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Greenman

Are you on the Pay Roll of the Dictator Jose Eduardo dos Santos?

If not, why are you placing the Sao Tome Born Dictator with a clear violation of Wikipedias rules on verifiable content. No one known in "angola" where this sun of both Parents of Sao tome Island was born what they know is that he was not born in "angola" but apparantly you seem to have seen the unexistant birth certificate of the Dictator.

Also it is very suspicious and shows what kind of a individual you are not by not having the balls of placing your real name.

The world is a sad and remains more ignorant and misinformed ny individuals such as you.

Sincerely and yours truly, etc..., etc....

Rui Gabirro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabirro (talk • contribs) 22:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Redlink essay

I am tempted to nominate Wikipedia:Write the article first for deletion. Please respond to my comment at the essay's talk page. SpinningSpark 01:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Gregory Kytides

Hi Greenman. You removed the PROD from this article, indicating that there was ample evidence that he existed. I still haven't been able to find anything other than Wikipedia mirrors. (I haven't tried searching in Greek, though.) Can you add a reliable source to the article? Thanks! Pburka (talk) 03:19, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

History of South Africa

Communicat's edit may have appeared "valid and sourced". It may even be so. However, Communicat has a record of selective quoting, misquoting, or not reading sources he lists;[1] [2] pushing a fringe POV;[3][4] and plagiarism.[5] Have you checked the actual sources to see if they are reliable and that Communicat used them accurately? Edward321 (talk) 13:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Response Greenman (talk) 19:07, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the response and I concur with addressing the subject on the talk page. The more eyes on this, the better. Edward321 (talk) 00:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Currie Cup team names

Hi there, There are two issues here.

Firstly, you changed templates linking a team name to a URL. For example, you changed {{Rut DHL Western Province}} to show text "Western Province" instead of "DHL Western Province". If someone used it as follows: "{{Rut Western Province}} - also known as {{Rut DHL Western Province}} for sponsorship reasons", that would now display as "Western Province, also known as Western Province for sponsorship reasons", which doesn't make sense at all. There are other templates set up for all teams without their sponsored names, so the correct action would've been to use the other templates instead.

The second issue is the usage of the sponsorship name in team names (which I would concede might be open for discussion). Why should common names be used? I fully agree that the article names for the teams should be their common names (with no more than a reference to their sponsored name on the page). Yet, the articles you changed referred to specific Currie Cup seasons. In the 2011 Currie Cup season, for example, the team is called "DHL Western Province". If you look at the fixtures, the results, match report etc., on the official site, the sponsored name is used, which is a sure indication that that's the team name recognised in this competition by the governing body. Again, using Western Province as an example, on their official site, the fixtures, logs and match reports use the sponsored name as the actual team name.

I definitely do not propose that it be changed in articles regarding the history of the Currie Cup, etc., but surely using the team name that a team played under for a season should be used in an article regarding that season? TheMightyPeanut (talk) 15:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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If you need my help with this article, ask me; my sense is to shorten it (remove unreferenced stuff), and the intro should give a better sense of what it's about, how popular or prevalent it is, etc. This is one of those situations I think in which less is more -- in this case, much more, and that tightening and honing the article will help it survive.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:18, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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Rui Gabirro

I just saw your "last warning" note to Rui Gabirro. It so happens that he has reseivend several of these, and kept on in the same vein, over something like two years, especially when it comes to José Eduardo dos Santos. Isn't it time to go a step further and apply effective sansctions? -- Aflis (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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ANI

I got sidetracked with company at the house and haven't been able to reply until now, but I had to inform your friend that you brought him to ANI. If you look at the top of the ANI page, it shows you the template to put on their page and is pretty clear that it isn't optional. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks. Dennis Brown 2¢ © 21:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I had added a notice on his page - see this diff. The duplicate has since been removed by another editor. Greenman (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, you had put it on top of the page instead of at the bottom, so it threw me. I'm thinking at the bottom is a better choice, but you certainly did notify him. Dennis Brown 2¢ © 00:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

brigman made an honest mistake

Hi Greenman, apologies for the hassle I caused. I mis-read this web page and assumed too much. Please examine my other edits and note that they have all been entirely constructive (i.e. this is without precedent). In light of this, please remove any tags that have been placed on my user account.

Kind regards,

brigman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brigman (talk • contribs) 01:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Kagiso

Hi there Greenman we are an organization in the City of Kagiso and are sincerely asking to just reference the Kagiso page with our website http://www dot kagisotownship dot co dot za . This is an information system about knowledge of our city.

