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your blanket revert of several editors contributions including at least 4 edits of mine in circumcision main article

In labelling these precipitate four reversions, you cite primary sources, undue, unconstructive, and medical referencing . The WHO document is secondary source. As is the NYT. The Israeli clinical large cohort primary source supports and assists the other secondary sources in the article section. Two are Pub Meds. The NYT article/secondary is not required to be "med" compliant as it is describing a dangerous religious/cultural procedure, often apparently carried out without prior notice to the parents ! Please reconsider your hasty actions or attempt a WP compliant justification for each edit on the discussion page.--— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 15:31, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Astronomical Unit

I'm not sure why you undid edits in Astronomical Unit, specifically here. The reversion doesn't seem an improvement (removed several references which are relevant and cleaning up of century abbreviations), so I undid your change. Was it a mistake? The lack of comment in the edit history leaves us without a clue as to what your motivation was. Regards, Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 17:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tarl. As far as I can see the abbreviation "ua" for "Atronomical unit" is based on French "Unité astronomique" and has negligible proliferation in English. In your version of the lede it seemed to be given equal weight to the much more common "au". This is giving the abbreviation "ua" undue weight. It almost seems that that version attempts to advance the usage of "ua" for its own sake. Wikipedia is not an instrument for promoting new ideas, and writing up "ua" makes the article more confusing. Heptor talk 13:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
In addition, the refernce for "ua" is outdated. It claims that 1 astronimical unit is 1.495 978 706 91 (6) × 10^11 m, while the International Astronomical Unit defines it as exactly 149,597,870,700 m. Heptor talk 13:29, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
The issue is that "ua" is an acceptable (and standardized) abbreviation. Not all information people interact with is strict text with a language associated - it may be tables of numbers with abbreviations, it may be diagrams, which would not require the user be fluent in the language of the author. This being one of the few (or perhaps only) abbreviation which has multiple forms standardized, it's worth keeping track of the alternate forms - note that it's not just French which uses "ua", it's all romance languages. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
The issue is that very few persons prefer "ua" as abbreviation for "Astronomical Unit" in English. They repesent a fringe view, and according to WP:Undue Weight they should not be given the same representation as the majority view. In this case use of "ua" in English is so small that I don't think they deserve a mention at all. If somebody is reading and article in French or other other Romance language article, than he/she could look up the definition in that language, eg fr:Unité_astronomique.
I disagree that the SI is a "fringe view". From various other comments I've seen on the talk page, it appears others consider this a meaningful abbreviation as well. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 20:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
In this case it's a close call - "ua" is just not English. But I did google up some actual usage. So I guess it should be mentioned, as long as it is not presented as equivalent to "au". Heptor talk 13:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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You reverted two of my edits, each proposing a tweak of the statement that I assume you found objectionable. You did not respond to the comment I placed on your talk page and all I hear from you is this notice. I do not find this to be very constructive. Heptor talk 21:38, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Actually, you did respond. I didn't notice, sorry. Heptor talk 21:39, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Please propose a name change on the talk page and get feedback before initiating a move. --NeilN talk to me 17:43, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, did it now. Heptor talk 17:48, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

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Irina, it was very kind of you to inform me of your wide grasp of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. As per WP:NPOV, I submitted our content dispute to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. I have notified you of the fact on your talk page. The state of your your policy insight being as mentioned above, I assume that you will have no difficulties in adhering to the policies yourself; although, given the rather unconstrained style of your previous communications I feel quite enticed to remind you of other policies that may be relevant in dispute resolution, such as Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Civility. With hopes of making the best of all possible Wikipedias, Heptor talk 20:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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1) Didn't revert 3 times in 24 hours please review the log, 2) The latest revert was partial, with an attempt to reach a compromise, 3) Please review the discussion page and the relevant section in the NPOV noticeboard.

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3RR might or might not be correct, but you were very obviously edit warring. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 14:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


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I thought it was a case of revert-ignore. I would argue that the diff that I reverted contributes nothing except advancing a point of view. I tried to discuss the issue with the other editor, all I got was a winded and irrelevant list of policies that I supposedly violated. Heptor talk 09:12, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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OK OK, thanks for reminding :=) Heptor talk 14:46, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of my notification template

Heptor, I would appreciate it if you would self-revert/remove the section break and title you have added here. Per WP:TALKO, you are misrepresenting the context in which I issued the template (i.e., as the third warning in a series for this month). By reinventing it as being separate from the context, you appear to be intentionally trying to support the contention of 'threatening messages' left by me on your talk page and assuming bad faith on my behalf.

