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Ulala's New Voice Actor

Sorry, I didn't know. However, both SEGA and Grounding confirmed that Ulala was getting a new voice actor for the new upcoming Space Channel 5 remake called Space Channel 5 VR: Kinda Funky News Flash. The game itself is set to be released in 2019, but informational sources such as Twitter confirmed that Ulala is going to be voiced by Cherami Leigh succeeding Apollo Smile, who will no longer be voicing her.

Maine CD2

I would remind you about edit warring; even if you are correct, edit warring is not permitted. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

No need. I'd be happy if you'd point out where I have violated that policy. General Ization Talk 20:00, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean; the last revert did indeed cross a line. Do you want me to revert myself? General Ization Talk 20:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, that's problematic, since the other editor already reverted (so I would be reverting to their previous reversion, same as the current). I'll just leave it here. General Ization Talk 20:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
I reverted it as that should make it the way it was before the addition, to allow for discussion. 331dot (talk) 20:07, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. General Ization Talk 20:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Embarrassing fact...

I accidentally thanked this edit... What a shame! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 13:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

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PiS your revert

[1] You reverted to version 866789702 commenting "This is the version before the edit war started." There was a disc and consensus to adapt the political position and ideology section. [2], [3], [4]. I communicated the changes [5], [6], [7], [8]; provided fresh news/sources [9], [10], [11] and even announced the changes [12], [13].
The user RJFF [14], Vif12vf [15], Wroclaw2468 [16] and Mélencron [17] did the reverts without participating in the disc and without any consensus.
Therfor I would ask you to revert back to version 867073714. Kind rgds --84.226.141.191 (talk) 17:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Consensus is subject to change. It is not simply a small number of editors expressing consent. RJFF has participated in the discussion and offered an alternative view. There is currently no consensus, and I will not revert to your preferred version. General Ization Talk 18:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Consenus can change. But then "Editors who revert a change proposed by an edit should generally avoid terse explanations (such as "against consensus") which provide little guidance to the proposing editor (or, if you do use such terse explanations, it is helpful to also include a link to the discussion where the consensus was formed). I have made an effort here to show the links resulting in the consenus. user:RJFF did not participate in the disc before reverting my edit. So why are you resisting to revert to version 867073714 before EW started (as it is good practise in WP)? --84.226.141.191 (talk) 18:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
I see appropriate explanations in edit summaries for the reversion of your edits. My reasoning is explained quite clearly above. Also, is Unfiltered1984 your registered account? I have reason to believe it is. General Ization Talk 18:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
You don't address my points (like editor's obligations after changing without consensus / RJFF reverted without any disc beforhand / all other users that reverted afterwards did not & do not particpate in disc / good practise for restoring last version before EW started). Instead you refer me to "My reasoning is explained quite clearly above." I started here and prefer to edit as IP. I have created the user account as it was suggested by another user. What is the correct way to change it to the consensus reached 03.11. on talk page? --84.226.141.191 (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
There is a difference between suggesting something is helpful and an "obligation", and between that and a policy. Edit warring is a policy. Unless you are able to establish a clear consensus for the change you want to make, you do not have consensus for it, and if you edit war to assert it you will be blocked from editing. I trust this answers your questions. General Ization Talk 00:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

North Korea Censorship Incident

I was just messing around. Won't happen again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.193.249 (talk) 01:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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uw-vandalism3 on an IP's talk page

Hi! I noticed that you left a {{uw-vandalism3}} warning on an IP's talk page here, after they made self-reverting test edits on Talk:Harry Potter reading "harry potter is the best". This seems like a very serious bite for a harmless good-faith test; was the template a mistake? If so, I'm afraid the damage may have already been done but I'd recommend replacing it with a welcome message (or at worst, {{uw-selfrevert}}). Thanks! — Bilorv(c)(talk) 02:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Reason for removal

Hello general,

I noticed that yOu have been removing categories related to nizam's and hyderabad but, without any reason given.

Could you care to explain?