Yours Sincerely Kagiso — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaswiJoy (talk • contribs) 07:59, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Response. Greenman (talk) 20:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Greenman please guide us on how to add a reference on the kagiso page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaswiJoy (talk • contribs) 11:01, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

SBW fight

Please, before you go around alleging that the fight was fixed please provide definitive proof that states it was fixed, rather than throwing in the negative opinions of every Tom, Dick and Harry you can possibly find. Thankyou.Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 03:47, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not opinions. I provided multiple sources that Botha and others claimed the fight was fixed. Whether you or I believe it was is not important. Greenman (talk) 17:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

If you had cared to ask before accusing me you would have discovered that the reason i didn't have an edit summary was because i used the rollback feature, which does not allow an edit summary. That is why i then bothered to add this section on your talk page to clarify my reasoning for my edit. I agree completely that Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. However, you have completely contradicted yourself: you say "Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not opinions", but you then go ahead adding the very opinions of others such as Botha, Lewis e.t.c. Yes the source must be reliable such as a reputable news website, but the information in the source must also be reliable. And the unreliable (and later disproven) comments of a just proven drug cheat and others who have no intimate knowledge of the whole SBW-Botha saga should not be included in any reputable encyclopedia. It has been proven by Botha's own manager that the bout was shortened just BEFORE the fight - not during as you would like to have added in the article. Wikipedia is not the place to add disproven information, no matter the actual source of that information. Thankyou.Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 01:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I suggest reading up on Wikipedia policies, for example Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth, which makes it very clear that one " 'may not remove sources' views from articles simply because they disagree with them." Greenman (talk) 07:17, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I am not removing content simply because i "disagree with them". You stating such an argument only proves you have not taken much notice of my comments. I stated very clearly - but let me repeat - that i removed the edits because they have been proven as false. To continue arguing for their inclusion is unwarranted because they are clearly false. Let me ask you: If the Wikipedia article on the planet earth clearly states based upon proven science that the earth is a sphere, do we then add as probable fact that the opinions of centuries ago stating that it is flat are true? I hope we can come to a logical and sensical resolution of this issue. Thankyou.Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 09:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Please discuss the article on that article's talk page so that others interested can follow. You have been requested to do this before by other editors. Any further comments here will be deleted. Greenman (talk) 13:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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SBW

I don't think that source should be used to authenticate SBW didn't secure that WBA title. 1. It states that Botha was leading on points when it was the other way round. 2. It states a WBA official without naming or quoting them. 3. It's a South African source without any other news agency reporting this WBA matter. If SBW really isn't the holder of the title then one would expect many more agencies to report this recent revelation - but none have.Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

The claim was unsourced, and I added a sourced version. If you wish to dispute it, find a reliable source. Greenman (talk) 08:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you please explain how you came to the conclusion that the claim is unsourced? I find this very strange when it is clearly referenced in the SBW & Botha articles. & you also didn't answer even 1 of my points above if you want to talk about reliable sources.Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 15:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Lev David

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Illegality of homosexual act under the new constitution

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Thanks, I didn't understand the original edit summary, but makes sense now. Greenman (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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Shivambu

Hi. If you do a search for Shivambu (which is the surname of a South African politician) the redirect takes you to Urine therapy. I will change the redirect to give both options rather than put a hatnote at the top Gbawden (talk) 06:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Gbawden, thanks, I couldn't make sense of the edit and didn't have a chance to follow up further at the time. That will be a better solution. Having urine therapy appear as the first sentence related to a living person is not ideal :) Greenman (talk) 19:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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The original Barnstar

Thank you Greenman. I'm humbled.--Faintsmoke (talk) 16:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

ICC Test Championship standings in articles on Test cricket teams

Without intending to be rude, may I ask if it is really necessary to include the ICC Test Championship standings at the start of the respective Records sections in the articles on the ten national cricket teams that have Test status?

The championship was only introduced in 2003, and only takes into account Test matches played in the last four years. And it is only a notional competition, even if the top-ranked team gets to hold a trophy. Bluebird207 (talk) 10:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I think it's interesting to see where a team sits in the current standings. Greenman (talk) 20:39, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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Volkswagen Golf edits

• Not going to edit-war with you, but a bluelink is emphatically not enough of a reference for that edit. You still need to put an inline reference in. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Lukeno94 No, but if you follow the link, there's an external reference. Greenman (talk) 19:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

• Doesn't matter. It still needs a reference in the Golf article. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:23, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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Terrorist and NPOV

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