Whether you recall or not, we have had discussions in the past - that is, during the inception of the war and articles surrounding it where you were making WP:BOLD changes without joining in discussions on the corresponding talk pages. In your defence, you were a newbie and you willingly and actively complied with the request to follow best practice.

The fact that these types of articles fall off editors' radars, and that Axxxion's changes were not picked up on and reverted immediately makes his content changes neither valid nor consensus. Janitorial work can take time to get to. As regards your other content removed when I rolled back to reasonable consensus version, please explain what this edit summary actually means, and supply reliable sources for the population field you added to the infobox. WP:CALC is permissible (even desirable) in some articles, but A) the LPR is not a recognised entity; B) even if such an estimate were appropriate, you must be able to WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. I'm aware of no valid census, nor any evidence that the fact that people still living there have chosen to do so because they willingly live under the auspices of LPR governance: generally, given the exodus of refugees from the war, the nothing to indicate how many people actually still live within the borders of the 'state'. In fact, there is no evidence that it is anything other than an unrecognised military state. Thanks. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

April 2018

Information icon Hello, I'm Peaceray. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to RF resonant cavity thruster seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please discuss you proposed changes on the talk page. Peaceray (talk) 21:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Peaceray. WP:NPV applies to legitimate scientific disagreement. It requires fair representation of significant alternatives to scientific orthodoxy. Significant alternatives, in this case, refers to legitimate scientific disagreement, as opposed to pseudoscience. See WP:PSCI for details. Heptor talk 22:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I realize that there has been quite a bit of controversy about this & that skeptics demand extraordinary verification for extraordinary phenomena. However, there has been considerable discussion about this on the talk page, & before I reverted your edits, I did not see your participation. The fact that both the U.S. & Chinese governments are going to great lengths to test this, & that multiple tests (albeit with their own sets of problems) have reported positive results mean that we cannot dismiss the phenomena out of hand, even if we are ignorant of the how & why. As a result, I am sure that we will find flaws in the experiments or need to adjust our understanding of physics. But to simply dismiss this as fiction as you were attempting is WP:POV IMHO, particularly without participating in the WP:CONSENSUS on the talk page. I know that the idea of consensus may not sit well with those who feel that this obviously violates the law of physics, but consensus is how we operate here on Wikipedia. I also know enough about science to realize that while most claims & hypotheses are disproved, there are somethings that experts doubt that turns out to be real; witness Einstein's dismissal of quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance". Peaceray (talk) 23:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
The same arguments have been used in many other pseudoscience-related topics, see for example talk:Homeopathy. It is not unusual that there are some unexplained results in the published works. They can be due to chance, errors in experiment, or outright falsification. That is the reason why extraordianry claims do in fact require extraordinary verification. So we have that the evidence of effectiveness are flimsy, and the claimed principle of operation counterdicts the known laws of nature. So it's pseudoscience, and it should be labeled as pseudoscience per WP policy. Heptor talk 23:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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Peaceray, your aggressive spamming of my talk page is not appreciated. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policy on pseudoscientific topics, and participate in the discussion on the talk page of the article. Heptor talk 13:34, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
For the benifit of uninvolved editors who are reading the above, I made two separate and distinct edits to the article in question: [1][2]. After that I started a discussion on the talk page. It is unfortunate that Peaceray found my edits unconstructive, but posting abusive templates that insinuate authority on my talk page is uncalled for, constitute POV railroading, and, more worryingly, create an superficial impression that I engaged in bad-faith editing, which I havn't. Heptor talk 22:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Heptor, I do a lot of page patrolling & use Twinkle to notify users of what I perceive to be policy violations. I perceive that you calling the EM Drive a "fiction" to be in total disregard of the cited sources & long standing editing consensus. I believed that to be a POV violation on your part, & in reading your talk archives, I have grown to suspect that you may disregard & sometimes even remove reliable sources with which you disagree. There has been a lot of discussion about this article & a considerable WP:EDITCONSENSUS before you started to call it pseudoscience because you are of the opinion that the experimental results unequivocally violate Newton's third law of motion. In short, you do not believe NASA's experimental results, while others are slower to judgement, allowing something may be going on that we cannot yet explain.
I do not accept that NASA's Eagleworks Laboratories are fakirs any more than I would accept moon landing conspiracy theories.
I am already familiar with WP:PSCI largely through some editing I have done on WikiProject Medicine articles, which are governed by the stricter WP:MEDRS. If & when we see an explanation that discounts the EM Drive results, then it will be incumbent on us to state that. But right now we have results and no explanation either way, so it is our obligation to report the results in WP:NPOV. Period.
When I place warning templates, I understand they are usually not appreciated. That is not their purpose. I place them to draw attention to my perception that there was violations of policy or guidelines. I have not been dissuaded in my assessment, & thus find your accusations of POV railroading ironic. I am only responding because you challenged my actions. I do not intend to respond here further. I invite any interested editor, uninvolved or otherwise, to examine our respective edit histories before coming to any judgements in this matter.
Peaceray (talk) 05:26, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello Peaceray. If you edited on pseudoscientific topics before, you should know that most pseodoscientific topics have at least some strange results published in seamingly legitimate fora. For Homeopathy this includes the infamous study by Jacques Benveniste, which claimed there was water memory. It got published in Nature, but never legitimately reproduced. Your comparison of this NASA study to the Moon Landing is painfully out of proportion. Several other publications point out possible sources of experimental error, including Snopes and Phys.org. These sources also point out that the design has no physically plausible mechanism of action (i.e. would violate the laws of physics if it worked). This is also largely parallell to the state of the art in Homeopathy and related fields. Also similar to Homeopathy, proponents of the theory suggest all kinds of explanations based on principles of nature that the mainstream physics community somehow missed out.
I understand that you hold the opinion you hold in good faith. Use of policy violation templates in a content dispute is generally not a good faith practice however. Heptor (talk) 09:26, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Luhansk Peoples Republic