शुद्ध भारतीय (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@शुद्ध भारतीय: Both the category Category:Things named after 7th Nizam and its references were created by socks of a blocked Wikipedia user (User:Padmalakshmisx) in violation of their block. Such contributions are subject to immediate removal. Are you also a sock of that user? General Ization Talk 17:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
@शुद्ध भारतीय: That wasn't a rhetorical question. I can open an investigation to establish whether that's the case, but I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt. If I don't hear from you, I will set that inclination aside. General Ization Talk 17:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

lol, at 1st i was like why is anyone talking about sock (like asocks-shoes?!), no sir, dont have much time for all that. anything specific you wuold like to hear from me? please feel free to ask.शुद्ध भारतीय (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

Confirmed, blocked indef. General Ization Talk 14:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

American Politics editing

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Gary Anthony Williams

Please see Talk:Gary Anthony Williams.[18] Thank You. Ward20 (talk) 23:06, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

R. Lee Ermey

You reverted my addition to R. Lee Ermey's page, but he himself explicitly mentions his support for the Second Amendment in the video I cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealFolkBloos (talk • contribs) 22:14, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@TheRealFolkBloos: Actually no. He said that "You'd be surprised how many people don't even know that there's a Second Amendment; we need to bring them up to speed". You might infer that he supports the 2A, but that isn't what he said in that video, and we don't operate on inferences here. Either add a reliable source that clearly supports your statement, or your statement stays out. General Ization Talk 03:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Please also block

User:DasMage, he also spammed on Space Force, see contributions. Thanks.BlueD954 (talk) 04:50, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Island

Thanks for the thanks, but another editor has reverted my rewrite of the sourced material. You might wish to make your views known at Talk:Island (the only discussion currently open there). Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Looks like it's almost resolved now. General Ization Talk 13:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Martial arts pages vandalism

The same address that pasted the Taekwondo article on the Muay Thai page also pasted the article for Judo on the Taekwondo page (which I undid). 2601:14A:700:F2C6:F0A0:C8C7:DFDA:625C (talk) 08:50, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Why did you delete the state championship mention on the Verona page?

Why did you delete the mention about the boys state basketball win on Verona mos page? Mikehancho91 (talk) 06:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mikehancho91: Because it was a) unsourced and b) misplaced in the History section of the article. General Ization Talk 06:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your work today Hmains (talk) 03:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Response to your deleting

I intend to contest this. Your declaration that this is an illegitimate topic is entirely subjective. The train happens to have been the premier namesake train for the Ontario Northland Railway, as per the Official Guide for the Railways, 1945, 'Ontario Northland Railway.' I notice that you have left standing other items on the same disambiguation page lacking articles. To wit: "The Northland", those parts of the Kansas City metropolitan area north of the Missouri River

"Northland", a region in northeast Columbus, Ohio, USA This game (pre-existing article), a very dubious inclusion: Northland (computer game), published by Freeverse Software What is your authrotity to delete someone's work with no dialog before the act?Dogru144 (talk) 23:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

I will remind you that there are innumerable links to on disambiguation pages, items having no existing article or pre-existing article.Dogru144 (talk) 23:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Dogru144: This falls under the heading of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Just because there may be other items added to a list that should not be there under Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which have not yet been removed, does not mean that you should add more or that what you add should not be removed. As it stands, I have removed the redlink to the name of the train, since no article exists now, nor is it likely to be created because the individual train is not sufficiently notable to justify its own article. (If you disagree, create the page; see WP:WTAF.) The entry remains on the page only by virtue of the notability of the railway, though it may or may not remain if other editors take exception to it. As for the "innumerable" links having no articles, yes, there probably are, and a like number are removed from those lists each and every day. General Ization Talk 02:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I have, by the way, removed the computer game you mentioned for the same reason. General Ization Talk 02:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@Dogru144: As for authority, any Wikipedia editor may add or remove content when the addition or removal is in keeping with Wikipedia policies and/or guidelines (and, in some cases, consensus), and no editor may declare that other editors do not have the authority to do so. Please read WP:OWN carefully. General Ization Talk 02:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Response to your deleting : Mathieu Madénian

This is a very serious case that shakes the world of French and international humor as North American and European humorists are affected by this case.

We talk about it on the Internet, on television and on radio in France and abroad. As you will notice the sources are from French sites but also international web sites.

So what you just did is not appropriate.

So I ask that you review your judgment

--Susanowoo (talk) 23:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

See your Talk page, please. General Ization Talk 23:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Mass reverts

I changed the state capital articles to be the same as most national capitals, and was pre existing on some. P.S. I've never had 40+ reverts come through on alerts before; that was an experience. IWI (chat) 21:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Apologies if I startled you. Not sure about any differences between the national capital articles and state capitals, but any page that uses {{infobox settlement}} expects a specific type of settlement (or more, separated by and) in the settlement_type parameter. General Ization Talk 21:41, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Could you please be more careful in the future with rollback, your intentions were well but you can't blindly use a tool without checking each revert properly. This is something I would never do with rollback. IWI (chat) 12:13, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For your patient, enduring, commendable and valiant defense of Sealed crustless sandwich being categorized falsely as a "ravioli" by unfunny teenagers. Sıgehelmus (Tålk) 22:43, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

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Season Greetings

Merry Christmas General Ization


Hi General Ization, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,
May next year be prosperous and joyful.
   –Scopecreep Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 11.02, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Happy Christmas!
Hello General Ization,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 22:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Seasonal Greetings

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello General Ization, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,
7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:23, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello General Ization, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,
Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 06:01, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

User creating celebrity categories against WP:OCEPON after having many of them deleted per your nomination.

