, cough). He also knows that there is no such thing as bad publicity, so he can't have been too sad about all of the media coverage that this has generated for him.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

As you know, I won't hear a bad word said against him. But I was a bit surprised that it took "more than 20 officers" to arrest him. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

My edits at David Amess' murder article

I just want to let you know that I am the same editor who put in edits to various Jimmy Savile articles, such as sources for "The Reckoning". My edits on the David Amess Murder article have been reverted on the basis that "my Nanny is part of The Music Man Project". To explain in full, I was born and have lived in Southend but only came to know of Amess the day he died; the event affected me in my own way, even though I never heard of him, probably because politics is not really my thing and I am a young man with autism. Even so, I tried to write as unbiased as possible, even linking articles such as the Guardian and Manchester evening news, which cite witness accounts to describe the attack as it happened and how Amess' killer reacted to his verdict. When it came to the arrest, because I feel that Ali should not get much recognition, I don't want to write (as shown on the Guardian article) that Amess' killer was calling his sister on the phone when he was arrested. I also changed "legal proceedings" to "trial", swapped "reactions" around and described Ali's horrific behaviour during the attack and after the verdict, as well as Amess' family statement that they felt no elation at the verdict. I do think the Guardian articles could be worth staying and the description of the events that happened could be kept/rewritten to reflect the articles' description of events, though I do think my bad grammar could be fixed. I feel obligated if you could help out my writing/sources with your own version. If you think it's unneeded/lengthened too much, I can completely understand that. The event affected all of us, even my mum and nan and every person in Southend, I'm sure. And I feel it should be more worth remembering Amess than his death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_David_Amess&diff=prev&oldid=1189927451

~~ 92.17.199.182 (talk) 22:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.5.56.242

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.150.4.111

Basically, I was the previous editors linked above.

92.17.199.182 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

This should be discussed at Talk:Murder of David Amess because it is article related. Edits need consensus and should be based on reliable sources.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Murder_of_David_Amess#Should_this_article_reflect_trial_accounts_of_the_attack/Ali’s_behaviour? 92.17.199.182 (talk) 13:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Wombling Happy Christmas

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Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed

Liked your post here re: a perp's purported screen-name. Thanks for being so eloquent & thorough. Shearonink (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope that this doesn't become another "we must have this because source x said it" type of debate. There is some evidence that Lanza may have made the Smiggles call to a radio station, but it is not overwhelming. This has been known about since 2014 and nothing much has changed since then.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Seems to me that the only way to perhaps solve this issue would be to contact the original news purveyors/reporters - whomever supposedly reported it/said it and ask them now, today what is your proof, who told you that, when were you told. The way the various statements were crafted, even in those early days after the event when so much hearsay was stated as if it was all absolute information, says to me that the writers weren't ready to state even then the hearsay & the rumor as unequivocal Fact. I have always kind of thought that this particular line was being pursued because people seem to want to prove that the perp edited these pages as a particular account...but maybe I'm wrong. Shearonink (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Squaring the Circle

Hello from Mexico

https://www.scribd.com/document/698849715/Squaring-the-Circle-Solution-Cuadratura-del-Circulo-Solucion 201.141.55.15 (talk) 18:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

It says "Notice This document has been removed from Scribd" so it doesn't look like I will be reading it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Your e-mail

Please don't e-mail me asking for page protection. Use WP:RFPP.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, the only reason I did this is due to ongoing disruption and I cannot go round in circles looking at this page.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)