Stop icon This is your only warning; if you move a page maliciously again, as you did at Lugansk People's Republic, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:54, 19 April 2018 (UTC) [EDIT] Per discussion on my own talk. Move was in good faith, not malicious. Collaborative discussions on how to improve the article are underway. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

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your response to my post on the Lugansk People Republic page, so far there is none. Nor is there any valid source to support "Luhansk People Republic".Axxxion (talk) 23:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate your patience as well as your impatience, Axxxion. Heptor (talk) 23:50, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

English language variants attached to an article, plus date format

Hi, Heptor. Just as a heads up, always open articles in the full edit view to check whether it is templated for a particular English language variant (as well as date format). In the case of Luhansk People's Republic, it is templated for EngvarB, as well as day/month/year formatting for the body and citations. See MOS:ENGVAR, MOS:RETAIN, MOS:TIES, etc. for details. The subject matter doesn't have any ties to North American English or British English, so it uses a more generic form of spelling (which includes "colour", "labour", "-ise" endings in favour of "ize" endings.

If it isn't templated for any particular form of English, it's best to go back to its earliest history and check to see whether it was written in an obvious variant in the first place. If so, MOS:RETAIN should be adhered to. Cheers, and keep up the good work! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! MOS:ENGVAR was a good read. By the way, are "-our", "-ise" endings more generic? I thought they were British? Heptor (talk) 16:44, 11 May 2018 (UT

MH17

DSB listed 9 war zones in 2014 where airspace above 10 km wasn't closed. Russia smuggled the Buk into Ukraine at night July 17. Unconfirmed sightings were reported on social media in midday — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.73.200 (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@78.147.73.200: thanks for your comment. The fact that you mention has been discussed in Talk:Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Ukraine's_responsibility, and you are most welcome to participate in that discussion. Discussing the article content on a user's talk page is somewhat misplaced, since such discussions should be open for other editors who may want to participate. Heptor (talk) 20:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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I didn't actually write that comment, but deleting comments from a talk page is grossly inappropriate. Heptor (talk) 11:14, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Actually it is entirely appropriate under WP:TALKNO, but other editors may disagree, as in this case it was just hidden instead. - Ahunt (talk) 12:13, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

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EM drive

I'm using the term "known laws of physics" deliberately. While we have a very. very good model of the physical universe in the form of the Standard Model, it is not definitely the be-all and end-all of knowledge; there may be extra physical laws to add in the future, or some of the existing physical laws may turn out to be special cases of more general laws. (However, none of this should be taken providing a get-out for the EM drive claims; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there's no sign that the observed EM drive measurements are due to anything but experimental artifacts.) -- The Anome (talk) 16:08, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