You previously dealt with this user and nominated many of their creations for deletion at [[19]] (others can be seen on that page as well.) This user is still creating these categories, and I was alerted to this through their addition of one of them in [this edit.] A quick look at their contributions shows many have not been dealt with. [[20]]. - R9tgokunks ⭕ 22:12, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

3RR on Dr William Ruto's Page

It seems that we are in some sort of picle regarding his doctoral tag. He as formally assumed the use of the tag hence warranting it's application in his page but you seem to be reverting it. Case on point is use on his official Twitter handle and refference by other individuals in the country. Please inform me what guided your reversion. please note that the Regards. Shadychiri (talk) 13:42, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Please note that he reffers to himself as husler and has come to be nicknamed as such, I'll give you sufficient local citation on that.

@Shadychiri: See MOS:DOCTOR. We do not use academic or honorific titles in the lead or infoboxes here, whether or not the subject prefers them. By the way, I suggest that you become familiar with the meaning here of "3RR" before you start throwing the term around. It doesn't mean what you think it means. As for the nickname, the fact that a Web site referred to him as a 'Hustler' (not Husler) doesn't mean that it's a commonly-used, much less accepted, nickname rather than an insult. It just means that it appeared in a web page headline. Lots of things appear on web sites we won't publish here. General Ization Talk 13:51, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

👆 more source will point that he ahas adopted the nickname hustler. Shadychiri (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, and, as is clear from that link, it is controversial and not widely accepted by Kenyans, even if Ruto likes it; hence we will not use it here. He can call himself whatever he likes. We don't need to indulge him. General Ization Talk 14:20, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
@Shadychiri: And then you went back and added it again. Please see Disruptive editing. General Ization Talk 18:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
      • I won't refer to it as disruptive editing because, as per the disruptive editing page citation below

...If editor restores, or unreverts: If sourced information appears this time around, do nothing; if not, revert again if they haven't responded at the talkpage. Ensure that a clear...

Citation was given. I see this as a POV issue rather than disruptive editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadychiri (talk • contribs) 18:34, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

USB flash drive

You reverted my edit for no good reason. Patents are valid sources for a text that says that a patent was filed. They are also legal proof of invention, and their (accepted) claims detail the inventive step (the "technology"). I will redo the edit without the patent reference for now, though I do think it should be allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flashdiskpioneer (talk • contribs) 20:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Flashdiskpioneer: Whatever you add, you'll need to include one or more citations of reliable sources that support the addition. For example, you can't mention "Amir Ban, Dov Moran and Oron Ogdan, all M-Systems employees at the time" without additional sources because none of those people are mentioned at any of the cited sources in this article. Unsourced content, especially pertaining to living persons, will be reverted. See also WP:BURDEN. General Ization Talk 20:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

The three people are the three named as inventors in the patent title page (link below for your convenience), and assignee is M-Systems. So I think my edit is very well-sourced.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US6148354.pdf

Happy new year, Flashdiskpioneer (talk) 20:18, 26 December 2018 (UTC) flashdiskpioneer

Yes, but you said "I will redo the edit without the patent reference for now", leading me to assume that the link you just mentioned would not be added. Also: see WP:PRIMARY concerning primary, secondary and tertiary sources. The patent document is a primary source, which we generally do not permit without relevant secondary or tertiary sources. General Ization Talk 20:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

You ought to read this.

Hi there. I think you ought to take a read of this when you have the chance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith

Cheers!82.71.26.252 (talk) 16:20, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Someone is posing as me

I received a ping for this edit by Myalternate account. After reading the edit summary, I can say for sure that's not me. I'm actually trying to avoid editing a lot on here because I got mentally exhausted by the edit-warring debacle and I don't want to endure another hassle like that. Seeing as you're the one who reverted that edit, I just wanted to let you know that I honestly didn't make that edit in the first place. Alivebills (talk) 05:02, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Alivebills: I believe you. There is a known LTA actor who does this (self-identifies as another, uninvolved editor at noticeboards in order to try to get them blocked for sockpuppetry) on a regular basis. General Ization Talk 13:35, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

David Bowie/Roy Harper

General Ization,

I left you a note last night, (this morning at 2am), which was grammatically wobbly. I have addressed these grammar issues, and added to the note. I'm now re-sending it. ......................... Friday 28th December 2018 02:00am

Tonight I noticed that I had a message in the sandbox, and discovered that the piece that I had added to the David Bowie article had been deleted.. And that, apparently, I had vandalised the page!! .. This had, (apparently), been deleted by someone saying "Not True. I was there!"

Well, so was I! I can remember sitting in the audience as David mimed. He had a Grundig tape recorder with him onstage, and he was miming to music coming from the recorder. I remember exactly what he was wearing. I went backstage after his performance, because there was a break, after which I was due onstage. Something unusual happened to him that night, but this has already gone beyond what's necessary to convey authenticity in this matter. My memory is clear, and can be attested by any number of people who are still alive.

So what might wikipedia have against the truth? Perhaps it's annoying that people in their 70's, and beyond, are still alive to attest their work and those who shared in it along the way. Or perhaps I'm writing to a bot. Or perhaps I'm writing to someone much younger who is living in a country thousands of miles/kilometres away. Or perhaps it's just a matter of bureaucracy, or form..

Lengthy essay concerning the editor's impressions and opinions about truth and Wikipedia
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I must admit that I don't really have the time to correct all the errors in texts written about myself, but that latterly wikipedia has become more 'organised' in its treatment of articles written about living people. The article on myself has undergone some good changes in the recent past in terms of its shape and language, but wikipedia has to be careful that it is not editing its subject, or things seminal to its subject's process or achievements, out of any given article.

Because I don't really have the time to become a full time editor of anything other than what I write, I have to respect, generally, what is written about the times I've lived through. In my visits to wikipedia, I sometimes browse events I've attended in the past. Generally speaking, the input to wikipedia is somewhere near the mark, but there are times when I find discrepancy between what I think I know to be true, and someone else's opinion on the subject.

Sometimes I see something that 'omits' fact. This is one of those. I don't usually attempt to change these texts, but lately, considering certain injustices that have taken place against me, and against my name, I have taken to wanting to redress the balance a little. Wikipedia is not the only culprit. The whole of English speaking society, if not world society, has changed drastically from democratic exchange and facilitation to a harder and much less communicative model based on draconian movements of previously unimaginable scale which seem to revile the very basis of reason.

No doubt in time the humans will revert to humanity, but they might not. Small considerations like population density might obstruct the path to actual freedoms in such a manner that the animal itself is changed beyond former recognisable mentalities. This is happening in any case, it's just a matter of how quickly more autocratic changes take hold; and how the sheer speed of their arrival shapes future mentality. The manner in which the animal has treated it's own planet might also impinge upon its viability, sooner rather than later.

However, these are chestnuts some of us have been roasting for decades. The points that I'm making are that, a, I don't vandalise wikipedia, and b, I only address what I consider to be either an error or an exclusion or 'oversight'. Admittedly, the latest correction I've made could be classed as an act of vandalisation, but at least it got your attention.

I never mean to be rude, and I'll always be respectful, but at this moment I might as well be talking to the wall. You are not yet a real person. I have not discovered you. We have not yet had an exchange that I would regard as not being part of some automised procedure.

Finally, I will always defend what I believe to be true. I'm very tired of being trodden on at present. There is much to enjoy about my own life, but at the edges it is constantly frayed by lunatic fringes of chattering apes who think that justice entails nailing everyone to their own ideas of what it should mean at its most Orwellian.

I wrote the song dedicated to the Big Brother ethic Orwell had predicted, and we were all too aware of in 1984. It was called Nineteen Forty Eightish. To quote the first four lines, 'The lemmings push their pens and rush, in hordes of crashing stupor, towards the farms of Babylon, to scramble Mother Nature...' etc. This ethic is now manifest throughout ALL social media, including wikipedia. Obviously.

Last night I provided you with a screen shot of a photograph of the poster for that 1968 tour. As you will discern, it is authentic. No one would be able to produce anything like that in 2018 without spending precious time and cash just to send it to wikipedia to be trashed. I WAS part of a tour that was a double bill of Tyrranosaurus Rex and Roy Harper, supported by Stephan Grossman and David Bowie. And one of the venues we played was The Royal Festival Hall.

To deny that, as wikipedia, a body of editors, is frankly stupid and meaningless.