It’s a complicated debate, I’ll give you that. I also considered to add the word “known” in that place. For me “known laws of physics” just rolls off a bit more smoothly. Still, it also seems to be unnecessarily defensive, directing the reader to speculate if unknown laws of physics could perhaps make the EM drive work after all; this is unnecessary because any kind of half-cooked shenanigans could in principle turn out to work due to unknown laws of physics. So that’s why I thought it better not to have it, but I respect your opinion if you disagree. Heptor (talk) 22:40, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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Condescending tone while you were wrong

Please don't use such a condescending tone to me or any other Wikipedia editor as you did here. By the way, the/my edit you revered there had nothing to do with POV; but with the English Wikipedia policy to use common English names & for consistency on using names throughout Wikipedia and inside Wikipedia articles. Now the article on Luhansk People's Republic uses two different spellings of "Luhansk"; that looks just daft and makes the complete article look inconsistent. Besides on the talkpage Talk:Luhansk People's Republic the only one who agreed that both spellings are correct seems to be you and maybe one other editor; that is not a consensus. (I did not study the talkpage extensively because I rather spend time improving the article, not on talkpages.) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Your edit I talked about here above has already been reverted. So now the whole article uses only one spelling of "Luhansk", just like it should. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Hello Yulia. It's quite regrettable if my comment came off as condescening. On the other hand, I have to say that your own comment here comes off as rather unfriendly and I hope this isn't your reflected intention. There is no discussion about the title of the article. I thought it would be nice if editors could use whichever spelling they preferred inside the article, but apparently there is a consensus not to do that, which I do have to follow. Heptor (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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Luhansk Article

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You seem to have taken a special interest in the Luhansk People's Republic article. I also am interested in this topic and would like to cooperate for the improvement of said article. Sorry to bother, have a wonderful day.

Flalf (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

That article can certainly use an extra pair of hands. I think you are improving it, I'll be quite happy to work with you. Heptor (talk) 18:11, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
I don't really know how this works but thank you for your contributions on the Luhansk People's Republic Article. Flalf (talk) 03:01, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

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The alleged downing of An-26 that Girkin boasted about it covered in this section here[3] but it perhaps deserves a mention in the lead too. You probably searched for "Antonov" but it's "An-26" there :) Cloud200 (talk) 19:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, found that section now. Looks like that text got moved and not removed as I thought. I think it should be mentioned in the lead, my concern is that the text I added implies a conclusion that the rebels shot the plane by accident, and tried to cover it up. I'm not sure if there is a full agreement about this in the sources. Heptor (talk) 21:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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Can get further sanctions if they continue to post, so unless you want them to get a block I suggest stop responding to them.Slatersteven (talk) 11:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I see... Heptor (talk) 11:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Read WP:BLOCK the user is not allowed to edit any page in the area of their ban. As you have some sympathy with Александр Мотин I suggest you warn them, as every time I have warned them they have treated it like attacks on him.Slatersteven (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
I was going to, but the events got ahead of it. Starting to suspect I'm the only one with a job around here Heptor (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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Quick English tip: Regarding this edit summary, "outlet" can actually refer to media stations: wikt:media outlet. Stickee (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, "media outlet" would have worked fine. The word "outlet" alone gave me a pause. Heptor (talk) 14:56, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

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Okay I have given a reasonably in depth review of half of the article at Talk:Homeopathy/GA2, but feel the Evidence and efficacy section is not focused enough for this to be considered a Good Article at this stage. This was brought up at the last reassessment (Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Homeopathy/2). I started a discussion regarding splitting out this section at Talk:Homeopathy#Split Evidence and efficacy as this is one solution. I am going to stop there for now. AIRcorn (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War → Casualties of the Ukrainian crisis

Hey Heptor, I was against the move/renaming since it was undiscussed and thus I earlier requested it be reverted back. But since two more editors appeared to be against the reverting back to the old title I dropped the issue. However, since two of the three editors (including the one who made the undiscussed move) turned out to be the same person (an apparently known indefinitely blocked sock puppeteer) then I think the whole undiscussed move was controversial. Thus reverting back to the "crisis" title may be the most appropriate action. EkoGraf (talk) 17:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

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