I WILL fight this one. I realise that it's something and nothing, insignificant, and that it doesn't actually matter at all, but I will fight it.... because what I've said IS true. And there's no end of proof. I will hope that we don't have to do this in front of a wider public than already share this missive. And because its public needs to be warned about wikipedia. Warned about a deviant source of editorial, posing as factual, when in fact, a fair percentage of it is probably fake, as they would say in the Trump vernacular.

Until recently, I've been a big fan of wikipedia, but I have to say that I'm not so sure about the validity of all of its policy directives, some of which appear at present to be perched on inaccessible plinths akin to those often epitomised in the public places of repressive regimes.

Wikipedia may not survive any more honest or less convoluted successor, particularly in its biographical content. Wikipedia should neither be a policewoman nor a nanny. Neither judge nor jury. Neither watchdog nor posse comitatus.

It should not insinuate or, however mildly, incriminate. It should not continue to support and protect a smear, however intentional, or not. It has to steer clear of anything that could be construed as bias or messaged in anyway from, or allied to, any state agency. Otherwise it might as well become an arm of the state.

Apologies, sincerely, but I'm tired, very tired, of offering facts that are immediately considered to be untrue, or at best apocryphal, when I know myself that they are exactly right, beyond any reasonable doubt!

Not all of the people featured on the poster I sent last night are dead, including the people who commissioned it, and at least one other who shared the stage on that tour. I.e., there are living witnesses, some of whom may live for another twenty or thirty years.

Norgay53 (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2018 (UTC)roy harper 28/12/18Norgay53 (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@Norgay53: Please read the Wikipedia essay Verifiability, not truth. It addresses the central point of your misunderstanding and the cause of your frustration. To be absolutely candid, it doesn't matter who you claim to be, what you to claim to know or whether "you were there", as this not a magazine article, a fan site or a first-person memoir. This is an encyclopedia, and that being the case, one of our core policies is that everything a reader finds here must be verifiable by the reader (independently of and regardless of the identity of the editor who contributed it). Usually, and always if the contribution is challenged, this is accomplished by including citations of published, reliable sources that support the contribution. In the absence of such verification, the content is removed. Whatever your good intentions, there are others not so bound by (or clear on) the facts and the need for content here to be factual and neutral, and without such policies the encyclopedia would degrade into a collection of falsehoods, half-truths, misinformation and personal opinions unfounded in fact.
If you want to write about your experiences and have them accepted on face value as the truth because of who you are or your personal knowledge (which is not itself verifiable), you will need to find another place to do it. Perhaps the aforementioned memoir would be a good vehicle for sharing your experiences, but we do not publish memoirs here. In fact, we have a very clear policy here against autobiography, but I have already explained that and given you resources to review our policies on your Talk page. If you continue to edit the article Roy Harper or any article directly related to him, and especially if you fail to provide independent, published sources for everything you contribute, you will most likely find yourself blocked from editing under this policy. General Ization Talk 17:11, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Twiggy and titles

I did a sampling of Category:Dames Commander of the Order of the British Empire and found that the use of the title "Dame" as a prefix in these articles is very common. I've restored the title, added a post nominal, and added the category. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@Hammersoft: Thanks, but did you happen to add a citation of a reliable source for the award? It doesn't appear so to me. This is not optional. General Ization Talk 23:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
@Hammersoft: Ah, yes, I see you did. Thanks. General Ization Talk 23:43, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
@Hammersoft: I'm sure, and apologies for seeming to have doubted you. General Ization Talk 17:21, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Oh no worries! I'd rather people keep me on my toes than not. To the article; it's interesting to watch it evolve as people try to figure out how to properly format the article with this additional information. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:23, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Someone posing as me!

Editor's opinions about another editor's post here
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I understand just how stressful that could be. One doesn't imagine that there are warring factions among administrators or editors. This means that the whole structure of wikipedia is in danger of being undermined, or taken over by forces of extreme socio/political or pathological natures. So how do I/we expose this/these character(s)? And do you have an ID for him/her/it/them that will not be seen on/in this post? What recourse is there? I realise that I can be taken down, at least as an editor, for continuously 'vandalising' a page, but wouldn't this eventually attract the attention of superiors to a problem? Or are they involved in wars as well? Or is it more bolshevic than that? Can I be taken out as an editor by a junior administrator? I'd be grateful for a reply.

Thanks, Norgay53 (talk) 20:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)28/12/18-roy harperNorgay53 (talk) 20:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@Norgay53, as you are completely unaware of the specific circumstances I was discussing with another editor here on my Talk page, and they didn't involve you, I'd suggest you stay out of it. The other editor whose misbehavior we were discussing has already been dealt with. General Ization Talk 23:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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